The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury

[doug555]

YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW!

The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury, acknowledged in the 5th Amendment, is now being reconstituted in all 3141 counties in America to redress wrongs perpetrated upon the people via “legalized plunder” by the other 3 Branches of government, locally and nationally.

Watch the "The Power of the Grand Jury" video at nationallibertyalliance.org (http://nationallibertyalliance.org) to get a basic overview.

Then register on the site to become a Jurist. Only the People can restore the American Republic and the vision of our Founders and Framers and stop the “legalized plunder” (The Law by Frederic Bastiat) that has come to America.

This effort is connected to preserving the "Saving to Suitors" common law remedy.

If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.
http://www.meetup.com/National-Liberty-Alliance-Buncombe-County-North-Carolina/

[Chex]

YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW! If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.http://www.meetup.com/National-Liberty-Alliance-Buncombe-County-North-Carolina/

In the common law, a grand jury is a type of jury that determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Grand juries carry out this duty by examining evidence presented to them by a prosecutor and issuing indictments, or by investigating alleged crimes and issuing presentments. A grand jury is traditionally larger than and distinguishable from a petit jury, which is used during a trial. http://commonlawgrandjury.com/legal/Common-Law-Grand-Jury.pdf

@ Doug555, Here http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/olmbr.aspx might be a guest list for Buncombe County Representation whereas Douglas Stehling http://www.meetup.com/National-Liberty-Alliance-Buncombe-County-North-Carolina/members/124748382/ might be one to invite along with some other Buncombe County Representation http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/counties/counties.pl?County=Buncombe

This guy too Representative Tim D. Moffitt (Rep) of 3182 Sweeten Creek Rd., Asheville, NC 28803 of http://www.emoffitt.com/


From the renovation of The Statue of Liberty to leading legal firms and multi-family construction projects, Moffitt has helped hundreds of companies find thousands of qualified candidates for hard to fill positions

Tim likes to introduce bills http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/reports/introducedBills.pl?nUserID=623&Chamber=H probably learned it from this:

Laws begin as ideas. These ideas may come from a Representative—or from a citizen like you. Citizens who have ideas for laws can contact their Representatives to discuss their ideas. If the Representatives agree, they research the ideas and write them into bills. http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17


Section 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law.

But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section7

Another invite might be Susan Fisher. http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/ About Susan, Representative Susan Fisher has spent her life serving the public. She has represented the people of NC House District 114 since 2003, and has a strong record on issues that matter to her constituents: jobs and the economy, education, protecting our environment, and promoting civil rights for all people. To view Representative Fisher’s record in the House, service on committees, and legislation introduced and sponsored http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/?page_id=12

Representative Susan Fisher is a strong and effective leader in the North Carolina House, standing up for the things that matter to people in her district: working to get our economy back on track with good jobs for working families, protecting education as the key to our economic future, cleaning up our environment, and advocating civil rights for all people.

She has as a website on Manta http://www.manta.com/c/mry3dzj/elect-susan-fisher-democrat I found her from here http://buncombedems.org/elected-officials/

She is also on the Standing Committee Assignments, 2013-2014 Session http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/reports/committeeAssignments.pl?nUserid=463&Chamber=H in banking.

I hope that everything goes right and the questions you ask get answered. Hopefully you can post some video of the meeting.

[Keith Alan]

Here's a great article on Grand juries. http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm

Edit -- "In 1906 the United States Supreme Court dealt with the question of whether grand juries could be restricted from straying into investigations of issues not formally presented to them by prosecutors.See*Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1916). The Court held that it was "entirely clear . . . under the practice in this country," that grand jurors may proceed upon either their own knowledge or upon the examination of witnesses brought before them, "to inquire for themselves whether a crime cognizable in the court has been committed."*Hale, 201 U.S. at 65. Thus, in some respects, the "runaway" grand jury, though not given such a name at the time, has been upheld by the nation's highest court. It is therefore debatable whether the modern Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which have limited federal grand jury action since 1946, are constitutional.*See infra*notes 87-128 and accompanying text (discussing the constitutionality of Rules 6);*See also*FRANKEL & NAFTALIS,*supranote 12, at 111 (mentioning that Rule 6's language "sounds like an inescapable and unambiguous barrier to the grand jury's proceeding without an attorney. . . . [b]ut people learned in the law have seen means of escaping and possibly overriding barriers that appear insurmountable at first. While the barriers here still stand, the debate may not be over.")."

