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James NoMiddle
11-13-15, 09:31 PM
My intention with this thread is to offer an experience I have had, and hopefully gain insight in regard to it, specifically what options I may still have available to me to remedy the legal end of it all at this time. Advice on how to handle a similar situation in the future is very much appreciated as well, but the current matter is a bit pressing.

I am very much a novice and have only begun researching the matters discussed throughout this forum relatively recently, so I may misuse a term, or not understand a response in full. I'm very much a work in progress so please bear with me.
Additionally, I have yet to go through the steps to 'correct my status' so to speak, as I am still trying my best to find out a fully efficient way to separate my flesh and blood vessel from the LEGAL NAME/chattel property/citizen status. Any advice would have to be inline with this status in order for it to be useful.
I'll also drop the full story in the next post if anyone wants to throw out a strategy if I'm forced to undergo a trial at this point.

Short version: I was pulled over for no plate. Asked if I was being detained, told no, and therefore did not provide any of the paperwork (license, registration, insurance, none of which existed anyway.) I didn't have anything on me to show in any capacity, so I wasn't trying to be difficult. I did hand them a small card stating that I retained all my rights, including my right to remain silent and not incriminate myself. Eventually I am forcibly removed from my vehicle and taken to the area police precinct. There they attempt to gain my NAME, but I keep asking to first be told that I am being detained and/or if I'm being charged with a crime.
Long story short, they run the VIN#, get the NAME on title (titled in STATE [looking to correct that in the future,] call a family member with same last name who I assume identified me via description of me and my car, police pull up my long expired STATE ID photo (not DL just ID) and info. I am then released and given a bag with my confiscated belongings that also includes 5 new citations.
4 traffic: no license, no registration, no financial responsibility, not identifying self to officer
1 citation for disorderly conduct: apparently the small crowd drawn was caused solely by me and not by the 5 police vehicles with flashing lights jammed into a small area on the street. It also state I caused traffic to back up, although you can see traffic flow smoothly throughout the video.

I did not R4C because I was not able to find adequate advice on how to do so properly within my own 72 hr limit (I spent the next day getting my car back, and had work and family obligations to attend too the next 2 days, so research time was limited.)
I also did not send back any of the citations that ask for pleadings and collateral for appearance. This is again because I didn't know what to do.

I want to know if I have a leg to stand on here as I simply wasn't sure what to do and, therefore, for better or worse, did nothing.
If anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated, just please dumb it down wherever possible for a novice that has only been researching this vast spectrum of the "legal world" for about a month before the stop, as I am simply not familiar with most proceedings and terminology.

David Merrill
11-14-15, 02:52 PM
Welcome James!

I think you will enjoy it here.

James NoMiddle
11-14-15, 07:27 PM
I appreciate the warm welcome, and I think I will too. I found this forum as a result of browsing the Sui Juris Club, and this seems a bit more civil here, to use the non-legalese context.

I have been combing the DL was NOT used as ID thread (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?146-DL-was-NOT-provided-or-used-as-ID/page15) thread a few others with what free time I've had recently. Its quite a bit to digest as a newcomer, but I feel like this incident was a nudge by a higher power to be more diligent in my studies on this 'world.'

James NoMiddle
11-14-15, 07:34 PM
Here's the Long Version, if it makes any difference
From what I can gather, since my status hasn't been corrected on any level I suppose I am assumed "in commerce" unless able to prove otherwise, but I acted as I did none the less.

So, I'll start from the top.

I was traveling home from work in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in my personal conveyance. I have never been "licensed," never registered /plated my car though I did it have it titled to my NAME in the STATE to prove ownership, and I carried no paperwork/ID, etc.

I am signaled by a LOA vehicle via lights and horn after passing it on the street. I pull over into a valid parking spot by the sidewalk, and park. LEOs approach my window. I retrieve a computer tablet for recording purposes, and remain silent until it has began video recording. I admittedly spoke more than I should have. What follows is all the relevant conversation I have recorded in the 33 min video:

LEO1: You have no tag on the car?
Me: No Response (NR)

LEO2: You have your license and registration, and insurance?
Me: NR

*After repeated requests to see a license, I hand LEO2 a paper with court cases involving Right To Travel as well a small card stating I will not be giving up any of my rights. I also respond to his repeated request for a license with "what I have for you is right there sir."*

LEO1: He's 'one of them.'
Me: I'm not one of anything

LEO2: You're not being arrested so the right to remain silent means nothing
Me: Am I being detained?
LEO2: No, you're not being detained.
Me: May I leave?
LEO2: No, its a car stop. You're under police investigation.

LEO3: Sir, do you have your license? You know that when you sign for your license there's things about rights that when you're pulled over you have to show your license?
Me: Are you under the impression I signed anything?
LEO3: So you don't have a license?
Me: Did I say that?
LEO3: Ok, your car is going to be LiveStopped.
Me: This is private property.
LEO3: Its going to be towed
Me: Under what jurisdiction?
LEO3: Pennsylvania
LEO4: Do you have any paperwork?
Me: I have the title
LEO4: May I see it?
Me: I don't have it to show

LEO Sgt: I don't care what you think you're doing, driving is not a right is a privilege.
Me: I'm traveling by personal conveyance. I am not driving.
LEO Sgt: You're behind the wheel, you are operating this vehicle.
Me: Please read the paper I handed the other officer.
LEO Sgt: I don't care about this (hands paper back.)
Me: Am I being detained?
LEO Sgt: You are not being detained but we will tow this car.
Me: Am I free to leave?
LEO Sgt: No
Me: May I speak to a supervisor?
LEO Sgt: Negative. I'm in charge of the streets. You won't speak to anyone else. I run the streets, not you.

*about 5 mins pass, another officer attempts to get information from me but I don't respond. The Sgt then tells me "you are not free to leave. We will take you out of this car one way or the other."

*about another 7mins of nothing. I pause recording to conserve what little battery is left, knowing they plan to take me out of the car "one way or the the other". Video resumes about 5-10 mins later when the tow truck arrives.

*mostly more waiting. Another officer, LEO5, arrives off camera and is talking with LEO2. LEO 5 states "He'll be locked up for an M3 so we're good". This refers to a 3rd degree misdemeanor. I assume that's what the Disorderly Conduct falls under.*

*tow operator starts to attempt to open my passenger side door with tools. I obstruct him from doing so.*

LEO Sgt. : You're not cooperating so we're taking you out of the car. We'll break the window if you stop him again.
Me: I'm not being uncooperative.
LEO Sgt: We will break the window if you don't let him open the door.
Me: I'm not going to obstruct the tow operator. (I do not consider this "allowing the tow operator to gain access" as stated on the Non-Traffic Citation.)

*I'm removed from the car, and hancuffed, and taken to a police vehicle to be searched. LEO2 enters the car to turn off recording.*

**One note about "ownership" of the car, that may or may not be relevant to the State's power to 'take' it. It was not registered to any State at the time, but the previous owner had it registered prior. It was titled with the State in an attempt to show ownership to me. It was also not bought by me with commercial money, it was gifted and there is paperwork to show that. However, the original owner likely paid in FRD or something in that vein, so I'm not sure if there are lien issues here.


Quick rundown of what happens after video ends:

I am transferred to the police station. I am taken to the holding area where I am again searched, uncuffed, and escorted to a cell.

Eventually a LEO comes and tries to get my identity. He tells me I am required to identify myself. I state that I was told I was not being detained, nor have I been told of any charges against me. He repeats himself, and I again ask to be told if I'm being detained or charged. He ignores my request, and tells me that if I don't tell him my identity they simply put me in as JOHN DOE. They will also fingerprint me because they are sure I'll be in the system and I am hiding from something (I had nothing to hide.) He says I could be an international "T" (word I won't even type in a web post) for all they know, hiding out in the area. He states that I'll sit there until Monday as JOHN DOE (its Wed night and I guess he's making it seem like the weekend doesn't count toward holding regulations.) I said I'll sit there until Monday as JOHN DOE if that's an option. He assures me "no one leaves as JOHN DOE," and walks off.

He returns and its the same go-round, except he slips up and admits that I'm not being charged at this time.
He returns again, this time with a photo of a relative with the same LAST NAME. They have apparently run the VIN# on my car and found the NAME it was titled to. This gets them nowhere at the time.
A final return by male LEO. They attempted to send someone to my residence but no one answered. They called a third family member who lives there who's phone number they had on file, and she, from what I can assume, gave my name based on my car's description. They pulled my photo from a long expired STATE ID, and used it as a means to identify me. I at no time state whether it is or isn't me. He leaves.
Later, a female LEO comes by my cell and calls me by my NAME. I am laying down with my hat over my face, and ignore her repeated attempts to get me to respond to the NAME. She reaches in and shakes my hat to get my attention, again stating the NAME. I sit up, and she says I am being released and they have papers for me to sign. I respond, "if you're talking to me, I'm not signing anything." I am eventually released, with 5 citations in the sealed bag containing my confiscated belongings. 4 Traffic (no reg, no license, no insurance, not identifying self to officer) and 1 non-traffic for Disorderly Conduct.

I tried to look up what is needed to be done for a proper R4C, as well as any other remedy, but I did not find sufficient information to take a proper course of action within 72 hours (keep in mind the entire next day was spent getting my car back, and I also have a job and family to attend to.)

Aftermath:
Since my car was LiveStopped, it was also impounded. I had 30 days to get it back before it was auctioned off. I call to find out where it is, and what I need to do to get it back. I am told that I will be required to bring valid registration, proof of insurance, and pay any outstanding fines, as well as either have a license or bring along someone that does when I get to the lot.
I am unable to find any way to get around this, and do not wish to incur additional daily lot-fees. Thus, I go to a local PennDOT authorized facility where I register my car, as well as insure it, which also requires that I get a new valid STATE ID as they won't take my Passport for insurance. I attempt to sign Without Prejudice for the ID card, but am told I am not allowed. They even call a rep at PennDOT who tells them I cannot sign this way. I am forced to sign a regular signature in order to be issued an ID. I did, however, sign everything else including the registration with "UCC 1-308" in an attempt to hold onto my rights.
I head down to the traffic courthouse with my paperwork, pay my fine, and then go to the lot to pick up my car where they put the plates on my car before I leave with it (licensed family member drove it home for me.)

I have not taken any additional action since. I would like to rescind everything I signed as well as unregister the car. The big problem there is obviously that even if I correct everything with my status before another traffic stop, I would still be subject to a LiveStop and would again have my car forcibly impounded, thus forced to pay fines and fees to get it back. I have a few ideas on how to do this in unorthodox ways that I've been picking up here and there (register it somewhere/somehow other than with the STATE if possible, get "financial responsibility" taken care of through means other than an insurance agency, and possible get some form of international "license" that does not bind me to STATE/US UCC regulation.) However, local LEOs would likely just LiveStop me without some sort of STATE issued paperwork stating that I can Travel in this manner. But that's what future study and applied actions will correct later.

Anyways, thanks for reading my ramblings and any helpful advice is greatly appreciated.

David Merrill
11-14-15, 08:18 PM
You are a victim of Patriot Mythology.

What you call "in commerce" is that you are assumed to be endorsing private credit from the Fed. If you begin redeeming lawful money today for example you can keep your rights in the future, starting now.

So with that suggestion said, I would get into the state constitution and find out about officers and judicial officers - where they file oaths of office. Go there and get certified copies or certificate of fact to the contrary - that no oath is to be found with that clerk.

If the oath of office on the DA and the Judge are in order then simply hold them both to the law. You get your day in court. If they disobey the law, great! You can use that to convince them, in business to dismiss or give you a real sweet deal and get rid of you. If they have no oaths of office or these oaths are contrary to state law then you can probably abate and they might appear to be ignoring you but at the last minute the same thing; dismissal or a sweet slap on the wrist.

I would not hope for anything much unless you use law. You are entrapped in a district of debt. I just grabbed this photo on my way back from class today... By uniform code Title 18 C.R.S. is Criminal Code in conformity with Title 18 federal. So that is why it caught my eye:

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This CODE is municipal and the jurisdiction is of higher "home rule" than you will find in state or federal law. I believe it is akin to the priesthood of Levi in the Bible - cities and their suburbs - I Chronicles 6. Denver is Home Rule Cities and Towns in the state constitution so don't bother fighting. Show full responsibility if you want this to go away.

The way you are going about this sounds like if you tagged a child cyclist his parents might be stuck with about $12,000 in medical bills. You probably can't keep a good job and such with no SSN etc. (me making rude presumptions). In Colorado you can go without insurance by having $30K in escrow or whatever. The $12K would come out of that account and you would need to replace it pretty quick or go get insurance.

I am walking you through responsibility.

