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cmm4191
12-11-13, 06:10 AM
Hello, i am new here -- just starting to understand the concept of lawful money.

I just started a new job , and i am looking forward to being paid in lawful money. The problem is i already have a checking and savings account that was not opened in lawful money , but i do not save money in there i only use it for paying bills. i convert all my savings to gold bullion . Does having a bank account not in lawful money affect me in trying to redeem lawful money?

For my other job i already filled out a w4 form before i learned about it, does this affect my ability to claim lawful money? How do i cash my check in lawful money without depositing into a bank account do i just make my demand and what banks must this be done at?

Even if i make my demand income tax still gets taken out, what do i write in my tax return to return a full refund? what if i still do not get a full refund or the irs comes after me? and if this works can i just opt out of income taxes in the future so they do not get automatically taken out of my check?

If someone could answer my questions and write down all the steps including if i should make copies of checks i would be very grateful as i am very new to this subject and currently living paycheck to paycheck working 2 jobs and need all the extra money i can get ,thank you.

John Howard
12-11-13, 03:52 PM
You can demand Lawful Money anytime, anywhere. (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3316/rq8.pdf) Have you seen this example 1040? (http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Form_1040-2010-DLM_Example-08-25-2011.pdf)

David Merrill
12-11-13, 09:16 PM
Thank you John Howard;



Even if i make my demand income tax still gets taken out, what do i write in my tax return to return a full refund?


Don't forget to include evidence of when you began, to the present, demanding lawful money. It may not be clear to the casual observer but study this example (https://app.box.com/s/xmfgmm447bci2k5nxetp) carefully - the email at the bottom. A possible interpretation for that is that you only need to publish your demand one time.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4489/doc28noticeanddemandfor.pdf
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2347/docketreport21213header.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/225/docketreport21213termin.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2996/docketreport31113counts.jpg

cmm4191
01-13-14, 11:22 PM
Thank you John Howard;





Don't forget to include evidence of when you began, to the present, demanding lawful money. It may not be clear to the casual observer but study this example (https://app.box.com/s/xmfgmm447bci2k5nxetp) carefully - the email at the bottom. A possible interpretation for that is that you only need to publish your demand one time.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4489/doc28noticeanddemandfor.pdf
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2347/docketreport21213header.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/225/docketreport21213termin.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2996/docketreport31113counts.jpg
So i just write on the back of my pay check lawful money and full discharge for all transactions 12 usc 411 and 95 a (2) then when my tax return papers come write demand for lawful money reduction under number 21 of the form and thats it? should i include copies of my checks with the demand and staple them to the return? Im sorry for if i sound dumb this is my first over the table job where im filling out a tax return my other jobs i was young and had my parents fill them out for me i never filled out a tax return before

doug555
01-14-14, 11:57 PM
Hello, i am new here -- just starting to understand the concept of lawful money.

I just started a new job , and i am looking forward to being paid in lawful money. The problem is i already have a checking and savings account that was not opened in lawful money , but i do not save money in there i only use it for paying bills. i convert all my savings to gold bullion . Does having a bank account not in lawful money affect me in trying to redeem lawful money?

For my other job i already filled out a w4 form before i learned about it, does this affect my ability to claim lawful money? How do i cash my check in lawful money without depositing into a bank account do i just make my demand and what banks must this be done at?

Even if i make my demand income tax still gets taken out, what do i write in my tax return to return a full refund? what if i still do not get a full refund or the irs comes after me? and if this works can i just opt out of income taxes in the future so they do not get automatically taken out of my check?

If someone could answer my questions and write down all the steps including if i should make copies of checks i would be very grateful as i am very new to this subject and currently living paycheck to paycheck working 2 jobs and need all the extra money i can get ,thank you.

See this post (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099), and 1040-Relief (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/1040-relief/).

cmm4191
01-18-14, 12:11 AM
See this post (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099), and 1040-Relief (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/1040-relief/).

Thanks for the good read, i believe i understand the full process better now . Can you correct me if i am wrong?

First write on the back of my pay check lawful money and full discharge for all transactions 12 usc 411 and 95 a (2) then make copies of all my pay checks for proof.

Then when its time to fill out my 1040 simply write in line 21 demand for lawful money reduction , and write my gross income for the year on line 21

Then write a supporting schedule demand for lawful money, listing my net pay , and all the taxes the irs has taken out. Then list my gross pay. While listing a copy of title 12 United states code section 411.