[Chex]

Here's another http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/JuryInfo/grand_jury_handbook.shtml

[Anthony Joseph]

while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/Quo%20Warranto.pdf

how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/11-7-13%20letter%20from%20green%20county.pdf

do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?

[Freed Gerdes]

The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control. This does not mean that such citizen directed grand juries lack standing, it merely means that they lack the cooperation of the same people they are trying to indict. The problem there is the same one faced by anyone who has tried to get justice served through the current US Attorney General Holder. When an organized gang decides to support and commit major crimes on a grand scale, they first capture the systems designed to control and regulate those activities. Then they can decide, using the official channels intended for such prosecutions, not to prosecute. This is representative government, but captured by thugs. It is still representative government, it just does not represent 'the people,' now it represents 'the cronies.'

Freed

[Chex]

The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control.


No doubt about that.


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Basically Judge A. Gail Prudenti is saying


Reject requests to file documents that attempt to establish common-law grand juries - Judge A. Gail Prudenti .

of 45 Monroe Place Brooklyn, NY 11201 (t) (718) 772-6400 (f) (718) 855-2884 a Republican appointed by Governor George E. Pataki, Acting Justice of the New York Supreme Court from 1996 to 2000 and Surrogate Court Judge in Suffolk County from 1995 to 2000 who sat on the New York Supreme Court Tenth Judicial District from 1992 to 1994 who was in private practice from 1982 to 1991where she specialized in trusts and estates and special counsel to the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association's Widows and Orphans Fund and acting as a Chief Administrative Judge of the Courts of New York State just told all the people of New York to go screw themselves because the savings to suitors clause is a right under the federal law which allows a party to pursue a remedy for a maritime claim in a state court when entitled to such remedy don’t work in my courtroom and either does common-law so go jump off the Brooklyn bridge.

Where is her and Michelle Carroll chief clerk oath of office? I am interested what it has to say.

[Anthony Joseph]

perhaps you are missing the point(s):

1) someone requesting of someone else to do something without being able to convey a singular jurisdiction is someone who cannot receive what is being requested
2) did anyone request anything?

[doug555]

while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/Quo%20Warranto.pdf

how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/11-7-13%20letter%20from%20green%20county.pdf

do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?

Very good point... It must be made clear that the citing of their rules is for their benefit only. Their rules may acknowledge the Grand Jury, but they certainly don't authorize it. That authority goes way back in time before the US existed, even to Deuteronomy.

So the clerk's reply is therefore logical. The Grand Jury's paperwork should not be in "their" system. But then again, is it "their" system if it is receiving funding from the "people"?

Is the courthouse "their" building, or does it belong to the people, the public?

Karl holds his court at the public building.

The issue of private vs public comes in here.

This is an important issue and distinction.

But perhaps it is "their" building, if all the funds used to build it were FRN's!

Does this mean that the Grand Jury and all Jurists in the jury pool must FIRST be on record as demanding lawful money for all transactions BEFORE they can truly claim to be "separate" as the Fourth Branch of the government????

Wow! Perhaps David and MJ need to have a heart to heart talk with John Darash ASAP?!

[Anthony Joseph]

i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

[Chex]

i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

Posted on June 22, 2007.

Rensselaer County Legislator Kevin Harrington, a Democrat, wants to see a special prosecutor look into whether time sheets at the county dispatch center were falsified.

Harrington’s comments come after District Attorney Patricia DeAngelis, a Republican, closed the investigation when Dean Myer, a dispatcher, refused to waive his immunity when he testified before the grand jury.

