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allodial
09-28-15, 02:57 PM
Here is an article that IMHO is very much worth considering. The Scofield/Futurist Club wants everyone to believe that Revelations is speaking of some New World Government taking over the entire planet. Could they be wrong?

Does the “Whole Earth” mean the “planet” in scripture?


Revelation 13:7
It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Verses like this have made many believe that the Beast to come will rule over the whole planet. But is this really the case?

Let’s look at “Whole Earth” verses that obviously didn’t mean the whole planet. These open up a big possibility that the last Beast just like the others, will not rule actually rule the whole planet as many today think. Does the usage of the phrase, ‘the whole earth’ and ‘every tribe, tongue and nation’ in the Bible mean ‘the entire globe’? It actually doesn’t mean that at all as the following scriptures demonstrate.


Daniel 4:1
King Nebuchadnezzar, To the nations and peoples of every language, who live in all the earth: May you prosper greatly!

Did Nebuchadnezzar write to the Chinese too?


Daniel 5:18, 19
All nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until the time for his land comes; then many nations and great kings will subjugate him

Did Norway or Indonesia serve Nebuchadnezzar?


1 Kings 4:34
And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.

Did the people of Peru come to hear King Solomon?


2 Kings 17:29
But every nation still made gods of its own and put them in the houses of the high places which the people of Samaria had made, every nation in their cities in which they lived.

Did the Australian Aboriginals make gods and place them in the houses of the high places that the people of Samaria made?


Isaiah 37:18
“It is true, LORD, that the Assyrian kings have laid waste all these peoples and their lands.

Did the Assyrian kings lay waste to the Japanese and Japan?


Daniel 8:5
As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between its eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground.

Did Alexander the Great sweep across the whole planet in his military campaign. Did he cross Australia?

So now, what about these verses?


Zechariah 14:2 “For I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem for battle”
Joel 3:2 “I will gather all nations”
Matthew 25:32 “I will also gather all nations”

Once we realise what some of these terms mean in prophecy, it can change our view of end-time events substantially.

Many say that the Ottoman Empire for example cannot be the seventh king after the sixth which we know is Rome. They cite that it was not a significant empire. How wrong they are. It ruled for centuries over the Middle East and great parts of Europe. It wasn’t any less than any other empire (head) before it.

The belief that the Beast or Antichrist will rule over the whole planet including USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand just doesn’t hold up. Sure this could happen, but not because the Bible says the ‘ the whole earth’ or ‘every nation’. In fact we are told that the Beast rises out of ‘The Great Sea’ which we know is the Mediterranean Sea.

(Source (http://heavennet.net/does-the-whole-earth-mean-the-planet-in-scripture/))

Related:

Will the Antichrist Rule the Whole World (as in Planet)? (https://dailyprophecydigest.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/will-the-antichrist-really-rule-the-whole-world/)
Antichrist: Leader Of A One-World Government? (https://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/antichrist-leader-of-a-one-world-government/)

xparte
09-29-15, 01:47 PM
Does prophecy just speak to a world religious domination and just the foreshadowing of Pagan Nations Church and State hardly rely on God as they dominate.If faith was prophecy its still a government tool .

allodial
09-30-15, 10:35 PM
Well the counterfeits also have their "prophecies" and eschatological paradigms. Many would like the planet to forget about 70AD. Those who rejected Jesus as messiah are trying to drag everyone into expectation of their version of a messiah so they'd rather the world forget or deny what happened happened. The destruction of the temple in 70AD, some would have us believe it all to have been an allegory...but clearly the relics and the historical record speak of something far from mere allegory.

xparte
10-01-15, 02:00 AM
Its Christ message that rejecting the truth is a different Religious aspect and outcome for a messianic prophecy . concerning the temple business Christ destroyed the enemies of a Hebrew Nation as the promised messiah temple corruption ended with its destruction that s one prophetic prophecy out the rubble A church and state further punish the truth of Christ . Rejection of Christ is how a secular world thrives . anti Christ and anti Cryptic . anti Christ bye Choice or default is his message any less prophecy as ones his own temple truth cant be destroyed The following book is a hard look at how far people went before 70 AD The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion is a wide-ranging comparative study of mythology and religion, written by Scottish anthropologist Sir James George Frazer (1854--1941). It offered a modernist approach, discussing religion dispassionately as a cultural phenomenon, rather than from a theological perspective. Although most of its theories have subsequently been exploded (the most famous one being that of the relationship between magic, religion and science), its impact on contemporaneous European literature was substantial.
The Golden Bough attempts to define the shared elements of religious belief, ranging from ancient belief systems to relatively modern religions such as Christianity. Its thesis is that old religions were fertility cults that centred around the worship of, and periodic sacrifice of, a sacred king. This king was the incarnation of a dying and reviving god, a solar deity who underwent a mystic marriage to a goddess of the earth, who died at the harvest, and was reincarnated in the spring. Frazer claims that this legend is central to almost all of the world's mythologies, and he offers a plethora of colourful examples from all over the world. Moreover, his book is written in an admirable style, seldom excelled by his more modern colleagues.
The Golden Bough Part 1, A Study in Magic and Religion; A True Masterpiece of Comparative Study of Mythology by James Frazer,
Audiobook,https://youtu.be/MvpaAixWcP0 Its why we need a Christ now and why they needed him then of all faith is and will ever be is truth.

