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allodial
03-07-15, 04:58 AM
ALLAH – the Moon God
The Archaeology of the Middle East (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm)
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The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

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In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

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The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

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Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaeans). They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be. . . a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?[Source (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm)]


It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located. [Source (http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm)]

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Related:

ALLAH – the Moon God: The Archaeology of the Middle East (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm)
Daughter Gate": Allah's Daughters: el-Lat, el-Uzza and Manat (http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm)
The Sabaeans and Himyarites of Yemen were not Arabs
(http://phoenicia.org/sabaeans.html)Daughters of Allah (http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Daughters%20of%20Allah.html)
The Archaeological Record Speaks (http://www.nccg.org/islam/Islam01-Allah.html)
The Worship of the Moon (http://www.varchive.org/itb/moonwor.htm)

BLBereans
03-08-15, 04:32 PM
Nimrod was consecrated as the "Sun God" by his wife ('Semiramis') when she took the reins of rule over Babylon after Nimrod's death. Her created religion is the original Mystery Babylon from which ALL other religions/cults/mythologies/etc. are derived. She exalted herself as the "Moon Goddess" and declared herself a deity to be worshiped. Hence the title "Queen of Heaven", the direct antithesis of our Father in Heaven.

Religion of Babylon (http://aletheia.consultronix.com/6.html)

Moon worship is the culmination of the rebelliousness started by Nimrod who was relegated to obscurity after his death other than supplying the "divine rays" through which Semiramis became impregnated with the 'divine son' Tammuz. This is why 'Moon Worship' overtook 'Sun Worship' and why the crescent moon symbol became a mainstay in religions derived from this worship.

Roman Catholic religion (https://www.google.com/search?q=crescent+moon+symbol+in+roman+catholic+ch urch&biw=1536&bih=742&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mXT8VNBXxNw9pOCAkAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ)

Therefore, "Allah" as the "Moon God" makes sense according to the timelines provided in allodial's postings; "Moon Worship" had already been established at the time of "Mohammed's" declaration, and transformation, of the name "Allah" as the "one god of Islam".

The current narrative regarding who is practicing the "Real Islam" is upside down in my opinion. I believe the so-called "Islamic Extremists" are the true adherents to the teachings of "Mohammed" and his "Koran" and the majority of non-violent 'muslims' are people who know deep down that murder and forced submission is wrong. Therefore, they are really "neo-islamic" and do not follow the example of "Mohammed".

Contrast that with Jesus The Christ; people who do NOT follow His example fall short of being adherents of "The Way"; a state that most self-proclaimed "Christians" fall under even in some cases without knowing it.

It is an interesting dichotomy indeed, thanks again allodial.

shikamaru
03-08-15, 05:01 PM
The current narrative regarding who is practicing the "Real Islam" is upside down in my opinion. I believe the so-called "Islamic Extremists" are the true adherents to the teachings of "Mohammed" and his "Koran" and the majority of non-violent 'muslims' are people who know deep down that murder and forced submission is wrong. Therefore, they are really "neo-islamic" and do not follow the example of "Mohammed".

Contrast that with Jesus The Christ; people who do NOT follow His example fall short of being adherents of "The Way"; a state that most self-proclaimed "Christians" fall under even in some cases without knowing it.


1. Christianity was spread by the sword. Remember Charlemagne and his conquest of Western Europe along with promotion of Christianity throughout the conquered territories? That was all promulgated by the sword.

2. Let's not forget Christianity's role in colonialism, slavery, torture, racism, and warfare throughout Europe and the world.

3. European history is rich with examples of extremism in Christianity. The United States have some examples as well to toss into the ring.

BLBereans
03-08-15, 05:33 PM
1. Christianity was spread by the sword. Remember Charlemagne and his conquest of Western Europe along with promotion of Christianity throughout the conquered territories? That was all promulgated by the sword.

2. Let's not forget Christianity's role in colonialism, slavery, torture, racism, and warfare throughout Europe and the world.

"Charlemagne's method is military conquest followed by forced conversion and the planting of missionary outposts, usually in the form of bishoprics. In his book of rules, the official punishment for refusing to be baptized is death." (http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa20)

Sound familiar?

Your reflex response is typical of those who presume "Christianity", as promoted and practiced by the "Holy Roman Church", is synonymous with the teachings of Jesus The Christ.

That was my point if you actually read what I wrote; those who murder and forcefully submit others to ANY religion are NOT following the true faith as taught by Jesus The Christ. Jesus NEVER instructed His followers to "take up the sword" and implement forced submission unto God around the world. True believers in Christ are peace makers and make a willing choice to worship the true pre-existent Creator of ALL things, YHWH ("I AM that I AM").

Slavery, torture, racism and warfare for the purpose of converting non-believers are ALL against the true teachings of our Lord and Savior, Jesus The Christ. Anyone who practices these things are NOT true believers; the "Pope" is NOT the "Vicar of Christ" as there is no "go-between" for His true followers.

Anyone who believes and follows Jesus The Christ (The Way) is a member of God's set-apart family of Yis'rael (NOT the STATE OF ISRAEL) regardless of ethnicity or race. This is a voluntary choice, not a forced conversion by the edge of a sword or the barrel of a gun.

Can the same be said for "mohammed", the founder of Islam?

BLBereans
03-08-15, 06:41 PM
The Crusades, Christianity, and Islam (http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/06/inventing-the-crusades)

The modern narrative regarding "The Crusades" is yet another way to obscure the truth regarding the true followers of "mohammed" and Islam. The violent "jihadists" adhere to the same practices of the founder and creator of the religion of Islam - 'submission' not peace. The "Crusades" were mostly a defensive response to the offensive invading armies of Islam into the lands of "Christendom".

Obviously, I believe there is more to the violence of "jihadists" than pure religious fanaticism; there are forces behind the scene funding both sides as a tactic of distraction. Using easily brainwashed and weak-minded people to meet a certain end has been commonplace for eons.

allodial
03-08-15, 08:21 PM
A Muslim Freemason admitted that many pretend to be Christian while practicing Islam in secret and have done so throughout history. Asserting an inside view he stated that for the most part Freemasons practice Islam in secret while outwardly pretending to be Christians. He even stated that many pretend Christian churches were run by Freemasons. He also gave a kind of impression that Muslims believe themselves to be "the true Jews" (thus the no eating pork, Halal meat, etc.). That might explain the hostility toward non-Muslims who hold themselves out to be Jews.

So, I asked him if all that were true, how could he blame Christians for anything knowing that even he himself pretends to be Christian knowing that the Bible doesn't promote spread of the gospel by military means. The look on his face ...
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was to say the least unusual. What came to mind was a cyclic redundancy error on an old 80s home computer.

Nowhere in the Bible is there any support of spreading the Gospel by sword. It is PSYOPs against true bible-believers and has been for centuries.

As for self-defense, the Barbary Treaties were catalyzed by frequent Muslim raids of ships and countries whereby Muslims would take people into slavery. I was surprised to find that Muslims and Arabs were the predominant slave traders. The notion that Muslims subjected African Christians to slavery is not far-fetched.

There is reasonable evidence that those on Christopher Columbus' ships who were keen on slave trade weren't Christians and that there were those who renounced their Catholic beliefs to profiteer from slavery.

In the past many years, the Bible has been falsely made out to be about a "White Man's" religion or a "slave master" religions. From decades of analysis, this was deception to undermine the strength of "Black" and "White" Christian communities--to destroy them one way or another. Look at the communities today. One of the saddest deceptions foisted on young Black men is the idea that they'd find think they would find freedom and equality among Arabs or Arab religions (i.e. among the primary slave traders and perpetrators of that kind of bigotry).

One pro-communist, Islamist I know of spoke of how much stronger Black families and communities were in the 60s and early 70s. The two major trends were that Islam and Pop culture (feminism, etc.) started taking hold and eroding the moral and spiritual strength and foundations of those communities.

2325 (http://shoebat.com/2015/03/04/egypt-as-muslim-construction-workers-shout-allahu-akbar-coptic-monks-lie-down-in-front-of-bulldozer-to-protect-ancient-christian-monastery/)
EGYPT: As Muslim Construction Workers Shout “Allahu Akbar,” Coptic Monks Lie Down In Front Of Bulldozer To Protect Ancient Christian Monastery


If it were a European religion someone forgot to tell the Christians of Africa--they've been at it since around 42AD and hundreds of years before Constantine was even born.



One of the most bizarre manifestations of African-American pride is its contemporary identification with Islam. The Nation of Islam (Black Muslim movement) plays on the racism against black people by white people hence you hear them use terms like "white devils", etc.

The Muslim Hadith says Muhammad was a white man, so Black Muslims actually serve Islamic whites, even though they speak against whites. [Source (http://www.bibleprobe.com/blackmuslims.htm)]

Not to mention that there Mohammed's wife (Khadija) may have been Jewish (http://www.thechristiansolution.com/doc2013/586_Khadija.html)!


Khadija - was the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad.A follower of Judaism, according to traditions she became the first female convert to Islam, the new religion Muhammad had begun to preach. She was approximately 15 years his senior when she proposed the idea of marriage. She married him in 595. She supported him throughout his mission and such was his love for her that he took no other wife until after her death. The year of her death has been named the "Year of Grief", because of the devastation it caused the Prophet. She was his only wife for about 25 years until her death.

Related:

Black Muslims (http://www.bibleprobe.com/blackmuslims.htm)*
So What Is the Truth About the Crusades (http://www.christian-community.org/library/crusades.html)
The Dark History of the Templars (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/templars/knights_templars01.htm) (Where the Templars really Bible-Christians?)
Barbary Slave Trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade)
White Slaves, African Slave Traders, and the Hidden History of Slavery (http://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/index.html)

BLBereans
03-08-15, 09:32 PM
"It was in Babel that we see that Nimrod may have been the first post-alluvial mason. He used his skill of masonry to build a brick tower in rebellion against YHWH. At that time, the whole earth spoke one language and had the same understanding as handed down by Noah. Then God said that as one people united in language and thinking, they will be able to accomplish whatever they set their minds to. This is the prototype of the One World Order. One government, one thinking and one way of doing things. YHWH put a stop to it by sending confusion through the scrambling of their language so that they were not able to understand one another. "

Source (http://aletheia.consultronix.com/4.html)

The first Mason, the first earthly Baal in allegiance to the Satan.

In an attempt to counterfeit the gathering back, or reclaiming, of the Nations described in the book of Acts at Pentecost, the rebellious one wishes to do the same as a result of the scattering event at Babel.

One World. One Religion. One Order.

The amalgamation of religion and "New Age" esoterism (nothing "new" about mysticism) will reunite the ALL the rebellious as One People - as it was attempted by Nimrod in Babylon.

allodial
03-08-15, 09:43 PM
Exactly. There are those who believe themselves to be 'gathering in the souls' or doing the 'sheparding of souls' with the mindset of having rejected the true shepard.

BLBereans
03-08-15, 10:28 PM
To take it a step further...

Serpent Gnosticism (http://jesus-messiah.com/w-preach/wp-nt-17.html)

"Secret Knowledge" is the foundation of religions derived from Nimrod's Babylon. I guess he was also the first "Gnostic" earthly leader. The "archon" Sophia is also a worshiped "goddess" (Like Semiramis) who gave birth to the Demiurge which gnostics refer to as YHWH, the angry God who withheld knowledge from Adam and Eve.

BLBereans
03-08-15, 11:33 PM
It is interesting that both Judaism and Islam acknowledge Jesus The Christ, what He did and what He said. Both, however, deny that He is who He said He was (God incarnate) while not being able to refute the extraordinary miracles He performed. The Pharisees claimed He did these works by the power of Satan, while Mohammed claimed Jesus was the greatest prophet, besides himself, but was misguided by claiming to be God incarnate.

The denial of Jesus the Christ's Divinity is central in all belief systems outside of the true faith. So, essentially there are only two faiths:

1) Those who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ

2) Those who do not believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ

Choose your flavor; the customs and names may change, but it is all the same rebellious act of denying the true God of Creation.

Robert Henry
03-08-15, 11:33 PM
An interesting alternative theory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOANEM4JN6s

Though this presentation is a bit over the top in the way of fear-porn for my taste, still I find it uncomfortably thought provoking.

I would be most curious to hear MJ's take on this theory.

BLBereans
03-09-15, 12:14 AM
Within the first 2 minutes of the video, there is a fatal error regarding the word "Elohim". That is NOT a name for God; there are instances where demons and the spirits of the dead are referred to as elohim. An elohim is simply a being whose proper habitation is the spirit world. God is an elohim, but not all elohim are God; He is species unique and Creator of All things, including the other elohim.

So What Exactly is an Elohim? (http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/What%20is%20an%20Elohim.pdf)

The video also claims the wife of "Saturn" as being "Rhea". Rhea is the Greek name for the goddess Semiramis who was the sister/wife of Kronos.

Nimrod=Kronos=Saturn. That pretty well explains the rest of the "fear-porn" video.

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 12:51 AM
That was my point if you actually read what I wrote; those who murder and forcefully submit others to ANY religion are NOT following the true faith as taught by Jesus The Christ. Jesus NEVER instructed His followers to "take up the sword" and implement forced submission unto God around the world. True believers in Christ are peace makers and make a willing choice to worship the true pre-existent Creator of ALL things, YHWH ("I AM that I AM").

Slavery, torture, racism and warfare for the purpose of converting non-believers are ALL against the true teachings of our Lord and Savior, Jesus The Christ. Anyone who practices these things are NOT true believers; the "Pope" is NOT the "Vicar of Christ" as there is no "go-between" for His true followers.

Anyone who believes and follows Jesus The Christ (The Way) is a member of God's set-apart family of Yis'rael (NOT the STATE OF ISRAEL) regardless of ethnicity or race. This is a voluntary choice, not a forced conversion by the edge of a sword or the barrel of a gun.

Amen. In fact I would say that Buddists are closer to following Jesus CHRIST than modern day Christianity. Modern day Religion with their "dogs of war" mentality promoted to them by their war demi-gods screaming out GOD BLESS AMERICA - away with it. It is REPUGNANT.

Symbols are a way of conveying thought patterns thru time. Unfortunately folks begin to worship the symbol and not what it means. For instance I see folks today dunking and sprinkling and all sorts of nonsense calling it Baptism and yet in no way shape or manner was the symbolic language in the Gospels indicating that one should go to a bathtub or pool and be immersed in water. The WATER is the Truth of God. Baptism is by FIRE - which is to say by the Holy Spirit.

In fact the Holy Spirit thru the writer of Hebrews indicates - just quit all the nonsense - LEAVING the principal doctrines lets move on. Yet those on the spoon fed symbols don't realize they are worshiping Baal by lifting up the symbol as part of their traditions in religion. Another great one is SABBATH.

Modern day religion is so far from the truth of Sabbath as to argue over Saturday or Sunday. I mean if this is not blindness I don't know what is. Sabbath is about coming to REST - the 7th day - man becomes Man. Said another way man is RE-GENERATED or RE-CREATED into Man - which is to say a Celestial Man. One can only come to Sabbath in the Upper Room. No unclean or impure thought can reside in the temple. Therefore no fear, no doubt, no uncleanness abides in the temple. Here there is Rest.

I and the Father are One. Am is present tense. Therefore AM is added. Father's character is "I". For the Kingdom is Within me. Therefore I shall have no other gods before ME. I shall shut out the "men of Sodom" close the door upon the Carnal Mind - which is to say Satan. Before the stones begin to fly - Notice that we are "thought beings". You might consider that carefully.

Read John 1:1 until you get it. Uranus is chasing Jupiter away. The control systems are on the way out. When folks begin to understand that Christ has returned and can be found WITHIN them - the pastors who seek to dominate and control will be out of a job. They will not take too kindly to the message. Nor will the religious for their concept of Salvation is faulty. Unfortunately most have no clue of the Left Hand in Charity or the Right Hand in Knowledge [The House that Wisdom Built].

Therefore SAVIORS are required. Jesus was FIRST of the FIRSTFRUITS plural.

Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Jesus was the ENSIGN - the guide. Christ condescended to flesh in Christ JESUS. Jesus was just like any one of us as he had to be and yet folks go around like a bunch of silly cheerleaders in their vain imaginations. If Jesus was not like me in EVERY WAY - then forget it, I don't want another minute of this mess. But he was just like me and Jesus does not show how great He is - he showed how great WE CAN BE. Shall we listen to Jesus:

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, HE DOETH THE WORKS.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now then, Jesus is EXACTLY like me in every way and the Father was in Jesus. Jesus knew where to find the Father so that they might EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD - Spiritual Passover. So that Jesus might find Rest - Sabbath. Let the clowns argue over a day. You find rest in Meditation and that can be EVERY DAY. And should be. Un-Leavened bread is God's Truth - the Heavenly Waters. And yet Religion has most thinking that God lives on some planet way out there in Space or perhaps in another universe. How Absurd. Then as I wait in the Upper Room then as promised I shall be Baptized by the Holy Spirit in Fire. But I must FIRST be washed in Truth. And I sure ain't gonna find that truth in 51000 denominations!

Daniel prayed thrice daily. 1st = Passover; 2nd = Pentecost; 3rd = Tabernacles. It is humorous to this writer than folks are looking for Pentecost and Passover has yet to be celebrated. The kingdom is WITHIN - end of story. Every one out here walking around in Religion is DEAD. From God's perspective these are all dead - spiritually deader than a doornail. To become alive is to be born in the Spirit - which means one is Baptized in the Upper Room.

Very few find this Upper Room BECAUSE they are too busy trying to find God in their own intellect and emotion. These are actually traveling 180 degrees AWAY FROM GOD. But these think they are pleasing God as they seek in their own undertakings. These are Cain. And Father said to Cain - Sin lies at the door. Therefore these remain dead in Spirit and the sword of the Lord - The Word - slays them.

Starting to get it yet? These are their own worst enemy!

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So pick your flavor - it doesn't matter - The Way is narrow and few find it. FEW FIND IT. Give away the stone and you will find.

The Abomination that causes Desolation dawned on me recently. It was the Horror that I stand in my own way - My Ego keeps me out of the Garden - it is the Gate Keeper that keeps me from the Garden planted EASTWARD in Eden. East is at the Right side of the House.