If you sign your new driver license "James." with a period behind it then when you present it you say, I am not identifying myself with this card, my name is James, like you see how I have signed it. Keep the card in the glove box and tell the officer you are just showing the card to prove competency so he knows roadside you have an active valid insurance policy. Transfer the car into your true name, if possible but use a Redeemed Lawful Money stamp from now on with your signature and whenever you are feeling compelled to sign something on a digital pad write, "Lawful Money." Just like that - no scribbling, no cursive.

Get the stamp from Tim at Quality Rubber Stamp (719) 635-0943:

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This non-endorsement removes you from the Federal Reserve districts - extraterritorial jurisdictions like METRO organization. That will sink in later.

Go get the driver license signed "James." - large as you can on the pad. Go get insured for the car, and get the Title transferred to you - to James if you can. I signed a special affidavit - ONE IN THE SAME PERSON. It had my FIRST MIDDLE name with FIRST MIDDLE LAST legal full name. This is key. While signing for the Title transfer use the stamp and when they want to know how much you paid for the car tell them that is "Private". This way the property tax will be $0. You will still pay bridges and other roadway taxes but then again you will be using the bridges and roadways so...

Go get your car.

Go to the arraignment and beg for forgiveness. Show them all the papers and let them know that you are responsible and your days as a patriot nutjob are behind you. They might be so happy as to let you walk away - charges dropped.

My friend was once invited to lecture to law enforcement officers. They really need to be educated so not to be afraid of what they do not understand.

David Merrill
11-14-15, 08:35 PM
P.S. Consider what is called "your" Social Security Number the identifying number for a Trust you have in agreement with Government. If you are older this is nice because if you have already put in 10 years (40 quarters) of premiums your "old age" insurance is good to go.

I mention this because when getting a driver license card for my glove box they asked if I wanted the SSN kept private. I said "Yes".

Later I was putting utilities in my name and they wanted "my SSN". To keep it secret she handed me a cheap calculator and had me punch in the nine digits. I did. She told me that she could not verify it with my Driver License! I regretted disclosing the real number. I suppose that if I would have guessed they might have tried giving me grief for identity theft if I would have used somebody else's SSN by mistake.

For setting up an account online, to pay the bills etc. they gave me an eleven digit number special to them.

allodial
11-15-15, 12:36 AM
MShort version: I was pulled over for no plate. Asked if I was being detained, told no, and therefore did not provide any of the paperwork (license, registration, insurance, none of which existed anyway.)

Lack of a plate or US DOT # on a car is akin to lack of a flag on a ship at sea--pirate status presumed. Roads are treated as 'rivers' and the term 'road' it is suggested originally was used to describe a river used heavily for commercial purposes.


I was traveling home from work in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in my personal conveyance. I have never been "licensed," never registered /plated my car though I did it have it titled to my NAME in the STATE to prove ownership, and I carried no paperwork/ID, etc.

Titles and such are likely only issue to 'residents'. The term 'personal conveyance' is not synymous with 'private automobile'. Law dictionaries are extremely handy. Once you titled it, you placed the owner and the property "in this State" and likely subscribed to a whole kit of rules and regulations all at the same time.


LEO3: Ok, your car is going to be LiveStopped.
Me: This is private property.

You registered it as a resident in the State, it might not actually be private property based on your own confession.


LEO Sgt: I don't care what you think you're doing, driving is not a right is a privilege.
Me: I'm traveling by personal conveyance. I am not driving.
LEO Sgt: You're behind the wheel, you are operating this vehicle.
Me: Please read the paper I handed the other officer.
LEO Sgt: I don't care about this (hands paper back.)
Me: Am I being detained?
LEO Sgt: You are not being detained but we will tow this car.
Me: Am I free to leave?
LEO Sgt: No
Me: May I speak to a supervisor?
LEO Sgt: Negative. I'm in charge of the streets. You won't speak to anyone else. I run the streets, not you.

#1 conveyance is a term that refers to titles, property assignments --you're driving inside of a title claim?
#2 operating tends to have something to do with commercial activity
#3 LEO Sgt's colorful way of saying that he is a magistrate but at the same time likely a city employee and the city taught him to place his city employment higher than the state peace officer (magistrate) role. "constables on patrol" or "conservators of the peace" ~= "cop".


**One note about "ownership" of the car, that may or may not be relevant to the State's power to 'take' it. It was not registered to any State at the time, but the previous owner had it registered prior. It was titled with the State in an attempt to show ownership to me. It was also not bought by me with commercial money, it was gifted and there is paperwork to show that. However, the original owner likely paid in FRD or something in that vein, so I'm not sure if there are lien issues here.

When it comes to State Certificates of Title and mail boxes, the term 'owner' means surety. If it is registered in the State's system as owned by a resident of the State than it is not necessarily private property in the sense you might think.


He ignores my request, and tells me that if I don't tell him my identity they simply put me in as JOHN DOE. They will also fingerprint me because they are sure I'll be in the system and I am hiding from something (I had nothing to hide.) He says I could be an international "T" (word I won't even type in a web post) for all they know, hiding out in the area. He states that I'll sit there until Monday as JOHN DOE (its Wed night and I guess he's making it seem like the weekend doesn't count toward holding regulations.) I said I'll sit there until Monday as JOHN DOE if that's an option. He assures me "no one leaves as JOHN DOE," and walks off.

Cops are taught all kinds of silly and paradoxical ideas because without the presumptive structure the attorneys wouldn't profit as much. But when you're in training the peer support and fancy forms make it all seem legitimate.


He returns again, this time with a photo of a relative with the same LAST NAME. They have apparently run the VIN# on my car and found the NAME it was titled to.
See above about the effect of registration of property as being in the State and owned by a resident.


They called a third family member who lives there who's phone number they had on file, and she, from what I can assume, gave my name based on my car's description.
Family members and 'old friends' can be most useful assistant prison wardens. If you pause to think about it, there is a similarity between the role of police and forest wardens ('animal control'). "Oh sh*t, another one is waking up. That could effect how much money we have to go to the casino next week..."


They pulled my photo from a long expired STATE ID, and used it as a means to identify me. I at no time state whether it is or isn't me. He leaves.
How can pixels on a screen be you?


I tried to look up what is needed to be done for a proper R4C, as well as any other remedy, but I did not find sufficient information to take a proper course of action within 72 hours (keep in mind the entire next day was spent getting my car back, and I also have a job and family to attend to.)

If you notified them that you'd be reserving your rights then you could conceivably notify them of that. But there are things that preceeded that night that you didn't take care of. I wouldn't take an adverse stance towards the cops. Instead, consider the paper trail you created or failed to create to help swing things in your favor.


Since my car was LiveStopped, it was also impounded. I had 30 days to get it back before it was auctioned off. I call to find out where it is, and what I need to do to get it back. I am told that I will be required to bring valid registration, proof of insurance, and pay any outstanding fines, as well as either have a license or bring along someone that does when I get to the lot.
All of those 'requirements' probably are contracted into per the registration of the 'motor vehicle'.


I have not taken any additional action since. I would like to rescind everything I signed as well as unregister the car. The big problem there is obviously that even if I correct everything with my status before another traffic stop, I would still be subject to a LiveStop and would again have my car forcibly impounded, thus forced to pay fines and fees to get it back. I have a few ideas on how to do this in unorthodox ways that I've been picking up here and there (register it somewhere/somehow other than with the STATE if possible, get "financial responsibility" taken care of through means other than an insurance agency, and possible get some form of international "license" that does not bind me to STATE/US UCC regulation.) However, local LEOs would likely just LiveStop me without some sort of STATE issued paperwork stating that I can Travel in this manner. But that's what future study and applied actions will correct later.

Some caution against taking action when lacking wisdom. Knowing/deciding who you are is most fundamental. Anyways its worth figuring out:

1. Are Certificates of Title ever issued to non-residents?
2. Are State ID cards or State driver's licenses ever issued to non-resident?
3. What does 'surety' mean?
4. What is an 'adhesion contract'?
5. What is the difference between a police officer, a conservator of the peace and a peace officer?
6. What is the difference between policy enforcement and law enforcement?
7. What is the difference between a municipal corporation, a city and a county?
8. What is the difference between residential, commercial and private property?

allodial
11-15-15, 01:12 AM
You are a victim of Patriot Mythology.
And quite a stew of Patriot Mythology no doubt.


What you call "in commerce" is that you are assumed to be endorsing private credit from the Fed. If you begin redeeming lawful money today for example you can keep your rights in the future, starting now.

They presume James paid for everything with FRNs and has willingly pledged all of his assets to back commercial investments of the FRB and Lehman Brothers, etc.


I would not hope for anything much unless you use law. You are entrapped in a district of debt. I just grabbed this photo on my way back from class today... By uniform code Title 18 C.R.S. is Criminal Code in conformity with Title 18 federal. So that is why it caught my eye:

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Funny how home rule cities are pretty much become territories or colonies of the State. The municipal corporation is key because that allows for presumption of 'universal (to the zone) civil death' so that a corporation can "rule" the territory. Without the municipal corporation, likely the area would become unincorporated area--another state within the state. An 'emancipated county'?


This CODE is municipal and the jurisdiction is of higher "home rule" than you will find in state or federal law. I believe it is akin to the priesthood of Levi in the Bible - cities and their suburbs - I Chronicles 6. Denver is Home Rule Cities and Towns in the state constitution so don't bother fighting. Show full responsibility if you want this to go away.

The Dartmouth case explains a lot about charters from sovereigns. The city folks are franchisees of that charter. Strangers are taxed, the children are free.


If you sign your new driver license "James." with a period behind it then when you present it you say, I am not identifying myself with this card, my name is James, like you see how I have signed it. Keep the card in the glove box and tell the officer you are just showing the card to prove competency so he knows roadside you have an active valid insurance policy. Transfer the car into your true name, if possible but use a Redeemed Lawful Money stamp from now on with your signature and whenever you are feeling compelled to sign something on a digital pad write, "Lawful Money." Just like that - no scribbling, no cursive.

Might a alternative is to write James d/b/a SMITH JAMES A.


Get the stamp from Tim at Quality Rubber Stamp (719) 635-0943:

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This non-endorsement removes you from the Federal Reserve districts - extraterritorial jurisdictions like METRO organization. That will sink in later.

Becoming an accommodation party to the Fed seems to result in exposure one to the syncretisms of METRO.

walter
11-15-15, 01:16 AM
In Colorado you can go without insurance by having $30K in escrow or whatever. The $12K would come out of that account and you would need to replace it pretty quick or go get insurance.



Interesting, do you know the statues regulating that David?

ag maniac
11-15-15, 02:13 AM
Well James....seems you might have missed your calling......60 miles west --> Bird-in-Hand, Paradise, or Intercourse, Pennsylvania.....take your pick ;)

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James NoMiddle
11-15-15, 04:00 AM
You are a victim of Patriot Mythology.
Yes, I feel the biggest hurdle for me in learning via use of the internet has been the vast amount of misinformation that comes with any small bits of true knowledge. The second is knowing where to find a starting point, and then following an organized path without getting side tracked.


What you call "in commerce" is that you are assumed to be endorsing private credit from the Fed. If you begin redeeming lawful money today for example you can keep your rights in the future, starting now.
I've began reading into some of that here, as it appears to be the basis of the forum. Like previously stated, though, I didn't really have a starting point on how to ensure my rights would be kept, but now I know where to take my first steps.


So with that suggestion said, I would get into the state constitution and find out about officers and judicial officers - where they file oaths of office. Go there and get certified copies or certificate of fact to the contrary - that no oath is to be found with that clerk.

If the oath of office on the DA and the Judge are in order then simply hold them both to the law. You get your day in court. If they disobey the law, great! You can use that to convince them, in business to dismiss or give you a real sweet deal and get rid of you. If they have no oaths of office or these oaths are contrary to state law then you can probably abate and they might appear to be ignoring you but at the last minute the same thing; dismissal or a sweet slap on the wrist.

This is where my inexperience and ignorance will surely show:
Is it pretty much certain that the clerk won't have a sworn oath, and if this is the case, how does that benefit me strategically?
When you say "disobey the law," are you referring to the common law as opposed to them conducting things in a maritime/admiralty setting?
What would be some signs that the oath they took is contrary to state law, significant enough that it would allow me to abate?


The way you are going about this sounds like if you tagged a child cyclist his parents might be stuck with about $12,000 in medical bills. You probably can't keep a good job and such with no SSN etc. (me making rude presumptions). In Colorado you can go without insurance by having $30K in escrow or whatever. The $12K would come out of that account and you would need to replace it pretty quick or go get insurance.

I am walking you through responsibility.

The lack of insurance was due to the lack of registration, and my not being able to find a way to have the former without the latter. I did see similar methods to the escrow account you mentioned, but I wasn't able to find exactly how they worked. I agree keeping insurance on the car is in everyone's best interest.


