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allodial
11-08-13, 09:24 AM
(You might do best to check this thread first (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1007-George-Washington-s-Vision-amp-Pre-1800s-Freemasonry).)
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The below quote, though not in the below audio is from a volume 3 of a book called Scarlet & the Beast (https://archive.org/details/EbookCollectionPart4) by a John Daniel. As to the truth of John Daniel's book, I make no assertions. However, it might give insight as to the there being strong distinctions between early 1700s Masonic lodges (which seem to have then been social clubs rather than religious orders) in early America and French/English Freemasonry. Lincoln apparently was not a Freemason at all.


There are two reasons why the British Masonic conspiracy plunged America into civil war. First, British bankers wanted to establish a permanent central bank under their total control. Second, British Freemasonry wanted to divide powerful America into two weak nations for easy conquest. Information on the latter half of the plan was first published in “The Present Attempt to Dissolve the American Union: A British Aristocratic Plot (http://books.google.com/books?id=rRDVAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false)” (1862), by Samuel Morse (1791-1872), an American artist and inventor, who was also an American counter-intelligence specialist.

Against this British intrusion into American politics, finance, and industry, General Albert Pike initiated the southern rebellion. In 1859 the Southern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry founded the Knights of the Golden Circle as a front to direct the insurrection.

Had it not been for Abraham Lincoln, English Freemasonry would have succeeded. When Lincoln restored the Union, the British Brotherhood, out of revenge, plotted his assassination. The Knights of the Golden Circle, bankrolled by British Masonic interests, selected John Wilkes Booth, a 33rd degree Mason and member of Mazzini´s Young America, for the task.

The following is part one of two-part audio concerning Abraham Lincoln's lack of involvement in Freemasonry. Each of the two parts is only about ten minutes long and worth listening to IMHO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJGnSPZzE6M

allodial
11-08-13, 09:25 AM
Part II of the same audio.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_3nyLrySDw

walter
01-29-15, 08:44 PM
I am confused with what you are trying to express?
Are you saying Washington was a Masonic member? Or are you saying he wasn't?

Do you believe that William Cavendish, the 4th Duke of Devonshire, England played the role of Washington?
Or are you saying Washington was born and raised in the New World?

Did you know that Washington means "estate of a man named Wassa."

allodial
01-29-15, 10:24 PM
I am confused with what you are trying to express?
Are you saying Washington was a Masonic member? Or are you saying he wasn't?

Do you believe that William Cavendish, the 4th Duke of Devonshire, England played the role of Washington?
Or are you saying Washington was born and raised in the New World?

Did you know that Washington means "estate of a man named Wassa."

Why are you asking me what I believe? Why are you asking me what I'm 'trying to express'? What prevents you from seeing that Freemasonry and Masonry does not exist as a single/unified 'organization' or that the kind of "Freemasons" that came to the Americas in the mid-1800s weren't part of same kind of social/convivial club that existed in the 1500s to 1700s--i.e. architects'/stoneworkers' guilds (perhaps they taught philosophies as to city planning, urban development and the like to go along with it)? How about discussing or considering what is being 'expressed' through the videos links above? Do you have a vested interest in seeing to it that every truth or sound foundation of anything and everything worthwhile be destroyed, overturned, decimated or compromised? Do you like the idea of being a little mouse in the hands of PSYOPs kittens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind)? Do you know that Washitaw is the name of an Indian nation?

P.S. There is a website called wellaware1.com you might like it. Lots of theories..with some, if any, substance--lots of things to get paranoid and wound up about though.

David Merrill
01-29-15, 11:32 PM
I think it more likely that Adam WEISHAUPT would be a replacement for George if that actually happened. I was combing a biography by George's doctor David RAMSEY - The Life of George Washington and only got past the Introduction when I found enough to convince me, but I was already suspicious so I am not risking being a fool until I find better evidence.



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David Merrill
01-29-15, 11:38 PM
Paying attention to the thread topic though; Abraham LINCOLN carried a masonic scepter through his inauguration and then returned it to the Lodge.


Note the word doc, the transcribed letter about "Lincoln's Cane" at the bottom of this post. I call it a scepter because Abe did not like walking sticks and it is too short for a walking stick for Abe anyway.

allodial
01-30-15, 12:00 AM
The cane is an interesting artifact no doubt. But I still suspect we were dealing with more than one type of Masonry or Freemasonry. I suspect that architects and stonebuilders back then also learned about city planning, urban development, landscaping and more especially since they likely were more often than not in the employ of royalty. The anti-Christian, anti-Torah, anti-soul occultist of course then would be inclined to take over the guilds and social clubs were things like nation building were taught and where a Christian or Torah-based or moral basis was mandated as part of creating any societal system. The evidence tends toward Lincoln at least not being aligned with the Grand Orient or Scottish Rite style which Albert Pike seems to have been.

The question worth asking regarding the cane is whose idea was it that he carry it? I recall Lincoln always being compared to Moses among the Masons. Moses had a staff.

Re: Washington, you would think that the socialites in Virginia and his wife and family back at Mt. Vernon, Illinois would know the difference. Also, Washington did not follow in action with the philosophies of Weishaupt. Also, if it were Weishaupt you'd figure he'd have stayed close to Virginia rather than ever go to Mt. Vernon and be found out. Washington's wife and family would have noticed, no? From the record, Martha Washington outlived him. Also they had several children. Why didn't they notice the stunt double?

Re: the canes... it is suggested that the Chicago History Museum has at least six canes formerly owned by Lincoln. Perhaps he was apparently a collector or they were often given as gifts back then and he kept them just out of politeness? As for the 'inauguration staff', even if he needed a cane it was probably not the best impression for a new president to be seen as needing a walking stick to even get to the point where he could be sworn in. Perhaps the 'scepter' was a sign that he had the support of those particular Masons?

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All of the propaganda seems to mainly be designed to destroy people's confidence in anything--to stun and paralyze them psychologically..to neutralize them for the most part. (See 'double bind')

IMHO this (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/venfreem.htm) helps put things in perspective--the roots of the American War for Independence were in a moral conflict arising out of extreme radicalism that was running its way through England (vis-a-vis secret societies that were infiltrating England from across the English Channel) and attempting to impose itself on America. 1700s England at some level was turning its back on its moral underpinnings and this was evident to the Colonists. The plot continued even through Lincoln's time with the goal to subject America to the Anti-Christ anti-image-of-God soulless-man World Oligarchy. The shoe dropped in 1901 with the McKinley assassination. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_William_McKinley) The "Great Panic" and the Federal Reserve Bank weren't far behind.


Sarpi and Venice create the Rosicrucian cult of syncretic religion that becomes Freemasonry. Once that process of takeover is complete, England becomes the bastion of paganism: usury and slavery. In short, real Aristotelians. This hatred of imago Dei is the basis of England's promotion of the New Age.

Neoplatonism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism), man-as-souless-beast + Aristotlean oligarchies, the plot to remove Christianity and the Torah from obstructing the imposition of a World Debt Prison Oligarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy)... (men of lawlessness posing as 'government')


Modern history commences with Nicolaus of Cusa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_of_Cusa) and the Council of Florence, and the Italian Renaissance that Cusa and his collaborators inspired. It was Cusa, with the help of Pius II, who created the basis for a war on the pagan idea of man as a beast, and to defend the concept of man as imago Dei and capax Dei. It was the power of these ideas which caused the greatest increase in human population in the history of man. This idea of the power of hypothesis and its relationship to transforming nature proved conclusively that man was fundamentally different from the beast, and as such could not be used as a slave.

