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doug555
12-31-13, 10:37 PM
My hope is that this thread entitled "The KEY ISSUE for a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY" will expose what really happened in this country between May 23, 1933 and June 5, 1933, and why it provides the KEY ISSUE for a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY to free our nation from the "Legalized Plunder" (see Bastiat's book by that name at: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html)) perpetrated by the "Elites" and funded by its "Victims".

I have made some posts about this topic on Joseph Kelley's forum (http://www.power-independence.com/forum/). He is the State Coordinator fro California for the National Liberty Alliance (http://nationallibertyalliance.org/home-0) group.

Joe created a forum entitled DUE PROCESS for LAWFUL MONEY (http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_forum.php?id=29), and started this topic for discussion for me.

You may be interested in reading the posts there:
http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=1059&forum_id=29 (http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=1059&forum_id=29)

Here are my 2 recent posts:
http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=6968 (http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=6968)
http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=6973 (http://www.power-independence.com/forum/view_post.php?post_id=6973)


Perhaps we can generate interest about this topic here too...

I encourage you to contact your State and County organizers for more info, and to listen to the recent conference calls at:
http://my.blogtalkradio.com/nationallibertyalliance (http://my.blogtalkradio.com/nationallibertyalliance)

Remember, the Saving to Suitors Clause preserves a Common Law remedy... the COMMON LAW GRAND JURY is a critical part of that remedy.

The National Liberty Alliance also has forums for each State, which you will find under the "Jurist" tab once you register on the site. Here is Joe Kelley's most recent post which I urge all to read VERY carefully, and see the CONNECTION to "demanding lawful money for all transactions" as THE specific tactic for the victims to stop feeding the perpetrators.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/23#comment-23 (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/23#comment-23)

allodial
01-01-14, 03:18 AM
You can redeem items for lawful money or you can simply specify "lawful money" in all of your payment items. Alerting people and warning them is more editorial. Schooling them is toward the practical and functional.

Joe Kelley
01-04-14, 06:48 PM
Doug,

I am going to try to connect the gap in knowledge I see on my foundation as I look across to see your foundation. The gap is currently very wide from my point of view; I do not know much about this process of redeeming lawful money.
Perhaps what I am about to tell you, as an offer of bridge building, works to interest you enough to inspire you to instruct me as to how to build this bridge.

A long story is necessary, in my opinion, but I can work to cut out many vital facts. It has been about 10 years since my health went bad and I stopped working for pay. Previous to that event I had worked for over 20 years for pay, and so a target was on my back because I worked for Federal Reserve Notes in exchange for my labor.

20 years of hard labor and 20 years of helping the fraud of Central Banking (Communism for those whose education does not trace back the crime of Central Banking Fraud and Extortion further back even past Communism) increase the velocity of their gaining power at the expense of me in particular and every other victim also in particular.

I have in the past 10 years adapted to new realities and I now have a book written and printed for sale involving a discussion I had with a friend on The Daily Paul Forum. That book could be a source of income for me. I don’t know, but it could, and therefore I am potentially ready to begin exchanging my value for compensation of my value in forms that can be intercepted by outlaws with false badges.

I was just not interrupted in my writing to speak on the phone with the Common Law State Coordinator from Arkansas, and she informed me (as if I did not already know) that the FED is being destroyed by the operators of the FED, but those are my words, not hers. She spoke of ways in which alternate forms of commerce are needed once the fraud stuff is no longer of any use to anyone; including the criminals who run the thing called the FED (Central Bank/Communism/Legal Fraud and Extortion) and of course the criminals will have a new version of the same routine crime (made legal) to replace the old one they destroy on purpose, on their schedule.

So, step by step, as you see me on my foundation. As I look at you on your foundation. How can I build this bridge between us?

I have 100 books to sell in the first printing.

I plan on selling each book for 10 units of value so as to end up with 1000 units of value. Then with 1000 units of value I plan on reinvesting in more copies printed, and the printer is going to demand Federal Reserve Notes because Federal Reserve Notes are still, as yet, in demand, still commanding Power to Purchase as I type.

Help me build the bridge. I have books to sell. Do you want one? Suppose we can imagine into being someone who wants a book I wrote, an imaginary person, and suppose that person has nothing but Federal Reserve Notes to offer in exchange for one of my books. I get 10 units of Legal Fraud Money, which I hate to encourage that specific increase in velocity of that specific piece of inculpatory evidence proving the fact that a crime is in progress, whereby I am made an accessory to the crime, where I am aiding and abetting, lending moral, and material support to the worst evil human beings ever to disgrace the human gene pool.

How is the steady stream of crime made legal slowed down, stopped, and instead of such evil flowing in time and place, how is something productive done instead of so much destruction being done?
I have books for sale. Those are now my form of currency. What do I do now boss?