The Kingdom does not come by Observation

The preacher man told me I had to have faith but when I asked him to define faith he failed miserably! Faith is EARNED by relationship. I mean stop and think, one day you took your car to be fixed and you tried a mechanic that came recommended by a friend you trust. You have faith in your friend so you went on faith. The mechanic did a good job so you came back. He EARNED your faith which is to say your trust.

But preacher man told me to put my blind faith in something that he himself is unclear about. In fact I looked at his life and he was a more miserable lot than I was. So I considered and I found that the preacher was propounding his own VAIN IDEAS of Christ. He was not obeying Jesus CHRIST. On the contrary! These are RULERS of Sodom. Overlords of the Carnal Mind - just pay us each week and we will make you FEEL BETTER. Got our fix of religion this week - replace Preacher with DRUG PUSHER and it comes into perfect light.

Isa 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

And the preacher man stood up and said "I talked to Godddddddd" last night. But he testifies against himself to be a thief and a robber!

Jer_14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

They all got together and said - "What do you think it means" - that is what they teach! Thinking themselves holy and set-apart these are Agents of Satan in the pulpit - pleasing the ears of the congregation - singing a lullaby - Go to sleep little babe. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94h2L9oBOHM)


Isa 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Isa 52:2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.


Mal 4:2 But unto you that revere my way shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in Her wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.




CONTINUING....

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 12:52 AM
CONTINUING...


Picture a loving mother with a baby on her paps feeding of her own body and you will come to see the love of God for you! There is no trite bottle - some sort of substitution. No sir - Like begets Like - God Kind! Fed by God - Herself: Wisdom births the man-child in the Spirit. Amen.


Heb_3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

You will not find this sustenance at the feet of Pastor. Do you gather in The WAY that Christ commands or do you just play games and say we gather in his name as some sort of cheerleader? "Go Jesus" - Yippee! Do you think God wants your cheers? These are UNCLEAN desires birthed out of the intercourse of mind and emotion [Jacob and Leah] and will keep you from a face to face relationship with Christ and God THIS DAY. Still, Rachel weeps in her loneliness. Where are her children?


Act 17:25 Neither is [God] worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Jesus was ADAMANTLY against organized religion but men wish to define, confine and restrict the Limitless - so they build their houses of vanity and all go there to pat each other on the back just to feel good about themselves. Clearly the Spirit is in these houses, right? Not in a million years!

So for those who are recoiling in shock - answer me this one - show me the authority in the old testament whereof John the Baptist baptized? The Pope, Pastor, and Rabbi could not answer Jesus and neither can you. And yet Jesus submitted to it in an outward show of his turning his back against organized religion!

What say ye? Will you obey Christ or the gatekeepers? A flood is upon us. But the waters of the deep have yet to be released. BUILD YOUR ARK. Christ has returned - Within you!

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Luk 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

Don't be a reader, be a DOER. Now what is this Salvation? What are we Saved FROM? The incredible answer is OURSELVES! How long will you go trying to figure it all out? I can guarantee you will not live long enough!

Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

The Is-Ra-El of God is the renewed Mind in submission to The El. IS=Spirit; RA = Mind; EL = God. Rachel bring forth your children! And call this land BEULAH - married.

Isa_62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.


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A paradox therefore exists. I submit my free will to Christ and Father. I then become as a CHILD - acknowledging that I am ignorant, blind and without wisdom. I am met in the Upper Room taught and baptized and then I am given back my free will to go forth and create for the Kingdom of God.

Let me be blunt folks - Moses NEVER climbed a physical mountain. He sat in meditation and ascended in consciousness from Earth to Spirit. And he was then sent to work with those that are earthly. Those that are earthly - carnal - cannot see. They have a veil over their eyes. This veil leads to literal interpretations of the Symbolic Language - and this is where religion comes from and this is why we have wars because the Word is MISINTERPRETED by those who refuse to ascend the mountain. Why that is Eastern. And we be from the West.

Judah - New Jerusalem - camps in the East - SPIRIT [CHOSEN PEOPLE] ===> Right
Ephraim camps in the West - Intellect [WALKING DEAD] ====> Left
Dan - Emotion
Reuben - Physical

There are not chosen or favorite races of men or women! Those who camp in the Right side of the house sacrificing on the alter their ten percent are the IS-RA-EL of I AM. And there shall be no other gods before ME.

Get lost pastor - we don't need you around this house! Now then the beggar will say but what about "where there are two or more gathered in my name".....What about that?



Where two or more are gather IN MY NAME


What do you suppose name means? It does not mean we get together and pat each other on the back and say like a bunch of silly cheerleaders "Go Jesus. Jesus, Jesus, he's our man, if he can't do it, no one can." Far from it friend.

IN MY NAME means according to The Way established by God. So if you don't know The Way then you can't gather IN HIS NAME. It's that simple. To follow Christ is to walk in The Way not to be called a silly name like Christian. That is what the usurpers did. They hijacked the way and renamed it - Christianity to fool the ignorant - I was there too friend so no judgments from this side of the court.

H8034
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she?m
shame

A primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare H8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame [-ous], name (-d), renown, report.

H7760
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s?u?m s???ym
soom, seem
A primitive root; to put (used in a great variety of applications, literally, figuratively, inferentially and elliptically): - X any wise, appoint, bring, call [a name], care, cast in, change, charge, commit, consider, convey, determine, + disguise, dispose, do, get, give, heap up, hold, impute, lay (down, up), leave, look, make (out), mark, + name, X on, ordain, order, + paint, place, preserve, purpose, put (on), + regard, rehearse, reward, (cause to) set (on, up), shew, + stedfastly, take, X tell, + tread down, ([over-]) turn, X wholly, work.

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7760 is alluding to The Way as a purpose or a USE in God. The Way is Spiritual and is in no way associated with your emotions - how you feel. Or your desires.

Psa 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in The Way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

WAY (derek) is from darak, to tread with the feet, and denotes the act of walking. Hence it is used of a going, or way, or journeying. The first occurrence is Gen_3:24. It occurs in this Psalm thirteen times : vv. Psa_119:1; Psa_119:3; Psa_119:5; Psa_119:14; Psa_119:26-27; Psa_119:29-30; Psa_119:32-33; Psa_119:37; Psa_119:59; Psa_119:168.


Question: Can the carnal man walk in God's Spiritual Law?
Answer: Absolutely NOT.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Read it again in case you didn't get it. Those who think to please God in their religion are WASTING THEIR TIME. I am reminded of a song by the band Creed. "Should have been dead on a Sunday banging my head (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSzgOl73Mrs)" - a WASTE OF TIME.

And yet the clowns call me a worthless sinner. They impose burdens on my back too grievous to bear and NEVER lift one finger to help me understand this burden. WHY: For money, For power, for fame, etc.

Eze 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

Eze 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


They do it for money, and they cover up The Way - they HIDE IT. So that you will come in your worthless sorry state BEGGING Alms at the gate because you are too blind to see that the Kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU. You don't need these clowns. In fact you don't even need a Bible - Just Do It.

Mar_14:15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Luk_22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.


In fact in most cases it is probably better than one has not been CHURCHED TO DEATH. And on and on the wheel turns - folks feeding their intellect trying to get a grasp on the mind of Christ - and thereby trying to limit the limitless. Give away the stone - else Saturn and his son Jupiter will kick your rear end. Oh you didn't know? The Gospel is written in the stars from beginning to end. But few can read it.

Yep, pastor has got them deathly afraid to look up. With hand held out and smile on face : Pay me!



May the Sun of Righteousness arise upon you.
Michael Joseph

BLBereans
03-09-15, 12:54 AM
Incidentally, the first link in allodial's initial post sums up the whole stone/cube/Kube theory...

ALLAH – the Moon God (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm)

Read the whole article and the Conclusion will shed some light. If Allah is essentially the pagan Moon God renamed/recreated by Mohammed then the "fear-porn" video is spot on in terms of the worshiped god of Islam, who is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Saturn=Nimrod=Satan by proxy

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 01:22 AM
Incidentally, the first link in allodial's initial post sums up the whole stone/cube/Kube theory...

ALLAH – the Moon God (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm)

Read the whole article and the Conclusion will shed some light. If Allah is essentially the pagan Moon God renamed/recreated by Mohammed then the "fear-porn" video is spot on in terms of the worshiped god of Islam, who is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Saturn=Nimrod=Satan by proxy

I am Abraham, I am Issac, I am Jacob - there shall be no other gods before Me. Abraham kill your son. ISSAC must be put to death - he is the symbol for Religion in this analogy; he symbolizes nationalism, or intellectualism, or traditions, basically the one thing that is so cherished that keeps one from The Way.

Abraham is Michael Joseph at the base of the mountain. I leave my ass and servants at the base of the mountain - carnal mind cannot ascend with me. I bring the unclean by 2's and the clean by 7's and ascend. I am willing to put to death religion.

I mean come on already - can you imagine if this story is true how if you were Issac. If Abraham/Sarah/Hagar are an ALLEGORY - and they are - then so are Issac and Jacob and their wives. But folks cling to there cherished religion.

Want to see?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


allegory (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory)
noun al·le·go·ry \?a-l?-?go?r-?\

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation

FOR INSTANCE: Sleeping Beauty and the 7 dwarfs - are symbols for the Spiritual Woman and the 7 Chakras.


Shalom,
MJ

BLBereans
03-09-15, 01:25 AM
In fact I would say that Buddists are closer to following Jesus CHRIST than modern day Christianity.

While I somewhat agree with your fundamental premise regarding those who practice "modern day Christianity", I find your comments a bit overstated and harsh.

Yes, the modern day "Church" overwhelmingly does not get past "Sunday School Milk", but at least they believe in the Creator/Creation paradigm and that said Creator took on flesh and came into the world to redeem us and have a personal relationship with His creation.

I would hardly consider the Buddhists to be closer followers of Jesus The Christ simply because they are better at meditation. On what do they meditate? For the most part, they meditate on reaching Nirvana which is the ultimate state of being; a belief that there is no Creator/Creation hierarchy and that All is One. In other words, Buddhists do NOT believe in our Father in Heaven who will ALWAYS be greater/higher than His Creation.

BLBereans
03-09-15, 01:42 AM
I am Abraham, I am Issac, I am Jacob - there shall be no other gods before Me. Abraham kill your son. ISSAC must be put to death - he is the symbol for Religion in this analogy; he symbolizes nationalism, or intellectualism, or traditions, basically the one thing that is so cherished that keeps one from The Way.

Abraham is Michael Joseph at the base of the mountain. I leave my ass and servants at the base of the mountain - carnal mind cannot ascend with me. I bring the unclean by 2's and the clean by 7's and ascend. I am willing to put to death religion.

I mean come on already - can you imagine if this story is true how if you were Issac. If Abraham/Sarah/Hagar are an ALLEGORY - and they are - then so are Issac and Jacob and their wives. But folks cling to there cherished religion.

Want to see?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


allegory (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory)
noun al·le·go·ry \?a-l?-?go?r-?\

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation

FOR INSTANCE: Sleeping Beauty and the 7 dwarfs - are symbols for the Spiritual Woman and the 7 Chakras.


Shalom,
MJ

Are the literal and allegorical inherently mutually exclusive?

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/galatians/4-24.htm

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=allegory

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 01:53 AM
Fundamentally, one finds the Father WITHIN one's consciousness. For Jesus Christ said the Kingdom does not come by observation and is within me and within you. Within every single human regardless of race. So where is heaven? It ain't without me, that's for sure!

Jesus taught his disciples to meditate and to take every thought captive and to literally take no thought when doing so. In fact Peter, Paul, etc were all in TRANCES when the vision came - which is to say an alienation of the mind.

Resurrection always was - even in the Old Testament. For I, even this very day, was caught up in the Air in the Clouds of higher consciousness. I left my emotion and thoughts [spotted cattle] behind.

By the way - if you understand - every single word typed and read on this website is SPOTTED CATTLE OF JACOB. For these thoughts are of man. Every single one! So let the reader beware. Don't trust this man or any other man. And by this man I mean Michael Joseph. Do your own work.

It is not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him, it is what comes out.

No doubt there is a Creator who is creating.....IN THE BEGINNINGS....making and forming.

Thus I am not waiting for Christ to return, He has returned. For everyone who will go. Yet who will listen to Christ. Why the sign of the times are so prevalent. It is so easy to observe what goes on outside of my window. It is hard indeed to listen to Jesus.

So if the Kingdom is within the temple NOT built by the hands of men. Then it consists in all of us. Christ is All and IN ALL. One day the world will awaken to this fact. Religion is a veil that blinds.

Regarding Buddhists I have no idea concerning that religion - but one thing is for sure - they don't carry guns and they don't kill folks who don't agree with them for money or land. In fact by my reading, Paul walked around with a shaved head, preaching Christ within, and wore a long robe. Of course, the shaved head is a SYMBOL for the cutting off of the thoughts of the carnal mind. The vow of the Nazzarite. Sampson's great strength was in his hair? HARDLY. How absurd!

His Hair represents The Spiritual Way - an outgrowth of the 7th - in Rest. When his hair was cut he become carnal and fleshly and his spiritual eyes were put out and he was made a SLAVE. Look around friend - how many Sampson's do you see slaving in spiritual Sodom and Egypt? Heck, this webpage exists because of that very fact.

Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 01:58 AM
In fact I would say that Buddists are closer to following Jesus CHRIST than modern day Christianity.

It depends on what you mean by Christianity? Western Syncretism? Or the stuff of many Bible-believers such as are many Pentecostals (http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=category&cid=57)? Or do you mean the Simonians/Simon Magus followers? I suspect it to be no surprise for those following after Simon Magus (unknowingly) or Isis Horus Seth mystery cults to not be following Jesus Christ. The Simonians called themselves "Christians".

Also the word worship seems to by appropriately synonymous with "service"or being in service to rather than outward or "showy" displays of bodily prostration. To worship in spirit and truth might be to serve as a core life purpose. For a son to grow up and serve his good father wouldn't likely throw off any alarms. But for someone to grow up and serve and prostrate themselves to bones or paintings....


Years later the wooden box, with its contents, was uncovered in a Vatican storeroom and handed over to one Professor Correnti for evaluation. Aside from the bones, he found some dozen small shreds of decaying fabric, colored a washed-out reddish-brown "in which still glinted purplish highlights and gold threads....Led to believe that the graffiti wall cache held a varied mix of individuals, Correnti was mildly surprised when he could find no duplication among the bones spread before him on the table, duplication such as had been quickly evident with the red wall bones" (ibid., p. 106).

As Correnti continued to examine the bones one very curious factor leapt right out at him -- every part of the skeleton was represented EXCEPT FOR THE FEET! "Only THE FEET, from the ankles down, were ENTIRELY MISSING. Not a single one of the many small bones to be found in the human foot could be seen on the table" (The Bones of Saint Peter, p. 107). How curious! There has been little or no comment from the Catholic Church on this peculiarity of the graffiti wall cache. That these bones may have been lost because of their small size is no answer because many bones from the fingers of a similar size are present -- showing how much care and devotion was used with these relics.

So WHAT is the answer? WHY are all the bones from the ankles down missing? Because when SIMON MAGUS fell from the tower he smashed his feet so badly that he died "under the hands of unskilful physicians" when they attempted to amputate his feet! These remains, found in the graffiti wall cavity, WERE THOSE OF SIMON MAGUS -- NOT the apostle Peter!

Professor Correnti determined that the bones belonged to a man between 60 and 70 years of age, about five feet seven inches tall and of heavy build -- certainly the age range of Simon Magus when he died.

Another interesting fact that came to light was that four of five of the larger bones showed an unnatural staining on their intact extremeties. "The color," comments Walsh, "was a dark, uncertain red, in spots tending to reddish-brown, the same as could be seen in the shreds of fabric found in the wooden box. All these bones, it appeared, at some time after dissolution of the flesh, had been TAKEN FROM THE EARTH and WRAPPED IN A PURPLISH, GOLD-THREADED CLOTH" (ibid., p. 107).

As well as the staining, there was soil still adhering to the bones, indicating that the body must first have been buried in the ground. Then, at some later date, the bones had been wrapped in the purple cloth and deposited in the graffiti wall. From WHAT grave had these decayed bones been lifted and WHY were they found in the graffiti wall and not in the grave where they belonged? And WHO was responsible? John Walsh inadvertently answers the last question when he says -- "But why, in the first place, had the bones been moved from the grave to the wall, and who was responsible? Constantine?" (ibid., p. 112)
...
In other words, the bones found in the graffiti wall -- those of SIMON MAGUS -- were originally lying in the central grave! Simon Magus was the original occupant of the empty grave explored by Engelbert Kirschbaum. So HOW did they come to be found in the graffiti wall? WHY were they moved?

As mentioned before, Emperor Constantine, in his efforts to stabilize the empire, decided to MERGE the prevalent PAGAN mystery religions (which he himself actually followed) with that of Christianity; and to keep both parties happy he built his new basilica OVER THE LOCATION OF SIMON MAGUS' GRAVE, centering it under the high altar. Then he MOVED THE REMAINS OF PETER from their resting place on the Appian Way, placed them in a bronze casket which, in turn, was placed in the central grave where Simon Magus lay. To make room for the casket, the remains of Simon Magus were carefully wrapped in the purple cloth and deposited in the cache in the graffiti wall to the side of the grave! Brilliant! The followers of the pagan mystery religions could worship in the basilica confident that their PETER, or INTERPRETER of the mysteries was buried below, while the Christians (who by this time were moving away from "the faith once delivered") could worship there knowing that the remains of the apostle Peter were also buried below! (Source (http://www.hope-of-israel.org/magus.html))

Its interesting that "grave worship" is still practiced in the Middle East--even among Muslims. There are those who allege Mohammed and Khadijah were guided by Rome and those who suggest that Khadijah was in on the plan to subject the Arabs to a mechanism of control--keeping Biblical-Christianity out of the picture as much as verily possible. If such were true shouldn't we find similarities?