If you sign your new driver license "James." with a period behind it then when you present it you say, I am not identifying myself with this card, my name is James, like you see how I have signed it. Keep the card in the glove box and tell the officer you are just showing the card to prove competency so he knows roadside you have an active valid insurance policy. Transfer the car into your true name, if possible but use a Redeemed Lawful Money stamp from now on with your signature and whenever you are feeling compelled to sign something on a digital pad write, "Lawful Money." Just like that - no scribbling, no cursive.

The bolded was the basis of the thread I've been reading through, but it seemed that everyone already knew the background on this strategy so it wasn't elaborated on, whereas I'm still clueless. Would the officer not be able to make any positive identification simply because I've stated this, and if so, what is the advantage here? Could I not be issued a ticket/citation due to the officer not "knowing" who I am? Could they still not demand an identification of some sort if they wanted to, without repercussions on my end?


Get the stamp from Tim at Quality Rubber Stamp (719) 635-0943:

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This non-endorsement removes you from the Federal Reserve districts - extraterritorial jurisdictions like METRO organization. That will sink in later.

Are Federal Reserve districts different than, say, the "Federal Zone" as a jurisdiction that one is [this may be misinformation I've picked up] assumed under if they have an address bearing a zipcode for example? There seems to be so much territorial overlay (the x,y,z coordinate analogy I've read on the board) and I'm still trying to figure out all the 'players.'


Go get the driver license signed "James." - large as you can on the pad. Go get insured for the car, and get the Title transferred to you - to James if you can. I signed a special affidavit - ONE IN THE SAME PERSON. It had my FIRST MIDDLE name with FIRST MIDDLE LAST legal full name. This is key. While signing for the Title transfer use the stamp and when they want to know how much you paid for the car tell them that is "Private". This way the property tax will be $0. You will still pay bridges and other roadway taxes but then again you will be using the bridges and roadways so...

Go get your car.

Go to the arraignment and beg for forgiveness. Show them all the papers and let them know that you are responsible and your days as a patriot nutjob are behind you. They might be so happy as to let you walk away - charges dropped.

I shall hope for the best and prepare for the worst I suppose.



Lack of a plate or US DOT # on a car is akin to lack of a flag on a ship at sea--pirate status presumed. Roads are treated as 'rivers' and the term 'road' it is suggested originally was used to describe a river used heavily for commercial purposes.

I see. It seems like allegiance to a flag is then mandatory, and being independent on the seas without feasibility?


Titles and such are likely only issue to 'residents'. The term 'personal conveyance' is not synymous with 'private automobile'. Law dictionaries are extremely handy. Once you titled it, you placed the owner and the property "in this State" and likely subscribed to a whole kit of rules and regulations all at the same time.

I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?


How can pixels on a screen be you?

I agree, but I fear that this would be a loophole that a court would not recognize in my favor.


If you notified them that you'd be reserving your rights then you could conceivably notify them of that. But there are things that preceeded that night that you didn't take care of. I wouldn't take an adverse stance towards the cops. Instead, consider the paper trail you created or failed to create to help swing things in your favor.

The paper trail has being weighing on my mind just as much as the court date, as it will still loom even as court passes. As mentioned above, I'm still trying to figure out how to fix all of that. I am admittedly hesitant as I fear that a misstep in proper 'order of operations' could leave me in a 'no man's land' so to speak, where I can't move forward or backward legally.


Some caution against taking action when lacking wisdom. Knowing/deciding who you are is most fundamental. Anyways its worth figuring out:

1. Are Certificates of Title ever issued to non-residents?
2. Are State ID cards or State driver's licenses ever issued to non-resident?
3. What does 'surety' mean?
4. What is an 'adhesion contract'?
5. What is the difference between a police officer, a conservator of the peace and a peace officer?
6. What is the difference between policy enforcement and law enforcement?
7. What is the difference between a municipal corporation, a city and a county?
8. What is the difference between residential, commercial and private property?

I will be sure to look over all of these points in order to strengthen my overall comprehension on the topics discussed throughout the forum.



They presume James paid for everything with FRNs and has willingly pledged all of his assets to back commercial investments of the FRB and Lehman Brothers, etc.

How many 'degrees of separation' does payment with FRNs extend? For example, when I titled the car it was "gifted," but at the same time I'm sure the original owner paid in FRNs. If a merchant buys its goods in FRNs, and I then use to lawful money to acquire the product from them, is the item still pledged back in any way?




Well James....seems you might have missed your calling......60 miles west --> Bird-in-Hand, Paradise, or Intercourse, Pennsylvania.....take your pick ;)

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I've often wondering about the full details of the relationship between the State and the Amish communities, in regards to jurisdiction and law. Maybe when I get things all in order I could find peace in a simpler way of life; who knows?

allodial
11-15-15, 08:37 AM
I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?

Did you tell them you were a resident? Did you tell them that you ceased to be a resident? Do know what it means to hold office in the State? To hold the office of resident? The state code concerning trusts, fiduciary duties should cover quite a bit. As far as they are concerned, the State ID and the birth certificates they issue are their property? If you are holding them does that make "you" a trustee?


I see. It seems like allegiance to a flag is then mandatory, and being independent on the seas without feasibility?
Think: friend vs. foe identification in wartime.


Yes, I feel the biggest hurdle for me in learning via use of the internet has been the vast amount of misinformation that comes with any small bits of true knowledge. The second is knowing where to find a starting point, and then following an organized path without getting side tracked.

Consider studying law rather than studying rumors? At the least: [1] I would acquire Bouvier (http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/reference/1862_Bouvier/)'s and Blacks (http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/Books/Black's%20Law%204th%20edition,%201891.pdf)' law dictionaries (the English spoken in courts and the English spoken on the streets aren't the same). [2A] I would study contract law (http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/reference/contracts/contracts_index.html)(bills of exchange (www.cgsc.edu/carl/download/lectures/Boughton.pd), promissory notes, money, bonds (http://freedom-school.com/bonds/), suretyship (http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/reference/suretyship/suretyship_index.html)all related to contract law) making a point to pay attention to requirements for formation of contracts and to the remedies/recourse associated with contracts. [2B] I would also read about torts (http://www.freebookcentre.net/Law/Tort-Law-Books.html)and personal injury law. [3A] I would study information that adequately informs as to the nature and architecture of "United States (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1920-The-Organic-Laws-of-the-United-States-of-America-(2012) Government" and a given State or County or Local government--political science books, American history books, etc.--what does it mean to be a 'citizen' or a 'resident' or an 'officer'; [3B] I'd read over a treatise on Evidence--all mail and papers you have in your home are 'evidence'. [3C] I would find a lightweight treatise on bills of exchange and promissory notes (http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/download/lectures/Boughton.pd) and study it. After an introductory, I would study the matter deeply using an in-depth treatise. Bills of exchange, promissory notes and money fall under contract law. [4] state/federal rules of civil procedure as to courts.

One might pay attention to: the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, "your" original state constitution, your state's post-1862 constitutions, Jay's Treaty, the Treaty of Paris of 1783(?), the Declaration of Independence, the British North America Act (Canada Act), the Judiciary Act of 1798.

Related:

Antishyster magazine (http://famguardian.org/publishedauthors/media/antishyster/antishyster.htm)
The Federal Zone (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/)
Giles Jacob Law Dictionary (https://books.google.com/books?id=4kVJAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover)
Are You Lost At Sea / International Maritime Jurisdiction (friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_AreYouLostAtSea.pdf)
Special Maritime Jurisdiction Exposed (usa-the-republic.com/.../Special%20Maritime%20Exposed.pdf)
Presumption of Death from Absence (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?421-Presumed-Dead)

xparte
11-15-15, 09:26 PM
Uncle George explains to letterman the vacant office oath . THIS generic Garbage is a collection of words Cops Judges and municipal hit men say this shit and now they have AUTHORITY over you But its a legal term you when ,Me its lawfully sworn or fully sworn CCO CEO answer If elected lets see your Oath vacant legal office and position.[/url]https://youtu.be/JHGqHWCMEUw

pumpkin
11-16-15, 03:08 AM
I don't give legal advice, but this is what I do. First of all never argue with a cop. A few jobs attract psychopaths, and cops and politicians are among those jobs. The cop has a gun, a badge and an ego. If you want to cause him problems, only do it in court. 'Sorry officer, I don't have those things with me right now.' Be polite and get your ticket if need be. Then fight it all in court if you want. Most cops won't shoot you in court. Unless you caused an injury, you didn't do anything wrong.

allodial
11-16-15, 04:45 AM
I don't give legal advice, but this is what I do. First of all never argue with a cop. A few jobs attract psychopaths, and cops and politicians are among those jobs. The cop has a gun, a badge and an ego. If you want to cause him problems, only do it in court. 'Sorry officer, I don't have those things with me right now.' Be polite and get your ticket if need be. Then fight it all in court if you want. Most cops won't shoot you in court. Unless you caused an injury, you didn't do anything wrong.

Agreed. Any point, assertion or claim (as to rights or anything) I would make it in writing, before hand before I even got behind a wheel or even before setting foot outside as feasible. The driver's license or state ID itself is a bond ($200 or so in value from what I've gathered). In other words, if I have the right to drive/travel, the initial place to assert such right or make it known would not be on the roadside talking with a potential armed psychopath (of course many cops are good people--no doubt the job attracts some special folk along with all the decent folk). That is, if I had some exemption or right to drive non-commercially, what I would do is very simple and inexpensive: notify a attorney general of that right ahead of time (a few cents to buy a stamp, an envelop, a certificate of service, etc.). I might even file the certificate of service and a redacted copy of the notice or claim at the county clerk's office or in a misc. jacket at a USDC.

As for insurance: For my own sake and for the sake of others I would at the least file a $50K bond with the AG to cover potential liability. As a matter of fact, there are those who have gone as far as filing bonds even covering the prospect of accidentally breaking a window or their children failing to return library books. If you go about without bonding, from what I gather, you will will be perceived as a threat: like an elephant dancing in a china shop. You might be the most eloquent, skilled dancing elephant on the planet. If you do injury with your car without bond they will presume intent. They presume the lowest level--that is why they got rid of moral teachings in schools so that presumption of criminality could fly and they could profit from it. However, if one maintains financial responsibility, you remove yourself as a threat/enemy because you obviously would be out to buffer others against the adverse risk you might pose. It might also be worth nothing that its a difficult thing to regard insane or incompetent someone who is capable of recognizing their potential of doing harm unintentionally and who makes allotments for that (i.e. has coverage).

Ares
11-16-15, 09:19 PM
This may or may not help, just putting this out there as I've personally seen it used to have an automatic weapons charge completely dropped by the prosecuting attorney.

Karl Lentz discovered this process and others have used it to be extremely effective.

You would file a CLAIM ( not a criminal complaint but an actual CLAIM against the officer that pulled you over. Something like this:

'i: a man; claim bob jones interfere with my right to travel by continually stopping me and demanding i present him with identification; i require twenty five hundred dollars compensation; i require a court of record; i require a trial by jury; i, say here, and will verify in open court, all herein be true-john doe.'

You are essentially demanding an article 3 common law court (my understanding is they do not exist until you request a court of record. Juries rule these trials and there is no appeal, the juries decision is final.

You can also go after the prosecutor with this:

" i: a man; require the STATE OF TEXAS to show up and verify his/her claim against me so i may cross examine my accuser (the plaintiff must appear) and compensate him for any harm i may have caused. If this man/woman that goes by the name 'STATE OF TEXAS' cannot show up to verify his/her claim, i require this matter immediately discharged. It is my belief there is no man/woman named 'STATE OF TEXAS' who can verify this claim by uttering with his/her voice I've done wrong, therefore pressing it upon the record. It is also my belief, that someone is filing complaints (false claims) on behalf of this entity known as the 'STATE OF TEXAS' in an attempt to unjustly enrich themselves and the 'STATE OF TEXAS' (whoever those individuals may be). If this matter is not immediately discharged, I will require leave of court so I may properly bring an actual claim before the court to address this trespass against me in the proper venue-a court of record (trespass being: filing false claims, barratry, malicious prosecution, unjust enrichment, etc.), in which I will be requiring compensation for wasting my valuable time, money, and resources having to deal with this complaint, as I do not have time to answer complaints without compensation at this time. If there is an actual verifiable claim before the court, I will be more than happy to show up free of charge and address any proper and verifiable claim against me - John Doe."

Youtube has hundreds of hours of Karl Lentz discussing this process as well as others who have used it successfully.

David Merrill
11-17-15, 03:26 AM
Thank you for explaining James. I usually just 'hit and run' when I find myself (from the past) posting here. It is usually a bit annoying to come across somebody defending the thinking I have left behind.




Is it pretty much certain that the clerk won't have a sworn oath, and if this is the case, how does that benefit me strategically?

Try getting a Certificate of Fact on that alleged officer. It states that the clerk could not find an oath of office.