allodial
10-01-15, 02:15 AM
A lot of people hate on those who are rightly called Christians because of the intentional evil done by those who hate the Bible and its doctrines and who hate those of Christ's lawful assembly throughout the planet called Earth (false impersonation its called). For insight (don't let the impostors distract you from the underlying truth), look at what a Reverend Sydney Smith had to say back in the 1800s (note I only came across this a few days ago):


Let us ask (he says) if the Bible is universally diffused in Hindostan, what must be the astonishment of the natives to find that we are forbidden to rob, murder and steal--we who, in fifty years, have extended our empire from a few acres about Madras over the whole peninsula and {over} sixty millions of people, and exemplified in our public conduct every crime of which human nature is capable? What matchless impudence to follow up such practice with such precepts! If we have common prudence, let us keep the gospel at home, and tell them that Machiavelli is our prophet, and the god of the Manicheans our god. {Note: the connection between Manicheanism, Augustine and Islam is veritable} Source: The Cornhill Magazine (1878), Volume 38, page 232 (https://books.google.com/books?id=U_7RAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA232)


The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses. What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces , and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts. Isiah 3:14-15 (KJV) (commentaries here (http://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/3-14.htm))


3:10-15 The rule was certain; however there might be national prosperity or trouble, it would be well with the righteous and ill with the wicked {the true and faithful believer is without blame}. Blessed be God, there is abundant encouragement to the righteous to trust in him, and for sinners to repent and return to him. It was time for the Lord to show his might. He will call men to a strict account for all the wealth and power intrusted to and abused by them. If it is sinful to disregard the necessities of the poor, how odious and wicked a part do they act, who bring men into poverty, and then oppress them!

https://cdn.amctheatres.com/Media/Default/images/final%20hobbit%20header.jpg

In the fantasy novels, dragons are typically hoarders of gold and have at least two horns on their heads. The hoarding of wealth results in poverty, slavery, crime. Unjust weights and balances results promotes inequity/iniquity.


Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:20 (KJV)


A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight. Proverbs 11:1

Related:

God vs. Greed #3 - Third, Let's Look At the Role of the Church (quote from Sydney Smith also found here, very interesting reading) (http://jesuswouldbefurious.org/+Believable/godvsgreed-3.html)
God vs. Greed #1 - First, Let's Look At the Mess the World Is In (http://jesuswouldbefurious.org/+Believable/godvsgreed-1.html)
Jesus Would Be Furious (jesuswouldbefurious.org) (http://jesuswouldbefurious.org/JWBF-portal.html)
The Role of the Roman Catholic Church Regarding Human Slavery (http://jesuswouldbefurious.org/Catholic/Church&slavery.html)

xparte
10-01-15, 02:44 AM
In short what,s not to be in accepted in Christ any good one can do is natural the first nations peoples are just as Christ like as Aboriginals minus our missionary they had there own spiritual life it was about balance not control even as tribes fought it was only for balance domination astonishment of the natives to find that we are forbidden to rob, murder and steal the profits and prophecy is about dominance Rome established an empire hers.The cult is as old as life itself.

allodial
10-01-15, 02:50 AM
In short what,s not to be in accepted in Christ any good one can do is natural the first nations peoples are just as Christ like as Aboriginals minus our missionary they had there own spiritual life it was about balance not control even as tribes fought it was only for balance domination astonishment of the natives to find that we are forbidden to rob, murder and steal the profits and prophecy is about dominance Rome established an empire hers.The cult is as old as life itself.