One Islamic site speaks of "grave worship":


Grave-worship,the belief that dead awliyaa’ (“saints”) can fulfil one’s needs or help at times of distress, and calling upon them for aid. ...

Similarly, they call upon dead Prophets, righteous people and others to intercede for them or to rescue them from some calamity...

***

Also, is it not "strange" that the historical record shows time and time again, Muslims and Catholics siding against non-Catholic Christians? Consider also the bombing of Serbia and Yugoslavia.

Related:
Syncretism
Hillary Convinced Bill to Bomb Serbia (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931921/posts)
Will the Catholic Church apologize for the genocide of Serbian Orthodox Christians? (http://english.pravda.ru/history/18-01-2013/123513-catholic_church_serbian_christians-0/)

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 01:59 AM
Are the literal and allegorical inherently mutually exclusive?

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/galatians/4-24.htm

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=allegory

Answer is no. The literal leads to BONDAGE and SLAVERY and DEATH. The Allegorical leads to FREEDOM and LIFE and ETERNITY... you choose.

Therefore Paul was compelled to write:

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


The chosen of God - the Is-ra-el of God are in the Judah camped to the East.


2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


Do you want death - as most of religion does - OBVIOUSLY with their choice to read on the literal or do you want life?

So you choose. I made my choice and I am not here to convince anyone to do or not to do anything. Go according to your conscience.

Shalom,
MJ

BLBereans
03-09-15, 02:10 AM
Answer is no. The literal leads to BONDAGE and SLAVERY and DEATH. The Allegorical leads to FREEDOM and LIFE and ETERNITY... you choose.

Therefore Paul was compelled to write:

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


The chosen of God - the Is-ra-el of God are in the Judah camped to the East.


2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


Do you want death - as most of religion does - OBVIOUSLY with their choice to read on the literal or do you want life?

So you choose. I made my choice and I am not here to convince anyone to do or not to do anything. Go according to your conscience.

Shalom,
MJ

Easy big fella.

My only point is that why does the understanding of the allegory require one to dismiss the possibility that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob actually lived lives on earth?

Sounds a bit like the denial of the existence of matter (the existence of the material world) all together. That is also the premise of those that adhere to gnostic/esoteric teachings; the entire material world being inherently evil from its inception - all matter is illusion and evil.

I cannot get a firm grasp of your beliefs so I apologize ahead of time if I am misinterpreting your comments.

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 02:13 AM
It depends on what you mean by Christianity? Pop Christianity? Or the many Bible-believers such as are many Pentecostals? Or do you mean the Simonians/Simon Magus followers? I suspect it to be no surprise for those following after Simon Magus (unknowingly) or Isis Horus Seth mystery cults to not be following Jesus Christ. The Simonians called themselves "Christians".


Religion is a sickness. Simon Magus folks are paying in their ten percent each sunday to get a credit in with that salvation plan that will come one day - AFTER THEY ARE DEAD. In the meantime, the mortgage is in foreclosure and uncle Ben has cancer.

But "Go Jesus - Hooray for Jesus". But Jesus - who NEVER opened up his mouth except to speak in Riddles - said he could do NOTHING - it was the Father working THRU him. Jesus is just like me and just like you - a man[kind] - flesh and bone. Yet, Jesus was completely in tune with the Holy Spirit.

Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

He ascended in Consciousness ALONE in meditation he went from the carnal earth to the King's High Way. Yes in deed the men of Sodom try to take the Kingdom of God by force - which is to say the Carnal Mind wants to rule very aspect. The Carnal Mind is Herod. When John which is Spirit says no- Herod puts John in prison and eventually kills John. I am Herod, I am John and my Carnal Mind will sometimes move everything to get my way. Yet all men see is stories. I mean c'mon. Why do i give a rats ass about John the Baptist. How does knowing a man got his head lopped off by a horny king help me in the least bit?

Except that I am Herod [lower mind] and I thru my Emotions am enticed to bring forth my desires [fleshly] and sometimes I will promise anything to get what I want! Even to the extent of chopping off John's head. I know my deed is wrong but I do it anyway! And EVERY single one here reading knows this is true for themselves as well.

Now that helps me.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 02:23 AM
Easy big fella.

My only point is that why does the understanding of the allegory require one to dismiss the possibility that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob actually lived lives on earth?

Sounds a bit like the denial of the existence of matter (the existence of the material world) all together. That is also the premise of those that adhere to gnostic/esoteric teachings; the entire material world being inherently evil from its inception - all matter is illusion and evil.

I cannot get a firm grasp of your beliefs so I apologize ahead of time if I am misinterpreting your comments.

Please forgive me I mean no harm in my words. I apologize if my tone is harsh, I don't mean it to be. In fact, I have been told that I come off harsh. So I beg your forgiveness now and know that I don't mean any harm, I am passionate concerning The Way of Christ.

But that is the thing - The Way is just that - a practice. I don't need any Faith. I know God. And I am known by God. When Christ is formed in you, there is no longer any need for religion. In fact, it just all falls away like scales from the eyes.

That is why the writer of Hebrews could write of those who receive of the Holy Spirit in Power and then turn away, there is no hope for that man. That is a sin against heaven. Most can never commit that sin as they have yet to be baptized by the Holy Spirit so they remain without The Way. I am not special, I just listened to the words of Christ and do them. Everyone can do the same. But I understand that God comes to man and not the other way around. But man must study to show himself approved unto God. So man must show up for inspection. But the Father chooses!

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Now stop and think. How can this one who has been baptized and birthed by the Holy Spirit - crucify the Son of God - IF NOT IN THEIR MIND - which proceeds the Deed?

Eve must always FIRST receive the enticement - and she [emotion] will always then give to Adam [Mind] so that their union might bring forth a desire [child]. This is why it is said the wife shall submit to the husband. Emotion is NOT to rule the Mind. And yet religionists around the world oppress women to their shame.

So please be emboldened brother - be zealous for God. I am your humble servant apologizing for my tone. Amen.




Shalom,
MJ

doug555
03-09-15, 02:30 AM
I am Abraham, I am Issac, I am Jacob - there shall be no other gods before Me. Abraham kill your son. ISSAC must be put to death - he is the symbol for Religion in this analogy; he symbolizes nationalism, or intellectualism, or traditions, basically the one thing that is so cherished that keeps one from The Way.

Abraham is Michael Joseph at the base of the mountain. I leave my ass and servants at the base of the mountain - carnal mind cannot ascend with me. I bring the unclean by 2's and the clean by 7's and ascend. I am willing to put to death religion.

I mean come on already - can you imagine if this story is true how if you were Issac. If Abraham/Sarah/Hagar are an ALLEGORY - and they are - then so are Issac and Jacob and their wives. But folks cling to there cherished religion.

Want to see?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


allegory (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory)
noun al·le·go·ry \?a-l?-?go?r-?\

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation

FOR INSTANCE: Sleeping Beauty and the 7 dwarfs - are symbols for the Spiritual Woman and the 7 Chakras.


Shalom,
MJ

In Daniel 2:31-45, we have an allegory too. However, it was about LITERAL KINGDOMS that would LITERALLY OCCUR on the EARTH. Can anyone deny the literalness of the Babylonian, Persia, Grecian and Roman Empires in history?

We must beware of making everything ONLY ALLEGORICAL.

The 7 Annual Holydays of Lev 23, which were all kept by the Messiah and the Apostles after Christ ascended, are "allegorical" also. But the Passover, Holyday #1 LITERALLY occurred in Egypt as the TYPE, and its ANTITYPE also LITERALLY OCCURRED in 30 AD when a PHYSICAL MAN, the literal Son of God, literally died, and literally rose from the dead. John warned us against those who deny this literalness in 1 Jn 4:2 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-john/4-2.html).

This literalness also applies to Holydays #2 & #3 (https://pentecostnation.wordpress.com/). In fact, the entire world will be astounded, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THESE DAYS WERE ONLY ALLEGORIES! See Micah 7:15-17 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/micah/passage/?q=micah+7:15-17).

The kingdom of priests in Rev 5:9-10 (Rev 5:9-10) is a literal kingdom reigning ON THE EARTH BEFORE the Messiah returns!

The BBE version says:
Revelation 5:10 (BBE) And have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are ruling on the earth.

How else could one explain the transformation of the lukewarm Loadicean church in Rev 3:14-22, to a zealous group of people from all over the world who are willing to be martyrs for their faith as revealed in Rev 6:9-11?

This same literal miraculous act of creation even inspires and further convicts the heavenly host! See Rev 4:1-11. Notice 4.11 - "For Thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will, they existed and were created".

The literal Desert Miracle of Holyday #2 will awaken the world to the LITERALNESS OF GOD'S WORD, AND HIS SEVEN ANNUAL HOLYDAYS!

This is the GOOD NEWS that is being surpressed today.

But now YOU have been NOTICED in accord with Isa 41:27 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/isaiah/41-27.html).

You now have an opportunity to SIGN THIS PETITION (https://pentecostnation.wordpress.com/worldwide-petition-for-divine-intervention/), and show your literal faith by a literal deed (Js 2:14-26).

We all have been dreaming and asleep, just like in the movie, Inception. Likewise, we need a "kick" to awaken us from our allegorical dream state, so we can face literal reality, and truly choose whom we will serve, in Spirit and in Truth.

Doug

BLBereans
03-09-15, 02:36 AM
Please forgive me I mean no harm in my words. I apologize if my tone is harsh, I don't mean that in fact I have been told that I come off harsh. So I beg your forgiveness now and know that I don't mean any harm, I am passionate concerning The Way of Christ.

But that is the thing - The Way is just that - a practice. I don't need any Faith. I know God. And I am known by God. When Christ is formed in you, there is no longer any need for religion. In fact, it just all falls away like scales from the eyes.

That is why the writer of Hebrews could write of those who receive of the Holy Spirit in Power and then turn away, there is no hope for that man. That is a sin against heaven. Most can never commit that sin as they have yet to be baptized by the Holy Spirit so they remain without The Way. I am not special, I just listened to the words of Christ and do them. Everyone can do the same. But I understand that God comes to man and not the other way around. But man must study to show himself approved unto God. So man must show up for inspection. But the Father chooses!

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Now stop and think. How can this one who has been baptized and birthed by the Holy Spirit - crucify the Son of God - IF NOT IN THEIR MIND - which proceeds the Deed?

Eve must always FIRST receive the enticement - and she [emotion] will always then give to Adam [Mind] so that their union might bring forth a desire [child]. This is why it is said the wife shall submit to the husband. Emotion is NOT to rule the Mind. And yet religionists around the world oppress women to their shame.

So please be emboldened brother - be zealous for God. I am your humble servant apologizing for my tone. Amen.




Shalom,
MJ

No sweat.

This exploration is beneficial in that I prefer clarity over agreement. When I cannot clearly comprehend one's opinion, I inquire further so as to gain clarity and not misinterpret.

My response was a bit in jest as you could probably surmise by my first choice phrase. I do not get offended when there is no clear intention to offend. That is obviously the case in this scenario.

I am equally passionate regarding seeking His truth and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, for there is salvation in no other name (Acts 4:12).

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 02:43 AM
In Daniel 2:31-45, we have an allegory too. However, it was about LITERAL KINGDOMS that would LITERALLY OCCUR on the EARTH. Can anyone deny the literalness on the Babylonian, Persia, Grecial and Roman Empires?

We must beware of making everything ONLY ALLEGORICAL.

The 7 Annual Holydays of Lev 23, which were all kept by the Messiah and the Apostles after Christ ascended, are "allegorical" also. But the Passover, Holyday #1 LITERALLY occurred in Egypt as the TYPE, and its ANTITYPE also LITERALLY OCCURRED in 30 AD when a PHYSICAL MAN, the literal Son of God, literally died, and literally rose from the dead. John warned us against those who deny this literalness in 1 Jn 4:2 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-john/4-2.html).

This literalness also applies to Holydays #2 & #3 (https://pentecostnation.wordpress.com/). In fact, the entire world will be astounded, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THESE DAYS WERE ONLY ALLEGORIES! See Micah 7:15-17 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/micah/passage/?q=micah+7:15-17).

The kingdom of priests in Rev 5:9-10 (Rev 5:9-10) are a literal kingdom reigning ON THE EARTH BEFORE the Messiah returns!

The BBE version says:
Revelation 5:10 (BBE) And have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are ruling on the earth.

How else could one explain the transformation of the lukewarm Loadicean church in Rev 3:14-22, to a zealous group of people from all over the world who are willing to be martyrs for their faith as revealed in Rev 6:9-11?

This same literal miraculous act of creation even inspires and further convicts the heavenly host! See Rev 4:1-11. Notice 4.11 - "For thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will, they existed and were created".

The literal Desert Miracle of Holyday #2 will awaken the world to the LITERALNESS OF GOD'S WORD, AND HIS SEVEN ANNUAL HOLYDAYS!

This is the GOOD NEWS that is being surpressed today.

But now YOU have been NOTICED in accord with Isa 41:27 (http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/isaiah/41-27.html).

You now have an opportunity to SIGN THIS PETITION (https://pentecostnation.wordpress.com/worldwide-petition-for-divine-intervention/), and show your literal faith by a literal deed (Js 2:14-26).

We all have been dreaming and asleep, just like in the movie, Inception. Likewise, we need a "kick" to awaken us from our allegorical dream state, so we can face literal reality, and truly choose whom we will serve, in Spirit and in Truth.

Doug

Those kingdoms are carnal. Ruled by carnal men. Sodom and Egypt. The kingdom of God is within. The church does not first change. Its members individually change which then effects a change in the body.

The Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles must first occur within. I therefore submit to the Will of the GREAT KING - El Elyon - the Highest - His Wonderful Majesty - by and thru The Way made manifest by and thru Yehoshuah the Christ. YHVH is Salvation - which is to say - I AM is Salvation.

Jesus showed me how to go into that High Mountain and find Father. If Father is in you and in me and I tort you, then I have transgressed Father.

Nevertheless - the temple is barren and desolate and few find it because they are too busy trying to rationalize themselves into the arms of the savior based on their understandings and intellect. Time to sacrifice those spotted cattle [thoughts].

Many are too invested in themselves to do it. Thus they bar themselves from The Way.

Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

So many seek to preserve their ten percent that they bar the way to the other 90 and as such the pleasant portion in Consciousness is left barren for there is no man to till the garden.

Thought has always proceeded matter. But matter is understood by spirit. Thus spirit is more real than matter. It is just that matter is another dimension in God.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 02:54 AM
No sweat.

This exploration is beneficial in that I prefer clarity over agreement. When I cannot clearly comprehend one's opinion, I inquire further so as to gain clarity and not misinterpret.

My response was a bit in jest as you could probably surmise by my first choice phrase. I do not get offended when there is no clear intention to offend. That is obviously the case in this scenario.

I am equally passionate regarding seeking His truth and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, for there is salvation in no other name (Acts 4:12).

Yes, but now it is circular. Name does not mean - Michael Joseph or Jesus the annointed One. it means The Way of God. The name of God is The Way of God. You must do it God's Way. And Jesus told us how to do it God's Way. Obey.

He said "Don't call me Lord and then disobey me". He then said if you want to serve me, then keep my commandments.

Now back to the point. The Moon. What does it symbolize? A moon reflects light. Now the question arises Light from where? Is it "enlightenment" of the Higher Mind in Christ? Or is it the light of the carnal mind? The moon is therefore feminine for it is with Emotion that the desires are birthed. She, the moon will reflect that which the Mind gives her. The Higher Mind is the Sun in Christ.

So you have a Sun and Moon in you. As you do all of the Cosmos. So how do you create? For the woman receives seed [from a male] and she conceives the seed and brings forth the child. In the analogy of Jacob/Leah/Rachel the Heavenly Woman Rachel remains barren without the "single seed" which is Christ. Leah is a well spring of children because she is emotions which brings forth our carnal desires.

So our Mind is resurrected from the dead carnal status into life [high on the Mountain] the Higher Mind in Christ. And we are delivered from confusion which is to say the daughters of Babylon.

Even those in the O.T. were baptized by Fire.

Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

To obey Jesus is to obey God. It is to find the Way. Which is an analogy for a walk - a path trodden upon requires one to walk it. To point out the path is not good enough. One must walk it to get from the beginning to the end. As Paul wrote: Finish the Race.

Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 02:57 AM
Even though the 'trappings' or 'iconic stone pantheon' of a religion may point at allegories, the fact is that worship of the artifacts is encouraged or accepted. The upper echelons or priesthood might be "in" on the symbolism as they collect money and trust from those they might sneer upon and look down upon to be "idiots"--the worship of idols or the like are nonetheless encouraged.

Re: allegory. It is also clear that the destruction of the temple and the events preventing its rebuilding since 70 AD were not allegorical. Sure, the possibility that Jesus Christ and others walked paths and acted out events in such a way as to encode the events with messages is highly possible. But to remove them to mere allegorical events that didn't really happen might be to commit a grave error. Their cooperation in sending a message to those of us who would bother to look does not necessarily invalidate the concrete physical events.

Some go to "Church" and wonder why the power to heal or work miracles might not be there. That power is still very much alive today but not among the Simonians or the counterfeit-ists. I have myself witnessed say 20 way brawl broken up simply by prayer for angelic coverage of the area and breaking the spell of demonic forces of influence. Imagine 20 people in a heated, brutal deathmatch all of a sudden wondering how they even got where they are and not only that scattering heading home, perplexed all because of a prayer.

Also, Pentecost happened for each believer back around 33AD. That some things happen on a case-by-case basis, sure. The anointing and enduing with power comes to true believers. This is why there is so much effort to wipe it out with syncretism and psysops. There are those on the planet who desire the total absence of the presence of God.

Those who love slavery, bloodshed, and human sacrifice (modern warfare and late term abortions appear to be modeled after human sacrifice in plain sight) and wish to profit from reduction of mankind to chattel hate the idea of mankind being made in the image of God and of there being any power capable of enforcing against them and interfering with their bloodlust and slave trade. I wonder what religion might such choose?

BLBereans
03-09-15, 03:04 AM
Yes, but now it is circular. Name does not mean - Michael Joseph or Jesus the annointed One. it means The Way of God. The name of God is The Way of God. You must do it God's Way. And Jesus told us how to do it God's Way. Obey.

