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Life's-a-Psyop
08-18-11, 07:00 PM
I found motla68's creative handling of presentments to be very intriguing, particularly for its simplicity. In the many lively exchanges between motla68 and David Merrill on the subject, new insights were emerging. David was distilling down the process as to what effected setoff. It became apparent that the lawful money verbiage was the key, which brings lawful money remedy to a whole new level.

This inspired me to test it out and the annoying parking ticket that had been sitting on my desk would fit the bill. I tried stamping the ticket, but it smeared because it is that slick type of thermal paper. So, I now had a ticket with an illegible ink smudge on it. I fixed it by printing the verbiage on a 1x4 inch address label and sticking it over the mess. I then mailed it off in the envelope provided.

Time line
6/29/11 Online screenshot of ticket info
6/30/11 Mailed ticket
7/17/11 Online screenshot of "ticket not found" (it disappeared about 2 weeks after mailing)

As far as the possibility of it being sent to collections, there has been no evidence of that and according to their policy, fines have to go unpaid 60 days before they are sent to collections.

It appears that the public servant trustees did their job!

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David Merrill
08-19-11, 12:24 AM
That post is a pleasure to read!

I will PM Motla68 with a link here. Possibly he will get an email and get a look.



So far though, I am having trouble making out the images. I am especially interested in seeing the stamp sticker. If the attachments feature reduces it that much, maybe you can link through imageshack (http://imageshack.us/?no_multi=1)like I do.

motla68
08-19-11, 02:04 AM
Fantastic job there Psyop ! Not exactly how I did it but you got the job done just the same. Yes, I did get David's message, thank you for posting.
If you got any other items outstanding on the record you can also get a copy of driving record and for each items account # use a 1099-C on it, this cleans it off the record, closes that account. The paper forms are triplicates, one you keep, one goes to the county court (NOT DMV) because the county court clerk is a public trustee, 3rd copy goes to CID office for IRS. Now that you know you can do that do not abuse it though or they will shut you down and you will have to go through some red tape to get the same thing done, live as a peaceful inhabitant, when you need the key of knowledge it will be there for you.

I have been a busy man lately working on some other things besides taken care of the family that is why i had not been on here in a while, have been really busy with removing the birth name from the debtor side to the creditor side and eventually into pure equity, it has been quite a thrill ride so far, but once i do will probably just hire an accountant that knows how to do all that stuff, but at least I will know what is being done so that i can oversee there is no fraud.

Coresource has almost completely gone local, no more on the internet other then to post meeting announcements, this comes from a lot of reason besides hearing a recent conference call of an older gentleman who had spoken about when the internet first went public his local group had one of the first patriot sites to ever go online and talked about the monthly visits from federal agents and they eventually told him that is why the internet went public was to keep track of their type of groups activities. Sure they can still track things we do, not denying that, but I am not going to make it easy on them.

Cheers and congrats to your success!

motla68
08-19-11, 04:33 AM
That post is a pleasure to read!

So far though, I am having trouble making out the images. I am especially interested in seeing the stamp sticker. If the attachments feature reduces it that much, maybe you can link through imageshack (http://imageshack.us/?no_multi=1)like I do.

Hey David, I am looking at the second image, the column on the right in the middle sort of, it says that it was not found.

David Merrill
08-19-11, 04:44 AM
I am embarrassed. The sticker is so neat, all I read was Property of the State and thought it part of the ticket/citation.




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Life's-a-Psyop
08-19-11, 02:20 PM
Happy Friday!

Thank you, David And Motla for the great feedback!

Per David's suggestion, I uploaded the images to imageshack. I use Linux and they have a nifty Linux uploader to facilitate multiple image uploads. Thanks David.

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David Merrill
08-20-11, 09:46 PM
Does anybody mind if we put the Linux on its own thread? This thread topic is more fascinating in my opinion.


Post LINUX stuff here please. (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?395-LINUX-chatter)

Life's-a-Psyop
08-21-11, 02:54 PM
I ran the same experiment for license plate tabs, and yesterday I received the typical form letter stating "you forgot to enclose your check". Well, duh!