From what I gather Nimrod and his posterity were and are about control: [1] establish a city or polity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod); [2] kidnap people placing them under brutal military/police control (http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html); [3] brainwash their children with fallacies complex enough to call a 'religion' as a means of keeping them in lin (http://davelivingston.com/mooncity.htm)e (i.e. control)--"the earth is flat, you'll fall off if you go too far"--"the Indians will kill you if you leave the Plantation", etc.; [4] anyone that can expose the charade is attacked {Seth (http://mystery-babylon.org/originsofbabylontwo.html), Jeremiah, Isaiah and Jesus all exposed the charade; perhaps what Abraham did was prosecute war against the charade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Siddim)?}

The First Nation people and the Aboriginals were probably exposed to the pure doctrine of the Ancient Egyptians before it got corrupted--perhaps along the lines of the same doctrines Moses and Shem set out to preserves.


all faith is and will ever be is truth.

What someone believes is very important. A lot of people think prophecy is always about telling the future. To prophecy is to edify. A true prophet edifies. A false prophet does the opposite. If a false prophet knows a comet will strike point A tomorrow at noon and kill everyone in 10 miles range, he would tell people to gather at noon tomorrow at point A for 'salvation'. A false prophet would suggest allowing yourself to be sodomized by 12 men in a special ceremony to be a way to "open your third eye" and to lead to "salvation" but it will tend towards destruction. A true prophet gives forth living waters. A false prophet gives forth poison or dust.

The reason the true saints are being attacked is because they are able to intelligently expose the charade.


But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church." 1 Corinthians 14:3-4

xparte
10-01-15, 03:03 AM
The Christ in us need to turn up the fury where and when is a daily compute great site the banners are point plus the good exposer exposes the truth even while still in search for it one place to start is with the Christ in us all.Thnx lodi A path is less travelled searching alone.

xparte
10-01-15, 04:11 PM
The Man and
the Lion,” where the lion complained that he should not be so
misrepresented “when the lions wrote history.”
Men in Christ his time has come when the “lions write history.” Fredrick Douglas I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slave holding religion of this land,and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest, possible difference–so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity. I look upon it as the climax of all misnomers, the boldest of all frauds, and the grossest of all libels.[His descriptive of Christ is witness of soul and suffering no gospel IMO is complete without the sins and its prophecy concerning slavery Fredrick Douglas seen first hand what a Church State Slavery placed on the Gospel and how a Country divided on wealth not Gospel His history like his need for salvation is in Christ's struggle and message.Ignorance is control, division is a Religion and the Church is still our Government Men who enslave Men are never far from Ignorance and its Authority. Is the Bible without ignorance authority and idolatry? Its a historical account of Man his enslavement of himself the western worship and some physical punishment inherent with a scripture fulfilling ignorance as a Prophecy. Is the Bible our own criticism of ignorance as its not God,s plan too exploit nations rather the nations plan to exploit God .Christ first choice prophecy is Man,s 2nd guess at what is righteous.

allodial
10-01-15, 07:13 PM
Is it at all a bit strange that the first Southern State that kindled the spark of war with the US Govt flew a flag like this:

2979.

Does that at all look familiar or similar to any flags you've seen?

2980

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On another note:


...one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” (It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, or in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia.

xparte
10-02-15, 03:56 AM
Looks a bit Big Sugar the West Indies and Alexander Hamilton Czar Nicolas might had some influence with those early Confederate Statesmen If South Carolina’s current state flag is a blue version of the red Sovereign-Secession Confederate flag from the Civil War. The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best. The Spanish melting pot a Hebrew Moorish mash up With a Roman Grecco shadow the Great monotheistic religions explaining nothing more then Kings Sultans & Queens profiteering in Gods name.

allodial
10-02-15, 06:45 AM
...nothing more then Kings Sultans & Queens profiteering in Gods name.

Its like maybe at some point they forgot who they were working for, if they ever were working for anyone other than themselves. Or maybe some of them were only ever working for themselves and only gave lip service to the God of Christ as a front to build an audience among the free with hopes of turning the free into captives. In shepherding (i.e. to be a hero) souls, one sets good ensample rather than exhibiting the characteristics of a bad ex-ample who ex-ited the original set or got cast out and took up a lead role in a fig leaf cage.

xparte
10-02-15, 02:49 PM
Most reside on ancient statues. Church its shepherding [cover ups]that fig leaf cage is like the Man,s garden its deliberate ignorance of God. tiger in the cage stalking evangelism shepherding hate with scripture .When one stops searching for Truth he stops being free in Christ as God is truth who better encourage truth then Christ seeking Christ is not seeking religion yet Man has used Biblical words as his religious debate and conquest leaving truth for a Religion or picking a truth that suits his debate. Placing Christ before religion ends ones internal doubt about religious motive he who controls God is a Church debate .Each step in truth is a day without self debate.