He said "Don't call me Lord and then disobey me". He then said if you want to serve me, then keep my commandments.

Now back to the point. The Moon. What does it symbolize? A moon reflects light. Now the question arises Light from where? Is it "enlightenment" of the Higher Mind in Christ? Or is it the light of the carnal mind? The moon is therefore feminine for it is with Emotion that the desires are birthed. She, the moon will reflect that which the Mind gives her. The Higher Mind is the Sun in Christ.

So you have a Sun and Moon in you. As you do all of the Cosmos. So how do you create? For the woman receives seed [from a male] and she conceives the seed and brings forth the child. In the analogy of Jacob/Leah/Rachel the Heavenly Woman Rachel remains barren without the "single seed" which is Christ. Leah is a well spring of children because she is emotions which brings forth our carnal desires.

So our Mind is resurrected from the dead carnal status into life [high on the Mountain] the Higher Mind in Christ. And we are delivered from confusion which is to say the daughters of Babylon.

Even those in the O.T. were baptized by Fire.

Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

To obey Jesus is to obey God. It is to find the Way. Which is an analogy for a walk - a path trodden upon requires one to walk it. To point out the path is not good enough. One must walk it to get from the beginning to the end. As Paul wrote: Finish the Race.

Shalom,
MJ

Yes, the Name of the LORD being the manifestation of Creator God relating personally to us, NOT the actual words, "Jesus Christ".

allodial
03-09-15, 03:18 AM
Yes, the Name of the LORD being the manifestation of Creator God relating personally to us, NOT the actual words, "Jesus Christ".

I tend to see the naming system as being so very simple as to be difficult to miss--because savior, salvation appears to be as part of the name (of Jesus).

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 03:20 AM
Even though the 'trappings' or 'iconic stone pantheon' of a religion may point at allegories, the fact is that worship of the artifacts is encouraged or accepted. It is also clear that the destruction of the temple and the events preventing its rebuilding since 70 AD were not allegorical. Sure, the possibility that Jesus Christ and others walked paths and acted out events in such a way as to encode the events with messages is highly possible. But to remove them to mere allegorical events that didn't really happen might be to commit a grave error.

Dissimulation fed to the carnal mind is very powerful indeed. Witness the Iraqi War. But Spiritual Babylon is confusion not a State.

The temple is between the ears and the early church had the mystery and understood it but the serpent crept back into the garden and eve was once again enticed to give unto adam. Ref Jude 1:3-4. And the way was once again lost.

Therefore the Spiritual House was again made desolate. Reference today's condition is just the same as that in the days of Haggai 1: 1-10.

The House is desolate because many pastors keep many from finding the door to the temple in the East which is to say the Right side of the Upper Room.

The temple of God is built in SILENCE - where no vain understanding or thought of man can enter.

1Ki 6:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.

1Ki 6:8 The door for the middle chamber was in the right side of the house: and they went up with winding stairs into the middle chamber, and out of the middle into the third.

God does not use bricks - God uses Stone.

Okay so lets go literal. A bunch of homosexual perverts saw two sexy men come into town so they immediately banded together and went to Lot's door so that they might enjoy some good sexual fun. But Lot who is a so called man of God offers up instead his two virgin daughters - because, you know that makes perfect sense. I would have been introducing them to my two friends Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. Lot is pulled into the House and the Angels perform some super magical trick by blinding the homosexual men. Then they pack up Lot and his family. Which is just grand. The daughters are happy but a bit annoyed with daddy. But it all worked out because in the end the two daughters really had their eye on good ole dad. Leaving the plains in the valley they went high up on the Mountain in a cave and it was there that they got daddy drunk one night and raped him and the one enjoyed it so much the other one thought to do exactly the same.

GREAT STORY. I'll be sure to tell my grand kids that one. Or perhaps maybe I should read the one where Ammon rapes Tamar his sister but we find out that if he would have just asked his father, the king, then it would have been okay. Geez that should make my daughter just delighted as can be - but a bit weary of my son. Geez, come on.

Or, maybe and I am really going out on a limb here, a donkey talked to a man. Or perhaps if you don't like that one - a snake - a snake actually talked to a man. Hey Eve, looking good baby. Come on over and I'll show you a good time...

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is Allegory? Oh and by the way you know God HATES homosexuals because he killed them all in Sodom. This is absolutely absurd. For the same Bible says the following:

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Our lower mind, let me be blunt, HATES God - is enmity against God. Sounds a bit like Satan, yes?

And all the good men of God go about putting down those perverted homosexuals and yet in their very same Bible it says that the Carnal Mind - you know the part where I want what I want what I want....is NOT subject to the Law of God and it cannot be.

Why, because the Law or Way of God is SPIRITUAL. Therefore the only way to make a change in the earthly [fleshly mind] is to bind the Higher Mind first [heavens].

Nevertheless, I do not seek to limit the limitless and do not in anyway say that God could not bring this about in the physical as well. However, the literal leads straight to DEATH but the allegorical leads to LIFE. Therefore I choose life. I do however, have my doubts about a talking snake. Rofl.


Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 03:26 AM
Consider fractals. A society reflected or in its own architecture (physical, lateral and abstract)--that does not invalidate the Babylonian State being an extension of Babylon. And no doubt, looking on Google Maps or Mapquest for the Upper Room is probably not the way to go.



And all the good men of God go about putting down those perverted homosexuals and yet in their very same Bible it says that the Carnal Mind - you know the part where I want what I want what I want....is NOT subject to the Law of God and it cannot be.

That the soul or higher faculties of a man have become subject to the carnal mind (a perversion itself perhaps?) is perhaps indicated by yielding the faculties of the body to such activity? You know as in having changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things (reptile being a word based on creeping things)?

To lust after right things is never carnal. For a woman or a man to desire the companionship of a wife without resorting to the witchraft of undermining a family is not 'lust' in the carnal sense. Lust after good spiritual things isn't the same as carnal lust. Carnal lust for a sense of dominion might move a man to rape and sodomize another. The right kind of lust might motivate a man to get married and raise a wonderful family and be a great neighbor and brother and father and husband. To be carnally minded would tend toward putting creation and the creator in an inappropriate alignment. For a man to want 10 acres of land to raise his family away from a city could hardly be called greed or carnal lust. For a man to desire a mansion and a yacht solely to to boast against his frenemies to the point of killing and stealing to obtain it--carnal. Perhaps legalism aims to hold good people in wall-less prisons to keep them from doing good and to keep them in self-inflicted poverty while carnal men "live it up".

Also if they reject the light, truth, etc. then will they ever get out of the state where their carnal mind dominates all else? If someone is locked into hatred against their "inner God" what of their hatred against the hint of God in others? Would such a one make a good neighbor? Thousands of souls like that bonded together in death pledges or whatever would make a nation or society, no? The nation might form a State which reflects or hints at their their goals, wishes, desires to destroy mankind or to reduce mankind to chattel or to 'prove' the non-existence of God by destroying any evidence or witnesses, no?

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 03:32 AM
Yes, the Name of the LORD being the manifestation of Creator God relating personally to us, NOT the actual words, "Jesus Christ".

Excellent and if the Kingdom is within my mind....and your mind....and everyone's mind....and it is, then there must be a way to Access that Kingdom. Jesus manifested The Way. Pray tell, where do you suppose Jesus got his orders to be baptized? Since that tradition was not of the Jewish Church?

Perhaps in the Upper Room? Where all the obedient disciples go.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Joh_20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

The doors are shut so that the "men of Sodom" - the carnal thoughts - cannot enter. And Christ comes to that place WITHIN you to eat Un-leavened bread, keep Pentecost and eventually the Father to keep Tabernacles. A child must be raised up. And the Spiritual infant must become a Celestial Man.

Jacob served seven years for Leah = Emotion - Wife

Jacob served seven years for Rachel = Spirit - Wife

There is Balance between the Left Hand and the Right Hand. For why should God destroy Nineveh? Especially when they don't know their right from their left!

Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


Oh yeah that's another good one.....A man got swallowed by a huge marine animal and lived! Yep, there is no way that one is allegorical. That one is definitely true. Lucky for the World, I mean Nineveh, the big fish [whale perhaps] spit him out on the shore - just in time to tell them the truth.

I wonder if the whale thanked Jonah and wished him good luck? Geez.

Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 03:51 AM
The Temple lavers were baths. Consider the living sacrifice of dedicating your life to God's good. Burning bush, but not consumed. Tongues of fire, Pentecost. Men like trees walking.


Oh yeah that's another good one.....A man got swallowed by a huge marine animal and lived! Yep, there is no way that one is allegorical. That one is definitely true. Lucky for the World, I mean Nineveh, the big fish [whale perhaps] spit him out on the shore - just in time to tell them the truth.


Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

It seems that to be so concerned about the gourd is to be so concerned about outer appearances..the superficial. To wash the outside of the cup but not the inside. The possibility of allegory being used at times isn't out of the question. But the idea of it all being allegory is likely missive.

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 04:03 AM
Consider fractals. A society reflected or in its own architecture (physical, lateral and abstract)--that does not invalidate the Babylonian State being an extension of Babylon. And no doubt, looking on Google Maps or Mapquest for the Upper Room is probably not the way to go.


Re: homosexuality...
That the soul or higher faculties have become subject to the carnal mind (a perversion itself perhaps?) is perhaps indicated by yielding the faculties of the body to such activity?

yes, yes, yes.....

Homosexuality is a fractal of the Male mind in intercourse with the male flesh. There is no gender here. The mind in intercourse with emotion is carnal driven. But to intercourse the flesh or the physical is the homosexual deed which is also carnal. So what makes the heterosexual think himself better than the homosexual? Or if you like another fractal: A church leader [male in analogy] going to another church leader [male in analogy] to settle between themselves what The Word means.

Rachel remains barren and Christ is nowhere to be found! All that exists is a homosexual deed. For the leader of one church might be a female but she is male in deed. So there is no gender in the analogy.

Delilah is the woman of emotion who sought to rule the mind [Sampson]. She did whatever it took to get her way. Oh baby, don't you love me. Can't you see Sampson- yeah, yeah, yeah, panting...you know it baby.... Well, then why do you hate me so by lying to me - come on baby tell me your secret.

So the Spirit woman is Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Mary. These all bring forth the child of Promise. But the wife of emotion births many desolations.

Isa 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

Isa 54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

[B]Comment: Paul was a tent maker - the tent is our MINDS. Consciousness. Stretch the chords - find the garden which is planted Eastward in Eden [Right side of Eden].

Isa 54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Comment: Right is knowledge and wisdom of God applied to heal the heavens [Higher Mind] and the earth [Lower Mind] - the Left is Charity or Love expressed or birthed out of the application of the knowledge in the Right hand. The gentiles here are the carnal thoughts and the waste places within ourselves.

Therefore will our Land no more be called Desolate and Forsaken - because noone is in the temple - but then married. For the lower nature will with joy serve the higher mind. So look around you today. Do you see rebellion everywhere? Thus is the foregoing confirmed.

Isa_59:10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

Isa_62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Comment: We grope for the wall [of separation] - if you will the wall of Jericho - it is the same analogy - the separation between the West [Left] which is to say OUR intellect and understandings and the East [Right] God's Temple. Until we freely offer up the ten percent in consent - the door remains shut or if you will the wall stands tall.

By the way, did you notice that they walked around the wall six times in complete silence?

Jos 6:10 And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall any word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.


Comment: I mean think about it why do I care one bit about some dude who walked around a city and the wall came down? So what. How does that help me in any way? Until one day I realized that every single word of the Bible is telling me about me and my relationship to God. About God's Eternal Temple which by the way is NOW - for his name is I AM.

So why wait to cross over Jordan? I believe Jesus for he told Martha that those who are ALIVE - IN Spirit - well lets go there: else these are rantings of a mad man:

Joh 11:20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

Comment: Be still and know that I AM God. Take no thought. Be still. Mary was in the same house that Lot was in - in the Upper Room to the Right side. Martha is the busy body trying to please God with her Religious works based on her vain reasonings - which are her Spotted Cattle that must be sacrificed to God.

Joh 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

Comment: She is all about what she can see LITERALLY see.


Joh 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Comment: But now that you are here - I know that Father will work thru you. Well Martha Jesus said that Father would do more amazing stuff thru us than He did thru Jesus. Do you believe Jesus or is he your Superhero?

Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Comment: This Lazarus is Greek form of Eleazar - son of Aaron - priest line. Dead as a doornail - and why should it be alive - there is no temple to occupy - rather - man has no knowledge of the Temple of God and how to commune with Father.


Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Comment: This is Spiritual rebirth - from a dead carnal state to a spiritual living state. If one is born by the Holy Spirit - Resurrected Mind - one is ALIVE today.


Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


Comment: Here is where the Martha religionists jump off. They can't handle v.26 He who is alive in Spirit and places his/her trust in Christ by actually doing what Jesus said to do, shall not die - EVER.

Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Comment: v.27 is evidence that the Martha crowd cannot kill Issac. Their religion has too much of a hold over them. Isn't it high time to cut off Medusa's head so that the White Horse can come? For she clearly is the Carnal Mind and those thoughts are serpents.

Oh geez - time change - it is midnight.

Be blessed
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 04:12 AM
Also, Isaac represents the 'child of promise', that or those which or who can be brought about through faith rather than through carnal means. The physical reality of Isaac having been conceived physically through faith was encoded in his name and through other means. That does not eliminate the physical reality of Isaac. It did however foreshadow the spiritual reality of types of Isaacs.

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 04:13 AM
The Temple lavers were baths. Consider the living sacrifice of dedicating your life to God's good. Burning bush, but not consumed. Tongues of fire, Pentecost. Men like trees walking.



Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

It seems that to be so concerned about the gourd is to be so concerned about outer appearances..the superficial. To wash the outside of the cup but not the inside.

Excellent. Thus you see the allegory. It is not what a man eats that defiles him but what comes out of his mouth. And yet think about those who eat communion thinking that deed is holy. But they have no idea what the symbols mean.

For to think about it the way some churches do is to put Christ in your intestines. ABSURD.

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


I mean look to think literally of communion is to place Christ in the toilet. Amongst waste. To look at the word literally is just death. We are looking for LIFE.


All of your analogies are spot on. A tree is planted by seed. But it takes time for the seed to germinate and it takes tender care for that seedling to become an Oak Tree.

Let me say it like this. No one here has ever understood the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States and its Preamble. To say that anyone here has is a lie UNLESS that one was privy to the secret counsel that established the meanings of the Capitalized Nouns expressed therein. Those are not common words. Those are predefined terms. Therefore it is impossible to understand.

Now consider the Bible. Unless the Holy Spirit has baptized one, then it is impossible to understand the Bible. For the Word is Spiritual and not carnal. This is a hard lesson and hard to receive by many. But that does not make it untrue.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 04:16 AM
Also, Isaac represents the 'child of promise', that or those which or who can be brought about through faith rather than through carnal means.

Yes, so that ass and the servants of the lower mind had to stay at the base of the mountain! Now what of faith when the hope is realized? Consider what is better: the Love Letter or looking into the eyes of your beloved? For She said To Day if you can hear His voice? Do you hear the secret language that Wisdom wrote used thru the hands of her elect servants?

If you can hear and recognize the language, then there is no need for a canon. You have the keys and you can confirm it in Heaven. Today!


Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 04:20 AM
Abraham was approached about bearing offspring--his faith was of utmost importance--Hagar isn't what God had in mind. Mary was approached about bearing offspring--again faith was in her response. This is not necessarily about allegory this is the stuff of spiritual law. Application of spiritual law or bearing witness of spiritual law in operation is not allegory for someone who takes spiritual things to be of primary reality. The carnal mind is fixated on the physical. Spiritual does not necessarily mean allegorical. A hair split is not an allegorical hair. And who splits hairs for the sake of splitting hairs? In any case, a hair had to exist to be split. Real events can be 'split' or broken down because they were intentionally enriched with 'code'.

As for religious legalism, I am unaware of Jesus Christ ever pushing such an idea. As for practical and pragmatic spiritual truths, that is what I have discerned. However, hair isn't always allegorical.

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 05:00 AM
Abraham was approached about bearing offspring--his faith was of utmost importance--Hagar isn't what God had in mind. Mary was approached about bearing offspring--again faith was in her response. This is not necessarily about allegory this is the stuff of spiritual law. Application of spiritual law or bearing witness of spiritual law in operation is not allegory for someone who takes spiritual things to be of primary reality. The carnal mind is fixated on the physical. Spiritual does not necessarily mean allegorical. A hair split is not an allegorical hair. And who splits hairs for the sake of splitting hairs?

First of all the LORD came to Abram IN A VISION - Abram was in a trance.

Abram is the Carnal Mind. Living in UR of the Chaldees - worshiping the MOON GOD - Called Sin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_%28mythology%29). Sin is the God of.....wait for it.....EMOTION.

Abram was told to get up and leave this place in the Valley - For UR was a city of Babylon a DESERT and WASTE PLACE - which is the Carnal Mind in intercourse with Emotion. Abram obeyed and headed South. Lets look to see some interesting facts about his journey.

Ai= a waste heap was on his left = his intellect, rationalizations
Bethel - house of God was on his right

Sarai was Abram's wife of Emotion. And she cracked up when the Promise came. She Sarai made sure that her desire to please Abram was realized so she offers up Hagar her maid servant.

Sarai means - a head person - the wife of emotion ruling the husband of mind is the place called where Sin is worshipped in the low places of the earth [carnal mind]. Earth means base consciousness.

Hagar means - flight [this goes to a fear response]

Ishmael is the wild man - because he is the son birthed out of the Carnal Mind. Hard to control. We all have children called Ishmael in our lives. We think to control our mind but we all have some thoughts that seem to control us.


El Shaddai is the Holy Spirit. Abram obeyed and was washed with truth, he walked in God's Way and then and only then did El Shaddai come to Abram in Gen 17:1 - remember the Kingdom is within you - so these are thoughts held in vision in the upper room. El Shaddai told Abram he was to be called Abraham.

