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allodial
03-13-15, 08:55 AM
2357 (http://www.charlescoty.com/user/Israel%20and%20the%20Church%20-%20A%20Preterist%20Approach%20to%20the%20Israelfra ge%20-%20Sam%20Frost.pdf)
[more/source (http://www.charlescoty.com/user/Israel%20and%20the%20Church%20-%20A%20Preterist%20Approach%20to%20the%20Israelfra ge%20-%20Sam%20Frost.pdf)]

Related:

Israel and the Church: A Preterist Approach to the Israelfrage (http://www.charlescoty.com/user/Israel%20and%20the%20Church%20-%20A%20Preterist%20Approach%20to%20the%20Israelfra ge%20-%20Sam%20Frost.pdf) (source/full article-PDF)
Luke-Acts and Christian Supersessionism (http://home.earthlink.net/~revschaef/restoringisrael.html)
Cyrus Scofield - Who Was He? (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm)
Rebuilding the Third Temple - 363 A.D. (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1389-Rebuilding-the-Third-Temple-363-A-D)

Michael Joseph
03-13-15, 09:06 PM
Religion is truly a sickness.

xparte
03-14-15, 01:28 AM
If God needs to be put on paper then re-legion is mens rea for the re - venue of God. God is no re species actor of persons thats my journal for that speculative fiction, temple was destroyed God was,nt The Christ over turned the tables in that temple the temple cant overturn that truth rebuilding for a messianic miracle pagans they burnt down a gambling house the messianic truth Christ was the message that's no miracle if u get the message you lose the sickness .

allodial
03-14-15, 01:30 AM
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Religion is truly a sickness.

From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?


Nimrod as a mighty hunter founded a powerful kingdom; and the founding of this kingdom is shown by the verb with vav consecutive, to have been the consequence or result of his strength in hunting, so that hunting was intimately connected with the establishing of the kingdom. Hence, if the expression "a mighty hunter" relates primarily to hunting in the literal sense, we must add to the literal meaning the figurative signification of a "hunter of men" (a trapper of men by stratagem and force); Nimrod the hunter became a tyrant, a powerful hunter of men... -Source: Commentaries On the Old Testament (by C.F.Keil and F. Delitzsch) translated from German

It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.

Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.


Attalus III had little interest in ruling Pergamon, devoting his time to studying medicine, botany, gardening, and other pursuits. He had no male children or heirs of his own, and in his will he left the kingdom to the Roman Republic.

The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar): it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attalus_III) bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?

In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested by the author or others that the "seat of Satan" (or at least control of it then) was transferred to the control of Rome or the Romans in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar (as in successors) in the view of the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.

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2358

I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".

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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 05:42 PM
Religion is truly a sickness.

Mar_10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

Chief Priests = Religion
Scribes = Teachers of Religion
Gentiles = thoughts of carnal mind

Arguing over religion is the death of Christ. Emotional Intellectualism is in the WEST - where Ephraim camps. I don't care one bit for history or literalism, that does not help me in the least bit! That in my opinion is choosing Death over Life. Life is in the Spirit.

So Religion is a grave sickness that some cling to like a Linus Blanket! Once an heir appears those steeped in religion will immediately seek to kill the joy he has found with their institutionalized religion. The little foxes spoil the vine.

I sure am glad that I don't need any of that ilk. And this offends religionists. Once The Way is known, the taught ones are no longer in need of instruction! There is no longer a ten percent tithe in money! For the taught ones know the ten percent is a tithe of their own vain reasonings. If the people ever get taught, the religionists are out of a job!

For then, behold we would ALL be a Kingdom of Priests. Whereof are states required? Whereof are religions required? Yet this threatens the ego and power and wealth. Therefore, the scribes cling to what THEY THINK they know - and therefore these deliver Christ to their lower mind to put Christ to death at the place of the SKULL. Which is to say CALVARY - Cranium.

I did not say these are who put Jesus to death- these kill Christ. They say "come He is the heir, let us kill him and the estate shall be ours." Our religion will have the corner on the market!

Nevertheless is one is filled with Christ and gains a political following - then that one become dangerous to the religious establishments - and therefore, that one is dangerous to the Control program. Therefore eventually the holy rollers will think to kill the man as well - Religion is grand - isn't it? What a sad joke!

Religion is a gross darkness. By that I mean traditions, history, and intellectualism - these are all vanity. And there is no fruit to be had from these.

There is an accuser in my house - my carnal mind - which tells me that with the knowledge that I have come to possess, I could stake a claim in God and come to rule over many. Some call this Satan or the Devil - which in my opinion is mere weakness. It allows them to point the finger at another so that they don't have to take personal liability for themselves. Fact is, I overcome those weaknesses in Christ thru the Abraham/Sarah aspect of myself. God is with me - I AM.

Therefore, I do not count it robbery to say that I am equal with God for in those moments the Father and I are one! Amen.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 06:50 PM
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From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?



It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.

Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.



The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar): it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attalus_III) bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?

In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested that the Seat of Satan then was transferred to Rome in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar for the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.

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2358

I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".

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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.

How does some city being destroyed in 70 AD help me in the least bit today? When I began to understand that Nimrod/Herod are aspects of my lower carnal mind then i began to see. Herod will ALWAYS seek to imprison John [who is also an aspect of me]. Why? Because the spiritual impulse will always be arrested by the carnal mind that wants what it wants. And when the desires become too great - Herod will always cut off the head of John so that his, I mean MY, way can be accomplished.


I mean who wants to live with a guilty conscience?

