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Anthony Joseph
07-06-11, 04:57 PM
Here's another "doozy" for ya:

On Sunday July 3rd, I was at my brother's house preparing for a barbecue holiday from work on Monday. We make homemade wine and I was there to "rack-off" some wine from 15 gallon demi-john glass jars into smaller containers. During this process I was cleaning one of these demi-johns by holding it and swirling it around to clean the inside of it. I must have hit my knee while "swirling" and the large jar exploded in my hands. The large shards of glass caused a deep laceration on my lower right leg and I had to be rushed to the hospital.

My brother drove me there and about midway I gathered myself about what just happened and started thinking about the questions that the hospital staff was going to ask me. Thanks to studying David Merrill and Michael Joseph's offerings and recordings on their dealings in this regard, my mind went into "proper and truthful identity mode". Unfortunately, I did not have my recorder with me.

It started at check-in - I gave my true name and no other information they asked for. When asked for date of birth, I responded, "I don't have that information". I was told that they couldn't get me checked in without this info. I said that if you need something to put in your computer to complete the process, then just use 1/1/1971 for your benefit. He finished with his "check-in" and temporarily bandaged me up. I waited briefly in the waiting room when I was approached by what seemed like a hospital administrator. An instant belligerent attitude surfaced from her when she asked me for the "correct" information. I stood my ground and told her I provided the truth when asked. As she starts wheeling me back in, she began the bully and scare tactics by telling me that they can just send me home without treating me unless I provide them with the information they want. I informed her that a hospital is a charitable institution and that they are obligated by law to treat my emergency injury. She told me I was wrong and that only pregnant woman or those with life threatening injuries are under that obligation as she continued to wheel me into a room.

The same threats and bullying continued by the doctor who told me that they can just bandage me and send me home because the wound is not life threatening. I said you can send me home with my leg opened up and my muscle bulging out of my leg? She said yep. I said that's interesting, can I ask you a question? Did you swear and subscribe a Hippocratic Oath? She said she didn't want to "get into a debate with me". I said it is not a debate, just a simple question. When she didn't respond I told her, "For the record, I accept your oath because I know you took one". Still no response, but she continued working on the wound.

They decided to pull out the "big guns" and send in two local police officers they had called due to my "unusual" behavior and they questioned the validity of my story regarding the wound. I guess they thought I was lying and hiding from a warrant or something. The cops tried grilling me about DL, DOB and SSN and whatever else they considered necessary. I kept calm and repeated the truth. They asked for ID and I told them I don't have ID. Then the famous line came: "We can do this the easy way or the hard way it's up to you." I said I do not understand; I am just here to get this big cut in my leg sewn up. After more failed attempts, they left the room and went to grill my brother, cousin and wife in the waiting room. They tried coercing information from them but I instructed each of them prior not to give any information and to tell them if they want information they have to ask me for it. The cops asked for my brother’s ID and attempted to construct info around that interrogation. They tried scaring my family with the same “no treatment without information” tactic. Needless to say it didn’t work and the cops left frustrated and without the information they demanded. My wife, who also properly identified herself as Michelle Joann, asked for the name of the more belligerent officer and he refused to give it, stating like a child, “You won’t give me your name, I won’t give you mine.” The other cop gave his name. My cousin took a video recording of the officer stating that without giving the information the Hospital asks for, they will not treat me. With the large NOTICE on the wall stating otherwise, it was a real joke.

In the end, I received proper treatment and was given x-rays, 24 stitches wraps and crutches. The nurse actually warmed up to me toward the end and told me I was a great patient and a “tank” for going through that pain with what she considered mild reaction.

At discharge, the same questions were asked and I gave the same responses. I signed the “Treatment and Admissions” form as per the manner that David Merrill and Michael Joseph had shared with us. I paid nothing and did not consent to any “Financial Responsibility”. Instructions were for me to return the next day for a follow-up, so I did. No issues whatsoever on the second day and I was told I should see an orthopaedic surgeon to make certain that the injury was healing properly since I cut muscle tissue. That is another story which went somewhat easier.

I intend to make a charitable donation to the Hospital in return for the charity I received even though I am not obligated to "pay" by law. I will calculate by using their "62% cash discount" offered to those with no insurance and also by using the 40:1 Federal Reserve private credit to lawful money scale of proper balances since I only deal in lawful money of exchange.

All credit, praise and glory goes to the Almighty and Ever-Living God above as I prayed and asked Him for guidance throughout the entire ordeal.