Abram is no longer Carnal Minded. Abram was tested and tried and found to be not wanting and El Shaddai baptized Abram and he was reborn Abraham [Higher Mind]. And Sarai was reborn into Sarah [princess]. Sarah therefore represents NEW JERUSALEM and this city of the Great King is found Within you and me.

For we all are Abram and Sarai. And we hopefully will all be Abraham and Sarah. And therefore the child of Promise can only be birthed by the Spiritual Woman. For the Carnal Woman births only carnal desires and therefore bondage. In other words there is an internal war.

But when the child of Promise comes by the Spiritual woman there is peace confirmed by God. For Mary was a SURROGATE. For Sarah represents that which the Holy Spirit births in us as conceived by Heavenly seed. Shoot let me nail it down.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit [female nature] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest [male nature] shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


We have a Mary aspect in each of us.


Now then, it is these sons of God that are birthed in the Heavens of our Mind [Higher Mind] which are send to the Earth as Immanuel - God with us. These thoughts renew our Lower Mind and bring our Lower Self into compliance with our Higher Mind. Thus our Land becomes married.


Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.


Now LOOK AGAIN with new eyes. Abraham is the Higher resurrected Mind and every man-child of thee is Abraham in intercourse with the Spiritual bringing forth works of the Spirit. Thus Abram surrendered free will only to have it returned to him once he became a Man.

Think present tense - I AM. What do you bring forth and how do you do it? For HIGH is the Way but we have been carnal for too long.

Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

Kind of like Adam, yes? The sun of his understandings was going out on Abram - and to his GREAT HORROR he realized he had it all wrong. Everything he thought he knew was a lie. And he realized that he needed to get his house in order - but he did not know how.

Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.


When all of the carnal thoughts were silenced, then the Lord appeared!

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

And while the foregoing is an allegory concerning each and every one of us today folks are still fighting over the physical earth. What a shame. Gen 15: 19-21 represents the mixed serpent seed - thus the carnal mind - will be made to serve the Higher Mind. And it will no longer be winter and Spring will come!

But when the Promise does not come immediately look how we can rationalize within ourselves for our own good. We see the Emotions working overtime to see about another way - Oh Look - Abram use Hagar. And because it looks good, it appears good, we rationalize it is good. But it is a spotted cow. And that cow must be sacrificed on the alter of the Mind.



Shalom,
MJ

allodial
03-09-15, 06:09 AM
Or is it more practical and pragmatic than that? Any man buried in a worldly state or mire (or any soul buried in a 4' to 6'+ of jar of clay), might be touched by God's grace and come to realize that what he thought was reality might only be scratching the surface--that to have "true life" he has to separate from the world that he had found comfortable.

Its not allegory, the real events from which we can observe practical spiritual principle does not reduce them to mere allegory. That a man makes a choice between separation from the Matrix and sanctification unto God isn't mere allegory--its also not about mere human reasoning. Although, the past is the past we can no doubt glean something valuable from the record.

Someone robs a bank then gets sick from guilt and fear and dies with all of the stolen money unspent. Sure we can analyze the event for principles but it makes the real event no less real.

If a scientist has written his observations of causes of effects when mixing one type of substance with another --we might drawn the conclusion that acids and bases react each other in such and such a way. That principles can be deduced from the real events observed fails to make those events any less real for the observer though for us are they real unless we apply the principles ourselves? The over-allegory-ization of things could get to an errant extreme: each man has a mind, ears, nose, etc. No surprise?

The tendency of the female toward passive/subconscious and the male toward active/conscious isn't something peculiar to the names Abraham and Sarah, is it? We can see that at any given moment, a man has emotions, imagination, will--the same might apply for a woman or maiden however the tendency toward being 'ruled' by emotions (Moonstruation) is not a secret.

That there may have been depravities around Abram was likely very significant and were not mere allegory. The big picture gives clues as to why God initiated what he did with Abram. Also, Abraham was Abram, Sarah was Sarai. The addition of "h" perhaps connotating breath of life. Was that God's acting or "Gnostic reasoning"? The addition of the 'h' in both names show that they were more alive than before (perhaps it can be inferred that before they were sleep/dead and after God's actions awake/quickened).

Also, a husband and a wife and children seems to me to be a kind of ministry.


For three things the earth is disquieted, and for four which it cannot bear: For a servant {or pauper} when he reigneth {i.e. when he becomes king or ruler}; and a fool when he is filled with meat; For an odious woman when she is married; and an handmaid that is heir to her mistress. Proverbs 30:21-23 (KJV)


For three things the earth doth tremble, and for four, which it cannot bear: For a servant when he is king; and a fool when he is filled with meat; For an odious woman when she is married; and an handmaid that is heir to her mistress. Proverbs 30:21-33 (ESV)

The significance of Sarai or Abram being of royal upbringing would be in that those raised as paupers/poor/slaves tend to be raised without any knowledge as to their having significance and thusly underestimate the power of their words or actions on others. (Consider Dulocracy In America from that perspective). Thusly, if they come to a great position of power, unless they are corrected their actions, speech might be so burdensome and weighty to the land (earth) under their rule cannot bear it and trembles/quakes because of it (think: elephant in a China shop). That might also be why Moses was raised among royalty--he would get lessons in his own significance and powerful affect on his own life and the lives of others. Those who were raised as Egyptian slaves might be puzzled. This same kind paradigm can be found in the USA today. This is not allegory, this more along the lines of "life science".


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http://www.shamarbriyth.com/Paganism/Photos/SunWorship1.jpg

So while stars, moons which might be otherwise useful for illustrating real principles, what of a situation when instead of explaining, has people worshiping as gods images of stars, moons, or replicas of things in heaven...to serve idols, to serve creation rather than the creator. What kind of priesthood leads men to that? Does that kind of priesthood have a rightful and useful place? Similarly, to serve allegory for the sake of the allegory --to split hairs for the sake of splitting hairs: to what end? Some have even gone as far as to see everything coming into their 'stream of consciousness' as allegory/symbols to the point nothing is 'real' the point becomes there being no point.

There are folks who have been worshiping real statues, images of stars, etc. not allegorically but really.

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Anyways...perhaps it all has its place. Perhaps there might exist a Lesser Light (indirect ...hmm..maybe...like the Moon) which serves to rule those who dwell in darkness and a Greater Light (direct maybe...like ... the Sun) which serves to rule those who live in the light? Rather than being equals in opposition as Hollywood falsely potrays, perhaps they are simply separate and distinct with one of them infinitely more powerful than the other? Two separate systems, religions or 'churches'--one for those in darkness...one for those in light? Or perhaps there are two entirely separate systems--like parallel universes--each with its own Sun, moon and stars 'cosmology'?

The purpose here is to edify.

P.S. After his encounter with God, it seems that Abraham could have no further fellowship with the People of the Moon/Sin, he had to change stations. Abraham would have likely had a similar skin color to those he was around. Would his separation be based on biological "race" or something spiritual? Clearly it was spiritual. Also to be in a trance is not necessarily to be in darkness.

pumpkin
03-09-15, 11:38 AM
Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 01:39 PM
You know there are many outworkings to the Word. Therefore I will not declare what is laid on my heart to be the only truth. What the Holy Spirit gives to one man may not be the same to another. We are not all about the same uses in the Kingdom. Therefore, who am I to limit the Everliving?

Darkness is ignorance. Which is to say every man's and woman's status in the carnal mind. Which is to say Babylon, which is to say the Valley or the Plains of Mamre or the low places in the Earth. Enlightenment is the High Places - Mountains - Spiritual.

Right, race or gender has nothing to do with Abraham. Abraham in the analogy is every man and woman that ever lived. The Sun is a symbol used in the Bible to denote the coming of the morning which is always the removal of darkness or ignorance. Jacob wrestled with the Angel all night. But in the morning came the blessing.

Mal 4:2 But unto you that revere my way shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in Her wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Symbolic language has a voice. The reason they continue to worship in reality is for the most part ignorance. Therefore there is a need for a teacher, but once these are taught, they are no longer in need of a teacher. Once the way is known, then there is no longer a need for a teacher. Yet we see many learning, always learning, but never coming to the truth.

1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Yes indeed there is a 2nd coming, who can deny that? But Jesus was very clear, if you can receive the Kingdom To Day, why wait? To Day is the day if you can hear His voice!

I love the story of Abram concerning his father's idols - Ref the Book of Jasher. Abram one day went into his father's den and took an axe and smashed all of his father's idols save the big one. He then took the axe and put it in the big one's hand. When his father inquired as to what happened Abram replied, the little ones must have made the big one mad. At once his father was angry declaring that sticks and stones can't think or act. I imagine Abram gave his father the Rodney Dangerfield eyes.

While the idol is false the energy given to them is real. Therefore, I don't cling to the literal because the allegorical has real meaning for my life. I do not setup a false idol of the literal. Jesus himself told folks DON'T worship me. But what do people do? Exactly what Jesus told them not to do. The church is supposed to clothe herself modestly, but what does she do exactly the opposite. Jesus told us the Kingdom does not come by observation but what do people do they look without themselves "looking for a sign of his coming".

I find it amazing that people ask Jesus into their heart. Where did Jesus command that to occur? In fact Jesus invites us into His Heart! IF we would just place our trust with Him. Which means we are bound by the bylaws of The Way and we bind ourselves to obey. Paraphrasing Jesus: if you appoint me King why do ye so if you refuse to obey me? Valid question, yes?

Yes they were dead in their carnal mind, but by grace [H - the fifth letter] they we made alive. I am Abram and so is everyone. Those who are made alive are Abraham.

A priest has office. Office means duty. Therefore a royal priest before God has uses in the Kingdom of God. According to The Way: El Shaddai has the Administration - The House that Wisdom Built. For She oversees all that He tells His servants.

Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.


Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her [Mary], The Holy Spirit [El Shaddai] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest [Yehovah] shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God [Immanuel].

Mary therefore is a surrogate that brings forth the Heavenly child of Promise. Mary therefore is an aspect of us that is active or lies dormant. For the most part the world is carnal and therefore dormant or desolate.

Jer 12:9 Mine heritage is unto me as a speckled bird, the birds round about are against her; come ye, assemble all the beasts of the field, come to devour.

Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jer 12:11 They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.


The inheritance of God is Is-Ra-El. Not a race or a gender but a Spiritual folk - Abraham/Sarah [two become one] submit in feminine deed [as wife] to Yehoshuah [Jesus Christ] as groom.

Abram/Sarai are carnal and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. In fact to be carnal minded is Hatred against God.


Be blessed,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-09-15, 01:46 PM
Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Jesus said: IF - that huge word..... IF you love me, Then [another huge word] - keep my commandments. Obey me instead of the preachers.

v.37 is total submission in trust to The Way. Obeying the words of Jesus. To seek with all that have I. To find I - is promised.

Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

the greatest is Love from a pure conscience.

Thank you,
MJ

allodial
03-10-15, 01:31 AM
I suppose the thread topic is really about the origins of a particular religious belief. Mainly about historical records.

The issue of gender, homosexuality, "gender equality":


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

In the Spirit the issue of gender might be moot. That does not mean that in the world or in the physical it becomes moot. To assert "there is no gender here" to the world, to family structures, to the physical body is grossly errant and dangerous.

There are those who spread the destructive concept of a husband and a wife being "equals" now because there being no male or female "in Christ". The equality is in Christ..in the Spiritual sense. The believer-husband and believer-wife both having equal access in Christ to the Throne of Grace and the like. That does not dismiss the obligation of the husband to the wife or the wife to the husband.

A group of females running a Christian's women's help center were spreading the idea of equality of husband and wife. I happened to know one and interviewed her. I asked her if there there was a boss at their organization, a manager. Answer: yes. I asked if they were equal in the structure or framework of their workplace. The answer: no. There was a hierarchy and structure in their workplace. But yet they were teaching women to disregard the family structure. The radio show organization and the non-profit are IN THE PHYSICAL they aren't necessarily "in Christ" those some members of the organization might have that kind of access or claim.

So consider two friends having the same body height, the same hair color, the same quality of looks and appearance. Both join "the Navy". One becomes an Admiral and the other a Lieutenant under the other's command. Are they equals? Not in the social/military framework. There are those teaching the notion of parents and children being equal on the same basis: There is no gender, its all "Spiritual". While spiritual principles and wisdom can be applied to sound operation of a man or woman in the physical or with respect to a given society or social framework, they neither void nor invalidate their respective obligations someone has under a marriage or the like.


Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

In the spiritual a regenerate, believer husband and his wives might have equal to access to the Throne of Grace. When they pray together they might all have equal authority and equal power outside of the framework of the household. In the household and family structure the equality is displaced by the husband being the head and Christ being his head in turn. To say that the equality in the spirit dismisses the wife from the duty to the family and the husband is dangerous, errant and destructive--it is counter to wisdom and the opposite of edifying. The husband defends his wife and children, is ready to lay his life down for them and they are equal? That is the deception that many men are waking up to and running away from.

The Centurion was not told "Your daughter is healed now and you are free to ignore your oath to the Roman military." The Centurion reaffirmed that he understood his obligation as the angels knew their obligations and thus he was able to see the ANALOGY from his own observation of military hierarchies of how the prayer could be answered and his child healed without Jesus physically going there.

To say there is no gender when dealing with physical bodies is strongly errant.

As for allegories. The Spirit help makes the words come to life so that the allegory can be seen (ala Divine Revelation) and thus wisdom is conveyed. The Spirit gives life rather not allegory itself. Spirit is not allegory.

In the spiritual or outside of the physical body is one thing. In the physical there is gender. The spiritual principles are to be applied to operation in the physical rather than voiding or vitiating obligations. Time and time again I've seen women embrace this equality concept, destroying families. But yet they are obedient to their "bosses" who cut them a paycheck every two weeks.

The allegories help build wisdom. The wisdom can be applied to operation in the physical or with respect to a social framework without vitiating or voiding it.

Perhaps a thread on the separate topic could be started? Because it seems to have diverged from the original topic.

allodial
06-21-15, 01:51 AM
1. Christianity was spread by the sword. Remember Charlemagne and his conquest of Western Europe along with promotion of Christianity throughout the conquered territories? That was all promulgated by the sword.

2. Let's not forget Christianity's role in colonialism, slavery, torture, racism, and warfare throughout Europe and the world.

3. European history is rich with examples of extremism in Christianity. The United States have some examples as well to toss into the ring.

If you mean "Christianity" in the sense of Roman Catholicism or Simonianism that might be true. There are completely distinct and different groups that are called or refer to themselves as "Christian". Bible believers (Torah and Gospel) are admonished against evangelizing or kingdom building by force of arms (i.e. prospering by the sword). It seems that it was mainly Spanish (Roman Catholic) who brought diseases and slaughter. The Spanish used smallpox and disease to extort and to destroy the native societies. While wars or conflicts were said to have broken out between Protestants and Natives, outright massacre is an entirely different matter--chalk that up to the Spanish.


Soon after landing on the island of Hispaniola, the Spanish began their relentless search for gold.

They told the New World natives that they had been living RENT FREE on the Pope's land for centuries and now it was time to collect the rent . . . with ARREARS!!

Every three months, the Indians were forced to surrender a hawk's bell filled with gold dust. In return they were given a copper token stamped with the date. Those who were found without a current token had their hands amputated as an example to others. Others who resisted were fed to the savage Spanish dogs.

The gold and silver was shipped back to the Vatican to fight the blessed Reformation of Saint Martin Luther.[more/link (http://www.reformation.org/us-spanish-inquisition.html)]

The Spanish Inquisition (http://www.reformation.org/spanish-inquisition.html)



The Knights of Columbus have the Borgia Pope as their patron. They have not relinquished their dream of making America Roman Catholic. Tom Ridge of Romeland Insecurity is one of their members.Millions of Spanish speaking people have entered the U.S. since 1964 with the intent of putting this BULL into effect. (Source (http://www.reformation.org/us-spanish-inquisition.html))


In the words of the author, "An institution like the Roman papacy, conceived in fraud and born in iniquity, was bound in the order of God's law, to produce its crop of evil, and of this crop probably the Borgia Pope is the most striking example, though by no means the only one. Pope Alexander VI was the one who gave the entire New World to Spain, during the early days of exploration of the Americas. Thus the incestuous Borgia Pope Alexander VI becomes the fitting patron of the Knights of Columbus in their effort to "Make America Catholic", which proposition is further strengthened by the action of the Knights of Columbus in selecting the Borgia Coat of Arms to adorn the walls of their Oratory in Rome. (Source (http://www.reformation.org/in-the-pillory.html))

The Spanish Inquisition in the U.S. (http://www.reformation.org/us-spanish-inquisition.html)

Re: the term "Christian"

How and when was the word "Christian" first used? The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follwer of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

Related:

Should We Call Ourselves Christian (the true bible believers aren't Simonians)? (Should we call ourselves a Christian?)
In the Pillory (more on the Knights of Columbus) (http://www.reformation.org/in-the-pillory.html)
The Devastation of the Indies: A Brief Account (by Bartolome de Las Casas) (https://www.asdk12.org/staff/bivins_rick/HOMEWORK/216236_LasCasas_TheDevast.pdf)
Roman Catholic and Islamic Parallels (http://www.brotherpete.com/islamic_and_rcc_parallels.htm)

David Merrill
06-21-15, 08:48 AM
I remember talking about the early symbol for Christianity - as found on the Jesus family tomb. I drew it on the ground and then was up on a balcony...


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allodial
06-21-15, 09:02 PM
That Simonians who called themselves Christian or heretical Gnostics would use that symbol makes perfect sense. As a symbol for Melchizedek, Essenes or true Judeans/Israelites dunno about that. If you look closely at the Koran, Mohamed relates the same Gnostic story about the crucifixion and that is very telling because it conflicts with both the Bible record of the crucifixion and the Talmud's record of his execution. More than one author has pegged Mohamed as having studied Mani and others students of Simon Magus which Rome is said to have embraced and made a "god".

In Revelations 12, the woman clothed with the stars had the moon at her feet and a crown of twelve stars. The moon being at he feet doesn't jibe with making it a symbol to serve under. Furthermore, making representations of things in heaven to worship them doesn't jibe either.


Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them... Exodus 2:4-5 (5 in part)


And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Revelations 12:1-2


And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 10And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? 11And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying. Genesis 3:9-11


The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The crescent moon as a symbol for Simonians or the various syncretic secret societies or heretical Gnostics makes sense. But for the true believers or followers of Christ, not at all.

Related:
Simon Magus, Gnosticisim, the Ebionites & Islam (http://www.brotherpete.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm)

BLBereans
06-21-15, 10:18 PM
That Simonians who called themselves Christian or heretical Gnostics would use that symbol makes perfect sense. As a symbol for Melchizedek, Essenes or true Judeans/Israelites dunno about that. If you look closely at the Koran, Mohamed relates the same Gnostic story about the crucifixion and that is very telling because it conflicts with both the Bible record of the crucifixion and the Talmud's record of his execution. More than one author has pegged Mohamed as having studied Mani and others students of Simon Magus which Rome is said to have embraced and made a "god".

In Revelations 12, the woman clothed with the stars had the moon at her feet and a crown of twelve stars. The moon being at he feet doesn't jibe with making it a symbol to serve under. Furthermore, making representations of things in heaven to worship them doesn't jibe either.









The crescent moon as a symbol for Simonians or the various syncretic secret societies or heretical Gnostics makes sense. But for the true believers or followers of Christ, not at all.

Related:
Simon Magus, Gnosticisim, the Ebionites & Islam (http://www.brotherpete.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm)

Fascinating! As always allodial.

However, how does this reconcile with the aforementioned symbol being found on "The Jesus Family Tomb". That was presented as if it were fact; am I missing something here?

allodial
06-22-15, 01:21 AM
I'm not particular sure about the validity or authenticity of the Jesus Family Tomb idea. Perhaps DM can chime in on that. It might have something to Dan Brown's writings, I'm not sure. I must admit, Dan Brown's writing (Davinci Code published in 2003) seem more like a late-response damage control to Umberto Eco's book Foucault's Pendulum [/I (1989 Eng/1988 Ital) ]where Umberto actually outs certain secret societies and their ties back to Saudi Arabia or the Middle East. While Umberto is more factual and honest, Dan Brown's writing seems more like a few people got together to come up with a very-delayed, corporatized response to [I]Foucault's Pendulum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_Pendulum). I had an original English hardback print but it was stolen from my library. I suspect anyone in the know would realize that Umberto is telling truth rather than doing damage control or proselytizing.

Could have been that Davinci, if encoding anything, may have been relating Rome's Gnostic roots and Rome's version of history rather than anything else? On that note, one interesting thing is that Leo Zagami, decades later basically to some extent reaffirms what is laid plainly in Umberto Eco's book.

Related:

Microsoft and the Bavarian Illuminati (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_5.htm) (Umberto Eco's book is linked to on the bottom of that page)
Umberto Eco on Macintosh vs. DOS (http://jowett.web.cern.ch/jowett/EcoMACDOS.htm) (<-for grins)

David Merrill
06-22-15, 05:03 AM
The Lost Tomb of Jesus (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImXzFHZF9xOXZnZWM/view?usp=sharing) is a full-length documentary by James CAMERON.

allodial
06-22-15, 05:07 AM
I might have heard of that. James CAMERON (http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html)is said to be a 33rd degree Freemason. So, I would have to keep that in mind while watching. I always felt he was quite some unique director the way he used color and sound to set and control moods and such in movies (the movie "The Abyss" movie being a case in point). When I read allegations about Ewen Cameron being his father it tended to make perfect sense. However, its said that to the contrary that one Phillip Cameron is James Cameron's father.

Nonetheless, if you watch shows like the Abyss or Titanic, its worth noting how deep of a range of sound the movies feature especially how low, low bass sounds (even ambient or background sounds) are utilized rather than merely doing the bare minimum for a given scene. Terminator 1, 2 & 3 also showcased a remarkable use of sound and color.

Side note/q: Did you see or read about the dive he did in that specially made sub (www.deepseachallenge.com)?

David Merrill
06-22-15, 01:53 PM
Or is it more practical and pragmatic than that? Any man buried in a worldly state or mire (or any soul buried in a 4' to 6'+ of jar of clay), might be touched by God's grace and come to realize that what he thought was reality might only be scratching the surface--that to have "true life" he has to separate from the world that he had found comfortable...

Also to be in a trance is not necessarily to be in darkness.

I am moved by the entire post Allodial.

During the Cold War a man named William THETFORD was chief of MKULTRA's Subproject 130 and that was heavily sponsored by Subproject 77. We find how Subproject 77 granted culpable deniability to the Director of the CIA, but was granted by the Chief of the Chemical Division of (redacted) COMPANY.


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To summarize then, like Patrick STEWART of Conspiracy Theory with Mel GIBSON starring, we found a real life rendition Bill THETFORD running around with a pocket full of leftover LSD 25 and no moral compass about dosing his colleague Helen SCHUCMAN as they led the Psychiatric Department of Columbia University together. The result was that Helen had a sub-audio "Voice" commanding her to write for it - identifying itself as Jesus CHRIST. Another amoral fellow named Ken WAPNICK joined up with Bill with the notion to make the work product generated by Helen's hallucinosis into a multi-million $$$ business.

The book generated is a four-book set called A Course in Miracles. Albeit technically an imagination disorder called displacement hysteria it does capture the attention of somebody like Dr. Rick STRASSMAN who has written two books on an endogenous hallucinogenic psychedelic DMT (dimethyltriptamine) - DMT; The Spirit Molecule and DMT; And the Soul of Prophecy.

I truly wish my reading and communications skills were as fluent and speedy as yours and MJ's so that I might be able to get more in here. Even with all the indication that there is something beyond, I come around to the notion that this is it; the highest form of spiritual existence - right here where our ears and eyes are primarily forming our perceptions of "reality". - And this is through studying basically two types of ACIM students - 1) the honest self-therapy seeker who wants peace of mind, and 2) the WAPNICKIST as I coin them, those who are actually seeking money or control from a religious addiction on others.

The components of the first vary widely with subjective life experience and the notion that we all have an individually unique spiritual path. The second depends on one evaluating this physical time/space continuum to be an illusion or dream - nihilism. All things considered though evaluation, research and careful personal processing it began to look like a balancing act.

In summary what I am saying might be simply that this excursion, the ego's projection that we can create God in our image ultimately leads us to remember that I AM - THAT - I AM is simply I AM MALE and I AM FEMALE - and when you find that balance you are too. I also intuitively feel that a properly balanced mutual orgasm between Mom and Dad with a quickly consummated conception among it real time will imprint this Balance into the ego of the new human, for life. A head start so to speak.

In evaluating what feels like all factors though, it really strikes me true that it is not the 50% recombined DNA that Abraham found so repugnant in Isaac (as he was pubescent - the crux of whether to allow this abomination to continue) but it was his own guilt, that caused the Israelite people such a handicap in communicating with God. Quite some years back I began to look at my Christian conditioning to relate and even identify with a stiff-necked and hard-hearted people (the Israelites and Jews). So this brought a new light upon the pages of Dr STRASSMAN's book - It is very expensive to create and preserve written words at least until recently. So why do it? ANSWER: Among the Israelites it was such a rarity for a man to commune so deeply with the divine, that it seemed worth the investment?

Could it be that with the guiltless communing with God is a natural birthright? - That it just comes naturally?

Think about it. Is God so insecure that He actually told Abraham - Kill your son Isaac so that I will believe you believe in Me! I think this thought is basically repugnant to both Christians and Jews, let alone that the alleged execution was to be on Mount Moriah - where the Temple Mount is in Jerusalem today, and the Mosque stands with Mohammedans now claiming that the event was purely allegorical, not historical.

Then we find this concept of sacrifice amplified into a standing accusation against that same God of Abraham for breaking His own laws against necromancy, by reanimating Jesus? No wonder there is a fundamental guilt trip driving fear and anger!

allodial
06-22-15, 08:14 PM
Re: Reality, this is it
There is a rather formidable perspective that the brain does quite a lot of work in suppressing or cancelling out impressions in that there is a lot to be seen but the brain itself drops such information off of the scope so to speak. My own experiences between sleeping and waking is that the bodies that we have are designed to block memories of higher level activity and to heavily restrict what we discern. Consider scuba diving with ear muffs and a very narrow eyepiece. Although I don't necessarily agree with much of it you might check out the Valerian Matrix series (see link below).

Re: Ascending mountains or hills to talk with God
Its well established that low, base thoughts tend to gather at lower places. It was shown by experiment that thoughts easily travel from space to earth or from higher places to lower places rather than parallel to the ground.

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Re: Essense & Mount Carmel
There are those who suggest Mount Carmel to have been the home of the group of Essense associated with Jesus Christ. Interestingly, Elijah was also associated with Mount Carmel. Some suggest Mary to have been associated with the Essense at Mount Carmel and John the Baptist to have been at Qumran.

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(Side note: that is one reason I have an issue with the Gospel of Thomas, the Essenes at Mount Carmel embraced women as well. Gnostic hatred of women shows in Islam and other of their offshoots.)

Note: Nazareth and Mount Carmel are both located at northern Israel. Bethlehem is at the southern end. Jesus/Joshua grew up at Nazareth. AFAIK he would have had to travel to southern Israel to be baptized by John the Baptist.

Re: Guilt
In my years of experience, I have noticed that people who feel guilty tend to decline gifts from their victims even if their victims are unaware of wrongs perpetrated--as in guilty people have a hard time taking gifts as gifts (they might steal or acquire through murder but no no not as a gift). Thusly, switching over to labor and fleshy operations instead of spiritual like they turn their own lives into a self-inflicted labor camp.

I have come across quite a few people who won't take gifts but will steal from the same person who offered the gift. One case is that of a woman who makes things extra difficult for herself just because it helps reduce the guilt she feels. The problem with her (and those like her) is that they think everyone else deserves some of their own bitter medicine (psychopathology?). Its like they make their lives into a DIY self-inflicted labor camp and scorn others who won't go along with it. (penance? communism?)

Re: Willingness to Sacrifice of Isaac and Blood Sacrifice
I was taught that #1 at the time people were sacrificing their children to statutes/dead things; #2 Abraham was being shown that God didn't want that kind of thing also perhaps Abraham had to be able demonstrate less love for the world and for his son than his love for and willingness to obey God.


For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jer. 7:22-23.

Also, looking at the Essene view of sacrifice (i.e. symbolic effigies of animals of powdered frankincense, flour, water, olive oil and salt--the olive oil and frankincense was called "the blood"--frankincense is AFAIK somewhat edible--nonetheless they would used honey in place of frankincense at times ), could it be possible that any aberration introduced was due from Babylonians, Samaritans and/or from those imported into Judea (see 2 Kings 17; Jeroboam)? The Essene idea of "blood sacrifice" seems to match up with the ancient Sumer or Indian/Hindu methods of making an effigy out of dough with spices part of which would "boil" through when placed over fire--the frankincense and olive oil that would 'boil through' was consider to be "the blood".

Considering the crucifixion/execution of Joshua of Nazareth, Son of God: if a ransom was being paid in blood, how could God or Joshua have possibly been paying the ransom to himself/themselves? Then who was it that wanted blood?

Islam's method of sacrifice of animals isn't Bible based at all.

Re: Idol Worship
It seems to me that there is a pattern to idol worship. When idol worship was perpetrated, they got the "whole hog" so to speak. If Egyptian idol was worshiped, the entire system of laws and burdens came along with it. "Worship Babylonian idols? Off to Babylon you go!"--that kind of thing. At least that is how it seemed to me.

Remember, on one hand Moses may have had authority to administer certain aspects of Egyptian government since he grew up as Egyptian royalty. On another hand, there was Melchizedek (roll time back to Abraham). As in, imagine two sides to Moses: the Egyptian imperial or royal governor or the like and the priest of Melchizedek stemming back to Abraham. (And there were also Joseph and his children!)

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There are quite a few scholars and authors who associate the Golden Calf with none other than the cult of Hathor. There is a similarity in the Golden Calf event and the Garden of Eden falling away: look at the number of days of creation before the 7th day came (sanctification) and the fall of Adam and Eve. IMHO the journey from Egypt to the Promised Land and the falling away to idol worship can be fruitfully viewed in parallel to Adam and Eve opting for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. If only they would have made it to the 7th day?

Regarding Moses, how many sets of tablets where there? What was on the first set? What was on the second set? Why were there two? Could one set have been associated with Melchizedek or the Enochian Essenes or with the Tree of Life? Could the other have been associated with probation?

So perhaps those two ministries referred to in the NT are spot on: the ministry of condemnation and the ministry of righteousness through faith? Could the first set of tablets have pertained to the ministry of righteousness (through faith) and the second to the ministry of condemnation? Some suggest one set of tablets to have been exoteric ("ministry of condemnation") and the other to have been esoteric (ministry of righteousness).

Re: Idol Worship II and Lesser Glories
One author suggested that due to the idol worship, Moses had to hide the invisible law or the esoteric in "within his breast" preserved for the Essenes or Children of Light (followers of Joshua/Jesus the anointed Son of God would be such) . On that note, consider police badges for a moment. Police badges are most always worn on the left side. Are they a kind of veil over the heart that is representative of a ministry of lesser glory? Is someone in the know trying to tell us something? (again re: Moses as governor vs Moses as priest from previous post).

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Like the Moon, neither metallic crowns nor metallic badges give their own light AFAIK.

Re: Necromancy
AFAIK, the prohibition on Israel under Moses weren't prohibitions on God. Also, resurrection isn't necromancy since it dealt with giving life rather than certain way of dealing with the dead as an 'artform' or science (Consider voodoo vs. ). If resurrection of the dead were necromancy, wouldn't execution similarly have to be necromancy? There are quite a few who suspect Voodoo to be fundamental the stuff behind a lot of secret rituals--even European ones.

Adam being given breath wasn't necromancy so why would the resurrection of Joshua be so?

Re: THETFORD, MkULTRA and Hollywood
I've got wind that are a few guys that work for US Army PSYOPS who take liberties and use LSD and Rufies in night clubs. Even of Freemasons who feel themselves to be infallible who do the same. Lawless men, no law, no sin. Insensitivity to sin is held to be the spiritual counterpart of leprosy. Undermining sindheresis (sp) seems to be the name of that dark game--getting people insensitive to sin and desensitized to violence and blood, terrible dark game. That is why rape, human sacrifice (murder) and male-male homosexuality is promoted as part of initiations. They are told they are "overcoming the flesh" when really they are undermining sindhersis --their souls internal ban on certain activities--giving themselves spiritual leprosy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aPPdKewAHc

Related:

Val Valerian - Matrix Series I-IV (http://awakenvideo.org/pdf/X/Val%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20Series/Matrix%20-%20I%20thru%20IV/)
Blood Sacrifice: the Connection Between Roman Death Cults and Christian Martyrdom (http://aquila.usm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267&context=honors_theses)
Mount Carmel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Carmel)

BLBereans
06-22-15, 10:07 PM
Once again allodial; the wisdom and knowledge you convey astounds.

You have a real knack of communicating truth in terms which do not come off as lofty; whether one has little understanding or is advanced in knowledge, the manner in which you communicate resonates, not only as genuine, but with a real desire to make everyone who reads be able to comprehend fully the ideas and exegesis you offer. For me, I use your comments as a spring board for further study and research since your numerous citations are mostly new information outlets for me.

Thank you for your enormous efforts; I find your presence here to be the most informative and enlightening.

allodial
06-22-15, 10:51 PM
Re: The Moon
The Moon is associated with much bad mo jo in quite a few cultures. Even the Roman views of the Moon, which aren't widely know, are quite insightful. I found this link a while back: The Moon Matrix and Soul Catcher (http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/moon.shtml). Though I already had studied the ancient Roman idea of the Moon being a place allegedly visited by souls after death, that link is to a handy compilation of Moon-related lore. The Romans seem to echo Egyptian cosmology or theology and/or the Upanishads.


Pythagoras, according to Plutarch, located the Elysian Fields on the side of the Moon turned perpetually towards Heaven, never visible to the human eyes, and this is where the Caesars and the heroes went after death. Indeed, Pythagoras himself was thought by some to be a spirit descended from the Moon. Epiphnius writes that 'the disc of the Moon is filled with souls', while Roman senators, according to Kastor of Rhodes, would wear shoes dedicated with ivory crescents (lunules), to indicate that they would inhabit the Moon after they died."

Archaeologists Tony Sprawforth and Aubrey Burl suggested that aligning the stone with the Moon may have been a way to harness its powers of rebirth, as though the remains were were strategically positioned to enable the Moon, at the limit of its trajectory, to sweep up the souls of the dead and take them with it to their final resting place in the Moon.

This suggestion gains credibility from early practices in other parts of the world. For instance, when the Bushmen saw a hollow Moon which was lying down , they understood it to be carrying the dead away. In 1875, a Bushmen told Dr. Bleek what his parents had told him and what he had observed himself - that when people died the wind blew away their footsteps, their hair became clouds and their gall sat green in the sky:

... Mother was wont to do thus when the moonlying down came; (when) the moon stood hollow. Mother spoke, she said: 'The moon is carrying people who are dead... it lies hollow, because it is killing itself (by) carrying people who are dead. This is why it lies hollow... for it is a moon of badness... " The Moon Matrix and Soul Catcher (http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/moon.shtml)

In Greek, the vagina is called "mouni". Note the emphasis on sex in Islam. The connection with the rebirth is too, too obvious.


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What's up with that background used in the Truman show? Are they suggesting a base of operations?

xparte
06-23-15, 02:55 PM
Mars and the Many Moons or faces of WAR? How old is WAR and its God the notion God has many faces is as a Man where,s as many hats.It goes with out saying the GOD of love or war its that nether of conscience matched only too free will. when love bottom outs all is fair in Man,s carnality this explains all lust returns to dust .Despite how often and too whom you must prey its up on a shelve or deep in the clay now this journey or judgement born or returned inT the same way. Thief in night Thief on the cross night hides the day day hides the night . Christ crucifix the wooden stock cedar cross Man,s hook @ cruc fixed on paper stock .Property is with or without final judgement Christ cedar cross your cedar box or in a jar your buddies can take to a bar.Found out or finding out with in the spirit remains the truth. pioneers in true spirit the shout out lodi mj greatest hits no misses Christ is a fact the factions sit on ceremony the facts are on the Moon. eclipse Christ you must be dreaming day or night doin whats right is never wrong so its got to be FAIR.