Then i should receive a full refund , am i missing something?

doug555
01-18-14, 12:39 AM
Thanks for the good read, i believe i understand the full process better now . Can you correct me if i am wrong?

First write on the back of my pay check lawful money and full discharge for all transactions 12 usc 411 and 95 a (2) then make copies of all my pay checks for proof.

Then when its time to fill out my 1040 simply write in line 21 demand for lawful money reduction , and write my gross income for the year on line 21

Then write a supporting schedule demand for lawful money, listing my net pay , and all the taxes the irs has taken out. Then list my gross pay. While listing a copy of title 12 United states code section 411.

Then i should receive a full refund , am i missing something?

NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.

cmm4191
01-27-14, 09:49 PM
NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.
In one of the example schedules you sent me net pay is listed , but you told him to change it to regular pay. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1036-1st-Return-Redeeming-Lawful-Money

Also should i not sign the back of the check? and what if the bank makes me sign it before cashing it?

doug555
01-27-14, 10:09 PM
In one of the example schedules you sent me net pay is listed , but you told him to change it to regular pay. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1036-1st-Return-Redeeming-Lawful-Money

Also should i not sign the back of the check? and what if the bank makes me sign it before cashing it?

1. Gross Pay (regular pay) is a separate TRANSACTION. It also happens to be the basis for all derivative separate TRANSACTIONS.

2. IMO, the BACK of the check is PRIVATE. It belongs to "them". Sign it the way they want it signed. The FRONT of the check is PUBLIC, and contains the demand statement.

IMO, since 12 USC 411 is worded to allow 'redemption", and not "prevention", of FRNs, this implies that an unrestrictive endorsement is required on the back of a check.

cmm4191
01-27-14, 10:24 PM
1. Gross Pay (regular pay) is a separate TRANSACTION. It also happens to be the basis for all derivative separate TRANSACTIONS.

2. IMO, the BACK of the check is PRIVATE. It belongs to "them". Sign it the way they want it signed. The FRONT of the check is PUBLIC, and contains the demand statement.

IMO, since 12 USC 411 is worded to allow 'redemption", and not "prevention", of FRNs, this implies that an unrestrictive endorsement is required on the back of a check.

Oh , okay so signing my name on the back of the check has no affect on redeeming lawful money.


Thank you , you have been very helpful to me. The only thing that has me slightly confused is the schedule example you have shown me. Why would the gross pay, and all the taxes that have been taken out be added up then put on line 21 for gross pay deduction ? why wouldn't it be just all the taxes taken out for the year added up and put on line 21. forgive me as see i am very young and just moved out on my own and this is my first year i have to fill out a tax return on my own , i never filled out a 1040 before . Thanks

doug555
01-27-14, 10:38 PM
Oh , okay so signing my name on the back of the check has no affect on redeeming lawful money.


Thank you , you have been very helpful to me. The only thing that has me slightly confused is the schedule example you have shown me. Why would the gross pay, and all the taxes that have been taken out be added up then put on line 21 for gross pay deduction ? why wouldn't it be just all the taxes taken out for the year added up and put on line 21. forgive me as see i am very young and just moved out on my own and this is my first year i have to fill out a tax return on my own , i never filled out a 1040 before . Thanks

1. Correct

2. Because BOTH lawful money redemption and private credit monetiization are TRANSACTION-BASED.
See http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099), especially http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10386&viewfull=1#post10386 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10386&viewfull=1#post10386) and http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10401&viewfull=1#post10401 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10401&viewfull=1#post10401)

cmm4191
01-27-14, 11:09 PM
1. Correct

2. Because BOTH lawful money redemption and private credit monetiization are TRANSACTION-BASED.
See http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?844-1040-help&highlight=10099), especially http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10386&viewfull=1#post10386 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10386&viewfull=1#post10386) and http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10401&viewfull=1#post10401 (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?869-Make-Demand-At-Treasury&p=10401&viewfull=1#post10401)
thank you , i understand better now.

salsero
01-29-14, 12:53 AM
NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.

What happens if you wrote the non-endorsement on the back ONLY?

fano24chevy
02-03-14, 07:25 PM
Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

Thank you Jesus!

David Merrill
02-03-14, 10:49 PM
Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

Thank you Jesus!

The Notice and Demand is effective notification. The amount of evidence you want to present to the IRS is up for debate. Doug is minimalist and some suitors document the 1040 extensively. The Libel of Review as a counterclaim clearly makes a claim and you issue a true judgment too. Issue of such process seems to validate the 'diversity of citizenship' issue quite clearly for the suitor. It stands as a basis for Refusal for Cause.