The lack of insurance was due to the lack of registration, and my not being able to find a way to have the former without the latter.

There is a interlinking circuit between all three papers - the driver license shows competence; the insurance company only covers competent operators and you have to show insurance to get titled. It seems to me that the insurance carrier is the most eager for your business so start there. Pay for the insurance - get a proof of insurance card and maybe the rest will fall in place.


Would the officer not be able to make any positive identification simply because I've stated this, and if so, what is the advantage here?

Here you are relying on training. The officer is trained to be able to testify on the witness stand. He is tuned in to hear how you identify yourself roadside during the Stop. If he is honest he or she will repeat what you said on the stand at trial.



Are Federal Reserve districts different than, say, the "Federal Zone" as a jurisdiction that one is [this may be misinformation I've picked up] assumed under if they have an address bearing a zipcode for example? There seems to be so much territorial overlay (the x,y,z coordinate analogy I've read on the board) and I'm still trying to figure out all the 'players.'

I think of any extraterritorial jurisdiction as a district. The Municipal League (METRO organization) through Public Administration Services seems to have unified everything that is not actual territory. I might be wrong about that but the mental model works so far. United Nations combinatoric math.


I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

Private is private. Try it. The guy got up and met with the supervisor but it went over well for me. Just say it is private.


A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?

You assure yourself common law by redeeming lawful money. If you are in the districts then all you get is a gesture so as to appease.


The paper trail has being weighing on my mind just as much as the court date, as it will still loom even as court passes.

Know who you are by how you relate to God, in whatever form you project. I once tried to form God for myself around what was popular. It seems I quit being a victim of others thinking they had a better formation of who and what God is.

Your true name will help. I just responded to a suitor asking if I could give him some kind of lesson about being a court of record (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=bac4c25712a196694b0e8191c9b06cb5&csvc=toc2doc&cform=searchForm&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzk-zSkAA&_md5=c248e3e7844307e55cf71573406f1035).



13-1-111. Courts of record



(1) Each of the following courts shall have a seal and shall be a court of record:

(a) The supreme court;

(b) The district courts;

(c) The county courts;

(d) The juvenile court in the city and county of Denver;

(e) The probate court in the city and county of Denver;

(f) Any court established by law and expressly denominated a court of record;

(g) Repealed.

(h) The court of appeals.

HISTORY: Source: L. 1887: p. 212, § 412.Code 08: § 447.Code 21: § 449.Code 35: § 449.CRS 53: § 37-1-12. C.R.S. 1963: § 37-1-12.L. 64: p. 224, § 57.L. 72: p. 590, § 53.L. 77: (1)(h) added, p. 279, § 24, effective June 29.L. 79: IP(1) amended, p. 596, § 2, effective July 1.L. 85: (1)(g) repealed, p. 572, § 12, effective November 14, 1986.


ANNOTATION

The acts of a court of record are known by its records. Judicial records are not only necessary but indispensable to the administration of justice. The court judgments can be evidenced only by its records. The acts of a court of record are known by its records alone and cannot be established by parol testimony. The court speaks only through its records, and the judge speaks only through the court. Herren v. People, 147 Colo. 442, 363 P.2d 1044 (1961).


I will be sure to look over all of these points in order to strengthen my overall comprehension on the topics discussed throughout the forum.

Thank you. If you are comfortable in your identity; through your relationship with God then you can be responsible in the eyes of the law. This is why I suspect they will be so pleased not to have another Patriot to fight with in the courtroom they might drop everything.


How many 'degrees of separation' does payment with FRNs extend? For example, when I titled the car it was "gifted," but at the same time I'm sure the original owner paid in FRNs.

Pay with US notes, in the form of FRN's. FRN's only discharge debt. They look the same unless you put your Stamp on the back. Did you call Tim and order up a stamp?

My point is that Joy, Peace and Love are all emotions - a state of mind.


I've often wondering about the full details of the relationship between the State and the Amish communities, in regards to jurisdiction and law. Maybe when I get things all in order I could find peace in a simpler way of life; who knows?





Work your fingers to the bone! What do you get? - - - Bony fingers!

I fantasize about that too. Marry a simple girl who is a total knockout and doesn't even know it; just because she doesn't watch TV... Work hard all day at a job that requires only dedication, not a college education... sleep all night for about six hours anyway. Get up and do it again; except of course on the Sabbath.

allodial
11-17-15, 05:07 AM
Private is private. Try it. The guy got up and met with the supervisor but it went over well for me. Just say it is private.

Gets to the other thread about the filing documents at the county level. It is moreso what you confess. If you fill out (or correct) the registration in a manner confessing to being public/resident/in-state that is one thing. You can affix an affidavit or the like to the form to avoid misunderstandings as to why you are completing the form.


I fantasize about that too. Marry a simple girl who is a total knockout and doesn't even know it; just because she doesn't watch TV... Work hard all day at a job that requires only dedication, not a college education... sleep all night for about six hours anyway. Get up and do it again; except of course on the Sabbath.

The cities like holding on to their priso--I mean residents.

xparte
11-18-15, 12:35 AM
Driving without INSURANCE $600.00 without DL $200.00 Registration $200.00 And on it goes who are the State going to collect from if Me refuse.With a SSN who else gets arrested but the NAME and can be physically held with this NAME for outstanding fines how else would a municipal government get revenue from the Federal Government's social securities fund a # is identity with no standing comes no speaks.

James NoMiddle
11-19-15, 02:20 AM
Did you tell them you were a resident? Did you tell them that you ceased to be a resident? Do know what it means to hold office in the State? To hold the office of resident? The state code concerning trusts, fiduciary duties should cover quite a bit. As far as they are concerned, the State ID and the birth certificates they issue are their property? If you are holding them does that make "you" a trustee?

I will be looking into all of that you mentioned, as it seems like it will put the pieces together better for me. Where would one find this information, though? Are there online resources? Would I look up a law library in the area? Finding a searchable source of law has been tough.

I also am still lost as to where to find the full release as to what one agrees to when signing certain government docs. For example, if I were to consider signing a DL, how would I be able to find out every last bit of what I'm agreeing to?


Think: friend vs. foe identification in wartime.

Very helpful analogy; one that I'll have to keep in the back of my mind in public.


Consider studying law rather than studying rumors?

The problem I've had with this goes back to the above, in that I'm not really sure where I can find comprehensive information that's actually "in the books" as fact. One of the first sources of information I found that seemed legit was the famguardian site (which your 1st link went to,) but its so extensive that before pouring through it all, I found myself looking elsewhere in search of supporting real world examples for what they suggest. Most of their examples of what to do reference law directly, but there isn't any backup that I found to prove their interpretations.

I'm glad to have found this site, as it often has the paperwork to back up the stories. Before this, though, I was relying on what others were suggesting were correct interpretations and remedies for the same subjects, with only a good pitch to back anything at best.



This may or may not help, just putting this out there as I've personally seen it used to have an automatic weapons charge completely dropped by the prosecuting attorney.

Karl Lentz discovered this process and others have used it to be extremely effective.

You would file a CLAIM ( not a criminal complaint but an actual CLAIM against the officer that pulled you over. Something like this:

Youtube has hundreds of hours of Karl Lentz discussing this process as well as others who have used it successfully.

I've listened to some Karl Lentz on youtube, but most of it is in no particular order so I've found it only marginally helpful as everything that I've come across is fragmented.

Where exactly would one even file such a claim, and when would it be presented?
What you've described sounds like something that would need to be put forth at arraignment, which often would happen before bail/release.
After that point, I'd imagine you'd already be considered under a non-common law jurisdiction and have no recourse to change venue, no?


Try getting a Certificate of Fact on that alleged officer. It states that the clerk could not find an oath of office.

I'm still a little lost as to how I use this information. What would happen if there is no oath?
Sorry if any of this is considered "common knowledge" on this board, as it seems like I'm always a few steps behind when I read the threads. I don't mind reading over anything that's already been discussed for the sake of not seeming like a hassle being cluseless novice. (Just felt like I needed to add that, as I feel a bit burdensome.)


Here you are relying on training. The officer is trained to be able to testify on the witness stand. He is tuned in to hear how you identify yourself roadside during the Stop. If he is honest he or she will repeat what you said on the stand at trial.

Again I am lost as to how this would be utilized in my advantage. Would he then not be able to legally identify me as my ALL CAPS name, and therefore not be able to run that name, write tickets/file charges, or do anything else with the NAME?




You assure yourself common law by redeeming lawful money. If you are in the districts then all you get is a gesture so as to appease.


I've seen that mentioned here, but is there no more action that need be taken other than going through the process of redeeming lawful money (and I imagine having that on record somewhere for the courts to see?)
I'm still combing the board to find the thread and/or posts that detail the full process as to how one goes about redeeming lawful money so that I can start myself.


Pay with US notes, in the form of FRN's. FRN's only discharge debt. They look the same unless you put your Stamp on the back. Did you call Tim and order up a stamp?

So after going through the demand process, the stamp is all that is left for the former FRN's to be considered US notes?

David Merrill
11-19-15, 06:32 AM
So many facets of the commercial priestcraft are designed to make the simplicity of who you are as opposed to who we are seem like a very complicated story.

Joseph VINING's LEGAL IDENTITY - The Coming of Age of Public Law was very helpful for me. Here is the thing though. VINING has an elegant vocabulary. If you try reading this book like most you will likely come away believing his apology for what the sacrificial thinking scam has done for you - that Public Law is justified to prevail.

James and David Merrill are no different. Our relationship is not special. James and David Merrill and the rest of humanity are a class action. We have no differences - we need to sleep, breathe, eat and drink, excrete etc. of die; but most of all neither James or David Merrill will ever die. Without any special relationship we are one and we are eternal.

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Did you tell them you were a resident? Did you tell them that you ceased to be a resident? Do know what it means to hold office in the State? To hold the office of resident? The state code concerning trusts, fiduciary duties should cover quite a bit. As far as they are concerned, the State ID and the birth certificates they issue are their property? If you are holding them does that make "you" a trustee?

I will be looking into all of that you mentioned, as it seems like it will put the pieces together better for me. Where would one find this information, though? Are there online resources? Would I look up a law library in the area? Finding a searchable source of law has been tough.

I also am still lost as to where to find the full release as to what one agrees to when signing certain government docs. For example, if I were to consider signing a DL, how would I be able to find out every last bit of what I'm agreeing to?


Think it through. If one could not finish the Passover Lamb during the evening sitting he was to collectively join with a neighbor and both families only slaughter one lamb so that no meat was wasted. The Blood of the Lamb was therefore for Identification Purposes. Both families took the blood of one lamb and painted both of their doorposts with it so that the Angel of Death passed both families over.

Stop looking to Jesus as a sacrifice.

If you keep looking at Jesus as a sacrifice then you keep constructing the Veil of the Law between you and the Ark of the Covenant.


Think: friend vs. foe identification in wartime.

Very helpful analogy; one that I'll have to keep in the back of my mind in public.

Yes! Without redemption (of lawful money) it would truly seem the constitutions are suspended in the actual theater of war. I gave my friend a T-Shirt that said:

YOU CANNOT FIGHT YOUR WAY OFF THE BATTLEFIELD!



Consider studying law rather than studying rumors?

The problem I've had with this goes back to the above, in that I'm not really sure where I can find comprehensive information that's actually "in the books" as fact. One of the first sources of information I found that seemed legit was the famguardian site (which your 1st link went to,) but its so extensive that before pouring through it all, I found myself looking elsewhere in search of supporting real world examples for what they suggest. Most of their examples of what to do reference law directly, but there isn't any backup that I found to prove their interpretations.

I'm glad to have found this site, as it often has the paperwork to back up the stories. Before this, though, I was relying on what others were suggesting were correct interpretations and remedies for the same subjects, with only a good pitch to back anything at best.

Ergo I am directing you to constitutions and statute - but after you begin making your demand for lawful money. Get off the battlefield of the Federal Reserve DISTRICTS.



This may or may not help, just putting this out there as I've personally seen it used to have an automatic weapons charge completely dropped by the prosecuting attorney.

Karl Lentz discovered this process and others have used it to be extremely effective.

You would file a CLAIM ( not a criminal complaint but an actual CLAIM against the officer that pulled you over. Something like this:

Youtube has hundreds of hours of Karl Lentz discussing this process as well as others who have used it successfully.

I've listened to some Karl Lentz on youtube, but most of it is in no particular order so I've found it only marginally helpful as everything that I've come across is fragmented.

Where exactly would one even file such a claim, and when would it be presented?
What you've described sounds like something that would need to be put forth at arraignment, which often would happen before bail/release.
After that point, I'd imagine you'd already be considered under a non-common law jurisdiction and have no recourse to change venue, no?

The Libel of Review is probably similar. I have not studied Karl.

Even the Miscellaneous Case file is a claim. - A claim to the right to be heard. Once you have a published record then you are a court of record.