2210 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=8&t=KJV#s=t_conc_486005)

The word Elohim was for some reason translated as 'angels'. That is the same word used for God everywhere else in the Pentateuch.

2209 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=8&t=KJV#s=t_conc_486005)


How The Venetians Took Over England and Created Freemasonry (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/venfreem.htm)
The Venetian Takeover of England: A 200-Year Project (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/takeover.htm)

allodial
01-30-15, 01:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5az29ziw_Ws

BLBereans
01-31-15, 03:58 AM
This is absolutely fascinating stuff.

It really makes pieces of the puzzle fit together in a way not usually presented regarding the whole obsession with freemasons and illuminati.

Doesn't it always come back to the same thing; the undermining of the belief that man is created in the image of God, that we are His created children and no higher creature or creation exists on earth. You have presented a cohesive study which explains much regarding why this "man is beast" notion is critical to those who wish to keep the people on earth in perpetual debt. If man is "soul-less" he can be justifiably enslaved by those who claim to be of a higher intellect, a "superior race" or to have "secret knowledge".

Destroying God and disparaging Jesus the Christ our Lord and Savior, is essential to every aspiring tyrannical movement or regime. Whether it is an overt Dictatorship or a covert infiltration of a nation's government through spreading lies and false propaganda; the pagan agenda is ever present.

"Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste..."

The "nature of the game" is still confusing to most.

Thank you allodial.

allodial
01-31-15, 04:34 AM
You get the point. They are fully aware of Mankind's abilities and power of the power of the soul which is why they might be so hell-bent (perhaps literally) on controlling and imprisoning mankind. Perhaps they covet the control over Mankind while denying the real agenda because (to reveal the importance of the soul to them would reveal too much--especially them having lost theirs from having disconnected from Life through dark ritual). Key word: "pokerface". Also, consider that they have done things that have darkened their minds and to keep comfortable excuses for themselves they have a need to maintain the idea of soul-lessness for themselves (i.e. as an excuse for their own lawlessness--the stuff of secular humanism). Or perhaps they are describing their own state or existence and errantly projecting it on others?

What if the plot to establish a World Debt Oligarchy is really about keeping Mankind in a circle of oppression and fixation on the material world--carnally minded--so that that they might become moreso subject to manipulation by materialists (i.e. carnal mind). If you really think about it, they tacitly admit they know that men have souls otherwise they wouldn't have to go through so much trouble. Is it necessary that for a man that has a dog to perform constant trickery and medicate the dog every day to see to it that the dog remains a dog? No. Then why do they do what they do to Mankind unless they know exactly what they are doing?

BLBereans
01-31-15, 04:43 AM
I agree, regarding the hiding of the real agenda - the soul.

Also, I too believe that passage regarding Peter has been misinterpreted for some time now - Peter is NOT the "rock".

Thanks again.

allodial
01-31-15, 06:50 AM
The book referred to here is also quite insightful as to more recent and modern times -> Why Things Are the Way They are (Erica Carle) (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1195-Why-Things-Are-the-Way-They-are-(Erica-Carle)). This too -> Give Us the Young / The Hate Factory (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1194-Give-Us-the-Young-The-Hate-Factory). Those books help obviate the anti-soul, anti-imago Dei lurking behind modern public "education" and "secular humanism".

The Leipzig Connection - Systematic Destruction of American Education (http://ia601606.us.archive.org/4/items/TheLeipzigConnection/TheLeipzigConnection-pauloLionni.pdf)"] (<- direct link to PDF) (<- illustrates the link between the radical occult doctrines and the plots to undermine American education (anti-soul/changing the meaning of education) and books referred to at the following link also provide more insight -> Decrypting Education in America (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?978-Decrypting-Education-in-America).

Interestingly enough, the word psychology is rooted in the word psyche which means 'soul' but yet they still outwardly deny the existence of the soul.

george
01-31-15, 08:05 AM
I find the whole thing suspicious including the bible itself which to me is most suspicious of all.




Interestingly enough, the word psychology is rooted in the word psyche which means 'soul' but yet they still outwardly deny the existence of the soul.

I think psyche means mind.

when you get right down to it though, its ALL hearsay!

allodial
01-31-15, 09:13 AM
I think psyche means mind.

Psyche (Strong's 5590) (http://biblehub.com/greek/5590.htm)
Psyke (Goddess of the Soul) (http://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Psykhe.html)

2213 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psyche)


I find the whole thing suspicious including the bible itself which to me is most suspicious of all. ...
when you get right down to it though, its ALL hearsay!

Consider how many people kill or act on 2nd hand information on a daily basis. The question is: what is worth hearing, believing or acting on out of all the options available?

george
01-31-15, 10:29 AM
Psyche (Strong's 5590) (http://biblehub.com/greek/5590.htm)
Psyke (Goddess of the Soul) (http://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Psykhe.html)

2213 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psyche)

but I think it means mind, I think ALL is mind though ;-)




Consider how many people kill or act on 2nd hand information on a daily basis.

it really is like zombies or something..



The question is: what is worth hearing, believing or acting on out of all the options available?


most is worthy of consideration and Ive probably mentioned it here before but to believe in anything requires a lack of knowledge.

what is worth acting on? thats a tough question, cant say any of the options available are worthy, depends on circumstance mostly I guess.

I'd say trust instinct, seek within, & know thyself. I continue to work on these but still consider the other "options". its a judgement call but that could be at least part of the problem but then ignorance is also. balance seems to be a key.

BLBereans
01-31-15, 02:08 PM
It's the difference between believing in "Creator and created" or "All is one".

Besides the "killing the soul" doctrine, there is also the "I am God, God is All" doctrine which is just as damaging and evil.

Without the existence of a distinct and all-powerful Creator, morality becomes just one's opinion. This is why the principles and morals of the Bible are always attacked along with its Inspirational Source. The fact remains that the fundamental laws of every civilized society have a core basis in biblical teachings. So while some disparage the Source in one breath they follow His Law in the next.

Do not Steal, do not murder, do not give false testimony, etc. all become moral opinions rather than moral absolutes without an ever-existing Creator who provides the moral clarity from the highest point of existence. If "I am God" than there is no Author of Commandments who is higher than me. Therefore, I make my own morality as I see fit because once I have ignited my "divine spark", I have arrived at equality with ALL that is divine, and then, moral absolutes from a higher source disappear.

BLBereans
02-01-15, 03:42 PM
What other belief system could be the foundation for attempting to create a nation whose governance is based first and foremost upon the inherent, and Divinely ordained, freedom of all people? Some people like to respond in the negative by opining, "What, so only Christians are truly godly people?" That, of course is a loaded question. If we look to the modern day version of so-called "Christianity", we find watered-down, lukewarm, feel-good, politically-correct and sometimes heretical doctrines infiltrating the modern "Church", for the most part.

However, we are discussing the founding fathers' and Lincoln's belief-sets and how they were opposed to the occult and "New Age" doctrines promoted by the "seed of the Nachash (Serpent)". {No, I do not believe the "Serpent" was a snake, nor do I believe that Cain was the result of sex with someone other than Adam.}

However good intentioned and true-believing the founding fathers were, the reliance upon man to create and maintain a nation or government in full obedience to God's Will is impossible while we exist in this fallen state. We must understand that until the Kingdom of Heaven becomes FULLY manifest (it is here now in part as evidenced by Jesus the Christ's victory over the world, yet NOT fully realized) we are subject to our sinful nature and that of others. This is in no way a "doom and gloom" outlook; it is just an acknowledgement that we require the saving grace of our Creator by and through our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ and I believe that Lincoln and the founding fathers, for the most part, understood that. However, as believers, we continue to strive toward following in Jesus' footsteps - true believers desire to act daily upon their faith.

