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DTBA
03-31-18, 04:14 AM
From my research, I have come to find a land patent is the highest form of "title to land" per say. If you have a warranty deed stating the land is free and clear of all liens and debt, you can file for a land patent. It's a little bit different process then most. But from what I know, a land patent is granted by congress themselves and it supersedes state and federal government. After it has been achieved, no lien, or tax can be put on the land. No one has the right to take it away for any reason, and without your permission or the name is not on the "application", no one is allowed to come on the property. Also from my understanding, only congress can revoke it or have it changed in anyway.

This is an informative instruction set I found which explains the process.

https://info.courthousedirect.com/blog/bid/261674/land-patent-faq-part-2-how-to-file-a-land-patent

If I am wrong in any of this information please correct me.
Thoughts on the matter?

David Merrill
03-31-18, 11:38 AM
From my research, I have come to find a land patent is the highest form of "title to land" per say. If you have a warranty deed stating the land is free and clear of all liens and debt, you can file for a land patent. It's a little bit different process then most. But from what I know, a land patent is granted by congress themselves and it supersedes state and federal government. After it has been achieved, no lien, or tax can be put on the land. No one has the right to take it away for any reason, and without your permission or the name is not on the "application", no one is allowed to come on the property. Also from my understanding, only congress can revoke it or have it changed in anyway.

This is an informative instruction set I found which explains the process.

https://info.courthousedirect.com/blog/bid/261674/land-patent-faq-part-2-how-to-file-a-land-patent

If I am wrong in any of this information please correct me.
Thoughts on the matter?

That looks like a quality website at first glance. Land patents are useful in gaining that "highest title" I am sure, as in recordation at a clerk and recorder. That is where the rubber meets the road really - the Torrens System. I wish I had more experience with home property ownership. As I recall most any abstract of title traces back to a land patent signed US Grant.

I think that Internet perceptions and patriot mythology may have been distorting the precept of land patent with allodial title mixed in. Another thing is that after LINCOLN declared the April 15th (1861) Extraordinary Occasion Hiram Ulysses - later known as Ulysses S. GRANT, was signing who-knows-how-many land patents; "U.S. Grant". - A pun called "carpetbagger".

I prefer applying my imagination before Congress by a hundred and fifty years,

5067

DTBA
03-31-18, 02:11 PM
Thanks for the reply!

That is interesting to learn what US Grant actually means. Always thought it meant United States, not the commanding General for the Union during the civil war. Have they adopted the term to be synonymous with United States Grant?

Your right about the patriot mind set. There hearts might be in the right place but, they do not fully understand the methods to accomplish there goal. And from what I've learned here, history is one of the best tools to learn and study to understand those methods of operation.

Interestingly about allodial title to land. My states statutes say that all title to land within the state of Ky is allodial however, they hold right to real estate through eminent domain.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393

I have read that land is granted to the people, never sold which is difficult to comprehend. Real estate is anything above the land and therefore can be purchased. If this is true, then how can we claim land without going into debt?

David Merrill
03-31-18, 04:10 PM
Thanks for the reply!

That is interesting to learn what US Grant actually means. Always thought it meant United States, not the commanding General for the Union during the civil war. Have they adopted the term to be synonymous with United States Grant?

Your right about the patriot mind set. There hearts might be in the right place but, they do not fully understand the methods to accomplish there goal. And from what I've learned here, history is one of the best tools to learn and study to understand those methods of operation.

Interestingly about allodial title to land. My states statutes say that all title to land within the state of Ky is allodial however, they hold right to real estate through eminent domain.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393

I have read that land is granted to the people, never sold which is difficult to comprehend. Real estate is anything above the land and therefore can be purchased. If this is true, then how can we claim land without going into debt?

I don't know. This is the kind of thing that jumps out at me. I look around and nobody else seems to notice or care. Like Jenny Anne GARNER would quip:


What's in between your ears? (wallet)

Simply put, use responsibly while comprehending relationships. Allodial title is construed in the wrong perceptions of relationship, to government. At least that is why people seem to be squabbling. If the tempers flare up then I presume insecurity. Emotional leads to actual - lack of a bond or secured party - insecurity. People strike out as individuals and think that makes them equipped to own anything.