Otherwise who gives a rats ass about some crusty dude who lives in a cave near the river wearing camels hair, eating locusts and honey? Yep, no allegory there! Must have happened! Please, spare me.

A camel can carry water [truth of God] within its own body thru a wasteland or desert [this carnal life]. Whilst others are dying of thirst [allegorically the truth of God] the camel has enough truth [wise virgins] to sustain.

A locust is a devourer of the field - strips it bare. John devours the devourer. Therefore the John aspect of me, my Higher Mind is not ruled by the carnal aspect of me.

I mean c'mon even if there was a Herod and a John - why do I care even in the least bit? What so that I might be justified in my intellect. Look at me, I'm the great man - I have the great brain - Who cares! What are we gonna do today Brain, we're taking over the world!

Old Pirates yes they rob I
sold I to the merchant ships (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrY9eHkXTa4)

Some [literalists] say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book......


Shalom,
MJ

BLBereans
03-14-15, 06:51 PM
religion (n.)

c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-French religiun (11c.), Old French religion "piety, devotion; religious community," and directly from Latin religionem (nominative religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods; conscientiousness, sense of right, moral obligation; fear of the gods; divine service, religious observance; a religion, a faith, a mode of worship, cult; sanctity, holiness," in Late Latin "monastic life" (5c.).

According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." In that case, the re- would be intensive. Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. In English, meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300; sense of "recognition of and allegiance in manner of life (perceived as justly due) to a higher, unseen power or powers" is from 1530s.


To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name. [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]

source (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion)

I concur with allodial; it all depends upon how one defines "religion". Some come from a position of angry detest due to the legalistic, ritualistic, hypocritical, etc. manner in which most religion is practiced. I for the most part agree, although not as vehemently as some who hurl absolute disgust towards the uniformed and temporarily lost/ignorant souls who are not yet in FULL cognizance of God's truth and knowledge. I reserve that vitriol for those who DO FULLY KNOW and yet choose to deceive and rebel, since that is a direct affront to our Father in Heaven.

Stating that everything in scripture is allegorical is akin to esoterism/gnostcism; these are the same sentiments put forth by this ilk:

material/matter = ALWAYS BAD

spiritual = ALWAYS GOOD

Nothing can be further from the truth. There are those who have never taken on flesh who will perish forever. There are those who were born of flesh who will reign over those who were not.

The end game is a global Eden, an actual Kingdom on earth, whereby our Lord and King Jesus The Christ will reign forever together with man whom God created in His image for that purpose.

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 07:27 PM
Some [literalists] say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book......

When I sacrifice my strength [vanity] then I am weak - and God is STRONG. Amen. God dwells in you. In ALL. Even the Iraqi people, the Chinese, the Russians - for in reality these are merely named trusts - a societal mask. We are ALL children of the most High God.

When I come to the cave in the mountain - remember Lot- the Higher Mind - then I will ask my Father, the King, if it is okay for me to intercourse with the Holy Spirit - I will ask of Her, my Mother - and she will not withhold that which is good. Try NOT to think about sex and incest - do you see how the lower mind fights against you? Can't you feel it within yourself?

2Sa 13:1 And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her.

2Sa 13:2 And Amnon was so vexed, that he fell sick for his sister Tamar; for she was a virgin; and Amnon thought it hard for him to do any thing to her.

2Sa 13:3 But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah David's brother: and Jonadab was a very subtil man.

2Sa 13:4 And he said unto him, Why art thou, being the king's son, lean from day to day? wilt thou not tell me? And Amnon said unto him, I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister.

2Sa 13:5 And Jonadab said unto him, Lay thee down on thy bed, and make thyself sick: and when thy father cometh to see thee, say unto him, I pray thee, let my sister Tamar come, and give me meat, and dress the meat in my sight, that I may see it, and eat it at her hand.

2Sa 13:6 So Amnon lay down, and made himself sick: and when the king was come to see him, Amnon said unto the king, I pray thee, let Tamar my sister come, and make me a couple of cakes in my sight, that I may eat at her hand.

2Sa 13:7 Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, Go now to thy brother Amnon's house, and dress him meat.

2Sa 13:8 So Tamar went to her brother Amnon's house; and he was laid down. And she took flour, and kneaded it, and made cakes in his sight, and did bake the cakes.

2Sa 13:9 And she took a pan, and poured them out before him; but he refused to eat. And Amnon said, Have out all men from me. And they went out every man from him.

2Sa 13:10 And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother.


2Sa 13:11 And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.

2Sa 13:12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.

2Sa 13:13 And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.

Comment: Now don't let that ball get under your glove. You gotta keep your eye on the ball. Get it "eyeball".....continuing....Did you just read that? It says that if Amnon would have just asked David, then David would have allowed him to have sex with Tamar. Now clearly reader this is NOT what it means. This sexual act is an act which ALLEGORICALLY speaks to our minds! Let's see if Herod, I mean Amnon will be satisfied to ask David or will he just rush right in to fulfill his desires.

2Sa 13:14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.

2Sa 13:15 Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.

2Sa 13:16 And she said unto him, There is no cause: this evil in sending me away is greater than the other that thou didst unto me. But he would not hearken unto her.

2Sa 13:17 Then he called his servant that ministered unto him, and said, Put now this woman out from me, and bolt the door after her.