Those who oppose that belief are of the Serpent seed; those who choose to rebel against the Creator and live in darkness while trying to take as many with them as possible. The subtleties of the lies which oppose Christ are as cunning as ever. Soullessness and/or paganistic "oneism" are the doctrines of choice for those who follow the adversary.

Without a strong faith, reliance and trust in The Father and our Lord and Savior, we may get "bluffed" by the original "poker-faced" Liar and his loyal minions. Always be on guard, for the adversary is lurking about even perhaps in places where you may feel safe.

Michael Joseph
02-01-15, 05:30 PM
Without a strong faith, reliance and trust in The Father and our Lord and Savior, we may get "bluffed" by the original "poker-faced" Liar and his loyal minions. Always be on guard, for the adversary is lurking about even perhaps in places where you may feel safe.

BLBereans, thank you for this testimony of Jesus Christ - hold to it [Rev 12:17]. It is so very true and I need not prove any of that except to look to what the enemy is showing me in their symbolism. Over and over and over we see the Hegelian Dialectic - we see the twin pillars. Red and Blue / Black and White / Positive and Negative. So today we see Hegel's last stand playing out right before our eyes and yet few can read the signs.

We see IXXI every where which is really just 9/11. And knowing that Jesus' real birthday was in September 3BC it may be the case that he was born on 9/11 but I cannot prove it. We see the OX in the twin towers - the two pillars coming down. We see the Cube being cast to the earth at the so called Georgia guide stones. It is everywhere. This is preparation for the one-king to rule them all - a false light.

Babylon is INTENTIONALLY being cast down - her ancient symbols are being exposed and she is being destroyed - or seemingly destroyed. Yet this is just an illusion. I keep it right in my mind like this: Satan vs. Lucifer. This is a war being fought within the same camp. Have we not studied history? Can't we see that king George hired German troops to prosecute the so called Revolutionary War - and the same king gave a loan thru his bank to France. King Louis gave loan to the businessmen in the Colonies. King George funded both sides of the war! So who is the winner? King George! There literally is nothing new under the sun. We see this over and over again in the movies, the commercials etc. Satan is the political beast [the war machine] or the infinite loop - Saturn - the cube and the eye - some call this the matrix of hell in which we are all trapped - ESPECIALLY the fallen ones [see Enoch 6]. There is always a savior provided for the people to "get behind and support". And this savior and his agents lead the world to victory over the Chaos - the locust from the pit [Joel 2; Rev 9]

The fallen ones are desperately trying to push down those twin pillars [OX], which is a way of saying they are trying to stop time - or crack the matrix of the space / time continuum. Thus you see quite a bit of commercials with the woman stirring her Tea [Alice - tea party] whilst IN THE BOX. The "T" is the Tau or the Ancient X - a mark. Look around you will see it everywhere. The "B" in Box is actually a 13 and we are back to the OX = 66. O = 15th letter ==> 1 + 5 = 6; and X = 24th letter ==> 2+ 4 = 6. Thus we see names like X-BOX.

Take a hard look at Saturn and you may find the TWO storms upon her surface. One is Hexagonal and you can always derive the CUBE from within the Hexagram - the Cube is a Cross folded up. Just unfold the Cube. The Eye is on the other side of Saturn. And so we see the OX in Saturn or Satan. But what does that tell us? It tells us about a coming deception that is already underway in full force and has been since Cain. But today the tools of media, technological advances such as "smart phones" and other devices make it much easier for this generation to love itself. This is a setup.

With the downfall of the Anti-Christ system which is represented by Bat-man one who has no powers in and of himself but is merely full of gadgets. But notice that Bat-man is the hero who fights the locusts or the beasts from the pit. Chaos is being unleashed upon the world such that the world will be ready to follow one of TWO leaders who will emerge. Who can't see the conditioning all their lives? It is everywhere.

On one hand there will be Severity [one pillar] and Chaos; and on the other hand there will emerge a leader who will fight against all of this chaos Bat-man - expose the lies [supposedly] - notice how he knows almost without thinking - HE IS AN INSIDER. He is part of the deception. He is part of the negative pillar. Now when the world is FED UP with fighting, the world will be "flattered" into Spiritualism and it is then that the true object of worship shall be revealed. The other Pillar [mercy and love]. Except there is one problem - this is Lucifer - the False Light. A created being - MASQUERADING as an angel of light. Reference the books [the] Life of Adam and Eve and [the] Pauline Letters.

This is why we see over and over in Scripture- there is nothing new under the Sun. An infinity loop in deception if you like or a matrix which cannot be escaped EXCEPT in Christ. Now back to this Lucifer. He is portrayed as Superman. He has power in and of himself. But he is a created being. Back to that age old problem. Ever see the movie? His dad says "He will be a god to the earthlings" - or something like that. How can love be a lie? Self love = the sun going black; only seeks carnal pleasure; true love in the True Christ is humble, giving and considers others. There is no room for "do as thy will is the whole of the law" business of self love. So we see enmity between these two camps.

When you begin to see the immensity of the curse we are under you will begin to see Christ on the Cross and how Christ became the curse for us. This is Moses lifting up the serpent on the Cross in the wilderness. Jesus Christ took on the totality of this Curse and found a way out thru a Paradox. He dies to self and submitted himself to death - He uttered not a word before his accusers. He trusted in God [Father El Elyon]. This is the love of our Father for His sheep. Therefore there is only one Gate to life and that is in Jesus Christ. So we begin to see now the 69 or the Sun and Moon interposed to create that infinity loop and we see that ancient myth of the titans [the fallen ones] trapped. Have you seen the movie the Immortals? Did you notice that one man freed them all? This is by design.

What will it be like just prior to the return of Jesus Christ? Just like the days of Noah. The Titans will again be released from the Pit. How? Consider Alice was curious and she was ENTICED to go herself into the ring / gate. Look around you and notice all the women in Red dresses. This is not a coincidence. Summerian legend - the woman is Lucifer giving humans the deception. There is a great hatred for Christ. Who can deny it?

And who can deny that knowledge of the occult is being broadcasted unmercifully upon an unsuspecting world. This is an initiation of sorts a preparation - a fallowing of the ground - so that the seeds of evil can be planted. Thou shall not commit murder. Understand now on a Spiritual Plane? What is the judgment against those who would do these things? Death.

So what do they seek to do? Crack the BOX. And place JACK in his own House. A Jack in the BOX. Oh its been here for a long time now. In the first Age Lucifer was in charge and in this age he is still "god of this world". Adam defaulted. Thus the infinity loop. Nothing new under the sun.

Be ever vigilant you are so right. Even in your church, even in your own family, one finds deception. We are all deceived to some degree we must rely on Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. For there comes a time when there will be no arguing no refusal for cause no power in our own accord to do anything save have full faith and reliance upon the Holy Spirit, trusting in Jesus Christ. That day is today for those who can accept it. Yet there comes a time in the last 15 minutes of the proverbial day.

Here is the big lie - Lucifer is coming as an actor - playing the role of Jesus Christ. Whereof is the remedy for the natural man? There is none left. There is only Trust. I have placed my life in trust with Jesus Christ. I am dead to the world. This is what John 3:16 is actually saying. Not just to think there is a Son who is God with us. But to actually put my will, my faith, and everything that I am and will ever be in Trust with Jesus Christ. I declare it so - even this day - upon a candid world. So it is.

There then is only left one proper response and it is FAR from "do as thy will". It is:

Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, "Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do."


I take no shade from any other Tree. Save the Tree of Life. Nevertheless, I shall wait upon the Lord to finish the work.