David Merrill
01-05-14, 01:25 AM
Lately it has occurred to me that now the diversity of citizenship is defined clearly I might well make effort to revive Are You Lost at C? (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_AreYouLostAtSea.pdf) When my friend James Harlan (http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2149/libelinreview.pdf) filed his Libel in Review neither of us had a clue about redeeming lawful money and that doing so by demand defined the diversity.

I interject that as a stepping stone to the end I believe you seek on this thread; to form authoritative grand juries.

Forming the grand juries is definitely the way to go, the way to get it done. I have been on and before "common law grand juries". In theory they are great but the same deal keeps stumbling the process and that is the demand to be clear of contract with the Fed. I have had deputies in the booking area ask me if I spend "American Money" (FRN's). That is all they needed to hear when I affirmed that I used Federal Reserve notes.

I think my major breakthrough happened at a William THORNTON seminar in Black Forest. Not from Bill though, it was from one of the other students during breaks and lunch. He seemed intent on convincing me that all we had to do was study the way the Attorney General formed grand juries and then do that, right there in the same courtrooms!

Which begs the question, Why can't we?

In my opinion, and my objective lately is that larger numbers of people have to redeem lawful money to start recognizing the Authority - who is the Author of all Authority? I AM (http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2104/burningbush.jpg). Get out of the abomination of false balances and recover from civil death.

We were bouncing this around on the brain trust the other day:


A suitor I was helping many years ago prompted a county court judge to explain that all Colorado judges are attorneys. – That this requirement facilitated the quality of justice in the court system. Then the judge recused himself for Conflict of Interest!



Later when I was a ‘defendant’ they knew better than to go there (https://app.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_2234061085). Even so, it was impossible to arraign me. In a sense this is the symptom and result of ‘dumbing down’ people. Maybe it is just plain complacency when not living in need but people in general do not understand natural law (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezz0AeC9vc&list=PLmmQ8peduhspG_tetBNkjqeY7TPToZo-1). The speaker in that link points out that being an adept at creating requires TIME. This is the obstacle; people just don’t have the time anymore. So people in general hire attorneys to rule about the law, abolishing the full function of the Fourth Branch. People sit in mock juries only ruling on the facts. I have been advised as a juror, no prohibited from visiting the Law Library on the first floor!



However I claim the position as Intelligence Nexus primarily for seeking (http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4528/lawsofmosespentateuch.pdf) out the law (http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4011/lawsofmoses.pdf) and the physics (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6653/statecourtprayer.pdf). Even so I have very little faith that people in general intend ever to fire the court system and take on that responsibility as a social compact. I recall early on in my journey how a pioneer family in a wagon train typically had two very expensive books on board – the Bible and Blackstone’s Commentaries.





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While it is important to uphold the office of "man" and its "dominion" (Gen 1:26), I believe it is also important to remember that the Creator raised up many "judges" to deliver His People from idolatry (Judges 2:16-19; 3:9-11; 4:4; 6:11; 11:1; ).



I see this group of men (Grand Jury) as being an effective tool for a man to "vindicate the weak... do justice... rescue the needy... deliver from the wicked" (Ps 82:3-4 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Ps+82%3A3-4&t=nas)). Using a tool is not worshipping a false god.



This Grand Jury "tool" pre-dates the Constitution, and is re-affirmed in the Bill of Rights in the 5th Amendment (http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html).



It is non-partison, non-political, so it is does not interfere with a saint's duties as an ambassador of the kingdom.



The idea of having a group of men helping to judge His People came directly from the Creator (Num 11:16-30 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Num+11%3A16-30&t=nas)).



And the imminent Holyday 3 (http://pentecostnation.wordpress.com/holyday-3-the-pentecost-nation/)is all about the Creator establishing a special group (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=rev+5%3A9&t=nas)of people from every nation on earth to become a literal physical kingdom of priests (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=rev+5%3A10&t=nas) to reign on the earth BEFORE the End (Mt 24:14 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Mt+24%3A14&t=nas)).



Perhaps this Grand Jury group presents an opportunity for a man to prepare for being a part of that special group who reigns/rules/judges?








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You reverberate the exact sentiments required for meaningful change. Although, I believe that moving, holding and keeping our court(s) entails our own competence, and knowledge applied, in order to manifest said change; rather than relying on any such group, however noble their intents are. We, as ‘man’, need to hold the servants/subordinates (gatekeepers) to their voluntary duty and oath; and, we need to stand strong and fast when our mettle is tested by said ‘gatekeepers’. It is our responsibility to learn and live as ‘man’ and not be persuaded or tempted by false gods. Each of us need to act upon this notion and keep those who swore to serve in their rightful place; not with disdain but with an honorable recognition of their gatekeeper/servant capacity.