Comment: Now look carefully at v17, when he was done with her he cast her out and locked the door to his carnal house. Do you see what this is telling you? It means he is barring the way into the upper realms of God - Higher Consciousness. And his servants are his CARNAL THOUGHTS. He justifies himself! Now if you are a female reading this - in the analogy the Mind is male [Jacob] with two wives Leah [emotional nature] and Rachel [spiritual nature]. Amnon is the lower mind who thought to force Tamar/Rachel/Rebecca/Sarah. This results in Religion - and puts to death Christ.


Friends clearly IN THIS ANALOGY David represents the Most High God. Tamar is the Holy Spirit and Amnon is our lower mind! Absalom is our Higher Mind. Haven't you heard, "They THINK to take the Kingdom of God by FORCE". So Amnon rapes his sister, but if he had only ASKED the King, then the King would have allowed it.

Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force. Look around you friend - what do you see? War, violence, hatred - these are all fruits of the carnal mind.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Do not think that the days of John the Baptist were 2000 years ago - John is an aspect of you. And Herod is an aspect of you. Now is the days of John the Baptist.

Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force.

And after Amnon gets his way - he does not want a guilty conscience so he throws the woman out. Geez, is there no wonder why men have oppressed the woman for ages in their ignorance, they oppress that which was meant for their good. They just don't understand.

For just as Lot was in the "cave of the mountain" which is to say in Higher Consciousness - he too was in intercourse with his daughters - notice IN THAT ALLEGORY - again we see the spiritual women of the house. Else, there we go again, a man of God having sex with his daughters - how Holy and righteous Lot is. ABSURD.

Nevertheless the truth plays out in Nature all around us - thus we are the microcosm and nature the macrocosm. Therefore:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So the literal words reveal an invisible truth. I would hate to be a woman in the house of a literalist. By oppressing the woman in my house, I oppress myself!

I am the creator of WAR - within me.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 07:39 PM
Speaking to the topic - the Spiritual truth regarding the topic....

Those who are the Israel of God - are the chosen People - Judah. This is entirely Spiritual. This has NOTHING to do with race, creed or gender. These folks are of [children] the right hand. So that they might produce fruits of joy and happiness in the left hand. Balance.

Otherwise to claim a particular special race of people, is to deny Christ. This is antichrist. For the Scriptures declare that God is not a respecter of men or women.

Therefore Israel and the Church is improperly framed - if one speaks to race and religion - that is perpetually without the Kingdom of God. Therefore so is LITERALISM.

I think it was Jesus who said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world". But who listens to Jesus. Nevertheless men erect their towers of babel and stay upon their own religious creations. It makes it easier to point the finger and thus fulfill the desire to be right.

Enter WAR stage left (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJAIVsIK_IE).


Therefore one must find balance. The Spiritual truths found in the Higher Realms of God must drop down and manifest in the fleshly realms of this world age - and then change shall come - Real Change. Lies promoted to a desperate public will never effect change for the good. That house is built on sand. Be it religious or political.

Wisdom is known by her children. How you doing friend?


Shalom,
MJ

BLBereans
03-14-15, 08:35 PM
Your points regarding things of the hidden realm being played out on earth are well taken. Who can deny God's Will Be Done, on Earth as it is in Heaven?

That being said; why the leap to deny the material/earthly existence of John the Baptist, Herod, Abraham, Moses, etc.? Would you apply the same logic to yourself? You are NOT really there in the flesh; you are a figment of illusion to all others that gaze upon you with what they ignorantly believe are fleshly eyes.

How do you know for sure these men did not actually walk the earth? Were you there at that time?

Why does the belief that these men actually walked the earth automatically morph into total carnality according to your viewpoint? Why is it essential to adopt a TOTALLY allegorical stance in order to gain wisdom from scripture? Is there not ANYTHING pertaining to life on earth, in the physical realm, that is good in your view?

A gnostic would agree that there is NOTHING material that is good which means: God is a liar and/or we are all under the same delusion that the material/physical universe actually exists.

I myself see BOTH allegorical AND literal elements in scripture - a symbiotic relationship of knowledge and guidance provided to us by the Creator of the Heavens and the PHYSICAL earth.

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 10:43 PM
Your points regarding things of the hidden realm being played out on earth are well taken. Who can deny God's Will Be Done, on Earth as it is in Heaven?

That being said; why the leap to deny the material/earthly existence of John the Baptist, Herod, Abraham, Moses, etc.? Would you apply the same logic to yourself? You are NOT really there in the flesh; you are a figment of illusion to all others that gaze upon you with what they ignorantly believe are fleshly eyes.

How do you know for sure these men did not actually walk the earth? Were you there at that time?

Why does the belief that these men actually walked the earth automatically morph into total carnality according to your viewpoint? Why is it essential to adopt a TOTALLY allegorical stance in order to gain wisdom from scripture? Is there not ANYTHING pertaining to life on earth, in the physical realm, that is good in your view?

A gnostic would agree that there is NOTHING material that is good which means: God is a liar and/or we are all under the same delusion that the material/physical universe actually exists.

I myself see BOTH allegorical AND literal elements in scripture - a symbiotic relationship of knowledge and guidance provided to us by the Creator of the Heavens and the PHYSICAL earth.


Jesus Christ said the Kingdom of God is within me. I believe him. I have not denied the possibility of the physical existence of any of the actors in Scripture - what i maintain is why do i care about some fellas who existed in some city thousands and thousands of years ago. Whether they existed or not does not help me one bit. So I really don't care. But what they stand for Allegorically Speaking helps me today! Wisdom is known of her children! The allegory teaches me about Me. And whether not men existed in some city and did some stuff - well I could care less.