The redeemed own. But the redeemed are no longer in debt, and therefore are no longer individuals. There are baffling Bible verses about this - quite a few. If you die, you will live. If you give it all up, you will own it all...

The law is always written for the individual. Amazing!!

DTBA
06-29-18, 11:49 PM
The redeemed own. But the redeemed are no longer in debt, and therefore are no longer individuals. There are baffling Bible verses about this - quite a few. If you die, you will live. If you give it all up, you will own it all...

I just read this today and it just clicked in my mind what it meant. Thank you. People want what they want now and get private credit to have it. Issue is, they are a user and not owner. The debt for such desire to have something was never settled. To give up credit and come back to the real realm of "reality".

DTBA
06-30-18, 12:20 AM
I have been reading more about the land patent. Anyone can file for one. But I read an article that stating that it does not supersede state tax which is conflicting to the information on the land patent itself. Looking for verification on this information. Land and property, when purchased or gotten by the endorsement of private credit has to be recorded with the county recorders office and tax assessor. The land or property is then registered as residential, agricultural, or commercial. Not private as private property cannot be taxed. These three forms are all commercial in nature. The land is then used as collateral for government to give loans and then tax is collected due to these loans and private credit. Public debt is tied to the property which is the real reason for tax on that property. The only way to hold true title to it is you have to find out who owns that debt and pay it off so your property is truly free and clear. Then you can register the land as private with the county tax assessor. I will find that article and post it here. I is a interesting read.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/landpatent/landpatent-propertytax.txt

DTBA
06-30-18, 12:41 AM
Another note. I have been reading about the MCO or Manufactures Certificate of Origin for vehicle ownership. By reading the Uniform Certificate of Title Act, link provided below. It states that if the vehicle is held under an MCO, the owner has the right to select the proper jurisdiction for any claim that comes against the owner. Ownership is transfered by the original bill of sales which is the MCO. Therefore, you can indeed own your vehicle. Also, apparently if you buy a car from a dealer, you can ask/demand for the MCO and they will give it to you for a small fee. (Have not verified this but have read if from a forum somewhere.) In Kentucky, to register a vehicle, the application for registration must come with the MCO. Link is provided.

http://www.uniformlaws.org/shared/docs/certificate_of_title/ucota_final_06.pdf

http://lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=5917

DTBA
11-06-18, 02:14 AM
Hello All,

I haven't been on the scene for a while but wanted to inform people of the Homestead Exemption through your local PVA office created by the Homestead Act. I'm researching more about holding property in private form which from what I have found out is just UN-recording it from the County Recorders office as that is consent for it to be assessed for taxation purposes through the Ad Valorem tax roll which is fully commercial in nature according to the Institute for Professionals in Taxation. Ad valorem Tax must pass 4 criteria through the U.S. Constitution Commerce clause to be deemed a valid tax on any commercial act. Just wanting to inform everyone of what I have found so far. Thank you and God Bless!

DTBA
11-06-18, 02:35 AM
Hello Again,

The second thing I researched is the true definition of a motor vehicle as it is not truly defined by my state statutes under definitions. However, I did find the definition in Title 18 Chapter 2 subsection 31 Definitions. Read Definition 6 and then definition 10. Link provided from GPO website https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap2-sec31.pdf and it is Positive Law which is nice. This creates two criteria to meet in order for any vehicle to be classified as a motor vehicle and must be registered. If either fail, then it's not a motor vehicle. Even the Federal Motor Carrier Satefy Administration states in there FAQ that if a CMV is being used for personal use only, there regulations do not apply to the user or the vehicle itself as it's not used for Gain. Link provided read question 5 and guidance that follows. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/390.5

Thanks and God Bless.

David Merrill
11-10-18, 10:09 AM
I recall trying that sort of thing in county court. When I resorted to law dictionaries the prosecutor objected and the "judge" upheld the objection. All the research went out the window at that point.

Thomas Robert
11-30-18, 12:11 AM
Hello DTBA, After you get your land patent and everything done what are the benefits you expect to experience, if any?