Actually, I was expecting this same response from the parking ticket experiment.

...whatever.

motla68
08-21-11, 05:20 PM
I ran the same experiment for license plate tabs, and yesterday I received the typical form letter stating "you forgot to enclose your check". Well, duh!

Actually, I was expecting this same response from the parking ticket experiment.

...whatever.[/QUOTE]

As an executor of the estate you have to give them a little more direction then what you did on the parking ticket, not only do you say property of the state, but you ask them to deposit into the treasury for settlement and include a xerox copy of a certificate of live birth. Reason being is that it is the state that is pledging the credit, not you.

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If you do not push the issue with them they will forever call your bluff that your not really serious about what your doing.

David Merrill
08-21-11, 10:50 PM
I do not believe the birth certificate acts as an account which the Treasury can settle from.

The Testimony of Walker Todd (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6865/doc186testimonyofwalker.pdf) should be examined. Find the passage below and form your interpretation in context.

I do not believe it and am not buying it. Therefore I am just supplying you the material to evaluate it from expert witness testimony.




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Treefarmer
08-21-11, 11:08 PM
I ran the same experiment for license plate tabs, and yesterday I received the typical form letter stating "you forgot to enclose your check". Well, duh!

Actually, I was expecting this same response from the parking ticket experiment.

...whatever.

Thank you for sharing your fascinating experiments with us, Life's-a-Psyop.
This is great stuff.

May all your endeavors turn out well.

David Merrill
08-22-11, 12:27 AM
Motla68;


I have not really made the connection why you keep showing this image with various assertions.


http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=638&d=1313947038



Please explain what this certification signifies about trust law. You seem to be using it to establish some kind of executor relationship?

motla68
08-22-11, 03:23 PM
We had a couple small splinter groups in other parts of the country who had not used the lawful money language on a couple hospital presentments, one of them when was billed and refused service went back and tendered the bill back with a copy of the Certificate of Live birth, he presented it as a gift and told them the name is ward of the state, from that point on they were about falling over themselves to offer any service they could additional. He needed a triple heart bypass surgery and it was given to him and he never seen a bill after that. This was in Ohio

The other man his wife had been in the hospital because of cancer, she had died after all the treatments and they presented him with a bill of a little over a quarter million dollars. He did the same thing as the first guy did and never seen a bill again.
This was in Texas.

The reason I keep posting that is the connection I mentioned this weekend about the licensing, the hospitals are chartered by the state, the state is the one putting up the faith and credit for the name, look at it again, what do you suppose " elsewhere " means in the last sentence ?
What I am proposing here is that the hospitals were not doing business with the man, the man just had " use " of the name, the hospitals were doing business with the state, because they are licensed/chartered by the state to do business. " Usufructuary "

I know your next question is going to be for the scientific proof, but I talked these men and they do not want to put any of it on the Internet. Sorry I cannot provide, but you asked. This new text they are using for presentments attached here is the only thing they would provide:
639

replevin bond
: a bond given by a plaintiff in a replevin action to cover losses to the defendant or court officer seizing the property in the defendant's possession and transferring it to the plaintiff in the event that the plaintiff loses the case

David Merrill
08-22-11, 08:11 PM
We had a couple small splinter groups in other parts of the country who had not used the lawful money language on a couple hospital presentments, one of them when was billed and refused service went back and tendered the bill back with a copy of the Certificate of Live birth, he presented it as a gift and told them the name is ward of the state, from that point on they were about falling over themselves to offer any service they could additional. He needed a triple heart bypass surgery and it was given to him and he never seen a bill after that. This was in Ohio

The other man his wife had been in the hospital because of cancer, she had died after all the treatments and they presented him with a bill of a little over a quarter million dollars. He did the same thing as the first guy did and never seen a bill again.
This was in Texas.