I really don't care if they existed or not. I have put Issac to death - religion and its actors bore me. I am free in Christ. I am Immanuel - and so are you. God dwells within the tabernacle of Mankind. I do not respond to defend against your thoughts that is the beauty - you are free and so am I. Therefore I shall not oppress you and neither you me.

If you need the physical, then so be it. I don't need to think of these actors as physical. I have forgiven my worst enemy, me. I mean, c'mon why do I care one bit about some guy name John? I mean really, like I am to believe for one moment that a bunch of english sounding guys John, Peter, Paul and Mary were walking about in a Hebrew city. Me thinks the names have been changed but the song remains the same.

The hair therefore symbolizes the Spiritual truths descending into the lower nature whereof said truth effect a change. I have no idea what gnostism is and I really do not require another boring religion to appease my intellect. That's what the carnal mind requires - justification.

FOR ME - the Scriptures come ALIVE when i see into the Spiritual. A bunch of girls and boys doing stuff is quite boring to me. Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't. But when I come to understand the allegory and what it means TO ME, then I too can walk on water. And not just me but all of us.

For we are all equipped with the same hardware just exactly like the man Jesus had. Now I tell you this day that I am doing better than Jesus. And with great gasps the audience screams blasphemy. Well friends, lets see what Jesus said. I think I will obey Jesus and I really don't care one bit for the religious control mechanisms which seek to keep me in slavery.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Clearly religion teaches that we can do better than Jesus, right? No? I wonder why? I have made the blind to see. I have made the lame walk. Can religion do these things? Not in a million years! Religion seeks its own comfort, its own power, its own control, its own period.

For she [religion] says:

Pro 7:7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
Pro 7:8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,
Pro 7:9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:
Pro 7:10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
Pro 7:11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:
Pro 7:12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

Pro 7:15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
Pro 7:16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.
Pro 7:17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
Pro 7:18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.
Pro 7:19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

Pro 7:24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.
Pro 7:25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.
Pro 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Comment: Go to her [religion] if you want. I shall attend to the Dark Saying found in the Bible. I run from her house she is death.

Pro 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

Psa 78:1 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
Psa 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.


Who can understand the Parables [Allegory] and the Dark Sayings? Their physical eyes blind the spiritual eyes. Eat of the fruit says emotional intellectualism [Eve] so she gave to the Mind [Adam] and he did eat and his spiritual eyes closed and his physical opened.

Jesus Christ never opened up his mouth except that he spoke in a parable.


Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:


Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. So why do I care about some dudes walking in some desert dry land. Plainly put - I don't. I want the TRUTH - I don't really need the "free fish sandwich" [5 loaves - 2 fishes].

From my perspective Mind proceeds matter. Religion today, just like the Jewish Church, is seeking their hero to come and extinguish Rome. There is nothing new under the sun. Funny how Elijah didn't wait. He withstood the 450 lawyers. Which is to say the servants of the Carnal Mind - Ahab is Lower Mind; Jezebal is Emotional Intellect which births the children of desire.

Or, I could be fleshly and cheer a man who - FOR MY SIDE - killed 450 men. Go Elijah. Kill those infidels - they deserve it. Elijah, Elijah, he's our man...Go Elijah....Hooray for Elijah. Those guys deserved it. Elijah must have been Christian. Yes, I am sure of it!


Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave

Dogs of war - Pink Floyd

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So the Christian Bible says it is okay to kill the heathen and the Muslim Bible says its okay to kill the heathen....and perhaps, maybe perhaps - both readers are incredibly blind to the Allegorical meaning - which is to say the Carnal Mind must be subdued and brought into submission to the Higher Mind.

I'm just sayin' - but you call the ball. Therefore don't trust me or any other man. Hey READER who do you think will win the war ISLAM or CHRISTIANITY? Let's kill them all in the name of our God! ABSURDITY.


Pro 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.





Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-14-15, 11:12 PM
Of course the physical city of Jerusalem lies in ruin and therefore physically speaking what does that say about the human mind? For the gates represent the 12 aspects of thought and the hidden 13th - Dinah the virgin.

The male dominated religion always harp on the sons of Jacob - Dinah the virgin it seems has been forgotten. Shechem/Amnon will always seek to take Dinah/Tamar by force!

The kingdoms of the world [carnal mind] thought to take her by force. What is new under the sun? Nothing.

Same song different names.

BLBereans
03-14-15, 11:59 PM
"Why do I care..."

It's obvious to any reader that you don't. Is that the point?

You say, "Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't."

We get it, you don't care; but why the non-committal and contradicting statement, "Sure he did....Whether he did or not". Sounds a bit like you are unwilling to make a firm stand either way yet you deride those who do if they do not choose the direction in which you lean.

I too am just sayin'...

As to parables: can it not be interpreted as to mean the necessity of Jesus to articulate His gospel to the multitudes by using analogies which they could better understand in their own historical/cultural context? Why does speaking in parables have to mean hiding the truth - secrets? The apostles knew without the need for explanation/clarification; they were chosen and had understanding of these things by direct revelation unlike the yet untaught multitude. Isn't that the reason for preaching? Isn't that the correct method of preaching; to reach others in ways they can understand? Parable = Analogy.

As to greater works: can it not be interpreted that the greater works would be the worldwide spread of the gospel; the birth, life and death of Jesus The Christ? Couldn't it mean that while Jesus' ministry was only local, the greater church's ministry will be worldwide; something Jesus did not accomplish while on earth?

stoneFree
03-15-15, 01:56 AM
Religion is truly a sickness. "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

Michael Joseph
03-15-15, 02:28 AM
"Why do I care..."