DTBA
12-01-18, 03:48 PM
That's interesting to know. But then I must ask, if the law cannot be upheld to work as it should then, what is the next step? Do the federal courts do the same thing or, is using a law dictionary to define words and phrases not defined in the documents being tried actually going off course and gives them a valid objection? The way this stuff is written, the color "red" can mean 5000 different things basically. Which is why they use legalize. We all know of the Oath bond dodging and how that process is suppose to work. But if they are holding office unlawfully then can we as a people still hold a claim against them? I'm still an infant on this information but find it fascinating. I've learned and read a lot since the discovery of this website. And look at everything differently now. As you have way more experience with this then I, as I have only been in court twice. Once on the jury, and the other for having a expired drivers license when I was a young man.

Thanks for your response and God Bless!

DTBA
12-01-18, 04:42 PM
I'm not to sure. From what I have found out, the Land patent is suppose to be the highest form of "title" to property and no claim can be made against it if it is a perfected "title". However, in my state, according to the Revised Statues, it says that all forms of title are allodial. Link provided. ( http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393 ) But, that states that they hold right to eminent domain on real estate. Real estate is still putting or converting private property to a commercial classification. Real estate is commercial in nature. Extracting my property from commercial realm and holding it in private form means it's not real estate from what I have researched. The land patent is suppose to grant you the land by congress themselves, and congress is outside of the United States corp form of government as they are part of the Republic. They control the United States federal corp. as they created it via the Act of 1871. The only people who can revoke the land patent is congress. Private property is protected under the Republic Constitution for the United States of America. Which brings me to State Citizen vs U.S. citizen. These are two Citizenship's in this country for the two different forms of government. State Citizen is for the Republic, U.S. citizen is for U.S. corp. . Reading the Immigration and Nationality Act, you find that you are born a National and then granted U.S. citizenship. The State citizen can be achieved via the passport through the Post Office. This will correct your status when you fill out the application and check no to U.S. citizen. However, I have not tried this but reports say it works. But then you must fulfill any contracts you have with the U.S. Corp government and get to a clean slate. Then stop contracting with them. Now this turns to Lawful money redemption that has been provided via this site by David and Joseph. This effectively terminates any agreement to operate with private credit with any Bank. But, I have found out it's not just an endorsement on checks. This remedy can be used on all financial documents. Anything that says revenue on it or tied to a revenue agency, this can be used. Very powerful I must say as the federal reserve is so deeply woven into today's government agency's and administrations.

Please note however, I am still only a researcher at this moment. I wish to educate myself to the point of being able to stand firm on my processes and or claims to truly be able to achieve my goals. Then share valid information for others to use. This year is the first year of me filing a lawful money return with the IRS and the fear is still present in my mind. This will be my first step into actually acted on my knowledge. The second will most likely be the passport as a man I worked with who worked at the post office was telling me about filling for a passport and he validated some of the information I researched.

Thanks for the question and response. God Bless!

DTBA
12-01-18, 05:01 PM
I have noticed some information on here about the MCO/MSO for your cars and may have found a valid solution. You can contact the manufacturer of the vehicle and request a duplicate copy of the MCO/MSO through them. They will send you and affidavit you fill out and have notarized and then send it back. It will take about a month to do and get the duplicate but it's a duplicate of the original on the correct paper with security measures in place. Then you can void out the state Title and return it to them.

Thanks and God Bless!

DTBA
12-28-18, 06:27 PM
To add to my post about the U.S. Federal citizen vs state citizen. The documentation that I verified that from was "The slaughter house cases" in Louisiana. link provided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/83/36
Those cases proved the difference between a State Citizen and a U.S. citizen. The State Secretary can sign/issue passports for identification in every state and is done so via the Post Office. However, state citizenship is not a option on the passport application. You must select "other" and then use your Birth certificate or other proof that you are a State citizen. But I put this into question as going back to 1775, when Ben Franklin borrowed money from France to fund the war and then could not pay it back. Which created the first bankruptcy. Then this would explain why some call the U.S. Constitution a bankruptcy document. Meaning that ALL of the procedures fall under bankruptcy law and administration when you look at the big picture of things.

Thoughts?

lorne
01-24-19, 05:37 AM
I created a trust whose trustee then bought the real estate with cash, lawful money (no mortgage). The trust owns the property. Legal name isn't even in the public record. And get this, the trustee is someone I ... trust.