Psa 37:7 Stand still in the LORD, and wait patiently for Him: Heat not thyself with vexation because of him who prospereth in his way, Because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

Psa 37:20 But the lawless shall perish, And the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Psa 37:34 Wait on the LORD, and keep His way, And he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: When the lawless die, thou shalt see it.


There is a big difference between the duped and those who pre-meditate murder. The key is in the Sons of Cain - and their Father - the Lawless One.


Shalom,
Michael Joseph

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FALSE PEACE

Has anyone noticed that Gate Keepers have been lifted up and firmly seated already in the minds of the observer. It is not hard to pick them. In fact I can name two right now but I will not name names. One strikes fear and anger in you as if you are in prison and the other preaches unity and love. See if you can spot em.

Just spin the handle ALICE - and out pops Jack. Surprise. Has everything been turned upside down for you? That too is a key. An inversion - a "V". Now do you understand the so called "peace sign"? Pretty sick huh?

Michael Joseph
02-01-15, 05:42 PM
Now having said the foregoing, history plays out to tell us a story. I wonder how many can see the loop playing over and over again. It matters not, at least in my mind, what affiliations any leader had or has. Why do we place our trust in other men and hold them up to be somewhat greater than ourselves? Is the toe greater than the brain? Stub it and find out. Seems the brain goes into all stop mode in effort to protect the toe.

Nevertheless men need their heroes - and as such, those who would manipulate us with magick provide our heroes to us. So that we can lazily sit back in our arm chairs and support or rail accusations upon our [selves]? No wait, did I just write ourselves? Rofl.

The curse returns to us which is to say a CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST forms as we curse that which we helped to maintain.

Starting to see now?

Regards,
Michael Joseph

Michael Joseph
02-02-15, 12:46 PM
BLBereans, thank you for this testimony of Jesus Christ - hold to it [Rev 12:17]. It is so very true and I need not prove any of that except to look to what the enemy is showing me in their symbolism. Over and over and over we see the Hegelian Dialectic - we see the twin pillars. Red and Blue / Black and White / Positive and Negative. So today we see Hegel's last stand playing out right before our eyes and yet few can read the signs.


NWO = Thesis
Anti-Christ = Anti-Thesis
Lucifer Worship = Synthesis

Of course these things need energy and it is ALICE who keeps peeking down that Gate in her curiosity. For instance: while I am not 100% positive because I did not watch the 1/2-time show last night [Superbowl] but if it was anything like previous years it was a worthless ritual to Satan.

I spoke to a so called "white witch" a few days back - whatever that is I have no clue - magick is magick; and, he said something curious about energy and the palm of the hand. He indicated that the palm was the energy center a "gate" as it were. I asked was that concerning the Vav or the Nail placed in the hand of Christ - he immediately fell silent. Just a thought. But what do you see all the time except that the crowd has both hands in the air making a triangle - palms forward to the entertainer [Bob Dylan: The Jokers and the Clowns].

Shalom,
Michael Joseph

george
02-03-15, 09:34 AM
MJ, how do you know jesus birth day? and what makes you so sure that there is nothing new under the sun?

Kurt Kallenbach's latest talks might help you somehow. good or bad I couldnt say but Im nearly certain you would have a reaction. even as a former believer, I was stunned but its worth looking into IMO

but what Do i know?

Michael Joseph
02-03-15, 01:21 PM
MJ, how do you know jesus birth day? and what makes you so sure that there is nothing new under the sun?

Kurt Kallenbach's latest talks might help you somehow. good or bad I couldnt say but Im nearly certain you would have a reaction. even as a former believer, I was stunned but its worth looking into IMO

but what Do i know?

Because Luke/Matthew and the Stars tell me His birthday- not to mention the Pyramid also records His birthday in the Christ triangle.

I study His-Story it repeats.

Also, in humility, the more I learn the more I realize how much I don't know. Layers as it were.

I find it interesting that those who would deny The Christ spend so much time on doing such. Not a statement concerning you george, but in general - to quote Shakespeare [I mean Bacon] - concerning the Christ "methinks thou dost protest too much".

Good luck to you and yours. And thank you for the recommendation I will look into it.


Shalom,
Michael Joseph

P.S. Spiritually speaking, I find that The WORD has been put on trial, beaten, stripped [redefined] and eventually killed IN THE MINDS OF MAN.

I do not worship in the flesh. Which means I do not seek to define and confine the Limitless. Thus letters in a Book are great as they express Love - but I seek a "face to face" relationship which is personal to me. Therefore, I can only share my experience. I am not seeking approval from other men - I am not homosexual in the Spirit - men working with other men to define and confine Christ. It is unseemly. It is the problem.

I hope you can understand what I just wrote without letting your emotions flood you with fleshly outworkings. I speak NOT to the flesh. But I can understand the Spiritual lessons being couched in the flesh.

What do my eyes tell me? Or rather what do certain men tell me in their attempt to promote a curse upon me and others? Duality. These men stand between the two pillars. IXXI. Move those x's close together between the two pillars and you will see. Just add a G. 9/11 - an opening of a Gate - an inversion of the tearing of the veil. Who can see what is all around us?

They seek a Photo Finish - the freezing of time. Duality is enmity against God. The Christ said "I and my Father are ONE". Will you ask me for proof?

=======

This World is not Conclusion.
A Species stands beyond—
Invisible, as Music—
But positive, as Sound—

....

Faith slips—and laughs, and rallies—
Blushes, if any see—
Plucks at a twig of Evidence—
And asks a Vane, the way—

Emily Dickenson : This World is not Conclusion

Chex
02-03-15, 03:55 PM
The Rothschilds’ had engineered (http://smoloko.com/?p=3789)the war to make the Union fail, and were not about to save it now (https://addictivity.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/rothschild-conspiracy-iv/), so they instructed their American banks to offer loans at 24% to 36% interest.

1861: President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 until his assassination in 1865) approaches the big banks in New York to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war. As these large banks were heavily under the influence of the Rothschilds, they offer him a deal they know he cannot accept, 24% to 36% interest on all monies loaned.

Lincoln is very angry about this high level of interest and so he prints his own debt free money and informs the public that this is now legal tender for both public and private debts.

That same year The Times of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times)publishes a story containing the following statement,

“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce."

1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free money has been printed and distributed. He states of this, “We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”

Michael Joseph
02-03-15, 05:45 PM
I do not worship in the flesh. Which means I do not seek to define and confine the Limitless. Thus letters in a Book are great as they express Love - but I seek a "face to face" relationship which is personal to me.


Quoting from the writings of E. Swedenborg (1688-1772) as follows:

Gen 2:16 And Yehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden, eating thou mayest eat.

To "eat of every tree," is to know from perception what is good and true; for, as before observed, a "tree" signifies perception. The men of the Most Ancient Church had the knowledges of true faith by means of revelations, for they conversed with the Lord and with angels, and were also instructed by visions and dreams, which were most delightful and paradisal to them. They had from the Lord continual perception, so that when they reflected on what was treasured up in the memory they instantly perceived whether it was true and good, insomuch that when anything false presented itself, they not only avoided it but even regarded it with horror: such also is the state of the angels. In place of this perception of the Most Ancient Church, however, there afterwards succeeded the knowledge (cognitio) of what is true and good from what had been previously revealed, and afterwards from what was revealed in the Word.

Gen 2:16 But of the tree of the knowledge (scientia) of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, dying thou shalt die.