It's obvious to any reader that you don't. Is that the point?

You say, "Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't."

We get it, you don't care; but why the non-committal and contradicting statement, "Sure he did....Whether he did or not". Sounds a bit like you are unwilling to make a firm stand either way yet you deride those who do if they do not choose the direction in which you lean.

I too am just sayin'...

As to parables: can it not be interpreted as to mean the necessity of Jesus to articulate His gospel to the multitudes by using analogies which they could better understand in their own historical/cultural context? Why does speaking in parables have to mean hiding the truth - secrets? The apostles knew without the need for explanation/clarification; they were chosen and had understanding of these things by direct revelation unlike the yet untaught multitude. Isn't that the reason for preaching? Isn't that the correct method of preaching; to reach others in ways they can understand? Parable = Analogy.

As to greater works: can it not be interpreted that the greater works would be the worldwide spread of the gospel; the birth, life and death of Jesus The Christ? Couldn't it mean that while Jesus' ministry was only local, the greater church's ministry will be worldwide; something Jesus did not accomplish while on earth?

Well I guess that is fair enough. What exactly is the Gospel that Jesus taught? It certainly was not about himself. After considerable study I have found that Jesus taught concerning the Kingdom of God and specifically concerning The Way of the Kingdom. Now why pray tell, do you think Religion has that backwards?

I mean to hear the religionists go on one would think that Jesus came to give witness of himself. But lets just see if we can see what Jesus said concerning that fact.

Joh_5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Clearly Christ did not ordain the church in Jesus' day. In fact it was the State sponsored religion. Well let me see, yep as I look around nothing has changed. A watered down white washed gospel concerning God knows what is taught. A Gospel that glorifies Jesus. And in fact Jesus specifically instructed the Disciplined Ones - do not worship me.

Well lets just see if the undisciplined ones are to understand the mysteries of the kingdom shall we? You know, the ones right, those who worship Jesus and do not in any way shape or form walk in The Way of God according to the gospel of Jesus which is the Kingdom of God.

Mat_13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Well friend unto you it is given to know too. However religion blinds the spiritual eyes and as such many remain without.

Specifically, unto the personage known as BLBEREANS, If you feel derided it is a self indictment. I have derided noone. I will not yield to religion. I just have a different perspective. I can see zero reason why any man should be lifted up before my eyes. In fact we are commanded to do just the opposite and yet folks lift up Jesus in direct disobedience to the Top Ten.

The Kingdom of God is come. Well now shall we get a better handle on this gospel that Jesus taught. You know the one that should be preached - but is not.

Mar_1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Comment: Well, dadgumit, I wonder did Jesus just say the Kingdom of God is at hand? I wonder what the religionists are waiting for? Death perhaps? Is everyone asleep or did you just realize dear reader that Jesus said "the time is fulfilled" - that is PAST TENSE. And then comes the Kingdom of God is AT HAND - that is NOW. Not later - that is right now!

Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.


Entering into what? The knowledge of the Kingdom of God specifically concerning The Way of God.

Mal 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

Mal 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

Comment: Priests causing many to stumble at the law is an understatement of understatements.

Mal 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Comment: The Law of course is spiritual - but of course religion has made it fleshly and physical.

Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

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Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:

Comment: And according as I am commanded - I shall say - RELIGION SHALL FALL>

Eze 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

Eze 13:12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?


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Concerning religion:

Eze 13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:


Comment: v 22 is religion 101 - just believe - in what - who knows.

Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-15-15, 02:41 AM
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

Amen. You got it. Spiritual Books in the hands of religious zealots is why we have war. For while many have a zeal for God they lack knowledge. Yes indeed that dog will hunt!

Rom_10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Comment: Establishment of their own righteousness is called, you got it, RELIGION.


So what does our Creator want of us?

Left Hand - Charity or Love for others
Right Hand - Knowledge of God


Hos 6:6 For I desired charity, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands THINKING themselves to be pleasing to God. They don't understand their own book!

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands. Pray tell, where does God dwell. Well Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within me. That just can't be says the religionist. Come on down to our building, why we can put you into a Salvation Package for just ten percent down. And once you die, then we will deliver on the goods.

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


Comment: KNOWING THYSELF is the LAST thing religion teaches - that is eastern mythology. Think again.

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Comment: Well, what can I say. Hmmmm. That Salvation Package is starting to look like a SHAM!

1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Comment: Gee, I am starting to get the point. What do I need religion for when I can begin to know myself and learn of the Kingdom of God within. REVELATION - I don't need religion at all! I am free!

Let the white dove return. May Medusa's head be cut off [carnal mind] and carnal thoughts [snakes] and let the White Horse come This Day - For My Mother said : To Day if you can hear His voice!

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-15-15, 02:59 AM
What's more important the Love Letter or the Love? When I was away I used to write my sweetheart with the hope and expectancy that we should have a face to face fulfillment of our love. Why does religion put the letter above the relationship?

I am Jacob, I am Moses: And so is every man and woman:

Gen_32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exo_33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.


Comment: Nevertheless men love their heroes. Why Moses was a Great Man - I could never be like Moses - HOGWASH - you are Moses - IF and ONLY IF - you have been drawn out of the waters of God's Truth. You ascend the Mountain wherein the Fire is atop the Mountain - and you are baptized in Fire by the Holy Spirit.