The reason I keep posting that is the connection I mentioned this weekend about the licensing, the hospitals are chartered by the state, the state is the one putting up the faith and credit for the name, look at it again, what do you suppose " elsewhere " means in the last sentence ?
What I am proposing here is that the hospitals were not doing business with the man, the man just had " use " of the name, the hospitals were doing business with the state, because they are licensed/chartered by the state to do business. " Usufructuary "

I know your next question is going to be for the scientific proof, but I talked these men and they do not want to put any of it on the Internet. Sorry I cannot provide, but you asked. This new text they are using for presentments attached here is the only thing they would provide:
639

replevin bond
: a bond given by a plaintiff in a replevin action to cover losses to the defendant or court officer seizing the property in the defendant's possession and transferring it to the plaintiff in the event that the plaintiff loses the case


Actually since other members are enjoying and thanking you, I will lighten up about proof. The examples you speak of here are with hospitals and medical services coming under the penumbra of eleemysonary trust organizations.

Proof? I have a lot of examples - I think an old thread or Download - something about Inside David Merrill's Head. I don't really try to prove things over the Internet either but you might take up my lead about showing us graphic examples (http://Friends-n-Family-Research.info/FFR/Merrill_novation_ER.jpg), assuming you would like to please me.



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motla68
08-23-11, 12:45 AM
I can understand why you would cross out item #4, but not items #3 and #6 , this seems to be refusing both private and public services at the same time?

Thank you for the info on what type of trusts, will look into that more. My initial discoveries back in 03/04 were from finding something called the Hill Burton Act in which I pretty much forced the hand of a hospital to setoff a debt. The general information of this act only gives a certain exclusivity for being able to do this, BUT after reading the Act itself I found that " any " hospital receiving federal benefits must adhere to the rules when servicing indigenous peoples, a copy was provided of the Act and also a copy showing the proof to them that they did received federal benefits they did setoff the account and sent me a bill showing a 0.00 balance. I figure they just did not want to go through the hassle of dealing with that and me finding something else if it failed or something. The name has been flagged somehow because they have not billed me for any other time after that, even when I had to bring my son in a couple times.

After telling these guys what I had done and the other success we had more recently they came up with their own plan of action.

David Merrill
08-23-11, 02:53 PM
#3 is the acceptance of benefits from the hospital sharing information. I bring that back to Traditional Doctor/Patient Confidentiality.

#6 I figure that there is no need to limit the amount I should recover for damages to less than what a jury would award me. Their defense attorney would say, Look he is limited to only so much money!


I think you make trust too complicated, consistently. For one thing you are wasting your breath to try explaining the trust structure to an attorney - even if you are right. He is a professional for knowing what the trust structure is beforehand - even if he is wrong. I do not listen to you simply because you give me a headache every time I do. If I cannot understand the trust structure then it is not. I cannot trust something I do not understand.

In most instances the only trust that is there, signed by the moving party or judge presiding over the matter is the one that is signed - the Oath of Office. Therefore the entire trust structure above on the Treatment and Consent Form is what is there on the paper. Some of the agreement was disagreeable to me so I scratched it out. The charter is still in place. This particular hospital is easy to deduce to be a City owned hospital. That is to say METRO organization. But they are all within the same trust system for accepting (endorsing) the same private trust (private credit). IN GOD WE TRUST. That is why one cannot swear without resorting to the Name of God for authority within the same sentence.


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You can try messing with the readers' collective mind with your public and private descriptions but it is meaningless. The parameters are not defined by you. You do not get to set the parameters of the trust unilaterally, ever because you have to trust some other party and you don't get to tell any other party what to think beyond the agreement. Maybe some of the readers will enjoy you trying to make that distinction. The charter describes the trust, and the survey describes the boundaries.



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allodial
08-23-11, 03:40 PM
I do not believe the birth certificate acts as an account which the Treasury can settle from.

Treasury meaning US Treasury? As opposed to a State/Provincial Treasury?

State/Provincial treasury has dibs a the birth-certificate-person *UNTIL* the SI/SS numbers come into play. That is, until a Social Insurance Number or Social Security Number come into play a State/Provincial birth certificate is a purely State/Provincial item. IMHO, the Social Security Card is a (federal/US) birth certificate. If the birth-certificate-person does not get an SS# or an SI# then it might be confined to "doing business in" a particular State/Province. Why the an SS# or SI# for a driver's license? THE INTERSTATE COMPACT FEDERALIZES AND/OR INTERNATIONALIZES THE DRIVER LICENSE.