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David Merrill
07-06-11, 08:53 PM
Not that you should frequent the ER but next time they will likely have a bogus note at the bottom: ANY ALTERATIONS TO THIS FORM WILL NOT BE HONORED.


Thank you for sharing - hope you heal up right and quick!!

Trust Guy
07-06-11, 09:24 PM
15 gallon ? That's a hunk a hooch Home Boy !

Best Wishes for a speedy and uneventful recovery, TG .

Rock Anthony
07-08-11, 01:55 AM
Thanks, AJ. This could be posted in the Success Stories forum.

I've bookmarked your post.

Anthony Joseph
07-08-11, 03:10 AM
Thanks to all.

The next step was my trip to the Orthopaedic Surgeon by instruction of the Hospital doctor who treated me. Since they work under different rules and guidelines it was a bit tricky getting into that appointment. My conversation with the office manager ended in her explaining to me that without "valid picture ID" they would not see me. I told her that I would provide to her a copy of the DL card I use for her benefit in order to meet her requirement. However, I specifically wrote on the photocopy: "Not provided or used as Identification. Provided solely for the requirement and benefit of XYZ Orthopaedic Specialists, LLC." All information that I considered foreign to me on their "New Patient Form" I placed in [brackets] ("Last name", "DOB", "address") since these had to match the DL card which I had to present by "Federal mandate". Again, at the bottom, I wrote the same disclaimer but added, "Will not provide treatment otherwise." I also crossed out the "Release of Medical Information" section and wrote in, "Doctor/Patient confidentiality ONLY".

They required an advance payment of $253 dollars and I was seen. The computer file shows up as "JOSEPH, ANTHONY" and they had my x-rays from the hospital. After a short visit and look-over by the doctor I was given a clean bill of health and they refunded me $152; giving back the same cash I handed them which they held in an envelope.

Rock Anthony
07-08-11, 03:56 AM
Why do you think you were given a refund?

Anthony Joseph
07-08-11, 05:03 PM
Why do you think you were given a refund?

They required more money upfront in case the bill would be higher than a regular office visit for a first time patient. I was told beforehand that they will either refund the difference or expect more money depending on what treatment and service was tendered. The visit was short and sweet so I got the refund for overpayment.

motla68
07-11-11, 05:31 AM
Hey AJ , thanks for sharing. What a few people have done in our study groups is slightly less hassle without making any legal determination of being the name they are looking for, a xerox copy of certificate of live birth was given, it was given back when they were done. After being billed the xerox copy was given to the clerk and told them it was a gift for their benefit after receiving the bill the name in caps was written, a colon after that then wrote " property of the state of ohio " being that the COLB was from ohio, same thing was done with a hospital bill in texas. They were treated well right from the start and not billed for follow up visit either.

Most of these hospitals have been chartered by the state and when you reveal that all they are doing is billing themselves everything is conveniently taken care of because that name is ward of the state. Not only that there is something called the Hill Burton Act and in that act it states that any hospital facility receiving federal funding falls with in the Act which has the provision to offset the bills for all indigenous people which is all we are because as you know the currency is not backed by nothing and it has a seal of a foreign business corporation.
So you can see there is a couple different angles you can take this to.

motla68
07-11-11, 05:41 AM
Here is another example

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Chex
07-12-11, 05:51 AM
Not only that there is something called the Hill Burton Act and in that act it states that any hospital facility receiving federal funding falls with in the Act which has the provision to offset the bills for all indigenous people which is all we are because as you know the currency is not backed by nothing and it has a seal of a foreign business corporation.

indigenous people caught my attention (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Indigenous+peoples)

Trust Guy
07-12-11, 11:43 AM
Native indeed Chex . According to Noah (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,native) .

Anthony Joseph
07-13-11, 06:34 PM
Apparantly this Hospital is "for-profit" and cannot accept charitable donations of any kind. This most likely is due to tax obligations and liabilities else why would anybody refuse a good will offering? Obviously the Hospital values its tax-status with the IRS more than someone who wishes to express a measure of gratitude for services rendered via charitable contribution.

I guess I will have to think further on that one.

David Merrill
07-14-11, 12:14 AM
Apparantly this Hospital is "for-profit" and cannot accept charitable donations of any kind. This most likely is due to tax obligations and liabilities else why would anybody refuse a good will offering? Obviously the Hospital values its tax-status with the IRS more than someone who wishes to express a measure of gratitude for services rendered via charitable contribution.

I guess I will have to think further on that one.

Once I dropped off notice to Security and sure enough, spent a few hours picking up litter. Interestingly, there was nobody who would pick up cigarette butts there - I must have picked up thousands of cigarette butts that day.