Try getting a Certificate of Fact on that alleged officer. It states that the clerk could not find an oath of office.

I'm still a little lost as to how I use this information. What would happen if there is no oath?
Sorry if any of this is considered "common knowledge" on this board, as it seems like I'm always a few steps behind when I read the threads. I don't mind reading over anything that's already been discussed for the sake of not seeming like a hassle being cluseless novice. (Just felt like I needed to add that, as I feel a bit burdensome.)

The local Secretary of State will not provide a certificate of fact. I am trying to get this solved.


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This John William is now Mayor. If people cared then he might be impeached.


Here you are relying on training. The officer is trained to be able to testify on the witness stand. He is tuned in to hear how you identify yourself roadside during the Stop. If he is honest he or she will repeat what you said on the stand at trial.




Again I am lost as to how this would be utilized in my advantage. Would he then not be able to legally identify me as my ALL CAPS name, and therefore not be able to run that name, write tickets/file charges, or do anything else with the NAME?

You are probably best to think of your wrists; that is where the handcuffs go.


You assure yourself common law by redeeming lawful money. If you are in the districts then all you get is a gesture so as to appease.


I've seen that mentioned here, but is there no more action that need be taken other than going through the process of redeeming lawful money (and I imagine having that on record somewhere for the courts to see?)
I'm still combing the board to find the thread and/or posts that detail the full process as to how one goes about redeeming lawful money so that I can start myself.

That is the stumbling block - maybe. You think that you have to redeem lawful money. Nope. You have to make your demand. Like Allodial (Karl) said above. Make your claim.


Pay with US notes, in the form of FRN's. FRN's only discharge debt. They look the same unless you put your Stamp on the back. Did you call Tim and order up a stamp?

So after going through the demand process, the stamp is all that is left for the former FRN's to be considered US notes?


No! Make your demand/claim. You don't need worry about what people think. Make your demand.

allodial
11-19-15, 09:10 AM
So consider along these lines...


"I was walking along doing what everyone else does and not even thinking about it. Singing songs cos that is what everyone else was singing. Shooting bullets cos that was what everyone else was doing. Signing papers without thinking about it because that is what everyone else did then there was this shaking and I woke up from sleepwalking and now I'm wondering how I got where I am and what I should do, now?

It is said that men are very goal oriented. If your goal is to have troubles and nightmares complications arising out of random events which you might inadvertently invite through your intercourse with people you put your trust in but shouldn't, you could continue with that. Setting a goal and objective of what how you would like your affairs to be arranged, for example, might be very helpful at this point. Additionally, I figure knowing who you are to be very important.


Ergo I am directing you to constitutions and statute - but after you begin making your demand for lawful money. Get off the battlefield of the Federal Reserve DISTRICTS.

Part of the problem is them 'requiring' one identify oneself with a belligerent, world at war, "everyone"-is-a-soldier kind of silliness ID. If the driver license is essentially identification of one as a member of the land merchant marine, its no wonder there might be trouble for some to escape the theater of war.


The local Secretary of State will not provide a certificate of fact. I am trying to get this solved.

The measures called for these days I'd say are: in writing one demands (i.e. mandamus) the Secretary of State to provide what he is supposed to provide or do what he is supposed to do and indicate in the demand that you will do it on his behalf if he fails to do so and fails to show lawful cause why he didn't or won't within the time period (say 7 days). I'd put a copy of that with a certificate of service in front of a county court or a U.S. district court giving him time to respond with a cc to the State AG. I'd note his failure to respond, dereliction of duty and put it in the case jacket in the style of a certificate of default. If he fails to act and fails to show lawful cause, I'd #1 use that authority (plus other authority where applicable) to issue it for him and #2 to authenticate it for him. I feel it to be very important to not only issue issue the certificate yourself on the Secretary's behalf but to also authenticate (pre-Apostille and non-Apostille authentication) it yourself and file that authentication with it.

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Of course the verbiage for your authentication would change to reflect that it is done authoritatively on behalf of the Secretary of State and that it shall deemed to be an official act of the Secretary of State pursuant to the "emergency authority arising out of... per" {casejacket #} of the U.S. District Court for the .................... of .............. . It might even be titled "EMERGENCY AUTHENTICATION".

If you are bonded, you can also invite persons who are injured from your exercise of authority to serve civil process for monetary claims against you through the district court or the like--requiring sworn or verified claims of course.

No more playing around with dereliction. Kids to feed? Dogs to walk? Who has time to play games with co-opted officials?


This John William is now Mayor. If people cared then he might be impeached.

That goes back to people going along with other people are doing: "No one is screaming or bleeding from the ears so it must be safe to whatever they are doing". So they see John William and don't think twice about seeing if everything is kosher cos "everyone else isn't asking any questions". So secretly John William and company plot to give them what he believes to be their just desserts for not paying attention.


Is it pretty much certain that the clerk won't have a sworn oath, and if this is the case, how does that benefit me strategically?

I believe its along these lines: if the official lacks the required oath of office, then they are not an official--they are a pretender or impostor. Their actions, deeds, statements, demands are null.

allodial
11-19-15, 09:13 AM
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xparte
11-20-15, 07:49 AM
Does a using a first and middle name offer no commercial or legal insurance ? both the DRIVER LICENCE & DRIVER,S LICENCE are for commercial lean Who identifies with a Name any NAME is in a commercial warzone the Competency use is the red cross tent in that war zone u know the Driver test is for commercial Competency if a 16 year old passes a Driver Exam why is his insurance 3 grande is the test as competent as those premiums the 16yold has no commercial driving skills he can ignore it all as his insurance is the competency level DOT passed this kid as competent for insurance purpose only just like the rest who make no money driving or traveling a lousy wheelman wont keep a job . how can a professional driver lose his competency level he cant be COMMERCIALY insured .no DL OR A SUSPENSION might prohibit registering insurance but if i operate drive or travel in a insured auto it matters less as competency is a expired DL and a r4c with your first n last and family insurance policy 1 WHO,S NAME IS on insurance PREMIUM REALLY does it matter the crash or cash if theres no insured NAMED DRIVERS OR a Driver its the registered owner who insurance pays out from his title . If ever your pulled over without being in any accident the LEO i just phoned officer triple A the hook is on its way the owner has been informed buddy out the battlefield show them competency in the actions that your privileged to inform a fellow peace officer no emergency how may i assist my fellow Man this is all i carry for a emergency the Truth pass up over and around offers. What a successful Cop knows about ME is my identification is with out a doubt private with witness. Towing it is having it restored to its registered copy of a titled holder its purchased value was taxed. All impounds are frozen titles>If i have no lawful excuse i can be legally sacrificed with a tape recorder less to forget for the record that truth was even less to remember. when pulled over how many ways does sideways have. Being pessimistic as the Mystic cast witch craft spells a shaft.Henry Ford built personal liability government insured its dividends on paper then demanded with Smith & Wesson to see that liability Birth & Death just between certificates between a bullet and target.

David Merrill
11-20-15, 08:21 AM
Does a using a first and middle name offer no commercial or legal insurance ? I think it more a stepping stone toward BALANCE, the CHRIST mind is balanced. both the DRIVER LICENCE & DRIVER,S LICENCE are for commercial lean You must show some evidence about this for it to sink in with me. I recall the CUSIP Number Generator on the Fidelity Website... Who identifies with a Name any NAME is in a commercial warzone the Competency use is the red cross tent in that war zone u know the Driver test is for commercial Appearance cures all defects in jurisdiction? That might be a better way to say that. Misnomer is a fatal flaw but it really has to be a big discrepancy like giving a defendant somebody else's name. COMMERCIAL verses COMMON Carrier? Competency if a 16 year old passes a Driver Exam why is his insurance 3 grande is the test as competent as those premiums the 16yold has no commercial driving skills he can ignore it all as his insurance is the competency level There the insurance industry is taking advantage of statistics. I am not defending the System. I am just saying that guilt causes sin; as a sense of separation - feeling God is distant or angry. If you take full responsibility for EVERYTHING then you are without sin. DOT passed this kid as competent for insurance purpose only just like the rest who make no money driving or traveling a lousy wheelman wont keep a job . how can a professional driver lose his competency level he cant be COMMERCIALY insured .no DL OR A SUSPENSION might prohibit registering insurance but if i operate drive or travel in a insured auto it matters less as competency is a expired DL and a r4c with your first n last and family insurance policy Being able to compensate an injury to another caused by your operation of machinery is right. 1 WHO,S NAME IS A PREMIUM REALLY in at the crash site the DRIVERS OR a Driver. The LEO is trained to listen for how you identified yourself. This is why I trace it back to the Passover Lamb. The Blood was to identify the family, not as a sacrifice to appease God. I think u tell the LEO before he shows his teeth i just phoned triple A the hook is on its way the owner has been informed buddy out the battlefield show them competency in the actions that your privileged to inform a fellow peace officer no emergency how may i assist my fellow Man this is all i carry for a emergency the Truth pass up over and around offers. Yes! Your smile identifies you. Your voice too. The relaxed and confident intonation... What a successful Cop knows about ME is my identification is with out a doubt private with witness. Towing it is having it restored to its registered copy of a titled holder its purchased value was taxed. I don't see that but then since I began "driving" again, after twenty years I have not had to deal with an impound lot manager. The Registration/Tax Receipt says David Merrill and that there is $0 property tax. I doubt the impound officer would even mention it. All impounds are frozen titles>If i have no lawful excuse i can be legally sacrificed with a tape recorder less to forget I am not sure that is an accurate mental model. for the record that truth was even less to remember. when pulled over how many ways does sideways have. Being pessimistic as the Mystic cast witch craft spells a shaft.Henry Ford built personal liability government insured its dividends on paper then demanded with Smith & Wesson to see that liability Birth & Death just between certificates between a bullet and target.I am much more comfortable with my identity, signing David Merrill and allowing the System to assume MERRILL is my last name too. - A lot more comfortable than I thought.

Interestingly it took all day long. My (then) girlfriend is a psychiatrist. Whenever a clerk started giving me difficulties she would jump in like she was my Mom or something. I just kicked back and let her go to it. It probably would never have happened without her to do that. I wonder if she was just annoyed with having to drive me all around trying to get my license? We had to go downtown and to SSA and then to the clerk and recorder and to the county building ... back downtown... even to my doctors office where I got them to put an address to my last bill and print it out for me. That is probably it! She just wanted to get it over with and at the end of the day I was licensed up and insured etc. SS Card, replaced birth certificate; the whole 9 yards.

allodial
11-20-15, 11:17 AM
You can have a licensed driver training instructor that works for a driving training school certify your competence. In some states the State Patrol is responsible for verifying competency. The license is separate from the competency certification although the competency certificate can be bundled in by presumption. But consider this: taking the driver's license written and field test, asking the State Trooper to sign the form saying that based on his/her observation {true name} has the competencies required of a motorist. If necessary, you could have a mobile notary stop by the DMV. That is, you can just ask them to certify your competence without any intent to get driver's license. Or alternatively, perhaps you can have the DMV certify your competence based on the written test results and the field report from the State Trooper. Of course, you could even add a space for SSN. If you don't have one, obviously you can put in zeroes or "none" or something to that effect.

xparte
11-21-15, 06:49 AM
I think it more a stepping stone toward BALANCE, the CHRIST mind is balanced. both the DRIVER LICENCE & DRIVER,S LICENCE are for commercial lean In fairness DRIVER LICENCE period if you hold one it means your competent to hold it what else is the test for but a LICENCE profession of transport.The term sunday DRIVER never took a test is simply they DOT never had one if the salesman told u ones the gas pedal ones the brake and u go no place without clutch.My point being sunday had no commercial traffic all professional Driver,s new what a sunday driver was.It was that Monday through sunday driver that slowed the commercial transportation down yes with SUNDAY COMPETENCY issues that's still up for grabs a commercial COMPETENCY or a commercial liability how can u balance behavior commercially u make it a PRIVILEGE to share the roadways with professionals when Bonnie with Clyde lost more than any rights & PRIVILEGE Identified as public enemies did Bonnie or Clyde ever drive nope it was traveling back then only a licensed commercial DRIVER could DRIVE. I am saying if a privilege is based on compliance what compliance does the Driver lose with a suspension he ends his profession commercially I cant lose my competency as a Driver when i,am not a Driver so DRIVER,s are any one who DRIVES just never commercially. A Suspended Driver,s Licence that,s fine/ insurance is on the Automobile not its Driver How many Driver,s are insured none I thank u David Merrill for finding ones balance is a journey it helps to know the ones that never worry as nowadays every balance works with a net


2. Automobiles Key 352

Proof that defendant had driven an automobile while his driver's license was suspended did not sustain allegations of charge that he had driven while his operator's license was suspended.? Hey, at six a.m. this morning, you know the man knocked at my door
I screamed into his ear, "Now looka here, I'm not the guy you're searching for"
But I got taken, yeah I got taken just the same
When it comes to getting sleep at night
You know I just can't seem to win

I went down to the zoo where I thought that I might hide
I met a friendly grizzly bear, who took me for a ride
And I got mangled, yeah I got pushed all out of shape
Yes, when it comes to being sociable
I just can't seem to win

Climbing up Mt. Everest to get away from all the noise
I slipped on a banana peel man and I almost got destroyed
And I was, I was worried, oh yes, I was worried all the way down to the ground
When it comes to holding safety nets
Nobody ever seems to be around

Well I put myself together, you know I found that it was best
If I had no longer tried to be just like all the rest
Because I'm, I'm twisted, yeees and I dig the way I am
Don't ask me about being normal you know I, I just no longer give a damn ?? Steppenwolf Twisted TRUTH and What shape it comes in? Riding with Christ [being ]non Commercial thief


3. Automobiles Key 136

There is in Texas no such license as a "driver's license."