The only "Treasury" that can has direct access or any to the BC person in such a manner is probably the Treasury of the State/Province of issue. The SI# or SS# appears to "federalizes" provides an interstate/international nexus.

http://calvinmcp.nomadlife.org/hello/1542082/1024/IL_License-2006.02.14-21.07.34.jpg

Years ago I, myself pointed out that DL# = State tax ID number. It started getting around. Within six months State of Missouri and State of Illinois both revised their driver licenses to change the numbering system. Prior to the change business got a tax ID with the same number of digits as the driver license number. Hmm.


[QUOTE=motla68;4169]We had a couple small splinter groups in other parts of the country who had not used the lawful money language on a couple hospital presentments, one of them when was billed and refused service went back and tendered the bill back with a copy of the Certificate of Live birth, he presented it as a gift and told them the name is ward of the state, from that point on they were about falling over themselves to offer any service they could additional. He needed a triple heart bypass surgery and it was given to him and he never seen a bill after that. This was in Ohio.

There is a reason they bill John H. Doe rather than John Henry Doe. :)

motla68
08-23-11, 04:09 PM
David, quoting a comment from your post:

" But they are all within the same trust system for accepting (endorsing) the same private trust (private credit) "

Exactly, it is not that I am trying to make it complicated, it is that I am trying to simplifying down from it's origins the state has an ownership interest in.
As was stated before we are just " users " of that name so instead of standing in the way of the flow putting true name on something, keep it off there and just use:

X per: Birth Certificate name

I think standing in the way of the flow is what complicates things, that is a mighty force, but when you use your Executor power of the name to just redirect the flow it is much less complicated. We are just acknowledging the comment mentioned above from your post this way.

motla68
08-23-11, 04:18 PM
There is a reason they bill John H. Doe rather than John Henry Doe. :)

I do not split hares like that, for my interpretation my name is a spoken word, once it hits paper formed by ink it is something else, just a mask people put on.

Book of John chapter 1

allodial
08-23-11, 05:10 PM
I do not split hares like that, for my interpretation my name is a spoken word, once it hits paper formed by ink it is something else, just a mask people put on.

Book of John chapter 1

Splitting hairs or paying attention to detail? Perhaps you've not read a legal style manual? With USA or USSR or UK such are so well known they can be expanded out to "United States of America" or "United Kingdom". "John H. Doe" becomes "John Doe" since the "H." is indeterminate. That is..it contracts rather than expands. If one wishes to 'presume' oneself into a trap, they might welcome one with handcuffs, fines, fees or the like. Experience shows that avoiding being specific or precise in referring to the name on the Birth Certificate is intentional. Failure to pay attention to detail is why many get themselves into trouble. They are fully aware that John H Doe and John Henry Doe are two different names and two different persons.

If a sign says John Doe please report to 5th and Pine....how many John Henry' s or John Henry Doe's will merely ****presume **** (i.e. read into the sign what isn't tthere?) and show up at 5th and Pine? Initials are meaningless they do not expand in legal interpretation. The only thing subject to 'interpretation' in "John H. Doe" is the H and it drops out as meaningless. It DOES NOT expand into ANYTHING according to legal style manuals or legal interpretation rules that I've come across.

Furthermore: "John H. Doe" has a 'full stop' before "Doe".

John H.
Doe

H drops out as if an error or typo. Done. Finished. GONE.

You're left with "John. Doe." or "John Doe".

shikamaru
08-23-11, 05:14 PM
Treasury meaning US Treasury?

State/Provincial treasury has dibs on the birth certificate *UNTIL* the SI/SS numbers come into play. That is, until a Social Insurance Number or Social Security Number come into play a B/C is a purely State/Provincial item. IMHO, the Social Security Card is a (federal/US) birth certificate. If the birth-certificate-person does not get an SS# or an SI# then it might be confined to "doing business in" a particular State/Province. Why the an SSL for a driver's license? THE INTERSTATE COMPACT FEDERALIZES AND INTERNATIONALIZES THE DRIVER LICENSE.