These words, taken together with those just explained, signify that it is allowable to become acquainted with what is true and good by means of every perception derived from the Lord, but not from self and the world; that is, we are not to inquire into the mysteries of faith by means of the things of sense and of the memory (per sensualia et scientifica), for in this case the celestial of faith is destroyed.

Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him in the garden of Eden, to till it and take care of it.

By the "garden of Eden" are signified all things of the celestial man, as described; by to "till it and take care of it," is signified that it is permitted him to enjoy all these things, but not to possess them as his own, because they are the Lord’s.

The celestial man acknowledges, because he perceives, that all things both in general and in particular are the Lord‘s. The spiritual man does indeed acknowledge the same, but with the mouth, because he has learned it from the Word. The worldly and corporeal man neither acknowledges nor admits it; but whatever he has he calls his own, and imagines that were be to lose it, he would altogether perish.

That wisdom, intelligence, reason, and knowledge (scientia), are not of man, but of the Lord, is very evident from all that the Lord taught; as in Matthew, where the Lord compares Himself to a householder, who planted a vineyard, and hedged it round, and let it out to husbandmen (Matthew 21:33); and in John:--

The Spirit of truth shall guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself, but what things soever He shall hear, He shall speak; He shall glorify Me, for He shall receive of Mine, and shall declare it unto you (John 16:13, 14).

And in another place:--

A man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven (John 3:27).

A desire to investigate the mysteries of faith by means of the things of sense and of the memory, was not only the cause of the fall of the posterity of the Most Ancient Church, but it is also the cause of the fall of every church; for hence come not only falsities, but also evils of life.

The worldly and corporeal man says in his heart, If I am not instructed concerning the faith, and everything relating to it, by means of the things of sense, so that I may see, or by means of those of the memory (scientifica), so that I may understand, I will not believe; and he confirms himself in this by the consideration that natural things cannot he contrary to spiritual. Thus he is desirous of being instructed from things of sense in what is celestial and Divine, which is as impossible as it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle; for the more he desires to grow wise by such means, the more he blinds himself, till at length he believes nothing, not even that there is anything spiritual, or that there is eternal life. This comes from the principle which he assumes. And this is to "eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil," of which the more any one eats, the more dead he becomes. But he who would be wise from the Lord, and not from the world, says in his heart that the Lord must be believed, that is, the things which the Lord has spoken in the Word, because they are truths; and according to this principle he regulates his thoughts. He confirms himself by things of reason, of knowledge, of the senses, and of nature (per rationalia, scientifica, sensualia et naturalia), and those which are not confirmatory he casts aside.

Every one may know that man is governed by the principles he assumes, be they ever so false, and that all his knowledge and reasoning favor his principles; for innumerable considerations tending to support them present themselves to his mind, and thus he is confirmed in what is false. He therefore who assumes as a principle that nothing is to be believed until it is seen and understood, can never believe, because spiritual and celestial things cannot be seen with the eyes, or conceived by the imagination. But the true order is for man to be wise from the Lord, that is, from His Word, and then all things follow, and he is enlightened even in matters of reason and of memory-knowledge (in rationalibus et scientificis). For it is by no means forbidden to learn the sciences, since they are useful to his life and delightful; nor is he who is in faith prohibited from thinking and speaking as do the learned of the world; but it must be from this principle-to believe the Word of the Lord, and, so far as possible, confirm spiritual and celestial truths by natural truths, in terms familiar to the learned world. Thus his starting-point must be the Lord, and not himself; for the former is life, but the latter is death.

He who desires to be wise from the world, has for his "garden" the things of sense and of memory-knowledge (sensualia et scientifica); the love of self and the love of the world are his "Eden; his " east" is the west, or himself; his "river Euphrates" is all his memory-knowledge (scientificum), which is condemned; his "second river," where is "Assyria," is infatuated reasoning productive of falsities; his "third river," where is "Ethiopia," is the principles of evil and falsity thence derived, which are the knowledges of his faith; his "fourth river" is the wisdom thence derived, which in the Word is called "magic." And therefore "Egypt"-which signifies memory-knowledge (scientia)--after the knowledge became magical, signifies such a man, because, as may be seen from the Word, he desires to be wise from self. Of such it is written in Ezekiel:--

Thus hath said the Lord Yehovah, Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great whale that lieth in the midst of his rivers, who hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made myself. And the land of Egypt shall be for a solitude, and a waste, and they shall know that I am Yehovah, because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made (Ezekiel 29:3, 9).

Such men are also called "trees of Eden in hell," in the same Prophet, where also Pharaoh, or the Egyptian, is treated of in these words:--

When I shall have made him descend into hell with them that descend into the pit; to whom art thou thus made like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be made to descend with the trees of Eden into the lower earth, in the midst of the uncircumcised, with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his crew (Ezekiel 31:16, 18),

where the "trees of Eden" denote knowledges (scientifica et cognitiones) from the Word, which they thus profane by reasonings.

End of quoting from the writings of E. Swedenborg (1688-1772) (emphasis added by MJ)


Shalom,
Michael Joseph


Pro 1:7 The reverence of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:

george
02-03-15, 07:37 PM
the stars? that is interesting.. from what others have said. the virgo will be pregnant again soon for nine months with Jupiter.

its hard to deny something that is invisible (or accept) is the gift of eternal life an offer we cant refuse? is this eternal life offer only on paper?

thats some of the stuff Kurt has suggested..

I do not understand what you wrote but I think that is not due to emotional reasons, I just find the subject highly suspicious as I have mentioned before. basically I no longer accept or deny and continue to investigate.

there are other men much wiser than me, you may be one of those, I dont know, you may be a wolf also. and that goes for everyone here. no offense intended, just the way I see it. I think ALL men have something worth listening to so I try to withhold judgment for as long as possible.

sometimes I find your writings here inspiring and other times I wonder could they be completely opposite of what is true. but I still read.

thanks for sharing.

JohnnyCash
02-03-15, 08:30 PM
That same year The Times of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times)publishes a story containing the following statement,

“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce."
Chex, a lack of proper attribution, and a digital search, reveal that quote never appeared in The Times of London.
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2012/09/did-london-banksters-really-threaten.html

Michael Joseph
02-03-15, 09:22 PM
I have wondered too if Abraham LINCOLN was into the church of freemasonry, but then again he might have been a modern day Christian - which is far from The Way as explained in the Scriptures. Either way does it matter?

I thought to explain why I went in the direction I have in this thread. It seems we have been given heroes to worship to revere and hold up as "mighty men of renown." The Super Friends - fighting for justice - as it were. But then again, he may just be a man who did great things. Either way - who cares.

When I used to buy and sell real estate - I learned from the "gurus" to make at least four offers on every potential deal. Most folks don't get any offer so when they get four they assume they have to choose one. And most times they do! Thus is the hero worship of this day. Where do the candidates come from - they simply seem to appear and we THINK we must choose from the available choices. But do we?

What if the two choices [Red and Blue] are both bad? I just found this today when searching on the Twin Pillars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRma7bIZro


At one point in my life I was so curious about Masonry I thought to knock their door. Then I realized that I was playing the part of ALICE in my curiosity I was placing my trust in men. Why do men do these things when all they have to do is ask our Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ and wisdom shall be freely given. Yet men bow their knees to their own vain understandings - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Some bear fruit and others don't. A long time of reflection bears record to this truth.

Shalom,
Michael Joseph

BLBereans
02-03-15, 10:16 PM
One either believes in a Supreme and Sovereign Creator or not - there are only two faiths that exist.

God did not create ROBOTS; He will serve you over to your passion (fruit) of choice.

If you desire to do it YOUR WAY, He will oblige you; yet He is compassionate to the point of explaining what an existence without Him is like so you can make an informed decision.