Myer claimed that supervisors in the dispatch center falsified their time sheets.

Myer wouldn’t waive his immunity and DeAngelis closed the case.

“It is incomprehensible that the DA would demand that a whistle blower sign away his immunity from prosecution before testifying before a grand jury.

A cooperating witness is normally encouraged to testify and, under state law, has automatic immunity,” stated Harrington, a member of the Legislature’s Public Safety & Judiciary Committee, in a release today.

“I can only conclude that the DA did this deliberately and has no intention of allowing potentially damaging sworn testimony to be heard by the grand jury. I, therefore, believe that a special District Attorney should be impaneled to review this case and permit the testimony of the whistle blower with the same procedural immunity of any grand jury witness.

Once given, let the grand jury weigh the credibility of the testimony and act according,” Harrington continued. http://blog.timesunion.com/localpolitics/373/special-prosecutor-needed/

A grand jury in North Carolina Tuesday declined to indict a Charlotte police officer for voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of an unarmed man this past September. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/22/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-nc-officer-in-shooting-unarmed-man/ typical grand jury has 18 members.

IC 35-34-2-2
Number; impaneling; scope of function and authority; convening
Sec. 2. (a) A grand jury shall consist of six (6) grand jurors and one (1) alternate and may be impaneled by the circuit court or a superior court with criminal jurisdiction. A grand jury shall hear and examine evidence concerning crimes and shall take action with respect to this evidence as provided by law. (b) The court shall call the grand jury into session at the request of the prosecuting attorney.

Grand Jury California is served by a grand jury system that provides a grand jury in each county empowered by law to bring indictments or perform an oversight function into the operation of county and municipal governments. Federal grand juries and county grand juries in most other states are concerned only with criminal indictments and have no civil responsibilities. http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/grandjury/grandjury.shtml


Grand juries shall consist of fifteen persons who satisfy the qualifications of a juror specified in section 2313.17 of the Revised Code. Persons to serve as grand jurors in the court of common pleas of each county shall be selected from the persons whose names are contained in the annual jury list . http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2939

A grand jury consists of 12 or 23 members in addition to four alternates. At any meeting of a grand jury at least nine grand jurors constitutes a quorum. (CRS 13-72-102). http://www.courts.state.co.us/Media/Alert_Docs/grand_juries.pdf

The United States is the only common law jurisdiction in the world that continues to use the grand jury to screen criminal indictments. Generally speaking, a grand jury may issue an indictment for a crime, also known as a "true bill," only if it finds based upon the evidence that has been presented to it that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed by a criminal suspect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States

Paul Boyden, a member of the Statewide Association of Prosecutors, said that Utah law currently gives no clear standards for judges to apply when trying to determine if a grand jury is the appropriate course of action. In addition, there’s no outlet for prosecutors to appeal to if the judges deny a request for a grand jury hearing. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57390648-78/grand-jury-prosecutors-state.html.csp

Traditionally, grand juries served as a shield between unjust prosecution by the state and the individual. Grand juries serve dual functions. The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual. 1 To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers. 2 In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given. 3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information"). 4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials. http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/RHandbook01.nsf/1119bd38ae090a748525676f0053b606/badd5b4fce22d788852569cb004cc254!OpenDocument

[Chex]

Thursday, January 23, 2014 If Congress really wants fewer problems at the IRS, there's plenty it can do — starting by looking in the mirror.

That's right. In a dubious effort to punish the IRS, Congress gave it $11.3 billion in this year's catch-all spending bill, the agency's lowest allocation since it got $11.1 billion in 2008. Though the IRS has more work, more taxpayers and a more complex tax code to administer, Congress has carved almost $1 billion out of the agency's budget in the past four years. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/01/22/irs-budget-taxpayers-tax-code-1040-editorials-debates/4785639/

Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGizlBE-u10&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1 Flat tax on sales tax maybe but income is another story.