I read about me over on Lost Horizons - Pete's Cracking the Code website. He coined a term for this, what we do over here. It did not make any sense to me so I forget, like trying to memorize a quote in a foreign language...

Anthony Joseph
02-03-14, 11:06 PM
stand on your claim, as a man, to what is rightfully your property [the fruits of your energy and labor]

be sure your claim causes no harm to another man; or, injury to his/her claimed property [do unto others...]

if someone makes a claim against you, make it right if you believe you have caused harm or injury to another man

if you believe there is no harm or injury, require the claimant verify his/her claim and bring forth proof and evidence of a debt due or a wrong committed

'IRS', 'UNITED STATES', 'STATE OF XXXX', etc. do not have living voice [cannot verify] and cannot be harmed [2 dimensional] by you [3 dimensional]; require the man or woman who contacted you to verify what he/she claims with full liability

this is simple folks

ag maniac
02-04-14, 02:48 PM
Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

Thank you Jesus!


If you wanted to, you could access your bank account from home via computer.....and on each entry for transactions there should be an icon to send a message to whomever @ the bank.....make your demand there....but before clicking "send", print out a copy for yourself.

cmm4191
02-05-14, 07:54 AM
The Notice and Demand is effective notification. The amount of evidence you want to present to the IRS is up for debate. Doug is minimalist and some suitors document the 1040 extensively. The Libel of Review as a counterclaim clearly makes a claim and you issue a true judgment too. Issue of such process seems to validate the 'diversity of citizenship' issue quite clearly for the suitor. It stands as a basis for Refusal for Cause.

I read about me over on Lost Horizons - Pete's Cracking the Code website. He coined a term for this, what we do over here. It did not make any sense to me so I forget, like trying to memorize a quote in a foreign language...
So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?

JohnnyCash
02-05-14, 09:47 PM
So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?
Are you from Salem (http://www.salemwitchmuseum.com/education/index.php)?

doug555
02-05-14, 10:12 PM
Are you from Salem (http://www.salemwitchmuseum.com/education/index.php)?

which witch is which? :) you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803) that:
"lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

See here (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/lawful-money-demands-getting-started/) for more info.

ag maniac
02-06-14, 04:28 PM
.....See here (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/lawful-money-demands-getting-started/) for more info.

....in the middle of that page-link

.....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.


I've been meaning to ask this question....

I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?

doug555
02-06-14, 10:52 PM
Quote Originally Posted by doug555
.....See here (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/lawful-money-demands-getting-started/) for more info.

....in the middle of that page-link


.....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.

I've been meaning to ask this question....

I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?

VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

IMO.

Does that sound right to you?

ag maniac
02-06-14, 11:22 PM
That sounds right doug.....& I've always understood the rationale about making LM demands on purchase transactions to build/supplement evidence relating to all/any other LM demands. As I mentioned on another post for people w/ direct deposit, should they feel inclined, they can message their bank via the computer account interface regarding LM & direct deposits....print it out before sending the message for one's own evidence.

thanx !

cmm4191
02-13-14, 05:53 AM
which witch is which? :) you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803) that:
"lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

See here (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/lawful-money-demands-getting-started/) for more info.
It still feels like i am missing something , is there anything else i should do? I feel like i am missing something is there better ways to document prove the use of lawful money. should i also file something with my county to make sure to tie up any lose ends?


I have most of the steps down : write lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 usc 411 , 95a (2) on my paychecks .write down on line 21 of the 1040 lawful money reduction , and write out a supporting schedule , and staple copies of all my checks with the supporting schedule , and a copy of title 12 united states code section 411 to the 1040 . if i am missing something please let me know , thanks.

also i feel like if i sign my legal name to the checks it could be a problem for me i was thinking about signing my true name but signing it really sloppy to trick the teller into believing it was my legal name could this work ?

Also where does it state lawful money cannot be taxed? I should probably print out that law too and attach to my 1040

David Merrill
02-13-14, 11:41 AM
The Lesson Plan is three parts:


1) True Identity
2) Record Forming
3) Redeeming Lawful Money


1) After walking hundreds of people through this Lesson Plan for nearly 15 years it becomes clear that any one part is no less important than any other. Consistently the suitors who have success with this Lesson Plan will be called by their True Names in all settings and only use their Legal or Full Names when referring to the contractual setting.