Nothing anyone chooses will disrupt His ULTIMATE Plan; He will intervene only to preserve His ULTIMATE Will.

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

allodial
02-05-15, 06:49 AM
Interestingly enough there were recently several movies about stopping creatures from coming out of pits..or something like that.

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(Edge of Tomorrow)

george
02-05-15, 07:31 AM
One either believes in a Supreme and Sovereign Creator or not not to say "youre wrong" but I should point out that others believe nothing and consider a broader perspective than either/or.

is it possible there is more than one?

allodial
02-05-15, 09:55 AM
not to say "youre wrong" but I should point out that others believe nothing and consider a broader perspective than either/or.

is it possible there is more than one?


When I used to buy and sell real estate - I learned from the "gurus" to make at least four offers on every potential deal. Most folks don't get any offer so when they get four they assume they have to choose one. And most times they do! Thus is the hero worship of this day. Where do the candidates come from - they simply seem to appear and we THINK we must choose from the available choices. But do we?

The toughest thing for some might beto disengage emotionally or to disengage from 'polarizations'. After maybe 25 years of indoctrination and emotional affinities developing in any given society--mainly the idea that "this is your battle" or "you're on this side" (again 'default' choices and the presumption that you have to make a choice from the box of chocolates they hand), it might be a challenge to realize hey I really don't have to like or dislike you or you or you (consider someone pointing at his family, the enemies across the street, his society, everyone he knows). I figure that is what escapes most and what the Manipulators might fear the most, is you or I or anyone else making the choice other than to fear them other than to run from, other than to choice from the alleged "must choose-froms" but to simply vote them out of your life by ignoring their existence and arriving at a vision of them simply being non-existent or insignificant ("Satan was and is not.). [Note: the Manipulators seem to primarily engage in one form of Jui Jitsu or another (using the power you expend against them against you). Love your enemies, etc., perhaps ends/prevents any controversy)]

All the books, propaganda ever aiming to keep one group or another in the minds of "the masses" (there is a term 'mindshare') might just be a way of drawing power from an unsuspecting audience. It took me two years to get someone to STOP reading about secret societies, Planet X , etc, etc. Ever notice some people can go on and on for ten years about one end of the world conspiracy have it fail and them two days after the fail date, they are in another "End of the World Club"? Its one thing to study for edification, enrichment or to edify or enrich others. Its another to be inundated and emotionally and mentally addicted and locked into paranoia.

I knew of a witch who is secretly a witch and works at a place where she deals with hundreds if not thousands of people a week. She hated me, because she could neither control nor manipulate me--among other reasons I wouldn't take one of her 'sides' that she created whether it was among one clique or another or another. Regardless of what she may have ever said to anyone, she hated me because it was an insult to her ego for her snares to fail when it came to me. She became obsessed with me to the extent that she ultimately revealed to me that a terrible, vile, murderous psychopathology operating behind that pretty face. She became obsessed with possessing, owning or controlling me--as has been her obsession with anyone and everyone else. What she didn't realize is that I was being taught something through my interactions with her, seeing her methods and ways as a macroscopic reverberation of what one might see on the "international level" (on a smaller scale her, on a larger scale groups of witches, etc. acting in a cooperative manner).

Disengaging: the idea of having it in your mind that God is bigger than the obstacle and the obstacle is gone (spiritual vision, by faith not by physical sight) --the obstacle could be said to 'flee' from you. Fight it, exalt it, you might give it power.

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Related: Moses Was Not A Magician (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1057-Moses-Was-Not-A-Magician)

george
02-05-15, 10:38 AM
The toughest thing for some might beto disengage emotionally or to disengage from 'polarizations'. After maybe 25 years of indoctrination and emotional affinities developing in any given society--mainly the idea that "this is your battle" or "you're on this side" (again 'default' choices and the presumption that you have to make a choice from the box of chocolates they hand), it might be a challenge to realize hey I really don't have to like or dislike you or you or you (consider someone pointing at his family, the enemies across the street, his society, everyone he knows). I figure that is what escapes most and what the Manipulators might fear the most, is you or I or anyone else making the choice other than to fear them other than to run from, other than to choice from the alleged "must choose-froms" but to simply vote them out of your life by ignoring their existence and arriving at a vision of them simply being non-existent or insignificant ("Satan was and is not.). [Note: the Manipulators seem to primarily engage in one form of Jui Jitsu or another (using the power you expend against them against you). Love your enemies, etc., perhaps ends/prevents any controversy)]

All the books, propaganda ever aiming to keep one group or another in the minds of "the masses" (there is a term 'mindshare') might just be a way of drawing power from an unsuspecting audience. It took me two years to get someone to STOP reading about secret societies, Planet X , etc, etc. Ever notice some people can go on and on for ten years about one end of the world conspiracy have it fail and them two days after the fail date, they are in another "End of the World Club"? Its one thing to study for edification, enrichment or to edify or enrich others. Its another to be inundated and emotionally and mentally addicted and locked into paranoia.

I knew of a witch who is secretly a witch and works at a place where she deals with hundreds if not thousands of people a week. She hated me, because she could neither control nor manipulate me--among other reasons I wouldn't take one of her 'sides' that she created whether it was among one clique or another or another. Regardless of what she may have ever said to anyone, she hated me because it was an insult to her ego for her snares to fail when it came to me. She became obsessed with me revealing a terrible psychopathology operating behind that pretty face. She became obsessed with possessing, owning or controlling me. What she didn't realize is that I was being taught something through my interactions with her, seeing her methods and ways as a macroscopic reverberation of what one might see on the "international level" (on a smaller scale her, on a larger scale groups of witches, etc. acting in a cooperative manner).

Disengaging: the idea of having it in your mind that God is bigger than the obstacle and the obstacle is gone (spiritual vision, by faith not by physical sight) --the obstacle could be said to 'flee' from you. Fight it, exalt it, you might give it power.

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very well said/wrote allodial. I know this struggle if I know nothing else. I wish to forget it but not enough I guess.


this part really stands out.


the idea of having it in your mind that God

like a glint!

pumpkin
02-06-15, 06:18 PM
I have read and watched many videos about freemasons. I am not obsessed about it or anything, but I know that it is at least an important issue concerning America and the entire wolrd. I find it interesting that many founders of the country were freemasons. And to see where we are now in this country makes me wonder if much of it was not planned from the very biginning. I have always wondered what big secret could the masons know. They are from an ancient guild of stone workers for crying out loud. Then I found the Testament of Solomon. http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/testamen.htm This with some quotes from Albert Pike (high level freemason), talking about Lucifer, makes me think maybe they know that they can employ the use of the fallen ones to help one another do their bidding. IMO, worldly things are also, always spiritual things.
As far as thier being a Creator or not, I have lived long enough to at least learn that accidents do not cause order. Quite the contrary is true.

Michael Joseph
02-06-15, 06:44 PM
I have read and watched many videos about freemasons. I am not obsessed about it or anything, but I know that it is at least an important issue concerning America and the entire wolrd. I find it interesting that many founders of the country were freemasons. And to see where we are now in this country makes me wonder if much of it was not planned from the very biginning. I have always wondered what big secret could the masons know. They are from an ancient guild of stone workers for crying out loud. Then I found the Testament of Solomon. http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/testamen.htm This with some quotes from Albert Pike (high level freemason), talking about Lucifer, makes me think maybe they know that they can employ the use of the fallen ones to help one another do their bidding. IMO, worldly things are also, always spiritual things.
As far as thier being a Creator or not, I have lived long enough to at least learn that accidents do not cause order. Quite the contrary is true.