Michael Joseph
06-24-15, 03:23 PM
Consider that each culture has different names to represent the same idea or thought form. For instance the Moon and the Sun in symbolic metaphysics can represent Faith and Love and the stars can represent the virtues. However, these can also represent the lower self [moon] and the Higher Self [Sun].

Therefore to just classify Allah as the so called "Moon God" is to, in my opinion, just miss the boat completely. Rather, understand what is being veiled in allegorical terms under the "moon". The moon can only REFLECT the light. The moon does not issue the light.

Many get all caught up in proper names as in a moniker but few will look past the moniker and look to the Way of Being. Have respect unto the Way of Being so that the Light might shine forth from you! Which is to say from WITHIN you Christ is formed! And it is Christ within that is beaming the light out from the temple of God - you.

You can NEVER be apart from the Everliving God - the One source of ALL and in ALL. It is only the carnal shell of the mind which can be fooled - therefore if the illusion of separation is accepted in what I loosely term Hegelian Dialectics, then the subject is ruled by the Five Lords of the Philistines [five senses - central nervous system] and it is the Serpent in the midst of the garden that rules [Herod or Pharaoh] which is the Spinal Chord. But the senses cannot tell the whole truth as these can only "sense" but a fragment of the possible universe.


We each are a universe of potential.

Consider again Genesis 1. Consider the perspective now of man's[kind] consciousness. What then is the Heavens and the Earth? These are an exalted forms of Consciousness [Heavens] and base Consciousness [Earth].

Consider verse 2. Notice that darkness was on the face of the deep. This implies that there existed a very degraded state of man's consciousness - the valley of the shadow of death - the desert [dry land]

But THEN the Spirit moved! Notice that when Jesus appears in the story, he goes to his disciples and chooses them! Saying "come follow me". God comes to man. So we see the Spirit moving upon the consciousness of chaotic man. So then what you see in Genesis 1 is a RE-newing of man's consciousness. A rebuilding of that which was fallen and wasted. The seventh day Man or the Sabbatical Man comes to his rest once he has been re-created into the Image of God.

Look around. We see the states and kingdoms of this age and these represent the thought forms of the lower mind! It seems all is in confusion and there is a struggle for dominance and control. Look within yourself and realize the war that is happening between your ears. Will carnality win out or will a higher power win the day? Will the king Herod in you cut off the head of John [EA?].

See now how it is the Spirit of God WORKING within the consciousness of man to re-new and re-build. It is not by strength or might but by my Spirit sayeth the Lord.

For at once looking in the mirror I see in archetype my two legs and my feet upon the ground. Thus in base consciousness - I am trapped in duality. Physical/Emotionalism. Thus it is upon this lower nature that those who understand prey. I am bombarded with suggestions/images/temptations which serve to keep me trapped in the Physical and Astral plane of the lower mind. One huge temptation is materialism!

But God comes to man and says "Come follow me" - this is an INTERNAL offer, which if accepted, then there will REFLECT [moon] the Light of the Sun [Christ]. It is Christ that is the Light but it is El Elyon who is the Sun. Therefore it is said of El Elyon to be the MOST HIGH GOD.

Therefore there is a requisite KNOWING - a truth that is to be known. And it is this truth that will set men free! Jesus said these very words. He said "ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". Pilate questioned because he represents that which is lower and base - his lower mind trapping him into thinking that we are all separated - but at once we only need to realize that we are one for there is but One God - therefore there can only be ONE creation.

If I am separate from you, then that reflects in many God's. But consider your thoughts for a moment - look at the human race. From whence came it? Out of many, or out of ONE?

And what now is currently being reflected [moon] in the earth is the carnality of man. But we work to the end that Christ be formed in every man's consciousness so that the light [Christ] of the Sun [El Elyon] might beam forth from our vessels and the Kingdom established within the consciousness of man might manifest without in Society.

Therefore to be trapped in monikers of God is to be reflecting that which is lower [the moon] for until we come to The Way of Being, man shall remain base and under the dominion of other men. When the "sons of God" come which are the thoughts of God, then that which is lower is killed - every man woman and child - which is to say the base thoughts and ideas. And yet, carnal minded men grasp a hold of their warrior God in ignorance to the allegorical meaning of that which is below in base consciousness will not be allowed to ascend into higher consciousness and is put to death.

God IS Being.


Make it a great day,
MJ

allodial
06-24-15, 03:50 PM
http://www.theplaintruth.com/.a/6a00e554d79b0288330120a646f68a970c-800wi
I suspect many readily and easily are capable of getting the concepts, symbologies and hints discernible as pertains to the Moon, the Sun and so forth. I really believe most people consider this--its not really that hard to grasp. However, rote idol worship is what it is. While you are I might get the symbology, it doesn't necessarily rule out rote idol worship being promoted and engage in. It is pantheism (also known as "universalism") which tends to excuse worship of idols as being "OK" because of their allegation of "God" being in the statue or in its molecules. On the other hand, idol worship is a method for control and conquest and also capture or collection of subtle energies. The Chaldean mystery school members behind Nebuchadnezzar were likely very aware of this when they persecuted the three boys.

Re: Conquest and Control
Its associated with conquest and control because those who worship the idols by worshiping the entities created by those who want control are subjecting themselves to a kind of control. You should be familiar with this notion when it comes to legal entities such as might be named "JOHN H. DOE". So by worshiping the creation of Circle A, Circle A would be obtaining worship, though indirectly (again back to the concept of indirection...reflection).

It is suggested that Nimrod and co. had this kind of thing down to an artform where they would force people into a political system and had a pantheon of "gods" to go with it and theology to lock people to that political system (mental and physical bondage). Psst: same thing has been going on for centuries.

Re: Energy Collection
Perhaps see: 'elopic energy' or 'subtle energy'.

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I'm not sure why anyone would excuse or promote idolatry just because the statue being worshiped stands for something important ["It stands for something important so its ok if you worship it. Please give the guy with the shiny brass box all of your money as you exit, thx."???], its still a created physical idol not the concept. Its called "If you three boys dont worship this statue since we own it then you aren't worshiping us and that makes us very angry so we gonna roast you in ze oven because our carnal mind has convinced us of our lower conscious self being God so since you arent in our club you must be 'dealt with' for your 'insolence' nevermind what or who might be in you we don't care."

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2654&d=1435012449
Consider the calf or bull picture above with the disc between its horns has a very specific meaning of which I am aware. That doesn't mean that those that worship the statue have any awareness of the meaning as they worship the actual physical thing.


Daniel 3

1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

2 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

3 Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,

5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:

6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

7 Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

8 Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.

9 They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.

10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:

11 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.

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“Muhammad said, I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.”

How much insight does one gain from bowing down to a chemistry textbook? "What it symbolizes is what matters so its ok?" Hmmm. They are not promoting deep knowledge, they are promoting idol worship, and aiming to force mankind to engage in the practice--you should realize that from your own experiences. It doesn't take membership in a secret society to come to many conclusions concerning heavenly symbology, but there are those who believe if you aren't a member of this or that organization, you shouldn't know certain things.

On the topic of knowing the truth and the truth setting you free, is there anything wrong with knowing the truth so as to avoid being led into a deep dark alley down a deep dark hole? It just seems a bit strange to say the least for someone who is keen on promoting the idea of "everyone having god within" to lay excuses for worship of external objects simply because they symbolize an "inner uknown" or an "inner known". AFAIK, Christ does not promote pantheism.

Real, live non-symbolic people are being beheaded or otherwise killed for the same reason as they were killed as mentioned at Daniel 3: for not bowing toward the plains of Dura.

Re: Hero Worship and Moon Worship
It should not take much to drawn the connection between ancestor worship and hero worship and Moon worship. If the Moon was regarded to be the place where Roman heros and higher-ups went in the afterlife, it shouldn't be that difficult to see how Moon worship might have been a kind of hero worship or ancestor worship.

Re: the Golden Calf
If the golden calf was symbolic of something, and it were OK to worship statues that symbolize "something good" why the second set of tablets?

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Re: Pilate and Principalities of Darkness
If I recall correctly, it was Pilate who was perplexed over the idea of having a rule without the element of darkness.


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Re: Tent of Meeting
It is suggested that tabernacle or tents constructed by Moses were constructed in a way that corresponded to specific meanings and references to principles, knowledge or facts (the number of boards on the East/West, the number of boards on the South/North, etc.). Yet, how many worshiped tents? There is a big difference between something being for a reminder vs being an object of worship.

P.S. Nebuchadnezzar thought he was God. And how far did that get him?

Related:

The Kabaa As the Temple of Arabian Star Worship (http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/star.htm)
Pagan Roots of Islam (http://www.islam-bible-prophecy.com/book/the-islamic-pagan-root.pdf)
Belshazzar's Feast and the Cult of the Moon God Sîn (http://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/belshazzar_wolters.pdf)

Michael Joseph
06-24-15, 06:52 PM
Yes, unfortunately the priests do not readily explain the meaning of the symbolic language. A golden calf is first realized in the MIND of man. That which is an accepted thought may then manifest into matter. Religion many times is a "golden calf". But what of the Cow and its wonderful milk? What might this milk symbolize on the lower plane first and then the higher?

Milk from Cow: a symbol of the product of Wisdom [a name of the seven fold Spirit - Ref Isaiah 11:2] She, Wisdom, produces fruit which is the MILK - Ref Fruits of the Spirit Galatians 5:22 - thus the Milk from Cow represents the fruits from the Higher Self. Thus the Cow's Milk is spiritual sustenance yielded by the Holy Spirit - this milk needed to soul growth.

Milk for Babes: a symbol of experience of the conditions of the lower life, and of the external stimulus to progress

Milk from Goat: a symbol of the lower emotional nature that which is produced by desire [goat]. Represents the product of the desire/mental intercourse. The emotions [lower aspect in Eve] bring forth the desires [goat] to the mind [lower adam] and the mind will make it so.

Spotted Cow [lower nature earthly] : the desires, passions, appetites, instincts, and sensations of the lower physical/emotional/mental [lower] realm - earthly and fleshly

Thusly the symbol of ISIS is always above the head of the bull with his two horns of duality. For God comes to man and not the other way around. Unfortunately, these symbols are not explained properly and men fall into the trap of worshiping the symbol and thus the RESPECT OF PERSONS. Preacher would that I own a set of pom poms to cheer on the heroes, but understanding that GOD IS BEING - sets one free.

Aaron who symbolizes the spiritual mind, upon fashioning a golden calf for the men of israel which is a false form of worship which only serves that of the lower mind, stated that tomorrow they were to celebrate a feast unto YHVH. Understand why YHVH is now, in the allegory, also considered a moon god? In other words, the lower mind, is incapable of understanding and walking in the WAY OF GOD understanding that GOD IS BEING so what is formed for man so that man might evolve in consciousness is a symbol. An image. Unfortunately the priesthood never got around to explaining the meanings of the symbols and as such there are 41000 + so called Christian denominations....etc. etc. And I don't just pick on one so called religious sect - but all sects of religion are riddled with denominational schisms.

There is but one river that flows from out from under the Throne. She is WISDOM. She is a Tree of Life.

Thus we see that on a Higher Plan Aaron is synonymous with Abel who was a keeper of Sheep.

Sheep : A symbol of the higher qualities, virtues, or living truths which are the sustenance of the soul.

Consider now Genesis 6 which states the "sons of God" = thought forms of God had intercourse with the "daughters of men" = desires born from carnal mind/emotion. The giants formed are false religion.


But I digress. Returning to the Cow who eats the grass and meditates on the food which is symbolized and the turning and turning and turning and turning the cud in the four-fold stomach [food for the belly] but symbolizing the meditation upon the Spiritual Food which are the Sheep. And the product of this meditation produces the fruit of Wisdom. Fruit has seed within itself.

Notice man too is fruit. Just check your underwear - Fruit of the Loom. Man carries seed within. No fruit ever came to be absent seed. And seed must be watered. Thusly water is TRUTH. This is the true meaning of baptism - to be immersed in Truth. And with truth the seed germinates and begins to grow. But more knowledge [truth] - WATER - is required to make the seedling into an Oak Tree. Thus a WAY OF BEING is a Way of Life. And the lower is transformed or cutoff as man ascends to higher ground [consciousness].

Therefore the sun is above the head for Wisdom she reigns as the Comforter the Heavenly Mother birthing the man-child. The spiritual thoughts, qualities, virtues of the Higher Self. If one takes the symbol over the bulls head to be that of ISIS, then consider what ISIS represents.

She represents the Mother principle of the Holy Spirit or Wisdom birthing the Higher indwelling Self which in the Egyptian symbolism is Horus. She would always be upon the head of the bull which is man in his unregenerate carnal status. Remember "darkness was on the face of the deep" - and "the Spirit moved". Consider the aspirations or impulses that arise suddenly in the mind - this is Wisdom or the Holy Spirit moving upon the face of the deep.

Man's truth is subject to man's senses thusly to come up the Mountain requires Heavenly assistance. And therefore no man can brag. For God comes to man. And thus Christ is at the HEADSHIP of man.

Gen 1:1 BeROSHyth bara Elohim et [aleph-tav] ha shamahym and ha eretz

ROSH = Chief or Head we find the Alef-Tav or the Alpha-Omega the beginning and the end of faith. For what more of faith when it is realized? Therefore Self Realization of Christ within is the undoing of faith. For what need of Hope when hope is realized? What is left? LOVE.

Love the uniter of all : the symbol of the attraction towards the within instead of the without.

Love of God : an intuition or direct sense that al things in the natural, moral and intellectual orders work together for good despite appearances to the contrary. Truth acquired best enables us to realize Wisdom, but not Divine Love, for which Faith is necessary.

Faith: A sense of that which is superior to knowledges, i.e. intuition of Truth. Consider the scripture: "But before faith came we were kept in ward under the law shut off from the faith which should afterwards be revealed." Galations 3:23

Which brings us back to the Cow and the number four. The four-fold stomach. Which processes the food. And what of the human heart and the spiritual food? Notice the human heart too has four chambers. And we should meditate on the Spiritual food received so through Wisdom the fruit of the Spirit might come forth to replace the briers and bramble bushes of the carnal consciousness.

allodial
06-24-15, 07:01 PM
The English modern introspection is one thing. But the descendents of Israel spent 400 years in Egypt and picked up some habits. It was bad enough during Abraham's time that people were missing the point and sacrificing living babies to external stone gods. Seems to be a long tale about maintaining purity in doctrine/perspective while among other cultures: Babylon <--edge--- narrow path ---edge--> Egypt.

I get the impression that the Golden Calf incident was a mental return to Egypt ala Cult of Hathor. The significance of the bull with the disc between its horns is that the statue is a reminder of a specific time. It is worth noting that among other things, Pentecost occurs around the time the Sun rises between the horns of Taurus (I suspect the modern drawings of Taurus has the bull facing the wrong way).

It might also be worth noting that the cow's horns are unsuitable for the shofar. From what I recall, its said that its to do with the cow's lack of introspection.

Re: Man..Fruit
The blind man was healed saw that men were like trees walking--I believe that he was seeing quite well at that point (spiritually). Men bear fruit and have their seed within them. You might not be surprised how many woman are shocked to realize that a man is planting seed during 'copulation'.

Michael Joseph
06-24-15, 08:46 PM
The English modern introspection is one thing. But the descendents of Israel spent 400 years in Egypt and picked up some habits. It was bad enough during Abraham's time that people were missing the point and sacrificing living babies to external stone gods. Seems to be a long tale about maintaining purity in doctrine/perspective while among other cultures: Babylon <--edge--- narrow path ---edge--> Egypt.

I get the impression that the Golden Calf incident was a mental return to Egypt ala Cult of Hathor. The significance of the bull with the disc between its horns is that the statue is a reminder of a specific time. It is worth noting that among other things, Pentecost occurs around the time the Sun rises between the horns of Taurus (I suspect the modern drawings of Taurus has the bull facing the wrong way).

It might also be worth noting that the cow's horns are unsuitable for the shofar. From what I recall, its said that its to do with the cow's lack of introspection.

Re: Levels of Mind
There were three levels or sections to the tent and the temple. Believe it or not, there are those who suggest they corresponded respectively to: 1. Atman, 2. Brahman and 3. Brahma (outermost). It might be worth noting that light of Brahma is regarded to be the cause of nourishment in certain belief systems and where do you find the lampstands and shewbread? It is said that the purpose of the Golden Lampstand was to light the way to the showbread (or presence bread) visible.

Re: Man..Fruit
The blind man was healed saw that men were like trees walking--I believe that he was seeing quite well at that point (spiritually). Men bear fruit and have their seed within them. You might not be surprised how many woman are shocked to realize that a man is planting seed during 'copulation'.

I really got a good laugh out of that last one. Nice.

Consider the Scripture - "out of Egypt have I called my son."

Egypt was split into two kingdoms upper and lower and this should be a sign to those who are tracking but consider for a moment the physical aspect of Egypt which is a term for man's base consciousness. Christ is all and in all. Therefore, out of Egypt [God comes to man] have a I called my son. The son of God may become manifest in ALL of us - but God calls and man is re-created and is transformed from glory unto Glory into the image of Christ!

Now consider what you just stated in your response. It was a return to carnality. They were brought out of it by the Mighty Hand [Spirit] of God. But stop to consider that the men of Israel represent the thoughts of the lower mind which were able to get close to the Divine - thus they were termed the chosen people. But now just as the boy fell from the 2nd story in the report given by St. Paul, notice that if one goes back into Egypt one has fallen from grace into bondage. One has fallen from Spiritual freedom into physical law . Thus we see even two Jerusalem's [above and below]. Two covenants in Sarah and Hagar [allegories] representing that of the consciousness of man.