2) You are hashing through Record Forming in your post above.

3) Here is some Crosstalk from a suitors' broadcast conversation:



Dear Suitors;


I am reminded lately of the suitor who was opening trust accounts for folks and had a total of ten at one bank in particular. Suddenly the branch manager began demanding that nobody was allowed to write the non-endorsement verbiage on checks and signature cards. As these account holders insisted that the branch manager was not in capacity to dictate how they signed their names the accounts were suddenly closed down and three employees were terminated.

Endorsement is definitely a signature bond made to substantiate collateral for the extra funds above and beyond the initial creation of each dollar, created by fractional lending. When we demand lawful money, we withdraw this bonding and demand our funds be special deposit. It can be big trouble when a significant amount (ten accounts) of funds are being commingled into the regular endorsed funds held in reserve for fractional lending purposes.


Regards,

David Merrill.

cmm4191
02-13-14, 09:32 PM
The Lesson Plan is three parts:


1) True Identity
2) Record Forming
3) Redeeming Lawful Money


1) After walking hundreds of people through this Lesson Plan for nearly 15 years it becomes clear that any one part is no less important than any other. Consistently the suitors who have success with this Lesson Plan will be called by their True Names in all settings and only use their Legal or Full Names when referring to the contractual setting.

2) You are hashing through Record Forming in your post above.

3) Here is some Crosstalk from a suitors' broadcast conversation:
yes i am still saving up for the libel of review lesson plan as fast as i can

doug555
02-13-14, 11:07 PM
It still feels like i am missing something , is there anything else i should do? I feel like i am missing something is there better ways to document prove the use of lawful money. should i also file something with my county to make sure to tie up any lose ends?


I have most of the steps down : write lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 usc 411 , 95a (2) on my paychecks .write down on line 21 of the 1040 lawful money reduction , and write out a supporting schedule , and staple copies of all my checks with the supporting schedule , and a copy of title 12 united states code section 411 to the 1040 . if i am missing something please let me know , thanks.

also i feel like if i sign my legal name to the checks it could be a problem for me i was thinking about signing my true name but signing it really sloppy to trick the teller into believing it was my legal name could this work ?

Also where does it state lawful money cannot be taxed? I should probably print out that law too and attach to my 1040

See Affidavit in Support at County Registrar (https://drive.google.com/?tab=mo&authuser=0#folders/0B8BdR0w2oZY_RUh4T214dEFuY28) example...

See M'CULLOCH v. STATE, 17 U.S. 316 (1819) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8BdR0w2oZY_ZndVdzFyWm16Yms/edit?usp=sharing) for tax issue...

ag maniac
02-15-14, 05:16 PM
Moxie, possibly to clarify for you, I posed a similar question to doug555 on another thread (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1031-Where-to-start&p=12971&viewfull=1#post12971), and his reply follows:


VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

IMO.

Does that sound right to you?


However, I sense you may be inquiring about legal and equitable titles being merged into your possession simply by using LM and Full Discharge to purchase things. It all seems to check out on paper and in theory, BUT they get to presume whatever it is they want.

They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.

Moxie
02-17-14, 01:57 AM
Thank you, Maniac :)

I don't have a mortgage or car payment, and never plan to, but my question helps me explore the boundaries of lawful money better.

Especially for the benefit of others with house and car payments who are looking for relief.

Chex
02-17-14, 01:06 PM
They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.

Hold them (whoever) accountable and make it well know in a court of law and use the media.

Chex
02-18-14, 02:36 PM
Interesting The Finance Committee is the most consequential and powerful committee in the Senate with far-reaching jurisdiction over tax, trade, and health care issues affecting every American, and it provides a huge platform for Wyden’s ideas along with the staff and resources to implement them. http://news.yahoo.com/senate-set-tax-plan-showdown-104500418--politics.html

C.Evan
05-01-14, 03:29 PM
The Lesson Plan is three parts:


1) True Identity
2) Record Forming
3) Redeeming Lawful Money


1) After walking hundreds of people through this Lesson Plan for nearly 15 years it becomes clear that any one part is no less important than any other. Consistently the suitors who have success with this Lesson Plan will be called by their True Names in all settings and only use their Legal or Full Names when referring to the contractual setting.

2) You are hashing through Record Forming in your post above.

3) Here is some Crosstalk from a suitors' broadcast conversation:

Hi David,

First time commenter, but I have read around this site for a while now. Is there somewhere that you lay out what is meany by "true identity" and "record forming"?