Hegelian dialectics offer up two false choices creating chaos so that the people can be offered the solution [synthesis] in which they will crave. Down come the two towers at IXXI [9/11] and in came the Patriot Act to satisfy the fears of the helpless sheep - who begged for security. So they got a fence.

So when I am asked if I am republican or democrat my response is neither. Of course that confuses many and in their zeal they respond "don't you vote?" to which I respond "I don't give a rats ass about his house of lies. So when they play the instruments of worship and all stand in worship of their image with hand over heart singing their anthem - I remain seated. To wit the confused scream out "love it or leave it". To wit I respond "I left it a long time ago". Scratching their heads they wonder "do my eyes deceive me or is he there or not" - fools despise wisdom.

Spiritual things are couched in worldly things. This was the key Saint Paul was trying to hard to disclose upon deaf ears. The terms Christ JESUS is not Jesus CHRIST. The first is Spirit condescending into Flesh - the latter is Flesh ascending to Spirit. So what happened to Jesus - he was despised, put on trial, beaten and put to death. What happened to The Word - put on trial, denied, defined and eventually put to death by men.

Remember: Woe unto ye lawyers for ye took away.....heck let me get it right:

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Entered into what? Jesus CHRIST - the kingdom of God. Move those two XX close together and between the two pillars you will find a square and compass. Do you see them?

allodial
02-06-15, 07:42 PM
I have read and watched many videos about freemasons. I am not obsessed about it or anything, but I know that it is at least an important issue concerning America and the entire wolrd. I find it interesting that many founders of the country were freemasons. And to see where we are now in this country makes me wonder if much of it was not planned from the very biginning. I have always wondered what big secret could the masons know. They are from an ancient guild of stone workers for crying out loud. Then I found the Testament of Solomon. http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/testamen.htm This with some quotes from Albert Pike (high level freemason), talking about Lucifer, makes me think maybe they know that they can employ the use of the fallen ones to help one another do their bidding. IMO, worldly things are also, always spiritual things.
As far as thier being a Creator or not, I have lived long enough to at least learn that accidents do not cause order. Quite the contrary is true.


As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. (1 Ki 11:4)

What seems to escape many/most is that Solomon's heart was turned away to by his taking 'strange wives' (non-believers). Perhaps Solomon's experience lucidates the Nephilim story in Genesis? The warning was "surely they will turn away your hearts after their god". Why isn't this made obvious in the typical Western church?

As for the 'founders' being Masons or Freemasons, it is very much worth noting that there were social guilds and then the more 'esoteric occult Freemasonry' that started cropping up in the 1700s in Europe. The kind of stonebuilder's guilds that were in America weren't the same kind that showed up in in the mid 1800s--the Albert Pike kind.

Anyone praising Solomon and regarding him as a role model without pointing out that his apostasy might be hiding something. The current correlation is a believer marrying a non-believer. Will she/he turn your heart after her/his gods? Will she/he want you to start worshiping her/his idols (institutions, rock stars, money, clothes, cars, movie stars, drug of choice)? Of course this relates to their insisting that of all being "the same god"--that dismisses the significance of Solomon's heart being turned away to OTHER gods. The Bible doesn't suggest monotheism. How can you turn away to other gods if there is only one? Thusly then they have been more easily led down the path to practicing sorcery because of the "there is only one god" so its all must be "the same god".


...makes me think maybe they know that they can employ the use of the fallen ones to help one another do their bidding. IMO, worldly things are also, always spiritual things.

That might be called sorcery. Unlike sorcery, exercising true spiritual authority doesn't require calling upon fallen spirits to do one's bidding--which might have a steep price. If someone has sex with someone under the influence of an unclean spirit, that spirit could connect with their body. That is why they promote casual sex, the spirits will then have a wider domain and spread themselves more through indiscriminate sexual relations. That is why they promote ignorance about the spiritual side effects or sexual promiscuity. "Muggles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muggle)" aren't supposed to know these things.

Why do you think they promote politicians and 'leaders' to have sex with hand picked sex slaves? Because if the sex slave is under their spiritual and psychic control anyone that she has sex with her will develop tendrils of connection/bonds with her and that will allow them to influence them.

I was taught that nothing happens on the physical level without some impetus (http://thefreedictionary.com/impetus)on the spiritual level.


It's the difference between believing in "Creator and created" or "All is one".

Besides the "killing the soul" doctrine, there is also the "I am God, God is All" doctrine which is just as damaging and evil.

That reminds me of: panentheism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism)vs pantheism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism).


Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical, panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.

Related:

Solomon's Apostasy (http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/solomons-apostasy.htm)
Christian Singles (http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/christiansingles.htm)
No More Sheets: the Truth About Sex (http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Sheets-Juanita-Bynum/dp/1562291262/r)

JohnnyCash
02-06-15, 10:52 PM
I have always wondered what big secret could the masons know. http://jesse2012.com//StructureofFreemasonry.jpg

Pretty obvious their big secret is just a Babylonian people-herding, slave driving (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_25.htm) technology. A group of Masons with a blood-sworn oath to secrecy? -- quite useful to the man-king whether or not they even know the "big secret." And since we Suitors know all about the methodology behind the enslavement, and used it to escape the pen, where's the secret?

The only big secret left is ... you thinking they have a big secret.

allodial
02-06-15, 10:59 PM
The only big secret left is ... you thinking they have a big secret.

Bingo. And mis-thinking them to have "all the power". As one stated to me: Satan might be a defeated foe, but he still has the power of the lie.

pumpkin
02-11-15, 04:21 PM
"Anyone praising Solomon and regarding him as a role model without pointing out that his apostasy might be hiding something."

It is a very interesting idea to me. There are monolithic structures around the world, built with abosolutely huge stones, and built with such precision, that we cannot duplicate them today. Some think advanced technologies. But they used the medium of the time, stone. This makes me think the masons do have some very ancient guarded secrets, and they are not technology, but something different. Anyone who praises Solomon hadn't read about his ending. If his testomony is true, then had had a whole slew of demons who seeked revenge. The temple did not stand, as Solomons favor with God did not stand.

Chex
02-11-15, 04:51 PM
"Anyone praising Solomon and regarding him as a role model without pointing out that his apostasy might be hiding something." Anyone who praises Solomon hadn't read about his ending. If his testomony is true, then had had a whole slew of demons who seeked revenge. The temple did not stand, as Solomons favor with God did not stand.

Thanks for that pumpkin I did not realize who was Solomon (http://blog.adw.org/2012/02/on-the-sad-end-of-solomon-a-moral-lesson-for-us-all/).

JohnnyCash
02-11-15, 05:01 PM
Looks like your whole control grid is collapsing. The Cabal is at the end of the rope with their dilemma and now are in shear panic, as their time is running out. Here is a brief recap of this weeks activities in no particular order:

* Egypt just signed on with Russia

* Cyprus just granted Russia land for a base just 25 miles from a NATO base. (I would hate to be the one installing the chain link fence between them.)

* Today Greece is supposed to choose the Euro debt trap or the BRICS. If they choose the BRICS then the derivatives market will explode globally. If they stay with Europe, debt forgiveness must occur, causing all other European countries to ask for the same forgiveness.

* Alan Greenspan gave the kiss of death to the Euro and says goodby to Greece as it moves to Russia. Last week he said fiat money is garbage and gold is king.

* Ben Fulford (http://eclinik.co/vital-issues/ben-fulford/zionazi-defeat-now-inevitable-pentagon-to-turn-blind-eye-as-russia-iran-and-turkey-take-out-saudi-arabia/) says that Saudi Arabia and all of its small neighbors have been given by the US Military to Russia (if Russia wants). Personally, I feel that is a scare tactic for them, the remaining countries still dealing in the Petro-Dollar, to hold that course. “Do it or the Boogy Man gets you.”