Apparently this woman never got the memo that God is unavailable until some futuristic return:

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Son 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Son 2:6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Son 2:7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

Son 2:8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

Comment: Abraham, Lot, Jesus all went up into the high Mountain. It is there that Christ is found in higher consciousness - the Upper Room a garden eastward in Eden. I suppose many think a face to face relationship is unobtainable. I wonder why? A rhetorical question, of course.

A knowing is required! And this is where religion binds most. This is where the ignorant hurl their darts. But lets just see what the Bible says shall we:

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Comment: Gee, somewhere else Romans 7:14 we learned the LAW was physical....no it was literal....no that's not it.....oh yes, It is Spiritual! Ah yes, that's it. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.

Shalom,
MJ

xparte
03-15-15, 09:12 AM
Areus, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high LEVI priest, greetings. It has been discovered in a document concerning the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and are of the race of Abraham" (I Maccabees 12:20-21) The first century Historian Flavius Josephus also records this letter in his writings. Four symbols are used in the Bible concerning the Danites; a serpent, an eagle, a lion, and the bees. In the story of Samson we find the famous riddle of the bees who made honey in the carcass of a lion which had been killed by Samson. The symbolic nature of the bees could represent the concept that the descendents of the tribe of Dan would one day try to bring about the destruction of the tribe of Judah, whose symbol was the lion. Of interest, throughout the centuries, the Merovingian (European) royalty have for centuries been tied to the symbol of bees.if this looks like a cut and paste i assure you its in the general nature of good taste .if Man When Moses gave his prophecies of the 12 tribes, he said that Benjamin would "dwell between the shoulders of Judah" (Deuteronomy 33:12), and that Dan, "as a lion's whelp, would leap from Bashan" (Deuteronomy 33:22). Bashan was located in ancient Lebanon. That Mosaic prediction came to pass when the tribe of Dan was deprived of its territory adjacent to Judah, moved north to Lebanon, and established its territory in Bashan. From there the Danites made a symbolic leap into obscurity (Europe; Germany? Denmark? Danube River? Irish Tuatha de Danann? Rome? Greece?).

In Judges 18 the tribe of Dan established an idolatrous religion - the worship of the sun and moon.Pagan Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.All spiritual, intelligent, communicative, relational, moral and purposeful capacities, with a Synergy. , though all humans possess these godlike capacities, each of us has the potential to express them distinctively, because God's image has been imprinted uniquely on each of us. In God's infinite creativity there are no duplicates; you are the only you there has ever been or ever will be.
The Synergy.of Christ Moses Dylan or Fredrick Douglas Plato Neil deGrasse Tyson Einstein Allan watts why some men become great is how they focused on how all men need to be the same no greater no less if u been told who u are u can start doin what your told what u are is what your told .the greatest lye has the greatest liar find your the great truth, God has never penned a paper has Christ read the written word of God. I AM is God name what then is Gods name I AM
God holds the difference Christ paid that difference all religion still begs the difference just that one war in heaven? ?

BLBereans
03-15-15, 05:31 PM
"Christ Consciousness" - a term right out of New Age Gnosticism and Theosophy.

I believe it makes all the difference whether or not one believes Jesus was/is God incarnate; that is also something He clearly made known and I too believe Him. I believe He was The Unique Son of God; He is God, yet NOT the Father. He is the only man to walk the earth who did not commit sin of any kind. Can anyone here say the same? How can one say, "I am Christ" and still commit sinful acts?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ is with us, He does NOT become us. The redemption of the world is done and He has conquered it along with ALL of its ills and iniquity, however, the FINAL blow to sin and those who promote it knowingly and rebelliously, is yet to come. When The Kingdom is FULLY come, there will be no more sin, no more torture, no more murder/killing, no more sickness, no more debate. Are we there yet?

We do not wait for His Kingdom to come, we wait for the establishment of the Kingdom which rules over a global Eden. I do not think anyone here can say we are living that now, can one?

His Kingdom was at hand at the time of His ministry, however, it is NOT yet FULLY realized; here but not yet, at hand but not fully manifest.

Michael Joseph
03-15-15, 06:02 PM
I AM is God name what then is God's name I AM. God holds the difference Christ paid that difference all religion still begs the difference just that one war in heaven?

Religion is a beggar at the gate - a lame man begging alms. I talked to a fella a few days back and he went into a great discourse about how Russia was going to march south on the city of Jerusalem and ....blah, blah, blah.

Dan is in the North - Dan is the emotional nature. Ephraim is in the West - Ephraim is the intellectual nature. Reuben is in the South - Reuben is the physical nature. Judah is in the east - Judah is the spiritual. So then the enemy comes from the North.

Why does religion make God to be a liar? For one race/tribe says "we are chosen" but God says I don't have respect unto persons. So then the men and women who occupy in the Trust Boundary known as Russia [or whatever it is called today] are just as precious to God as the men and women who occupy in the Trust Boundary known as Germany or Israel, or United States or Europe or any state.

However we like to think that God is on our side. And that of course would mean God is not on the side of those who oppose our ideologies and of those who would take our cozy, comfortable lifestyles that we enjoy off the backs of children and those who have not two pennies to rub together. Yep God Bless America - where at least we know we're free! What a joke.

Then of course there is the crowd who says they can't wait to see Jesus - but they of course never do what Jesus says and since they all believe they must die to see he whom they love dearly - so they say - they await the day of their death. I say, why not hurry it along. So I asked the gentleman aforementioned if he loved Jesus so dearly and wanted a face to face relationship so badly why didn't he just prosecute his own death so that he might get to be with his beloved and cherished one! Here is where his hypocrisy shown like a lighthouse in the black of night.