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No attorney on appeal for appellant.

Wesley Dice, State's Atty., Austin, for the State.

BELCHER, Commissioner.

Appellant was convicted, in the County Court Panola County, for unlawfully operating- a motor vehicle upon a public highway while his operator's license was suspended, and his punishment was assessed at a fine of $25.

[1]Under such a charge, the state wasunder the burden of showing that there had been issued an operator's license to appellant to drive a motor vehicle upon a public highway;that such license had been suspended;and that,whilesuchlicensewas atsuspended, appellant drove a motor vehicle upon a public highway.

To meet this requirement, the state here relies upon testimony that appellant drove his pick-up truck upon a public highway in Panola County, on the date alleged, and that he drove said motor vehicle while his license was suspended

Page – Tex. 402

[2, 3]"This proof is insufficient to 'sustain the allegations of the offense charged in the information because a driver's license is not an operator's license.We have held that there is no such license as a driver's license known to our law.Hassell v. State, 149 Tex.Cr.R. 333, 194 S.W.2d 400; Holloway v. State, 155 Tex.Cr.R. 484, 237 S.W. 2d 303; and Brooks v. State, Tex.Cr.App., 258 S.W.2d 317.

Proof of the driving of an automobile while the driver's license was suspended does not sustain the allegations of the information.The evidence being insufficient to support the conviction, the judgment is reversed and the cause remanded.

Opinion approved by the Court.

Page - 360 Tex.

Frank John CALLAS, Appellant,
v.
STATE of Texas, Appellee.

No. 30094.

Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas.

Jan. 7.1959.

Prosecution for driving motor vehicle on public road after operator's license had been suspended. The County Court at Law, Potter County, Mary Lou Robinson, J., entered judgment of conviction and defendant appealed.The Court of Criminal Appeals, Woodley, J., held that where testimony showed that only two persons were in or around truck at time defendant was apprehended and patrolman testified that the other person was not the driver of truck, andlargely upon this testimony jury found defendant guilty, and after jury retired police officer filed complaint charging other person with driving motor vehicle with violation of restrictions imposed on his operator's license and such other person was convicted upon his plea of guilty, defendant's motion for new trial setting forth conviction of such other person should have been granted in order that defendant might have the benefit of evidence regarding conviction of other party in another trial.

Reversed and remanded.

Criminal Law Key 938(1)

In prosecution for driving after operator's license had been suspended where testimony showed that there were only two persons including defendant in or around truck at time patrolman reached it and patrolman testified that other person was not driving panel truck, and after jury retired patrolman filed complaint charging other party with driving motor vehicle and he was convicteduponhispleaof guilty,defendant's motion for new trial should have been granted in order that he might, in another trial, have the benefit of evidence regarding conviction of other party.Vernon's Ann.Civ.St. art. 6687b, § 1(n).

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McCarthy, Rose & Haynes, Amarillo,for appellant.

Lon Moser, County Atty., E. S. Carter, Jr., Asst. County Atty., Amarillo, State’s Atty., Austin, for the State.

WOODLEY, Judge.

The complaint and information allege that appellant drove a motor vehicle upon a public road "after the Texas Operator's License of the said Frank John Callas had ***been suspended" and further alleged that appellant had received an extended period, of suspension "of said Texas Operator's License*** "and that said suspension had not expired.

We have searched the record carefully and find no evidence that the license which had been suspended was a Texas Operator's License, as alleged in the information.

If appellant was driving a motor vehicle, it was a panel truck used as a commercial vehicle in appellant's business, the appropriate license for its operation being a Commercial Operator's License, and not an Operator's License.See Art. 6687b. Sec. I (n), Vernon's Ann.Civ.St.

This Court has held that there is no such license known to Texas law as a "driver's license".See Hassell v. State, 149 Tex. Cr.R. 333, 194S.W.2d400; Brooks v. State, 158 Tex.Cr.R. 546, 258 S.W.2d 317.

There were but two persons in or around the panel truck.One was Walter Schaff, who was seated in the driver's seat when the patrolmen reached it.Patrolman Kirkwood testified that Schaff was not driving the panel truck, and largely upon his testimony the jury found that appellant was the driver.

After the jury retired, Officer Kirkwood filed complaint charging Schaff with driving [Page - Tex 361] a motor vehicle in violation of restrictions imposed in his operator's license.Information was presented by the County Attorney and Schaff was convicted upon his plea of guilty.

Appellant's motion for new trial setting forth the conviction of Schaff after the close of the evidence on appellant's trial should have been granted in order that upon another trial appellant might have the benefit of the evidence regarding the conviction of Schaff.

Appellant’s motion for rehearing is granted; our former opinion herein affirming the judgment is withdrawn, and the judgment is now reversed and the cause remanded

Page - Tex. 317

BROOKS v. STATE.

No. 26458.

Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas.

May 27, 1953

From a judgment rendered by the County Court, Culberson County, defendant appealed.The Court of Criminal Appeals, Belcher, C. held that information, charging defendant with driving a motor vehicle upon a public highway while his "driver's license" was suspended, charged no offense.

Reversed with directions.

Automobiles Key 351

Information, charging defendant with driving a motor vehicle upon a public highway while his "driver's license" was suspended, charged no offense. Vernon's Ann. Civ. St. art. 6687b, § 27. The Court and Private Name is styled with standing room only no defence table needed why defend the truth its enough to know it.

allodial
11-21-15, 08:33 AM
Unfortunately the very long writings about driver's licenses were 'conveniently' wiped off the Interweb. Even some things have disappeared from this side. Beyond the driver's licenses there is another key issue: its the tag on the automobile and the status of the one 'owning' or or 'operating' it. If the automobile or motor vehicle has State of Texas tags hanging from it, then that is the key nexus for a license to drive or operate it being requiring. Treating it as state property or commercial property. License plates can be used to get into the rental car business. There isn't much of anything that allows the State Trooper to tell the difference between a car that is being rented or a car that is under a long term car note or a car that is paid off. Of course rental cars and cars under car notes would have license plates. Cars being rented and cars under car notes are treated as if they are leased. A car that is leased for more than 30 days even if rented gets titled in the lessor's name. So then there would be less ability to tell that XYZ CO is the true owner--except for a lienholder entry on a certificate of title.

The point is that a car note and a lease beyond 30 days are the same thing: the State Trooper, conveniently, can't tell the difference. Since the rental company, a corporate or other statutory entity owns the car in a lease and since the bank owns the car until you pay for it and the note term is EXACTLY THE SAME as a term of lease: you see why the plate is required. To be operating state property requires the license. Now, if you are driving a car that is paid off: it is no longer under a lease. If you put tags on it, how can the State Trooper tell the difference? State property is hanging from the car along with city/county/state stickers and such.

In order to be come a police officer, you need a driver license. Why? Without the license you "cant" take the police driving training? Why? Because the cop cars are likely going to be state property. Doesn't take much thinking to put it all together.

It takes a deeper level of thinking. Fixating on the operator's license doesn't get to the point. Its the tags and the nature of the owner of the property that is key. The significance of the following graphic:

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I traveled in my car for quite some time without any state plates (until I no longer owned it). I got it inspected just for safety sake. I kept it very well maintained--fortunate to have such skills--it was so quiet it was hard to tell the engine was running (and it was a high end engine with lots of pull too). I parked it on streets for weeks at a time. Never got a ticket. It had a sticker on it, NOT FOR HIRE. It also had a USDOT # on the front bumper and also on the rear bumper. I was once followed by a State Trooper on the highway, eventually he went his way, I went mine. I've never been in an accident where I was the cause. Being that I avoid the Drink, I avoid drinking and driving too. Financial responsibility can be maintained via bond sent to the Secretary of the Treasury or by one filed with the State.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=642&d=1314670102
Note: I had separate sticker for NOT FOR HIRE or PRIVATE. Letters minimum of 3" high for visibility. The further away they can see it the better.

Of course with the USDOT # my concern/entity/person is not a motor carrier but is only for special and limited purposes acting AS IF a motor carrier without waiver of any rights or immunities and so that law enforcement officers and others can distinguish between my private automobile and private property and others. On the USDOT form: no cargo is important. It might even help to put a sticker on the car like this: FOR MORE INFO: HTTP://SAFER.FMCSA.DOT.GOV/. Note: I DO NOT PUT THE USDOT # WHERE THE PLATE GOES.

Keep in mind that if you take off the 'passenger cabinet' off the underlying wheelbase and and frame what remains is in the technical sense is a TRUCK --at least as AFAIK. Why do you think they call it a pickup truck? Because its lacking the 'carriage' housing so that the wheelbase and wheels are remaining (i.e. the truck part).

If you want to go a bit further, you could fly a single small white flag from the hood of the car.

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Key documents or certified copies thereof: [1A] affidavit of ownership, [1B] certificate of service of the affidavit on AG or other officer state of last registration , [2A] certified copy of notice of sale or assignment [assignment can be without $ value], [2B] certificate of service of notice of sale being sent to last state of registration that the automobile was sold to venue where registration isn't required), [3] certified copy of bill of assignment or bill of sale, evidence of financial responsibility; [4] USDOT Motor Carrier general record printout and printout of USDOT bond information if applicable; [5] Certificate of Motorist Competency with or without photo.

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Notice of sale is not a bill of sale. The bill of sale or bill of assignment is a separate document although you could notify them by sending a copy of the bill of sale or bill of assignment.

If the assignee or purchaser of an automobile is in a jurisdiction where registration is not required for that assignee or purchaser, then the notice of sale is VERY important--I am basing this on conversation with State/DMV management. They ask that you retain the Certificate of Title though--THEY DID NOT WANT IT! Having the seller fill it out and sign it is ideal. Of course, I am unable to honestly put a city or state or zip code in there for my side. If necessary, one can recreate a similar form (using a word processor or the like) and have it notarized. One can even title it NOTICE OF ASSIGNMENT OR TRANSFER or transfer especially if no $ is involved. It can be helpful to the seller or assignor to have a clause in the notice or in the separate bill of assignment that the seller or assignor shall be without any further liability as owner concerning the automobile or motor vehicle that is the subject of the document.

I don't have a last name, an SSN or that kind of thing. I am unaware of being a public citizen or office holder in the USA or any UN member state. Also, keep in mind: I am not a resident/employee/immigrant/imported person/officer of the United States or any of the 50 States; I don't live in any city, county, hotel, hospital, state, public housing--(I live on private land).

David Merrill
11-21-15, 02:57 PM
You can have a licensed driver training instructor that works for a driving training school certify your competence. In some states the State Patrol is responsible for verifying competency. The license is separate from the competency certification although the competency certificate can be bundled in by presumption. But consider this: taking the driver's license written and field test, asking the State Trooper to sign the form saying that based on his/her observation {true name} has the competencies required of a motorist. If necessary, you could have a mobile notary stop by the DMV. That is, you can just ask them to certify your competence without any intent to get driver's license. Or alternatively, perhaps you can have the DMV certify your competence based on the written test results and the field report from the State Trooper. Of course, you could even add a space for SSN. If you don't have one, obviously you can put in zeroes or "none" or something to that effect.

Delightful reading! - All of it!

allodial
11-21-15, 04:15 PM
Delightful readint! - All of it!

Come to think about it, you could use the USDOT printout and signed application form to support your identity at a bank--especially if you have a Certificate of Competency, Motorist Qualification Card or business card that has a place for the USDOT #. The interfaces are super perty nowadays.

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It is Federal public record that any cop or cop shop can look up.

I suppose it is conceivably possible to have a notary make a certified copy of a printout or to compare your printout with what is on the screen and certify it as a true copy.



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Note: that 17 digits which is AFAIK is same as maximum number of fields for payor/payee name in ACH transactions.