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Chex
01-24-19, 03:33 PM
I have been reading But I read an article Looking for verification on this information. Land and property, when purchased has to be recorded with the county recorders office and tax assessor. The land or property is then registered as residential, agricultural, or commercial. Not private as private property cannot be taxed. These three forms are all commercial in nature. its a interesting read.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/landpatent/landpatent-propertytax.txt



Private property means (https://www.conservapedia.com/Private_property)

DTBA
02-16-19, 08:46 PM
Interesting read on private property meanings. Under Ownership on that page explains the point I'm trying to reach or get at but there is no means to move in that method to get my property listed as private. This is an issue I have ran into as from my up bringing. I have NO IDEA how to operate within my own mind and body to govern my own movements in the real world to create my own kingdom as one could say. There is no instruction set. So I fight within my own mind that I can do this but how? I know this method but I have to pay a usage fee for the property. Which also brings up another fact I uncovered researching 1933 and the congressional record.

When the gold was withdrawn from circulation and the state of emergency was put into place. The people agreed to have all their property in the nation put up for collateral for the mortgage on the public debt. Ownership is only by virtue of Government. So in my mind now, the only way we can truly own property again in allodial status is when the mortgage is paid off. FRN's represent a first lien on ALL assets of the federal reserve bank. So I ask now, is this still plausible? Land Patents are still being issued. Two web sites I have found are good information on this. Links Below.

https://thelandpatents.com/

https://www.blm.gov/

Thanks and God Bless.

David Merrill
02-18-19, 06:16 PM
There is no instruction set. So I fight within my own mind that I can do this but how?

I think the obstruction between you and an imaginary goal is found that most if not all Land Patents bear the signature of the President. I have not really studied this out thoroughly but offer a couple points for you to research. The allodium was replaced by land patents after the War of Rebellion (Civil War) in an operation loosely called Carpetbaggers. Like Letters of Marque on the sea during the murder-extended extraordinary occasion of war and emergency for 153 years. LINCOLN's assassination prevented ending the Civil War and bled into the Trading with the Enemy Act against the Great Depression in 1917/1933.

The other aspect of my theory is that we should never be learning from the Internet as direct source material, especially when we have source federal repository (US Government Documents) available. Dregs from the 1990's will read as believable as currently posted fact. This is very misleading about both precepts of ownership - allodium and land patent.

Something that really soaked in for me is how Hiram Ulysses later renamed Ulysses S GRANT as President signed so many of these Land Patents -


US Grant

This might help wrap our minds around the precepts. (https://thelandpatents.com/usa/map)

marcel
02-21-19, 01:26 PM
this private property ... what the Algonquins called land of the swift talking man?

DTBA
02-23-19, 01:37 AM
That's what I am trying to confirm if this goal is truly imaginary or not. They do bear the president's signature but, the top of the document says "The United States of America". Although, later down the document it says, "NOW KNOW YE, That there is, therefore, granted by the UNITED STATES unto the said claimant" ...etc. I assume that this means the grant was authorized by the President of the Federal Corp. UNITED STATES and not by Congress for the United States of America even though it was pursuant to an Act of Congress which I assume is the Homestead Act to grant settlers public land by claim. Which in my mind means the blanket of commerce still reigns over the land and we can no longer own it out right and be a King to our own land. Or have I misinterpreted the information?

Question: Indeed Lincoln's assignation did prevent the war emergency power from being over, but didn't Lincoln borrow the money to fund the war from the IMF in which caused the issue we have today as a nation and the International banking system? Isn't this another bankruptcy that lead into yet another capture of the nation by financial means?