Nonetheless, we need the IRS to enforce tax laws, { Start with congressional laws} stop and prevent fraud, {start obeying the laws} prepare forms and instructions, process refunds, collect revenue and assist taxpayers in complying with tax obligations. U.S. Representative Ander Crenshaw from Florida's 4th district, Republican party. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/01/22/irs-2014-omnibus-appropriations-act--editorials-debates/4785059/

THe evidence I have that proves that Name is not mine but I am a MERE USER of said property begins with the BC. The BC certificate I requested had a letter sent that stated BC FOR JOHN SMITH. No where on that BC is MY signature. It has a state seal signed by an official trustee for the state. It is a certified COPY where the state retains the original document - held in trust where the state receives benefit. I, a man can not have that original document. PERIOD. If I were the owner of MY PROPERTY NAME, then the state must turn that document over to me. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1084-What-s-in-a-NAME/page3&p=12733#post12733

you have these tools (person, SSN, BC, Last Name, etc.) at your disposal if you choose to use them

no one else has a right to use these tools, created for your specific use, as you would, when and if you choose to use them

these 'things' are your property

no one else has a right to administer or take your property without your consent
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1084-What-s-in-a-NAME&p=12733&viewfull=1#post12733


a claim can only be made in living voice by man

one who makes said claim is fully liable for it

a false claim is one which is pursued with full knowledge that no harm or injury is done to a man - non-verifiable

a man can only harm another man

nothing in the 2nd dimension can be harmed

nothing in the second dimension can make a claim

common law is the supreme law of the land

common law requires that there must be a wrong of harm, injury or breach done by one man against another for a true and proper claim to exist

a man requires (demands by authority and by right) a proper claim brought in common law so he may settle and make restitution to the man aggrieved, if the claim be true

if no agreement can be made, the controversy will be heard and judged by a jury of 24 people who are God's representatives on earth

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1080-Consent-to-Service-of-Process&p=12680&viewfull=1#post12680

[Anthony Joseph]

you're confusing property with ownership

you're confusing your name with a piece of paper

by the way; what happens when one demands the original live birth record, or whatever "original" birth document someone seeks out, that is being "held in trust"?

usual response: "we need a court order to release that document"

there is your answer

[David Merrill]

Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order? [Pun intended.]

[Chex]

Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order?

Then its time to get that court order.

[Chex]

you're confusing property with ownership, you're confusing your name with a piece of paper there is your answer

Your right AJ because the property is in my name I don't own it, OK get that court order.

It’s the NATURE OF OBLIGATION; REDEMPTION.

[Anthony Joseph]

if you seek out another court for said order, you already lost

[Chex]

if you seek out another court for said order, you already lost

I don't own it, I already lost, Ok.

[Anthony Joseph]

both your points are true

[doug555]

Then its time to get that court order.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/does-frn-usage-undermine-grand-jury (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/does-frn-usage-undermine-grand-jury)

And it is also time to get the "Common Law Grand Jury (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org)" pool out of the FED so they can truly be neutral jurists, that is, not "controllable/liable/compromised" by having a conflict of interest by being in implied contract with the FED via FRN Usage.

And judging by the urgency of this article (https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_state_of_our_nation_the_greatest_threat_to_our _freedoms_is_the_gov) and title of this new book (http://www.amazon.com/Government-Wolves-Emerging-American-Police-ebook/dp/B00DDZS358/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1), it is time to do it RIGHT NOW (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/comment/219#comment-219)!

This new "free" jury pool could really benefit from this group here, and from http://www.lawfulmoneytrust.com/ (http://www.lawfulmoneytrust.com/)

[Anthony Joseph]

"they" (the people of 'National Liberty Alliance) should start by not mixing/confusing jurisdictions within the writings "they" present

[doug555]

"they" (the people of 'National Liberty Alliance) should start by not mixing/confusing jurisdictions within the writings "they" present

Correct! They need our help in that regard... I am trying...