So I ask - come on Mr. religionist, why are you playing games? If Jesus is your beloved and you are love sick with desire to have a face to face relationship, then why are you waiting? There is of course the fall back story - He is coming back any time now. Ahhhhh. And so therefore one wants to be prepared for his coming. Nitey nite - sleep well.

But lets see what Jesus actually said. Because, I grow so weary of those who put words in his mouth.

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Yee haw - that was 2000 +/- years ago. Apparently Jesus did not get the memo from the Higher Ups that the Kingdom would be established at some future date. Jesus said the time is fulfilled [past tense] and the kingdom of God is NOW.

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Addressing a loose end: that being that the parables were understood by the disciples or some such nonsense: Again with traditions of mis-understanding; so let me go forth to win friends...

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

Comment: Gee in v.36 even after Jesus spoke the parable of the tares to everyone, that means you and I friend, Jesus then sent away the multitude that refuses to discipline themselves in the Way that Jesus prescribed and Jesus then explained the parable unto the disciples. I notice that the disciples were the only ones who cared enough to ask "hey, what's that mean?" Does that have value for my life today?

The multitudes form their own vain reasonings which results in their religion - and as such, they remain blind thinking of themselves that they see so far. But notice Jesus sent away the multitude. Gee after hearing the meaning the disciples have to be thinking "Thank God we have God on our side! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_duPtoJgWP4)" Of course the last was in irony.

Indeed the ego wants what it wants - and Herod will remove John's head in order to appease his conscience. Er, Er... I mean I will do what I need to do in order to justify myself and my deeds - as I rationalize myself into the arms of the savior by and thru my phoney religion. That includes finding others to agree with me so that we might all sleep well in our beds. For how can the majority be wrong?

Let me tell you a tale of the North Country Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBxh25N3ss)


Shalom
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-15-15, 06:21 PM
"Christ Consciousness" - a term right out of New Age Gnosticism and Theosophy.

I believe it makes all the difference whether or not one believes Jesus was/is God incarnate; that is also something He clearly made known and I too believe Him. I believe He was The Unique Son of God; He is God, yet NOT the Father. He is the only man to walk the earth who did not commit sin of any kind. Can anyone here say the same? How can one say, "I am Christ" and still commit sinful acts?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ is with us, He does NOT become us. The redemption of the world is done and He has conquered it along with ALL of its ills and iniquity, however, the FINAL blow to sin and those who promote it knowingly and rebelliously, is yet to come. When The Kingdom is FULLY come, there will be no more sin, no more torture, no more murder/killing, no more sickness, no more debate. Are we there yet?

We do not wait for His Kingdom to come, we wait for the establishment of the Kingdom which rules over a global Eden. I do not think anyone here can say we are living that now, can one?

His Kingdom was at hand at the time of His ministry, however, it is NOT yet FULLY realized; here but not yet, at hand but not fully manifest.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

So what is new under the sun?

BLBereans
03-15-15, 06:51 PM
Thank you.

I prefer clarity over agreement.

xparte
03-15-15, 11:43 PM
RE LEGION in a legion was many; hence the word is retained among the [Jews PRIESTS,] and is used for a large number, either of persons or things; as, , "a legion of olives" that is, a large number of them; though sometimes it is used of a single person, who has others under him, as the general of an army: thus it is said that one man should say to another,

"from whence art thou? he replies, from such a "legion" am I;--the man went to the legion--the legion heard, and was afraid--the man said, woe unto me! now will the legion slay me--the legion heard, &c.'' What is plain is a PERSONS RELIGION spells a Man,s legion so God is not a respect er of persons a church is a person If one attends know this attend court is a basilica know this. a [ judge ] shows no respect for persons.Its easy as hell dragging out ones demons Mention Christ is within. ones two wolves internal fight over good or evil the one you feed wins only with the draw still that starving one has the sharper teeth.Eaten with words

Michael Joseph
03-16-15, 12:44 AM
RE LEGION in a legion was many; hence the word is retained among the [Jews PRIESTS,] and is used for a large number, either of persons or things; as, , "a legion of olives" that is, a large number of them; though sometimes it is used of a single person, who has others under him, as the general of an army: thus it is said that one man should say to another,

"from whence art thou? he replies, from such a "legion" am I;--the man went to the legion--the legion heard, and was afraid--the man said, woe unto me! now will the legion slay me--the legion heard, &c.'' What is plain is a PERSONS RELIGION spells a Man,s legion so God is not a respect er of persons a church is a person If one attends know this attend court is a basilica know this. a [ judge ] shows no respect for persons.Its easy as hell dragging out ones demons Mention Christ is within. ones two wolves internal fight over good or evil the one you feed wins only with the draw still that starving one has the sharper teeth.Eaten with words

We must chase the money changers out of the temple - which is to say out of our Higher Mind. The carnal mind is not allowed to enter the temple.

Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

The Chief Priests - are the Great Religions
The scribes - are the Pastors, Priests, Rabbi's

And in fact these put Christ to death - by confining, defining, and refining - that which is Spiritual is packaged in the flesh and those who are fleshly are controlled and ruled.

Jesus, the man, is just like me in every way. If he is not like me in some way, then God is not very nice. Jesus said I and my Father are ONE. I say the same thing.

But religion can't have that! There is no control there, no power. Why if I don't need religion and if everybody wakes up to The Way of God, then those control mechanisms are gone. The church will go from the penthouse to the outhouse.