The Algonquins I have never heard of but will look into. However I have a co-worker who is what is called an "Allodial National" through declaring his nationality as an indigenous living breathing human being of the land before "Columbus" came. He has his own Allodial I.D. Card and does not project himself to be a U.S. Citizen. We were talking about the agreements between the United States and Morocco which apparently was why George Washington was sent to help form or install a Governing Document known as the U.S. Constitution as we were still a "Babe Nation" at the time. He claims himself to be a Moore of Morocco and pays no Federal or State taxes as those Laws do not apply to him. He gave all his legal paperwork to H.R. and Legal and they complied to his legal status. He has no taxes taken out of his wages at all. He is in a battle right now with the IRS on his family's property which has been in his family for over 100 years. The IRS say they owe some sort of tax on it. He keeps demanding the contract that says the tax was accrued and who entered into the contract, which is keeping them at bay. Seems they can't produce the evidence. Either way this is a real life example I wish to use to provide backing to my thinking and pursuit of my goal as I have physically seen this in action.

DTBA
02-23-19, 01:43 AM
P.S. I totally agree with you on researching the internet for information. But it's the best means I have as of right now to research. I will look into finding a Federal Repository near me if possible though Thanks for the tip.

David Merrill
02-23-19, 02:11 AM
P.S. I totally agree with you on researching the internet for information. But it's the best means I have as of right now to research. I will look into finding a Federal Repository near me if possible though Thanks for the tip.

Look for US Government Documents. The one I have used is located in a private Mason Chancellory college. Colorado College.

DTBA
02-23-19, 02:28 AM
I created a trust whose trustee then bought the real estate with cash, lawful money (no mortgage). The trust owns the property. Legal name isn't even in the public record. And get this, the trustee is someone I ... trust.

IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION
Do not take DITHIOBUTYLAMINE if you: have heart problems, are easily distracted, allergic to Quaalude, or expecting a post from a real suitor or plan to become pregnant.
DITHIOBUTYLAMINE can cause serious side effects. Call your doctor right away if you have any of the following: Chronic kidney disease, malaise, or yellow-belly. The most common side effects of DITHIOBUTYLAMINE include: laughter, vomiting, trouble seething, numbness, tingling, or burning of The brain or feet, dizziness, confusion and typos.

This is interesting I will look into this as well. The IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION notice was nice. I didn't know my alias was a chemical used to reduce disulfides fast. That alias was a gamer tag I used when I played video games alot.

marcel
03-02-19, 01:54 AM
The county office which serves the public by recording important documents such as mortgages, contracts, deeds, liens, and mapping plans. Once recorded, by use of the computer, each document is given book and page numbers. These numbers are useful to individuals who want to look up or research recorded documents.

After each document is given a book and page number, it is proofread to make sure that the important details of the deed were correctly keyed into the computer. The names of the people, banks and businesses written on the document, as well as their correct spellings, are carefully checked. Once this is done, each document is imaged and the original copy is returned to the party indicated on the document or identified by the submitter.

The digitized copy is then placed into a book kept by the county office. These books are available for the public's use for the information they wish to find regarding any recorded document. The individual who oversees this office is known as the County Clerk. He/she is elected by the people of the county where the office is located, and serves in this position for four years.
https://www.nylandrecords.com/nylr/NylrApp/index.jsp

ag maniac
03-02-19, 03:28 PM
I created a trust whose trustee then bought the real estate with cash, lawful money (no mortgage). The trust owns the property. Legal name isn't even in the public record. And get this, the trustee is someone I ... trust.

IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION
Do not take DITHIOBUTYLAMINE if you: have heart problems, are easily distracted, allergic to Quaalude, or expecting a post from a real suitor or plan to become pregnant.
DITHIOBUTYLAMINE can cause serious side effects. Call your doctor right away if you have any of the following: Chronic kidney disease, malaise, or yellow-belly. The most common side effects of DITHIOBUTYLAMINE include: laughter, vomiting, trouble seething, numbness, tingling, or burning of The brain or feet, dizziness, confusion and typos.


.....very funny lorne !! [in a subtle way]

lorne
03-03-19, 04:56 AM
I don't know what you pay in Kentucky but my uncle in Tennessee has an interesting take on this. He was happy to pay about $900 tax last year on his land (0.74% property tax) agreeing that government does need some income and it's a good deal for what you get - to live peaceably in America. He pays no income tax - thanks to redeeming lawful money - but does have sales tax of course. He also receives some benefits from the state/county, worth much more than what he's paying in taxes, and feels like that "much more" amount is helping to end central banking as we know it. Says if half the folks did this the system would collapse. In fact it seems like the Federal Reserve chairman admitted as much February 26th:
"The U.S. federal government is on an unsustainable fiscal path (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-debt-unsustainable-path-192804468.html),” Powell told the Senate Banking Committee

David Merrill
03-03-19, 09:22 AM
The county office which serves the public by recording important documents such as mortgages, contracts, deeds, liens, and mapping plans. Once recorded, by use of the computer, each document is given book and page numbers. These numbers are useful to individuals who want to look up or research recorded documents.