[Anthony Joseph]

Correct! They need our help in that regard... I am trying...

if "they" listen, and act accordingly, "they", and we, will owe you, Doug, a debt of gratitude

thank you for your efforts

[Moxie]

"they" (the people of 'National Liberty Alliance) should start by not mixing/confusing jurisdictions within the writings "they" present

I'm glad others see this, too. This is why I have hesitated to get involved.

How will one measure how much the other jurors know about freedom? (I wonder)

[doug555]

Claims of Legitimacy - US vs CLGJ

See post #3 in this NLA forum thread (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/does-frn-usage-undermine-grand-jury).

Hopefully, we can see that an issue of legitimacy initially exists in the eyes of those who are being confronted with this institution known as the Common Law Grand Jury (CLGJ). What is it, why it is even needed today?

Below is a copy of post #3 in the above thread, for your convenience, that may help address this issue of LEGITIMACY of the CFLGJ:



Executive Takeover April 15, 1861 vs CLGJ - George Mason's prediction certainly was confirmed when the "General Government", in particular, the Executive Branch, by presidential proclamation (executive order), "summoned both Houses of Congress to meet in their respective Chambers on the 4th of July, 1861, instant." See https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8BdR0w2oZY_RXVwVlRnT3FlOTQ&usp=sharing

From research compiled by Dominick Vincentini, April 19, 1996, in his "Chronology of Freedom", Third Edition, 1998, it appears that this overthrow of the original organic federation of republic states under the Articles of Confederation began initially on June 18, 1787, when Alexander Hamilton proposed his plan for a national government to the Constitutional convention which had convened on May 14, 1787. Hamilton's plan was in direct violation of the intent of the convention which was convened "for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/const04.asp)" (see ConCon-1787-3-3.pdf in above folder).

The unauthorized product of said convention, known as the "Constitution for the United States" was used to authorize a federal government, which thereafter was taken over as stated above, which further eroded its claim to legitimacy of consent of the people.

So, perhaps the below could be added to the CLGJ Declarations to support its own claim to legitimacy:

WHEREAS, the institution known as the "common law grand jury", by its ancient traditions in both England and Europe, has much greater claim to legitimacy than the purported federal government chartered under said unauthorized document known as the "Constitution for the United States", and operating solely under its Executive Branch since April 15, 1861 without lawful consent of the people;

Therefore, BE IT RESOLVED, that, in accordance with the ancient traditions of common law and to restore and preserve the organic Union under the still-in-force Articles of Confederation, the people on the land known as _________ county, do hereby ordain and establish that a common law grand jury be reinstated to re-establish justice and mercy for all people in their redress of grievances against all parties, especially those parties who, under the color of law, perpetrate legalized plunder upon the people whose rights and property they are sworn to protect and defend, and to defuse the tensions that currently exist between the people and the purported government that are endangering our peace and security.

[doug555]

GRAND JURY FRN JEOPARDY

http://www.meetup.com/National-Liberty-Alliance-Buncombe-County-North-Carolina/messages/boards/thread/41549882 (http://www.meetup.com/National-Liberty-Alliance-Buncombe-County-North-Carolina/messages/boards/thread/41549882)

An attempt to expose a very real "Achille's heel"... The power of [implied] contract via FRN usage!

[David Merrill]

I'm glad others see this, too. This is why I have hesitated to get involved.

How will one measure how much the other jurors know about freedom? (I wonder)


I am reminded afresh about the caliber of Member this forum can attract! Thank you all for leading to this stirring post.

I have three experiences all in the mid-'90's.


1) I was a juror on the Wichita Common Law Grand Jury.
2) I was chief justice presiding on a grand jury in Campo, Colorado.
3) I sat on a grand jury in Albuquerque, and in turn brought my Libel of Review before them to hear a writ of mandamus.

To your point though, I recall an attorney named Darrell FRECK was very active in forming these juries and was doing the best he could, and actually getting participation of hundreds of intelligent people who had complete faith that we were doing what was right, correct and constructive patriotism.