There is a son of man in everyone of us. And there are scribes and pharisees in everyone of us. Therefore there is a trusted one named Judas in everyone of us as well that is given the duty to betray an aspect of us. This is necessary so that the veil can be cut and Christ may be formed IN US - in me.

Actually, Christ has always been there it is just that I stood in the way. I was standing in the temple [my carnal mind] showing myself to be God. Religion has everyone looking without their body. That way the King can say he is greater than me - by predestination. And the Priest can say he is greater than I - by predestination.

Once the Holy Spirit has come to one there is no need for any man to teach that one. The Mary aspect within that one will bring forth the sons of God - which is to say the Divine Creative aspects of God - Thoughts of God - White Cattle Pure and undefiled. Whereof is religion? Here there is no need for faith - there is an understanding and Wisdom is justified by her children. There is no need of faith when the hope is manifest.

Religion keeps one in perpetual hope - never realized.

Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Religion has one thinking he must die to know God

Shalom,
MJ

xparte
03-16-15, 01:35 AM
Patience is promise all promise needs polish MJ nothing remains darker then the truth thanx for your shine

Michael Joseph
03-16-15, 02:17 AM
Patience is promise all promise needs polish MJ nothing remains darker then the truth thanx for your shine

Thank you. We limit ourselves. But Jesus Christ said "ye are the light of the world" - but unfortunately we let others put us down and we begin to believe it. We no longer declare in the way of God - we beg and plead. But the Word tells us to declare as if we have. Declare thyself.

The limited mind is always seeking without himself. Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles first happens within me. Daniel prayed three times a day. Religion has folks believing that these Feasts will happen one day. Why not Today? Today is a good day!

You know what is terrible? Religion has folks in fear of being on the wrong team. This is a terrible position of fear - always doubting, always hoping "did I make the right decision". But Jesus Christ taught the way of God. Yet it seems religion is afraid of that way. Is there any wonder?

Religion is a SHAM. A beggar in the gate. A blind man, a lame man. Religion denies Christ - three times.

Tell me religionists what did the Shulamite woman mean when she said "our bed is green?". I'll wait. For those who know The Way - get ye up into the High Mountain into a cave whereof the one river feeds. Wisdom indeed has built Herself a house.

Maybe she got her paint brush out that day and painted the head and foot boards green? For they have a zeal for God but not concerning knowledge! Love on the Astral Plane - our bed is green. A rapture into higher consciousness - THIS DAY.

Never in the Bible is out of body experience ever discussed - never is an alienation of the mind discussed - that is eastern and we are western in our pious religion. Well let's just let the Bible speak for itself and shut the mouths of those who don't read it anyways.

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)


Act_10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

Act_11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act_22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;


TRANCE:

G1611 = Strongs Concordance

ekstasis

From G1839; a displacement of the mind, that is, bewilderment, “ecstasy”: - + be amazed, amazement, astonishment, trance.

G1611

Thayer Definition:

1) any casting down of a thing from its proper place or state, displacement

2) a throwing of the mind out of its normal state, alienation of mind, whether such as makes a lunatic or that of a man who by some sudden emotion is transported as it were out of himself, so that in this rapt condition, although he is awake, his mind is drawn off from all surrounding objects and wholly fixed on things divine that he sees nothing but the forms and images lying within, and thinks that he perceives with his bodily eyes and ears realities shown him by God.


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Religion would say "oh brother, don't do that, you might be possessed by a demon" - always with their fear. But what did Jesus Christ say?

Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


By fish is meant wisdom - thoughts of God - that is why Jesus is symbolized by the sign of the fish. Ref John 1:1. Yet, those good intentioned controllers in soothsaying voices say - "Oh, brother, you don't want to do that. You might invite an evil spirit." Is that right religionist? Well you take that up with Jesus Christ. Because he says differently.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.



Religion, what a SHAM.

Get ye up into that High Mountain. But the fleshly ones are still looking for a big boat somewhere on top of some High Mountain. Seems they totally "miss the boat".



Shalom,
MJ

george
03-16-15, 05:30 AM
Religion is truly a sickness.

is anyone immune? if you take it a few steps further, is not language a religion?

we each have unique perspectives. (or so it seems anyway)

Ive got a bad habit.. its reading. (and you thought smoking was bad?) havnt quit cold turkey yet so figured I would read more from Plato until then because the republic seemed reasonable to me so Ive started on Timeaus.

WOW! if your gonna read something.. THIS! Ive seen what y'all can make out of those bible words here. cant begin to imaging what you could do with Plato's!

unless your mind is (pre)made, then I can see it already if you know what I mean.

interesting thread, seems to have spawned several others but they all start with cut & paste jobs too.

anyone know about these guys? http://reignoftheheavens.org/ claim to have the bible jesus property/land mass that is just above israel and the pope never claimed it.

pretty fascinating story if nothing else look at the videos to get a quick idea.

me? I dont believe nothing and I dont know anything either, a new leaf for me, it feels good though.

David Merrill
03-16-15, 08:52 AM
As I was studying Cantonese a bit back I viewed language as a national code. Language as a religion? That does work in so many ways!

allodial
09-22-15, 12:42 PM
As I was studying Cantonese a bit back I viewed language as a national code. Language as a religion? That does work in so many ways!

Words and symbols of culture as Constellations of the mind?

Some scans regarding Rome's integration of the Babylonian systems subsequent to Attalus III bequeathing his estate to Rome (modern Rome continues such to this day, Turkey or Anatoloia was formerly known as the Sultanate of Rome)--the merger appears to continue today in the Modern Roman System:


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