Thanks,





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http://nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/31#comment-31





My post on the National Liberty Alliance (http://nationallibertyalliance.org/) may provide the enforcement mechanism for this "Abolish the Fed" effort...



I do not think Congress, being under the Executive Branch (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8BdR0w2oZY_cFJsclVxZlpZZEk/edit) since April 15, 1861, has the capacity to do it.



We need the Fourth Branch of government to do it (http://nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/Mandamus%20to%20Judge.pdf)... the Common Law Grand Jury.



It will only take one incident (CLAIM (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8BdR0w2oZY_Z0g0Q2pNLW4yelU&usp=sharing)) of a man being harmed by being compelled to use FRNs to do it!



This brings Hab 2:6-8 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Hab+2%3A6-8&t=nas) and Zech 2:9 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Zech+2%3A9&t=nas) to mind...






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ATTACHMENT. (http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html)

Does anybody have a process server for the Fed in San Francisco?



Listen to the Article while you read along! (https://app.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_12729971236)

doug555
01-05-14, 02:33 AM
Lately it has occurred to me that now the diversity of citizenship is defined clearly I might well make effort to revive Are You Lost at C? (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_AreYouLostAtSea.pdf) When my friend James Harlan (http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2149/libelinreview.pdf) filed his Libel in Review neither of us had a clue about redeeming lawful money and that doing so by demand defined the diversity.

I interject that as a stepping stone to the end I believe you seek on this thread; to form authoritative grand juries.

Forming the grand juries is definitely the way to go, the way to get it done. I have been on and before "common law grand juries". In theory they are great but the same deal keeps stumbling the process and that is the demand to be clear of contract with the Fed. I have had deputies in the booking area ask me if I spend "American Money" (FRN's). That is all they needed to hear when I affirmed that I used Federal Reserve notes.

I think my major breakthrough happened at a William THORNTON seminar in Black Forest. Not from Bill though, it was from one of the other students during breaks and lunch. He seemed intent on convincing me that all we had to do was study the way the Attorney General formed grand juries and then do that, right there in the same courtrooms!

Which begs the question, Why can't we?

In my opinion, and my objective lately is that larger numbers of people have to redeem lawful money to start recognizing the Authority - who is the Author of all Authority? I AM (http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2104/burningbush.jpg). Get out of the abomination of false balances and recover from civil death.

We were bouncing this around on the brain trust the other day:

YES!!! And if the one bringing a CLAIM before a Common Law Grand Jury (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8BdR0w2oZY_Z0g0Q2pNLW4yelU&usp=sharing) is on record as "demanding lawful money for all transactions", then a jury of his peers should also be on record as doing the same!

This means John Darash, the founder of National Liberty Alliance (http://nationallibertyalliance.org/home-0), should be informed of this "lawful money connection" and add it as one of the requirements to be a jurist on a Common Law Grand Jury in order to rule on such a "Claim of Trespass before Common Law Grand Jury" from a man who free from contract with the FED because said man is on the record as "demanding lawful money for all transactions".

I am in communication now with Joe Kelley, the California State Coordinator for the National Liberty Alliance (http://nationallibertyalliance.org/home-0), and he is now a member of my BLOG (http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/blog/) so I can get him quickly informed on this issue until he joins StSC, and then perhaps pass this critical connection along to John to rebut that debilitating nexus that has legitimately "stumbled" the Grand Juries in the past, as you state.

I will keep you posted on our progress...

Thanks David for bringing up this critical connection!

Great timing, in light of your statement: "my objective lately is that larger numbers of people have to redeem lawful money to start recognizing the Authority"!!

I love your "I AM (http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2104/burningbush.jpg)" 3D Stereogram image of the "Burning Bush"... It took me a while to focus on seeing it though!

Perhaps we are rejecting that Authority by choosing FRNs over USNs.

Like the 3D Stereogram, they do even see the 2 choices laid out right in front of them on the one dollar bill.

And I believe Deut 24:15 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage.aspx?q=Deut+24%3A15&t=nas) does indicate that "delaying payment" is a SIN... a trespass. We are choosing the lefthand side of the FRN.

Perhaps that Authority cannot intervene for us because we are CONSENTING to this SIN and "Legalized Plunder (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G009)" by not redeeming FRNs by not demanding lawful money for all transactions, by not choosing the righthand side of the dollar bill?

I am ready to promote your new website so we can achieve your new objective ASAP, and perhaps require all Common Law Grand Jurists to do this in order to be a jury of peers for those of us who are doing it now, and have claims of trespasses ready to bring before them.