After each document is given a book and page number, it is proofread to make sure that the important details of the deed were correctly keyed into the computer. The names of the people, banks and businesses written on the document, as well as their correct spellings, are carefully checked. Once this is done, each document is imaged and the original copy is returned to the party indicated on the document or identified by the submitter.

The digitized copy is then placed into a book kept by the county office. These books are available for the public's use for the information they wish to find regarding any recorded document. The individual who oversees this office is known as the County Clerk. He/she is elected by the people of the county where the office is located, and serves in this position for four years.
https://www.nylandrecords.com/nylr/NylrApp/index.jsp

I believe that the modern system has not wandered far from the original Torrens System.


After each document is given a book and page number, it is proofread to make sure that the important details of the deed were correctly keyed into the computer.

Here is an example. When there is an error in the land description a new corrective deed is requested.


5345

5346

DTBA
03-04-19, 09:30 PM
Interesting, your deed is a Warranty Deed held in fee simple that warrants there are no liens or other attachments to the property. My recorded Deed is only titled "Deed" held in fee simple, I assume because of the mortgage tied to the conveyance of ownership. My property is registered as "Residential" and not private. The question is, if I have a right to private property and my state's Revised Statues state that all title to land is allodial, then why isn't it registered as private? Private property cannot be taxed. Or have I interpreted the information wrong?

new link as posted in an earlier post. The KRS website has been redone. File extension is .aspx which can be opened with a pdf reader. I use SumatraPDF is free and open source.

https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393

David Merrill
03-04-19, 09:49 PM
I cannot speak absolutely to what is between your ears. But you sound correct in ways. The property tax is also use of services like emergency phone and fire, plus things like public schooling, bridges, roads and infrastructure. There was an inconsequential but emotional uproar regarding the irrevocable trust where the beneficiary parties made the trust public on social media, including the news. Otherwise I would not be speaking about it at all, as First Trustee.

A lot of people like to play on Bishop Castle and so there is a public aspect as secondary beneficiary, all those great people and their benefit of enjoyment.

5349

There are some details to consider when viewing that there is no building or land associated with the parcel. This is the true church - Castle Church. Therefore there is nothing for the State of Colorado to recognize. If I was to impose what I think is in the mind of that state, Bishop Castle is a pile of rocks on nothing. This is the ordinary nature we all seek.

Like the very scary movie Annihilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89OP78l9oF0). Due to different lighting where the alien came from we do not diffract DNA here. We pass it. Our survival is a sexual transmission over time instead of all DNA working together. The alien was unfamiliar with the Individual and its encounters with individualism for three years were only hostility - another concept that the alien could not even grasp.

Without even trying, it naturally began to try finding peace through curiosity and learning. Finally mimicking hostility and a spoof marriage to learn our ways, in order to survive and be at peace with the natives.

It sure is a pretty pile of rocks!

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4762&d=1479899666

DTBA
03-04-19, 11:06 PM
That is a very nice looking pile I have to say. I do have much to learn which is humbling for me. I do research to help me stand on my own feet if I need to fend for myself against claims targeted at me. Private property not being taxed vs real estate is taxed is the same principle as United States Notes not being taxed vs Federal Reserve Notes being taxed IMO.

I don't mind paying taxes to help people, but when the money is used for non-authorized purposes then I want no part in it. That money in my pocket can enable me to help my fellow man when he is in need. Which can also provide more security with my own family as well to help pay down debt that is just a burden that needs to go away for everyone.

David Merrill
03-05-19, 12:16 AM
Search out some early posts by Motla68 some time. He was playing with the idea of calculating the per capita rate for use from the county CAFR and then paying for the services that the property "owner" wants to purchase per year. It has its problems but he said it works out about the same amount of money and if the county tax assessor accepts the offer properly presented it might set well into an agreement over three years?