My example in point, addressing your post was swearing in jurists. Darrell was administering an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States! I mentioned the conundrum around the Preamble People and watched Darrell wrestle with his attorney training and sometimes the most intriguing issues would emerge between jurists, who in turn would hash out these mental boundaries we were both exploring and violating - pressing the envelope and developing, rediscovering and exploring.

Your post brings back the memory. Also it refreshes my feeling that this is an individual adventure and the social precept of being learned in the law to be competent adults according to the 'saving to suitors' clause is like herding cats at best.

In other words the Kingdom of God is the sensation I receive whenever I radiate it. If we all could do that together we would all be living in the Kingdom of God.

I marked a line in my A Course in Miracles text, in ACIM Class yesterday:


Your inheritance awaits only the recognition that you have been redeemed.

In the perfection of Love then we can hold a true course even while we have different thoughts. Notice the commonality is emotion when reverse engineering Science of Mind:

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[Moxie]

like herding cats


One of my favorite similes -- you speak my language! :)

The rest was like a five-course meal: satisfying on many levels, much to digest. ;-)

[David Merrill]

According to ACIM the only proper use of judgment is based in how you feel - emotionally. Joy is Love. Anything else is Fear.


1996-06-19 Doc 23 Named as : Writ of Absolute Mandamus (Motion) by plaintiff David Van Pelt in pleading he is referring to himself as David Merrill for default judgment against Robert Rubin (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImOWMwMjUxZTYtZmViNy00NmI1LWEyNzItMDgxY zFkZWMxNmVi/edit?usp=sharing) before Judge Wiley Y. Daniel (former empl) (Entered: 06/19/1996)

1997-04-15 Doc 24 ORDER by Judge Wiley Y. Daniel denying motion for default judgment against Robert Rubin [23-1]; the clerk shall take the necessary steps to close this case (cc: all counsel) ; entry date : 4/17/97 (lam) (Entered: 04/17/1997)

Interestingly it was in 1999 without any grand jury, using the USGS docs (http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2883/monumentsmounthermon.jpg) that had impact with Secretary RUBIN.


P.S. You can add RECAP (PACER backwards) to your browser and search the federal court publications for free. NOTICE: RECAP it turns out is not free. It loads to "Public Archives" and is free from there but PACER charges for the initial download! RECAP appears to move your files into a public domain folder. I find this interesting should you relate this to this thread's topic.

Someone has figured out that government is a public domain. Why do people pay for this government publication service?

Recently a couple suitors are being met with a process server being refused at a Federal Reserve Bank! Interesting...

Public or Private?


Furthermore quoting from Beyond Kabbalah; The Teachings that Cannot Be Taught by Joel David BAKST; page 400, Footnote 404:


As known in the Kabbalah, the term "public domain" refers to the unilinear sefirotic structure before the tikun and the term "private domain" refers to the rectified restructuring of the Sefirot into the three columned, i.e., balanced, partzufim (http://www.aura-soma-ireland.com/tolwords.jpg).

[Moxie]

This is me still digesting the last two posts:

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....participation of hundreds of intelligent people who had complete faith that we were doing what was right, correct and constructive patriotism.

.....sometimes the most intriguing issues would emerge between jurists, who in turn would hash out these mental boundaries we were both exploring and violating - pressing the envelope and developing, rediscovering and exploring.

....it refreshes my feeling that this is an individual adventure and the social precept of being learned in the law to be competent adults according to the 'saving to suitors' clause is like herding cats at best.


This sounds like the dynamics of RuSA: people grasp the basic freedom concepts yet have different perceptions on how the group should proceed. Then people have different views of the creator: some are casual deists, others study holy scriptures, some are indifferent. So all these differences create a wobbly foundation for group problem-solving. Here, kitty kitty! Perhaps freedom is an individual adventure.


In other words the Kingdom of God is the sensation I receive whenever I radiate it. If we all could do that together we would all be living in the Kingdom of God.

This would be ideal.


In the perfection of Love then we can hold a true course even while we have different thoughts.
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