* England is signing a Defense “Offer/contract” with Ukraine. This I am sure is so they and their buddies can act without NATO in starting a war.

* Ukraine is history; destroyed. Their economy and farming is gone. They are bankrupt. They are conscripting women between 20 and 30 years old. Their army is now mostly conscripts that are untrained. If the US supplies weapons it won't matter as the troops will not know how to use them. More than likely the Ukraine army will turn on its own government, as there is nothing for them to fight for – there is no apple pie and Mom is being killed along side of them. They have no future.

* Netanyahu has called a March meeting with “his” Congress in Washington. It is to be a closed door session without the press. Personally I think Congress should kill him and claim he closed the door on his own head, ending the blackmail.

* The Baltic Dry Index (shipping business) is the lowest ever in it's history. This means that the globe is no longer trading. Commerce has virtually stopped.

* The Petro-Dollar and the International-Dollar are both dying. The world knows it now.

The bottom line is that the Cabal only has about another month to start a WWIII to control the collapse so it can come back into business, its historic pattern. In the meantime the entire globe knows that the Central Bankers are bankrupting the globe. Their secret sheep shearing operation is out in the open. The question is are the global leaders ready to face their own dilemmas and free humanity?

Meanwhile, I see the Cabal as the 17 year old at the drive in with her date, swatting at seven hands in the dark, any one of which can hit the jackpot. There is no doubt about it, a collapse is coming, one way or the other.

- Jim

pumpkin
02-11-15, 06:09 PM
"Looks like your whole control grid is collapsing. The Cabal is at the end of the rope with their dilemma and now are in shear panic, as their time is running out. Here is a brief recap of this weeks activities in no particular order:"

The return of the Truth has been prophesied. It appears to be happening now. He won't come here to save you however, that you must do yourself. The panic is at least entertaining. Until it isn't.

JohnnyCash
02-11-15, 07:12 PM
"He"? I don't think so. Homie don't play that.

Do you work for Vanguard Group, by any chance?
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The War in Ukraine was originated by Zionists of the State Department and Vanguard Group in order to create new Khazaria, and start WWIII by forcing Russia to bring military forces to Donbass:
Posted by benjamin
February 7, 2015

More raw intelligence from the Russians:

1. Vanguard Corporation is printing billions of “super dollars” [aka superdollar, supernotes (http://www.marketskeptics.com/2011/06/the-esf-and-its-history.html). Fake $100] and pays mercenaries of Greystone, Academy, some like ABC group, etc. There were a few of Vanguard employees some of them State Department employees, who had access to billions of fake super dollars that look even better than real dollars…

2. The Vanguard’s employees had buses of these dollars (billions), and they finance both sides of Ukrainian war… They bought a big amount of weapons from Ukrainian Army and on a regular basis provided it to Novorossiya (Donbass) militia.
In order to receive dollars, Ukrainian officers and soldiers have sold their weapons to Novorossiya. In other world, the main goal is to murder as many people in Ukraine as they can.

3. The Vanguard’s employees spread fake dollars in Ukraine through the banks that belong to Ukrainian Khazarian Oligarch, Igor Kolomoyskiy, who is the President of European Jewish Congress and Ukrainian Jewish Congress. City of Dnepropetrovsk (the main city of Zionist Kasparian Junta in Ukraine!). Also, Igor Kolomoyskiy owns the airports, including the Dnepropetrovsk’s airport that monitored the Malaysian Flight on July 17, 2014. He finances a military sadistic battalion Dnepr-1 that has committed mass murders in Novorossiya, and the soldiers and mercenaries of Dnepr 1 were paid by these fake supper dollars. All banks of the Dnepropetrovsk are full with these fake dollars.

4. Now nobody knows how much money Federal Reserve has of its own dollars in the world and how much Vanguard’s dollars. Some specialists think that competitors “ordered to put down” Vanguard Group. However, Vanguard leaders and other high level bank specialists told that main investors—contributors of Vanguard own the Federal Reserve, and they support this statement.

5. Vanguard’s employee, Mr. Peter van Byurren (the last name could be misspelled) had some serious (huge) compromat about Vanguard Group, including its communications, super dollars’ issues and its connections with US authorities, etc. Before, he left to Ukraine; he had hidden it in his mother house in a different state (the exact address is given). On January 8, 2015, he was informed that his mother died in hospital that belongs to one of the Vanguard’s companies. His wife checked the place where he hides the compromat against the Vanguard and did not find a box with documents and memory sticks.

6. Immediately, next day, Mr. Peter van Byurren and another Vanguard’s employee, Pete’s partner, Jonathan Mason, put in buses (BUSES!!!) several billions of super dollars and left. Information was spread that they were captured by Donbass militia. At this time, Ukrainian Army started their new active phase of a war against Donbass…

7. However, the Vanguard has sent a big group of Greystone mercenaries, and they found two Vanguard’s employees:

a. “Today, Jan. 21, the afternoon has ended with a series of events that led to the current outbreak of hostilities in the Donbass. The second escapee, Peter van Byurren, was captured on his quest by a special group of mercenaries of Greystone in the house where he was hiding in the village Spartacus Yasinovatskiy, Donetsk region. From there, under the American convoy he was sent to Kiev.”

b. “Unlike his partner, Jonathan Mason, was apparently awaiting the outcome of negotiations of Peter van Byurren with the militia. During his capture on January 19, 2015, three commandos of Greystone were shot and died. Jonathan Mason was killed in the house is in the village of Spartacus. The missing “super banknotes” nominal values of billions of dollars were not found.”

8. Peter Mr. Peter van Byurren was brought to London by a special comfortable flight, and seven of the Vanguard’s employees were with him. He was put in a hospital –Medical Center Sevenoaks – very solid health facility, recently acquired one of the largest in the world by the American Medical HCA, Hospital Corporation of America. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Mr. Peter van Byurren was placed precisely in this hospital: HCA belongs to the group of corporations and foundations, which includes such respected as Vanguard Group, Inc., State Street Corporation, Black Rock Institutional Trust Company, NA, Bank of New York Mellon Corporation, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund, Vanguard/WindsorII, Vanguard 500 Index Fund, Vanguard Institutional Index Fund-Institutional Index Fund and others.

9. This was an announcement that at the same day , January 23, 2015, Mr. Peter van Byurren died from a heart attack.

10. Mrs. Van Byurren appealed to the leadership of Vanguard with an ultimatum, supported by its appeals in a completely bewildered edition of ABC, as well as to certain foreign diplomats in Washington.


[Note From Jim: Ben later posted this note in his chat forum:

"All I can find out about the Vanguard corporation is that it involved in “financial services.” However, a major German financial newspaper has reported in the past that the CIA has a factory in Washington where they manufacture “super K” forged US dollar bills. I would thus assume that Vanguard is a Bush/Nazi CIA faction front. The super K’s are made by making copies of one hundred genuine US $100 bills and then averaging out the images. In the past they have been used to purchase illegal drugs. The CIA then traces the bills to find out who is producing the drugs and tells those people that they have to work with the CIA if they want to stay in the drug business."

allodial
02-12-15, 06:29 AM
How does that relate to the thread? Its easy to start new threads.

george
02-12-15, 06:37 AM
hi allodial


How does that relate to the thread? Its easy to start new threads.
IMO he is disruptive and out of order (to say the least) see:http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1309-Gospel-of-Pragmatism&p=16398&viewfull=1#post16398) post #18)