Also, if you them to be able to tell the make/model from the USDOT # there is a place on the USDOT application for 'd/b/a'. One could put the VIN (vessel number/name/nombre) of the automobile in the place as in John or House of Doe Near Jefferson County is d/b/a {VIN}. But you'll need a USDOT # for each car. The first so-many digits of a VIN tells the make and model.

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1. On the online or print forms there is a place to check Other under Operating Classification. I would put: "not for hire" and check Private (Property). I *would not* check Private Passengers (Business) 2. For the Cargo Carried section I would not check anything but Other: and put "no cargo" or "none". I would not check Household Goods--unless you are commercially hauling goods for a retailer or wholesaler. And for "Carrier Operations" I would check "Interstate" unless you want to go through state-level "fun". Why Interstate only? Because the non-commercial transit is by right from private land through the Fed Zone by right without going into the 'commercial subdistricts'. I am convinced that anyone suggesting one put Private Passengers(Business) for Operation Classification or Household Goods for Cargo Carried is trying to get you in trouble. If I just had to put something other than "no cargo" I might put "none". It is worth noting that "Household Goods" might be exempt from 'commercial' status. Private possessions and guests IMHO aren't 'cargo'. Cargo IMHO connotes 'freight' is being paid. Guests + private possessions = no cargo, no passengers.

Note what this article (http://www.jjkellerservices.com/articles/are_you_displaying_right_dot_number.html) says about USDOT number display and leases for less than 30 days. Here is a link to a snapshot for a chauffer company (http://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/query.asp?searchtype=ANY&query_type=queryCarrierSnapshot&query_param=USDOT&original_query_param=NAME&query_string=2780163).

David Merrill
11-21-15, 11:09 PM
Punny that while driving to class it occurred to me:


If necessary, you could have a mobile notary stop by the DMV. That is, you can just ask them to certify your competence without any intent to get driver's license. Or alternatively, perhaps you can have the DMV certify your competence based on the written test results and the field report from the State Trooper.

Colorado is what I describe as a Key Money State because of GILPIN's notes in 1861 and such. So this may be unique to Colorado. You do not get a driver license from the DMV here. You get your driver license from the Department of Revenue.

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allodial
11-22-15, 05:00 AM
The same goes for Missouri. Licenses are through the Missouri Department of Revenue. The Director of Revenue in Missouri has some of the same duties as the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. IMHO the DL # is the State equivalent of a tax ID number.

Re: Notice of Sale
Regarding notice of sale, again, without the notice of sale, the DMV/DoR will hang on to the last known registered owner information. They need notice that the previous owner is no longer owner(surety) on the automobile so that they can de-register. They are aware that automobiles are exported to or purchased in jurisdictions where the buyer doesn't have to register. For example, someone can purchase a 2015 pickup truck and use exclusively on a private racetrack or a farm--no plates needed. The notice of sale to the previous State of registration notifies them of the change. Having the previous owner sign it and include their DL # is a good idea IMHO. It might not hurt to send a copy of the bill of sale or bill of assignment as an enclosure.

The notice of sale signed by the new owner and the former owner should serve to prevent them from going back the last known owner.

David Merrill
11-22-15, 08:45 AM
The same goes for Missouri. Licenses are through the Missouri Department of Revenue. The Director of Revenue in Missouri has some of the same duties as the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. IMHO the DL # is the State equivalent of a tax ID number.

Re: Notice of Sale
Regarding notice of sale, again, without the notice of sale, the DMV/DoR will hang on to the last known registered owner information. They need notice that the previous owner is no longer owner(surety) on the automobile so that they can de-register. They are aware that automobiles are exported to or purchased in jurisdictions where the buyer doesn't have to register. For example, someone can purchase a 2015 pickup truck and use exclusively on a private racetrack or a farm--no plates needed. The notice of sale to the previous State of registration notifies them of the change. Having the previous owner sign it and include their DL # is a good idea IMHO. It might not hurt to send a copy of the bill of sale or bill of assignment as an enclosure.

The notice of sale signed by the new owner and the former owner should serve to prevent them from going back the last known owner.

DMV and DoR distinction flavors the whole deal with DISTRICT jurisdiction.

I am not sure I can explain it briefly better than you just did.

The distortion in thinking is that one re-registers the automobile, but simply replies "That is private." when asked what the sale amount is for. What you are talking about is removing plates. Colorado has the same (uniform laws) doctrine of "Last Registered Owner" as far as process goes.

3227
REMEMBER/REMEDY/REDEMPTION


The point being that I could already be driving the State's automobile, registered as the trustee (for the purpose of settling Charges) in "my" legal or full name, and sell it and re-register it to me (the True Me in Jesus CHRIST, CHRIST Jesus balanced right/left male/female) I AM, for a private amount. I come out, through my shadow material with awakened genome having biblical prophecy (alpha/omega) time being an illusion, actually owning the vehicle. See that there is no property tax? - But fair is responsible so I am still paying for bridges and road use?

This is the Quickening into eternal - the Holy Instant sustainable.

When you look at it simply though, you have to create the car to own it.

If you keep the Creator of the car out there, then the Creator of the car owns the car - out there.

IS THE STATE YOUR GOD?

3228


A suitor keeps this Vitruvian Man image in his office. I hear that the length of one side of the Pentagram is about how long a single strand of DNA is stretched out full length. - Big Surprise! It is only four complex molecules thick though, so you can bunch this incredible amount of information into the nucleus of a cell if you wad it back up - this double helix. Even so, you prayed it into existence with an electron microscope...

That is the interface between Mind and Form.

So forget about the engineers and geneticists who invented the electron microscope through which to pray. Let's think about that table upon which the electron microscope sets. 14K years ago a fellow kept bumping his knees into the side of the rock where he had plopped his dinner. Every time he thought more about dinner than his knees he was uncomfortable with how the hard rock kept making him unhappy during dinner so he moved the tree stump to a part of the rock where it was more recessed and gave more room to move his knees. There you have some of that "junk DNA".

That fellow still lives and sometimes even mutters to you in dreams and visions. But everybody who has refined and manufactured tables since is supplying the illusion the electron microscope is really setting atop a table for you to pray for a glimpse of the Interface where You/I AM are creating the universe, is alive in you, in that 6.5' of Information.

For me, Time was the measured disintegration of energy into matter as witnessed through fleshy eyes. Then when I was 40 I invented a time machine and now God is love because the Holy Spirit always delivers the correct interpretation out of the infinite sea of information in allegorical metaphor created by the ego.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OufK0647p1U

David Merrill
11-22-15, 09:00 AM
P.S. It follows that God is between your dreams.

We spend a third of life here horizontal and about half of that dreaming. This dream so easily confused with reality is simply a formally directed play dictated by ego from conditioned conscious memory and genetic interplay (genome) while what we commonly call dreaming (while asleep) is just a less formally directed rendition of the same on our daily way to that place between our dreams, a sixth of our lives where we commune with God and get rest.

This is the part of our day when our ego is not, so we are I AM. It is when we are refreshed from the rigors of the ego.

xparte
11-22-15, 11:04 AM
[ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence ] I got this letter in July the Sheriff or the Clerk, pursuant
to subsection 6.2(2) of the Summary Proceedings Act
may request the Registrar to suspend the [driver’s license] until
the fine is paid and the Registrar shall, upon such direction or request,
suspend the license until that time. So i ask myself do i hold or did i ever hold a valid DRIVERS what it says Driver Licence on my DRIVERS LICENCE what sum or presumption of frozen left brain Proceedings Act shall the pluralistic S just add S for the posterous Driver or Apostrophes are not used for possessive pronouns or noun plurals what is a driver’s licence without possessive pronouns or noun plurals
by the addition of the following:
The Registrar shall not issue, renew or reinstate a driver’s
licence or registration which has been suspended, revoked or not issued,
reinstated or renewed pursuant to subsection (2), notwithstanding an
order for a time extension for payment issued by the court which issued
the fine. If i have no point please enjoy this pluralistic moment. so My ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence this is the heading and all cap NAME below it. can it be that one [S] includes just all any DRIVER is a collection

allodial
11-22-15, 02:22 PM
DMV and DoR distinction flavors the whole deal with DISTRICT jurisdiction.

In a system where all of the capital (trees) is underwriting the currency, perhaps only re-venue or fruit can be expected rather than new capital at a certain point in that system.


The distortion in thinking is that one re-registers the automobile, but simply replies "That is private." when asked what the sale amount is for. What you are talking about is removing plates. Colorado has the same (uniform laws) doctrine of "Last Registered Owner" as far as process goes.

Well that is the thing, everyone seems to look to the seller to "do it for them" and fail to realize that they can re-assign the property to their tastes at any time. That mindset about being gummed up over "what someone else didn't do" rather than making it so for oneself. No offense, that is what over-feminization (i.e. sans masculinity) of a society does--boys seeing feral moms as role models and diligent dads as dickheads (siding with Esau instead of Jacob).

As to the amount being private, if its only a transfer of capital without additional revenues (i.e. $0.00) then it should be no tax and in the sense that since a taxable event isn't invoked its not a public matter.


The point being that I could already be driving the State's automobile, registered as the trustee (for the purpose of settling Charges) in "my" legal or full name, and sell it and re-register it to me (the True Me in Jesus CHRIST, CHRIST Jesus balanced right/left male/female) I AM, for a private amount. I come out, through my shadow material with awakened genome having biblical prophecy (alpha/omega) time being an illusion, actually owning the vehicle. See that there is no property tax? - But fair is responsible so I am still paying for bridges and road use?

If you say its in the State owned by a resident of the State or of the United States, then that is why the property is seen as the State's. They are presuming the property is from a UN/US transferee to a UN/US transferor. Consider the soundness of a whole society of becoming accustomed to leaving their luggage on the luggage conveyor while they travel (and even when they get back home) and then being unhappy and shouting threats at "the elite" should their stuff disappear from time to time. (Like papers + desk + fan without paperweights or aiming the fan just right, whose fault is it really?)

Note: there is a state that explains exactly how to deregister certain type of property. I posted the code long ago, so many people ignored it, still asking how to do it. Its related to what you posted. Hint: they had to do something involving themselves and no one else. Too simple maybe?


When you look at it simply though, you have to create the car to own it.

I suspect that a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE is really just a certificate of ownership (i.e. suretyship in respect of an automobile). NJ (http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/About/ISM_SS-7.pdf), WA (http://www.fastcartabs.com/bla_forms/420001_wa.pdf) and maybe a few other states are at least honest about that by titling the form application form "Application for Certificate of Ownership" or the like. But if you think about it, its the statement or affidavit of ownership that you are creating by way of the application that they observe as evidence as being sufficient enough to present you with the certificate. In Missouri its an "APPLICATION FOR MISSOURI TITLE AND LICENSE". In New Jersey its "APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF OWNERSHIP". What some people might miss is that the application (and not just the bill of sale + signed-over certificate of title) itself is evidence of ownership that the applicant makes himself.

A key point is that in Missouri you are led to believe that you are requesting title when really on the application you are asserting ownership of the vehicle (i.e. creating evidence), which they use as evidence in support of issuing tags and a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE. So you think they gave you the title when what they really did is certify your certification of ownership. (For a real learning experience, lurk in forums where those guys buy military surplus vehicles and get SF-97 and the process they have to go through to get a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE from a state--the SF-97 is equivalent of an MCO or MSO).

In other words, it seems quite clear title is abstract, its not necessarily something you hold in your hands. You can hold evidence of title in your head or in your hands or under your tongue I suppose? The description of the thing isn't the thing itself. If you want it in reality, then who has to make that happen?


If you keep the Creator of the car out there, then the Creator of the car owns the car - out there.

If you ignore that real men created the car (instead believing the lie that GM made it or some faceless, lifeless, cartoon character made it), then you keep it out there in la-la land too. At one point I realized one thing is that is sold is the opportunity to be thankless and pretend like things don't come from other men or from God to the sense that you can simply buy things without any thanks or attribution to an man somewhere that labored. To be honest, I suspect women like to be able to purchase things without recognizing some man labored to produce it--its an ego thing, having no one to thank even if sweat and fingerprints are all over it. Thusly, selling fictions is big business. Lies as as bribe-gifts to stay asleep.


IS THE STATE YOUR GOD?

If in God we live, and move, and have our being, how could I possibly live in the State?

David Merrill
11-22-15, 03:41 PM
[ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence ] I got this letter in July the Sheriff or the Clerk, pursuant to subsection 6.2(2) of the Summary Proceedings Act may request the Registrar to suspend the [driver’s license] until the fine is paid and the Registrar shall, upon such direction or request, suspend the license until that time. So i ask myself do i hold or did i ever hold a valid DRIVERS what it says Driver Licence on my DRIVERS LICENCE what sum or presumption of frozen left brain Proceedings Act shall the pluralistic S just add S for the posterous Driver or Apostrophes are not used for possessive pronouns or noun plurals what is a driver’s licence without possessive pronouns or noun plurals by the addition of the following:

The Registrar shall not issue, renew or reinstate a driver’s licence or registration which has been suspended, revoked or not issued, reinstated or renewed pursuant to subsection (2), notwithstanding an order for a time extension for payment issued by the court which issued the fine. If i have no point please enjoy this pluralistic moment. so My ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence this is the heading and all cap NAME below it. can it be that one [S] includes just all any DRIVER is a collection

The only proper use of judgment is how it makes you feel. If you feel the joy, peace and love then it is of the Holy Spirit. If not then you are feeding and feeding off of fear.