I don't know.

But you are right that this is a bit transcendental about the true church. Especially when the doctrine is evolving (http://bishopcastle.us/forum/main-forum/pragmatism?filter_sort=title&filter_order=asc), and the services are that you consider how guilt is serving you - and the tithe is to buy something nice for your worst enemy and that will soon lead you to yourself, for creating conflict...

marcel
03-09-19, 02:05 AM
Tom Lincoln had some trouble about the ownership of the land he was paying taxes on in Kentucky and decided to move along to Indiana...

5370

David Merrill
03-09-19, 10:37 AM
Tom Lincoln had some trouble about the ownership of the land he was paying taxes on in Kentucky and decided to move along to Indiana...

5370

Thank you for that passage.

There is a gavel made from that cabin's woods.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2205&d=1422574710


http://iamsomedude.com/pdf/carey_currency_letter.pdf5369

This Letter smacks of cover up. No mention of Colorado.

Gavilan
03-10-19, 07:19 PM
This Letter smacks of cover up. No mention of Colorado.

Why would Colorado need to be mentioned since is not necessary in the subject matter to be mentioned?

marcel
03-10-19, 09:29 PM
O when them cotton balls get rotten
You couldn't pick very much cotton
In them old cotton fields at home

lorne
03-12-19, 03:03 AM
5372

War of 1812 notes. The second series, Treasury notes issued under 1815 congressional action, are considered by many numismatists and researchers to be the first U.S. paper money to officially circulate since the June 21, 1788, ratification of the U.S. Constitution.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/paper-money/2015/09/treasury-notes-fill-gap-to-support-war-of-1812.all.html

A total of $28,318,400 in Treasury notes was recorded to have been issued under the four acts. According to Hessler-Chambliss, no War of 1812 notes are known to exist from the 1813 authorization. Almost all of the notes issued under the 1812 authorization of notes were redeemed by 1814.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/paper-money/2019/03/war-of-1812-treasury-notes-anderson-sale-by-kagins.html

How do you like that, back in the day people redeemed their notes!

David Merrill
03-12-19, 07:15 AM
Why would Colorado need to be mentioned since is not necessary in the subject matter to be mentioned?

I am hoping to gather the images into this thread. On February 28, 1861 Buchannan/Lincoln formed the Territory of Colorado. Which is to say this was about the last Act of any real Congress. Then on March 28 the Congress adjourned sine die. This did not allow any proper curing of the Territory Act and so Colorado remained more of a war chest on the Auraria and Colorado City gold fields utilized by Territorial Governor GILPIN to issue unauthorized notes to Union Soldiers. Congress eventually honoring these notes opened the way for the Greenbacks and US notes as completely fiat currency.

I searched the link for Colorado and found the '49'er's of California but not the '59'er's of Colorado. Ergo my comment about smacking of a cover up. Avoiding such pertinent subject matter when talking about the recent history of money...

I could not find any of GILPIN's notes at the Money of the Civil War display.

DTBA
09-16-19, 03:16 AM
Wish to update information I have found about property tax. From what I know now. Any property including a land patent that is recorded can be and is taxed. I have also discovered in the statutes for the states that property can be withdrawn from being recorded if you or your partner in ownership do indeed hold the property in fee simple and are the only one's listed on the deed or title. You can fill out the application for record withdraw and not be accessed a tax again.

I have read that a deed is not title, it is only color of title that is created from the true title. This is correct however, it is the vehicle for conveyance of ownership from one party to another. From my over-standing, the deed created should also update the original title and add the next link to the chain of title for ownership. The true matter is property tax and land being recorded to be taxed as an asset of a business. If a situs does not exist on the land, the tax should not be accessed.

Here's one state that has it.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=65.12.230

EZrhythm
09-23-19, 08:12 PM
Wisconsin has various allowances for exemption-
file:///C:/Users/Me/Documents/WIS%20PROPERTY%20TAX%20EXEMPT%20FORM%20pr-230.pdf

lorne
09-24-19, 01:16 AM
Well, now we all know the profile name on your Windows computer.