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allodial
04-11-15, 03:15 PM
When paying fines, fees or taxes or when paying for things with cash or the like, what is the best way to show that one has paid for things in lawful money? Some time ago it came to me the idea of adding to notary jurats "Fees, if applicable, paid in lawful money." So how about a stamp or standard verbiage for invoices, bills, etc. to support your title claims to goods or property?

ag maniac
04-11-15, 04:47 PM
You are familiar w/ doug555's verbiage: Lawful money & full discharge demanded all transactions 12usc411, 95a(2)

Wouldn't that about cover all the bases?

doug555
04-11-15, 05:07 PM
When paying fines, fees or taxes or when paying for things with cash or the like, what is the best way to show that one has paid for things in lawful money? Some time ago it came to me the idea of adding to notary jurats "Fees, if applicable, paid in lawful money." So how about a stamp or standard verbiage for invoices, bills, etc. to support your title claims to goods or property?

Just write "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)” on the front of one’s checks and/or deposit slips, underneath one’s name and address in the upper left-hand corner of these documents.

This should now cover ALL transactions then and thereafter, per http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/fre-8036.html (http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/fre-8036.html)

See: http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/getting-started.html (http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/getting-started.html)

allodial
04-11-15, 05:36 PM
Income is on side. But having proof "in the field" in case you meet some cop or "government official" who figures you 'bought' you car with scrip. The income-side record-keeping is one thing. The "in the field" retail or wholesale transaction record-keeping is another. Of course, you could do a general bill of redemption associated with all present or future transactions associated with a given DL # or SSN.

Point being, someone gets stopped, has bill showing they paid for their car with lawful money. The income-side records wouldn't necessarily be on hand.

doug555
04-11-15, 05:59 PM
Income is on side. But having proof "in the field" in case you meet some cop or "government official" who figures you 'bought' you car with scrip. The income-side record-keeping is one thing. The "in the field" retail or wholesale transaction record-keeping is another. Of course, you could do a general bill of redemption associated with all present or future transactions associated with a given DL # or SSN.

Point being, someone gets stopped, has bill showing they paid for their car with lawful money. The income-side records wouldn't necessarily be on hand.

OK, then just create evidence of same by creating an "Affidavit" record in the county, and keep a certified copy of same in the car.

See example Affidavit and Clerk Cover Letter that could be modified for such at: http://usufructremedy.blogspot.com/p/usufruct-affidavit.html (http://usufructremedy.blogspot.com/p/usufruct-affidavit.html)

It is all about "dueling records". The Matrix runs on records that are of evidence quality (http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/fre-8036.html).

Such public records are "self-authenticating" evidence.

See FRE 902(4) at https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_902 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_902)


Rule 902. Evidence That Is Self-Authenticating
The following items of evidence are self-authenticating; they require no extrinsic evidence of authenticity in order to be admitted:

(4) Certified Copies of Public Records. A copy of an official record — or a copy of a document that was recorded or filed in a public office as authorized by law — if the copy is certified as correct by:

(A) the custodian or another person authorized to make the certification; or

(B) a certificate that complies with Rule 902(1), (2), or (3), a federal statute, or a rule prescribed by the Supreme Court.

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