I have called it a driver license and seldom make the mistake of referring to the Card as "mine". I carry it in the glove box and only use it for identification when I have to, like for banking. But that will always bite you in the butt!


In a system where all of the capital (trees) is underwriting the currency, perhaps only re-venue or fruit can be expected rather than new capital at a certain point in that system.

Redemption.

Well that is the thing, everyone seems to look to the seller to "do it for them" and fail to realize that they can re-assign the property to their tastes at any time. That mindset about being gummed up over "what someone else didn't do" rather than making it so for oneself. No offense, that is what over-feminization (i.e. sans masculinity) of a society does--boys seeing feral moms as role models and diligent dads as dickheads (siding with Esau instead of Jacob).

God is I AM.

As to the amount being private, if its only a transfer of capital without additional revenues (i.e. $0.00) then it should be no tax and in the sense that since a taxable event isn't invoked its not a public matter.

Thank you. I had not thought it through that filter. The Trustee hands it over to the beneficiary in fee simple.

If you say its in the State owned by a resident of the State or of the United States, then that is why the property is seen as the State's. They are presuming the property is from a UN/US transferee to a UN/US transferor. Consider the soundness of a whole society of becoming accustomed to leaving their luggage on the luggage conveyor while they travel (and even when they get back home) and then being unhappy and shouting threats at "the elite" should their stuff disappear from time to time. (Like papers + desk + fan without paperweights or aiming the fan just right, whose fault is it really?)

Note: there is a state that explains exactly how to deregister certain type of property. I posted the code long ago, so many people ignored it, still asking how to do it. Its related to what you posted. Hint: they had to do something involving themselves and no one else. Too simple maybe?

How you think of it is how it is if you own it.

I suspect that a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE is really just a certificate of ownership (i.e. suretyship in respect of an automobile). NJ (http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/About/ISM_SS-7.pdf), WA (http://www.fastcartabs.com/bla_forms/420001_wa.pdf) and maybe a few other states are at least honest about that by titling the form application form "Application for Certificate of Ownership" or the like. But if you think about it, its the statement or affidavit of ownership that you are creating by way of the application that they observe as evidence as being sufficient enough to present you with the certificate. In Missouri its an "APPLICATION FOR MISSOURI TITLE AND LICENSE". In New Jersey its "APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF OWNERSHIP". What some people might miss is that the application (and not just the bill of sale + signed-over certificate of title) itself is evidence of ownership that the applicant makes himself.

A key point is that in Missouri you are led to believe that you are requesting title when really on the application you are asserting ownership of the vehicle (i.e. creating evidence), which they use as evidence in support of issuing tags and a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE. So you think they gave you the title when what they really did is certify your certification of ownership. (For a real learning experience, lurk in forums where those guys buy military surplus vehicles and get SF-97 and the process they have to go through to get a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE from a state--the SF-97 is equivalent of an MCO or MSO).

In other words, it seems quite clear title is abstract, its not necessarily something you hold in your hands. You can hold evidence of title in your head or in your hands or under your tongue I suppose? The description of the thing isn't the thing itself. If you want it in reality, then who has to make that happen?

Those men you mention. - And women too. Consider the differences in the DNA chain, the double helix as minutia. They are right there inside the cellular memory that enables the ego to create the delusional state of separateness.

If you ignore that real men created the car (instead believing the lie that GM made it or some faceless, lifeless, cartoon character made it), then you keep it out there in la-la land too. At one point I realized one thing is that is sold is the opportunity to be thankless and pretend like things don't come from other men or from God to the sense that you can simply buy things without any thanks or attribution to an man somewhere that labored. To be honest, I suspect women like to be able to purchase things without recognizing some man labored to produce it--its an ego thing, having no one to thank even if sweat and fingerprints are all over it. Thusly, selling fictions is big business. Lies as as bribe-gifts to stay asleep.

Herein lies the difference between the Board of Officers and Shareholders owning the corporation - 501(c)(3) and the Trustee/Owner of the 508(c)(1)(A) Mandatory Exception for churches and associations of churches truly owning. - Even to the point where the beneficiaries all sign endorsement of the trust certificates back to the owner in trust.

If in God we live, and move, and have our being, how could I possibly live in the State?


I view this recently as God honoring your choice of debt/death/doubt or Life = remedy/redemption/remember (that God loves you). If you choose sin, then death you get.

BLBereans
11-22-15, 04:10 PM
The only proper use of judgment is how it makes you feel. If you feel the joy, peace and love then it is of the Holy Spirit.

That is the mindset of the Leftists; only they leave out the "Holy Spirit" part. A very scary way to live life - if it feels good, do it.

That is the model used by those who justify their narcissism - without a moral standard from on High, then anyone can justify ANYTHING as long as it makes one "feel good". Murderers, rapists, torturers, thieves, enslavers, etc. can all "feel good" by these actions if it profits them.

Feelings are relative to each individual which in turn renders said feelings as merely opinions. I say murder is good because it brings me happiness in form of earthly riches. You say it is bad because it snuffs out innocent life? Without a moral standard from a Supreme Being Higher than us, who can say who is right and who is wrong? Answer, no one.

Very scary indeed.

allodial
11-22-15, 04:18 PM
Herein lies the difference between the Board of Officers and Shareholders owning the corporation - 501(c)(3) and the Trustee/Owner of the 508(c)(1)(A) Mandatory Exception for churches and associations of churches truly owning. - Even to the point where the beneficiaries all sign endorsement of the trust certificates back to the owner in trust.

I came across a source, and I don't recall it right now, that suggested the original colonies were churches.

walter
11-22-15, 04:35 PM
I have over a period of a couples of years (a few years ago) been stopped and ticketed for no DL and no insurance three times building up a pile of fines that they placed on the dL/account.
The DL # is the same as the account #.

It never is cancelled because after they take their DL away from you they still place the charges on the DL.account #.
The account never closes even when they say you have no DL. Go figure.

So every six months i would get a statement from them saying I have a pile of outstanding fine.
So one day ( a couple years ago now) I took the new statement and paste over the address window on the envelope and put a new address on it.

"Forward to the legal owners and trustee of the name"
then I put the vital stats office of the province my birth was recorded in.

Never heard or received anything from the DL agents again.

What I want to do but have not yet is check the DL/account # at a insurance place to see if the chargers are still on it or even if the account still exists.

I also wonder about inactive accounts falling dormant. Meaning no new chargers or me begging for a privilege activates the statute of limitations.

After all even the SIN/SSN go dormant after not being used for five years and they need to be reactivated.

BLBereans
11-22-15, 04:47 PM
I have over a period of a couples of years (a few years ago) been stopped and ticketed for no DL and no insurance three times building up a pile of fines that they placed on the dL/account.
The DL # is the same as the account #.

It never is cancelled because after they take their DL away from you they still place the charges on the DL.account #.
The account never closes even when they say you have no DL. Go figure.

So every six months i would get a statement from them saying I have a pile of outstanding fine.
So one day ( a couple years ago now) I took the new statement and paste over the address window on the envelope and put a new address on it.

"Forward to the legal owners and trustee of the name"
then I put the vital stats office of the province my birth was recorded in.

Never heard or received anything from the DL agents again.

What I want to do but have not yet is check the DL/account # at a insurance place to see if the chargers are still on it or even if the account still exists.

I also wonder about inactive accounts falling dormant. Meaning no new chargers or me begging for a privilege activates the statute of limitations.

After all even the SIN/SSN go dormant after not being used for five years and they need to be reactivated.

Sound like the lesson of Lot's wife is relevant here; why "look back" if it has nothing to do with you?

allodial
11-22-15, 04:51 PM
I have over a period of a couples of years (a few years ago) been stopped and ticketed for no DL and no insurance three times building up a pile of fines that they placed on the dL/account.
The DL # is the same as the account #.

It never is cancelled because after they take their DL away from you they still place the charges on the DL.account #.
The account never closes even when they say you have no DL. Go figure.

Closing an account and cancelling an account are two different things. The DL application brings about a bundle of things apparently: competency certificate by presumption at least, tax ID (revenue related), account at the Department of Revenue or DMV, ID. After seven years, at the IRS at least, the records can disappear until you make some kind of activity. The IRS records and the SSA's records are, obviously, not the same.

When they suspend the license, that doesn't mean that they close the account. Typically the license # is a mask for the SSN.

David Merrill
11-22-15, 08:07 PM
That is the mindset of the Leftists; only they leave out the "Holy Spirit" part. A very scary way to live life - if it feels good, do it.

That is the model used by those who justify their narcissism - without a moral standard from on High, then anyone can justify ANYTHING as long as it makes one "feel good". Murderers, rapists, torturers, thieves, enslavers, etc. can all "feel good" by these actions if it profits them.

Feelings are relative to each individual which in turn renders said feelings as merely opinions. I say murder is good because it brings me happiness in form of earthly riches. You say it is bad because it snuffs out innocent life? Without a moral standard from a Supreme Being Higher than us, who can say who is right and who is wrong? Answer, no one.

Very scary indeed.

In the alternative misuse of judgment will make one sick. But that might become obvious.



I came across a source, and I don't recall it right now, that suggested the original colonies were churches.


The Mandatory Exception is like Pope or Mayor. Bishop of Rome would be to say City of Vatican.



I have over a period of a couples of years (a few years ago) been stopped and ticketed for no DL and no insurance three times building up a pile of fines that they placed on the dL/account.
The DL # is the same as the account #.

It never is cancelled because after they take their DL away from you they still place the charges on the DL.account #.
The account never closes even when they say you have no DL. Go figure.

So every six months i would get a statement from them saying I have a pile of outstanding fine.
So one day ( a couple years ago now) I took the new statement and paste over the address window on the envelope and put a new address on it.

"Forward to the legal owners and trustee of the name"
then I put the vital stats office of the province my birth was recorded in.

Never heard or received anything from the DL agents again.

What I want to do but have not yet is check the DL/account # at a insurance place to see if the chargers are still on it or even if the account still exists.

I also wonder about inactive accounts falling dormant. Meaning no new chargers or me begging for a privilege activates the statute of limitations.

After all even the SIN/SSN go dormant after not being used for five years and they need to be reactivated.


I see the wisdom in having somebody (insurance agent) who wants your money to do the investigation. After twenty years of ebiking and bus around town they made me start fresh like a sixteen-year old. I had to have a licensed adult next to me for a month. But the SSN was still there with a record of 40+ quarters so that is good to go still - my "old age" insurance policy.

xparte
11-22-15, 08:34 PM
So i ask myself do i hold or did i ever hold a valid DRIVERS what it says Driver Licence on my DRIVERS LICENCE The only proper use of judgment is how it makes you feel. If you feel the joy, peace and love then it is of the Holy Spirit. If not then you are feeding and feeding off of fear.Well 60 day,s The DRIVER OR DRIVERS one got identified as ME so i used proper judgment and at a show cause hearing invoked my joy, peace and love for the Holy Spirit and decreed my true name and nature for and on the record as only a Man standing under God . And this zer0ed there account i am presuming at the time of drivers arrest not mine a ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence for a the NAME on a Driver Licence if it is only me that can refuse to carry hold or be identified with this feel good privilege and feeding the identity crisis as fear is never how following Christ works for me i follow JC with no guilt or shame his true Name was never registered and my true Name i give freely as know registration was attached. Now roadside if a suspension is for a DRIVERS or DRIVER,s licence how is the one in the glove box get that S attached to it.And why if its not signed its not valid is that my claim or there's signing it.for this i Drive a family car nothing but insurance and registration in glove box officer you may identify this vehicle i have phoned the owner a tow truck is on its way. This is fair and Christ like Now how can a DRIVERS licence be suspended if its was issued as a DRIVER only LICENCE issued AT BIRTHS OR BIRTH CERTIFICATE [BIRTH,S] what clever use is the S in driver used to establish guilt.

David Merrill
11-23-15, 02:37 AM
i follow JC with no guilt or shame his true Name was never registered and my true Name


That is what I am talking about.

pumpkin
11-23-15, 01:14 PM
I came across a source, and I don't recall it right now, that suggested the original colonies were churches.

Reminds me something my mother taught us when we were small children, using your hands. 'Here's the church, here's the steeple, open up and there's all the people'. Gives a real meaning of separation of church and state.