In St. Paul we see that Paul was able to revive the boy who had "fallen" back to life. And before I reach for my pom poms to cheer St. Paul, I recognize that with the help of the Spirit of God, I may too be used to make the blind see, or the lame walk or the "spiritually dead" come to life. For the remedy was granted to Ezekiel to know: notice the "dry bones" were found in the low places of the earth [the valley]: Ref. Psalm 23 - valley of the shadow of death: but back to Ezekiel:

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

[B]Comment by MJ: Notice at once that the thoughts of the lower mind are extremely dry - a desert wasteland - only seeking its own - only seeing what it WANTS to see - frozen solid in fear and greed.

Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Comment by MJ: God comes to man - Jesus said "come follow me" - a choice is granted unto man. The hope is man will ascend into higher realms so that no longer in carnality or a dead state - but to come alive in Christ. Not as a cheerleader but a Way of Life - a walking Priest unto the Most High God. With knowledge and standing in the Heavenly Court.

Notice that it is given to speak and shepherd the sheep of God - thoughts, virtues, qualities, etc. And it is these higher aspects that will renew and regenerate the lower nature [natural man]. What a shame for a man to come to this truth and to then fall back into carnality - but we do it each and every day - everyone of us! Therefore we see the Holy Spirit working thru the agency of man - as St. Paul "breathed" life into the boy.

How is it that the son of God can come and we still run into Egypt? There is a constant struggle within all men between the Spiritual and the Physical. For the mind is blinded by that which is sensual but that which can only be discerned baffles and confuses the wisdom of the lower aspect of Egypt.

Therefore Ephraim and Judah cannot camp in the same place. Ephraim in the West and Judah in the East. And the men, women and children [thoughts, emotions, desires of the lower self] will all be put to death.

Give us this day our daily bread [truth from above, spiritual law and knowledges] and shine the light upon that which is literal bread so that the truth couched or veiled within might be revealed. The seven lamps are the seven Spirits of God [Proverbs 8, Isaiah 11] - with 22 knops [paths, hebrew letters which symbolize the journey]. Curiously 22/7 = 3.14. Only a priest before God could enter upon the Sanctuary and the Most Holy. And that requires knowledge and experiences. Rather with these knowledges and experiences Wisdom she births her children - new thoughts [sons] and new desires [daughters] of God.


Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.


Man has chosen the carnal interpretations of the Law of God and left from the Higher Spiritual realms. A falling into death. Where is a St. Paul who will deliver such a one from death? For the call came from the throne, "who will go for us?" and the response : "here am I, send me."

Analysis of such a statement shows a mind working in love. For in service to others one loves his brother. Of course as you know the entire Gospel is written in the stars. It is a shame that the "keys" to understand these knowledges were removed by priests who sought their own. Enter Simon Magus [a part of all of us] who seeks to take the kingdom of God by force for his own gain.

A golden calf anyone? Any takers? Of course I jest to get the point across. Jacob's ladder is just that a ladder which must be climbed. When will men stop with the Respect of Persons and get on with the Great Work that must occur within each and every one. For the Scriptures declare "out of Egypt have I called my son."


Have a great day,
MJ

allodial
06-25-15, 09:57 PM
Re: Levels of Interpretation (Events)
No doubt, its well established in even in the Midrash (if i recall correctly) and among sages of old that anything can be interpreted on various levels (typically 4) and thusly allegorized. A car accident can be viewed on various levels--doesn't make it any less of a reality.
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Car Accident Extremes of Interpretation
[1] Grotesque and Base Arrangement (Causality Indifferent)
Complex collections or arrangements of metals and plastics named Mercury/Messenger, Ford/River disturbed from previous configuration and order leaking organic fluids (like rivers) strewn in chaotic arrangement upon highway (river of tar), blood flowing and hastily spread around one (like river). Fumes of alcohol in air from Mercury mangled contraption. Writing on brown bottle from which brown flows(River) message (mercury) on the bottle.
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[4] Higher Level (Why, Meaning, Non-Extant Physical-Time-Expansive)
In consequence of Bob's sadness over his sister dying at war, he got drunk and attempted to drive home in his Mercury XXXX and even drank from his beer bottle as he drove on the highway that night.

A lonely old lady took a drive against her foreboding senses and she was seriously injured when Bob lost control of his car which smashed through the highway divide and struck her Ford causing serious damage.

This occurred right next to McKenzie river. Bob's sister attended McKenzie High School and graduated with honors

Re: Levels of Interpretation of Text
Similarly text on a page can be looked at as mere chemical/atomic blotches on yet another material surface that statistically averages "white". On another level the text forms can be perceived as having patterns called "letters". On another level the letters could be perceived as being arranged into "words", "sentences", etc (multi-volume works often have signals/hints which show interrelation or continuity--the author's intent expressed in symbol ). Ah yes the intent of an intelligent being can be presumed or interpreted on another level.

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On yet another level "reading between the lines" (one can look at the time the author wrote, background information, his political or cultural leanings and see if he has a message in the message). On yet another level, he may have been guided by superiors or those higher than him along with others like him to convey a message on a totally different level of which even he was unaware (this is done all the time in the intelligence community). There are also those who have suggested that all Mainstream Media is used for stenographic communications by secretive groups (i.e. stories are chosen for the words/names/placenames/times/etc. and their usefulness in conveying specific messages).

Thusly, true interpretation would likely get to the intent behind the will/soul that created the work rather than engaging in wild speculation.

Re: Allegory Ought Be Practical (Tolkien Hated Allegory for the Sake of Allegory)
I suspect allegories to be useful only if they are applicable to remedy or comprehension as pertains to the subject matter. Its written that Pythagoras traveled to Egypt and studied and then to Mount Carmel, likely he literally traveled bodily to those locations. I know of someone who prospered greatly at certain points in his life and looked back and did an analysis of where he lived. The place names were to do with fresh water, forests or grace. However, when he wasn't doing so well, the place names were oppressive or related to Bel/Baal. Now if he wrote his life story, it might seem like its "code" but you can take anything as a code but that doesn't necessarily mean it to be fruitful to do so especially if one applies it to the situation or circumstance incorrectly.

One could take any circumstance and class any sources of nourishment together: mother's milk, cows, fresh water sources, honey, syrup. One could take adverse powers or characters and source them together.

The Bible exposes external types and characters in the play of life--it is not merely about internal psychological phenomena.

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Thomas Troward (an English descendant of French Huguenots, an author and former judge), in letter to G. Behrend (author and only private student of Thomas Troward)

Idolatry
It is clear that idolatry is encouraged (i.e. the intent of those authors of idolatry is to control and ensnare those who they can ensnare) by those who wish to oppress and extract energy/resources from men and the same oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ who suggest looking within or among vs looking without and being ensnared by trinkets or creations of men. Worship of a statute or of the moon, is contrary to "having no other gods before me". God was out to keep a people set apart from the worldly trappings. However, those who are opposed to God and to his people have set out to destroy anyone who refuses to believe their lies.

The true believers is encouraged to fall asleep and pretend wolves and dragons to be non-existent. In old stories, dragons were known to take human form.

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The idolatry promulgators typically have promoted:
* Worship of something they created
* Worship of someone they decided to be a "god" or "ruler"
* Prostration of yourself before or denigrating yourself to something they believe to be worthy of doing such (sex, prostitute, temporal pleasure, bestiality, willing allowing your body to be raped/sodomized)
* Will subordinated to an addiction to something they control (i.e. note: control vs. prohibit) / sell (money, alcohol, prostitute, narcotic)
* Adoption of a belief system or way of thinking that is purposed to undermine sindheresis (pure soul law/lore) so that the soul can be trained to act in opposition to God
* Secret engagement in activities that have civil death as a consequence (i.e. they use law to destroy you or put bring you into their lawless/soul-degraded condition while assuring you of the law's nonexistence)

.. and all with a view to psychic, social, political, monetary, energetic or sexual gain.

Re: ISIS
A bull is a beast with two horns. The crescent moon has two horns too. ISIS was clearly chosen with specific intent an acronym for the organization that has been sweeping the Levant. The Golden Hathor Calf has two horns as well.

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Re: Spiritual Deserts
False doctrine promoted by those that aim to suck the spirit/life energy out of you. They create "dry spiritual areas". Remember, the serpent is to eat on the dust of the field. Dust is dry.

allodial
06-25-15, 11:39 PM
Re: Case In Point (Is this the real hidden history of America)
Some Huguenots escaped slaughter in Europe and traveled to Florida. What happened to them? Author claims to have the answer: St. Augustine Florida, City Of Blood (http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/aviles.html). Now what if the natives were slaughtered for the same reason (for Hebrew beliefs or for having similar to the Mount Carmel Essenes)? Could that be why they were slaughtered in masse?

Re: Ideal Roman Man As Impenetrable Penetrator
I have looked at several criminal cases in the USA. Underlying several cases were things most would overlook. More often than not (really always) the victims were non-Catholics, non-Masons and the perpetrators held themselves out to be Roman Catholics and/or Freemasons who made a big show of putting on a show of a false motive to hide that their real motive was to do injury to someone for not falling down and worshiping creation (i.e. despite all of the traps they laid, the victim did not fall for it--the drugs, hookers, enticement to homosexuality, enticement to witchcraft, nicotine addition, injury-induced hospital bills and debts, false charges, prostitutes, enticement to prostitution, sex traps, money traps, etc) the felonies they perpetrated to destroy, slander, alienate, impoverish, desecrate and degrade the victims (i.e. to steal, kill and destroy) for not being like them or for not having the same interests or beliefs. I was shocked to come to the realization. I have seen more things like it in other countries. Another interesting thing, is the very crimes and unlawful things the perpetrators did in secret and what the victims refrained from doing, they slandered the victims to make themselves justified in harming the victim (i.e. making them victim out to be like themselves was regarded as their motivation for doing evil--but the real motivation is they wanted to feed off the victims in some manner and they wanted to control them victims). You could lump the perpetrators together under: False Accuser). They were truly under law without motive. The intent underlying could be perceived by stepping back and seeing the pattern of a motivation common among the perpetrators: inhibit light, to block good, temple desecration and inversion of control (matter over soul rather than other way around).


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from Mapping Gender in Ancient Religious Discourses edited by Todd C. Penner, Caroline Vander Stichele

Irrumator is synonymous with sodomizer...hmm..what a coincidence


The victims were for the most part harmless types. So finding the motivation was rather challenging. The perpetrators of felonies felt justified by their beliefs to get the victims into into servitude, peonage--to steal from them. The Bible is one of the few texts that explains the phenomenon with unmistakable clarity and pattern. Other historical text corroborate.

In several cases associated with university dorms, where male students were being drugged by fellow students and sodomized. The primary perpetrators were professedly Catholics or they had attended Catholic High Schools. The point isn't to say bad of Roman Catholics. Any given organization might have those who are corrupt or stray from its tenets giving the organization a bad name--this it to relate facts and patterns that are too much of a clear pattern to call a mere coincidence. When historical texts surface that point to sodomy being a kind of 'rite' or a tool of 'domination', the intent behind the pattern emerges.

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On another note, imagine being attacked for exercising your right to disbelieve lies. Imagine there being a death penalty for waking up sleeping victims. In some jurisdictions there is a death penalty for telling or believing the truth!

Re: The Vir
The Romans had a peculiar view or fixation on "penetration" of any kind whether with a needle or with a penis or with a sword to the extent that the penetrator was viewed as a kind of dominator of the penetrated (innoculations/vaccinations, sodomy, beheading, impaling, blood drinking, natural copulation, etc.) Interestingly enough there was a social class system where the top (non-penetrated) were called "the Vir" and those penetrated were regarded to be subject to the Vir. Google is suppressing searches on the Vir, hmm wonder why....

Related:
ISIS A Sodomy Cult With Longings for Old Pagan Empire? (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/03/05/is-islam-a-sodomy-cult-that-desires-to-bring-the-world-into-a-sodomized-pagan-empire/)

xparte
06-26-15, 04:30 AM
Rules are useful, but usage rules.

What’s on your driver’s license? My so called NAME RESERVATION or resdient address a birthing/day and THE DRIVER CLASS . A brief meeting with the REGISTRAR on how John James; Esquire plans the future without the useful rules governing a DRIVER LICENSE as i carefully explained the USAGE a Driver is privileged with operating a motor vehicle upon a public highway with his valid Commercial Operator License or DRIVER LICENSE THE privileged one thats holding aDRIVER license the commercial operator or the chauffeur is not required to have an operator's license or a DRIVER,S license .What are you suspending if Drivers must have a license.what does that leave me with no DRIVER,S OR OPERATOR,S license well Sir for our private record a peaceful surrender and my a voluntary return of the CROWN,S DRIVER,S and OPERATOR,S all if, s and butt.s are now noticed John James ; The travelling Esquire enjoying his common law wife,s or wife plated insured and registered auto my lawful conveyance . A usage over RULED [penetration r4now ]Drivers' License Act, since a driver's license is not known to the law because the act only authorizes issuance of operators' commercial operators' and chauffeurs' license and use of term "driver" interchangeably with term "operator" would not be authorized in view of definition in the act of term driver as meaning every person who drives or is in actual physical possession of a vehicle or worse possession of the truth.

allodial
06-26-15, 08:30 AM
Re: Bull, Moon, Mouni
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xparte
06-26-15, 06:17 PM
The Papal Bull the pregnancy and cash cow PROPERTY OF ROME the moon Cast system shadows then clouds innocence the there is a saying, “If an honest man who is misinformed is informed of the
truth, he either ceases to be misinformed or ceases to be honest.” [with himself] The wall street Bull and its Bully thy self be true never take life bye the horns its a moon shadow the false creation truly a carnal prick =% girly parts forms a bitter person paper nation. Man,s encounters are all Biblical Battles Mind fields the Commercial DRIVERS ARE DRIVEN in the image of divinity. CARNAL Driver,s require a shadow Driver,s LICENCE to express that trespass . Travel in time or a journey in haste. Re: Levels of Interpretation (Events) Life uneventful event are we just prescribed eventuality or do we need a DOCTOR,S PRESCRIPTION that RX-Religious Geographical labelled bottled medicated doctrine free will /ill will TRUE Medicine or ITS placebo all events might end today or start tomorrow its no accident a Circle is bound. My off topic a distraction or intermission the random yet disruptive thought I apologise for my graffiti if distracting the riders. interruption never stops the train.

allodial
06-26-15, 06:37 PM
Re: American Native Philosophy

The Jesuits were not to remain for long the only ones interested in the Indians. in the eighteenth century a profusion of texts appeared which confirmed or contradicted each other. The French traveller and writer Baron de la Hontan was perhaps the first of those whose avowed aim was to make a critical assessment of his contemporaries. In 1703, he published Voyages du Baron de la Hontan dans I'Amerique septentrionale ("The Travels of Baron de la Hontan in North America"). His work was so successful that it was reprinted twenty-five times between 1703 and 1758. In his Dialogue ou entretiens entre un sauvage et le Baron de la Hontan "Dialogue or Conversations between a Savage and Baron de la Hontan"), the baron ridicules the evangelization project and reports the words of an Indian, Adario, who takes issue with the dogmas of the Catholic Church and then attacks the person of the king: "... we are born free and closely united, each as important as anyone else, whereas you are all the slaves of one man."


But the first explorers noted that the people they encountered lived in freedom from rulers and social classes based on ownership of property, without money.

A Huron Indian said, "We are born free and united brothers, each as much a great lord as any other, while you are all the slaves of one man.I am the master of my body, I dispose of myself, I do what I wish, I am the first and last of my Nation…subject only to the great Spirit."

An Indian chief living in what is now Argentina said, "If I were to use orders or force on my comrades, they could turn their backs on me at once….I prefer to be loved by them, not feared."

But Hobbes, in Leviathan, described them as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short” and Kant, foreshadowing two centuries of racist thought said they “are incapable of governing themselves and are destined for extermination". {Maybe Hobbes was envious realizing his own condition compared to theirs?}

But what is freedom? In the West it was originally thought of as freedom from being subjugated by another race of group. Being subject to one man, a king, was anathema to the Native Americans, not so, to the Europeans.

And how free are we today? We walk around attired in clothes with commercial brands messaged across them. We identify with these messages in ways which suggest a slavery to fashion and to companies who exploit our desires for the benefit of their shareholders.

And in the process, choice is what is denied to us. In Peru, there were over three thousand varieties of potato grown there, of every conceivable color and taste - by {so-called} 'Savages'. Now, in North America, there are hardly twenty varieties commonly available,


Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 1 Cor. 7:23

I also recall there being a question asked made by Jesus or another along the lines of: "How can the servants of one man judge a man?" Maybe the "Indians" were slaughtered because they asserted similar ideologies as those of the Essenes or OT Hebrews?

Re: Essenes and "Indians"
It is said that the Essenes on Mount Carmel believed the land was sacred so avoided building permanent structures, that they lived in tents or yurts. Hmm what a coincidence, many Native Americas had the same views and lived in tents or teepees.


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xparte
06-26-15, 09:13 PM
Christ concious ask A King get Kings opinion, ask God get true concious .. we are born free and closely united, each as important as anyone else, whereas you are all the slaves of one man."If you are wise and prone to evaluating information before making a decision, you possess sagacity, the trait of solid judgment and intelligent choices. sagacity indeed the case, if one and all are Slaves to STATE giving it the "wisdom." Just remember that it contains the word "sage," which means "wise one" — our wise ancestors were called "Sages." Adario, we need to remember that in the 17th and 18th Centuries, sagacity meant "the acute sense of smell in animals." How humbling. Still, if you display wisdom and sagacity, you can sniff out a good idea from a bad one. The Iroquoian are made up of three groups: the Huron, the Petun and the Neutral. Born of the Creator KINGS HAVE CONQUERED MEN people The RESERVATION is on paper .The long house thread pass the talking stick. keyboard fancy fiction stick.

allodial
06-26-15, 10:08 PM
... we need to remember that in the 17th and 18th Centuries, sagacity meant "the acute sense of smell in animals." How humbling. Still, if you display wisdom and sagacity, you can sniff out a good idea from a bad one.

And then there is the ability to smell a rat, a snake or .... a dragon.

xparte
06-27-15, 01:44 AM
The wisdom of the American [Indian] First Peoples that freedom lost is a plundered treasure . No Men are perfect in thought were all sure too find out quick what one is thinking. With his Acts and Deeds moralized.