The only "Treasury" that can has direct access or any to the BC person in such a manner is probably the Treasury of the State/Province of issue. The SI# or SS# appears to "federalizes" provides an interstate/international nexus.


Years ago I, myself pointed out that DL# = State tax ID number. It started getting around. Within six months State of Missouri and State of Illinois both revised their driver licenses to change the numbering system. Prior to the change business got a tax ID with the same number of digits as the driver license number. Hmm.

There is a reason they bill John H. Doe rather than John Henry Doe. :)

Me thinks there is great pay dirt to be extracted in States and other polities being federal beneficiaries accepting federal benefits.

Drag that into record :).

allodial
08-23-11, 06:24 PM
Me thinks there is great pay dirt to be extracted in States and other polities being federal beneficiaries accepting federal benefits.

Drag that into record :).

They avoid precisely referring to the person named on a birth certificate FOR A REASON. Create a new person...more persons to charge and extract money from? (Perhaps see also "mixed war", "judicial retirement fund", CAFR). They figure if you are stupid enough to not even know your own name that you deserve the screw-over that you might get. If they determine that the person has a high school diploma they might presume you to be a cheater and otherwise immoral if you managed to 'pass' without knowing how to read.

motla68
08-23-11, 08:11 PM
Splitting hairs or paying attention to detail? Perhaps you've not read a legal style manual? With USA or USSR or UK such are so well known they can be expanded out to "United States of America" or "United Kingdom". "John H. Doe" becomes "John Doe" since the "H." is indeterminate. That is..it contracts rather than expands. If one wishes to 'presume' oneself into a trap, they might welcome one with handcuffs, fines, fees or the like. Experience shows that avoiding being specific or precise in referring to the name on the Birth Certificate is intentional. Failure to pay attention to detail is why many get themselves into trouble. They are fully aware that John H Doe and John Henry Doe are two different names and two different persons.

If a sign says John Doe please report to 5th and Pine....how many John Henry' s or John Henry Doe's will merely ****presume **** (i.e. read into the sign what isn't tthere?) and show up at 5th and Pine? Initials are meaningless they do not expand in legal interpretation. The only thing subject to 'interpretation' in "John H. Doe" is the H and it drops out as meaningless. It DOES NOT expand into ANYTHING according to legal style manuals or legal interpretation rules that I've come across.

Furthermore: "John H. Doe" has a 'full stop' before "Doe".

John H.
Doe

H drops out as if an error or typo. Done. Finished. GONE.

You're left with "John. Doe." or "John Doe".

Maybe just taking things one step further in the right to self determination and choose to disregard the symbolism as my own. My style manual is written upon my heart, for it is only my body making owner[ship] claims upon.

allodial
08-24-11, 01:58 AM
Maybe just taking things one step further in the right to self determination and choose to disregard the symbolism as my own. My style manual is written upon my heart, for it is only my body making owner[ship] claims upon.

No doubt that your choice is yours. However, the light of truth is what it is with or without you having right of self-determination. Pointing out how "they" might interpret things is not necessarily to be construed to be an agreement that they have some universal kind of rule.

Treefarmer
08-24-11, 02:53 AM
Splitting hairs or paying attention to detail? Perhaps you've not read a legal style manual? With USA or USSR or UK such are so well known they can be expanded out to "United States of America" or "United Kingdom". "John H. Doe" becomes "John Doe" since the "H." is indeterminate. That is..it contracts rather than expands. If one wishes to 'presume' oneself into a trap, they might welcome one with handcuffs, fines, fees or the like. Experience shows that avoiding being specific or precise in referring to the name on the Birth Certificate is intentional. Failure to pay attention to detail is why many get themselves into trouble. They are fully aware that John H Doe and John Henry Doe are two different names and two different persons.

If a sign says John Doe please report to 5th and Pine....how many John Henry' s or John Henry Doe's will merely ****presume **** (i.e. read into the sign what isn't tthere?) and show up at 5th and Pine? Initials are meaningless they do not expand in legal interpretation. The only thing subject to 'interpretation' in "John H. Doe" is the H and it drops out as meaningless. It DOES NOT expand into ANYTHING according to legal style manuals or legal interpretation rules that I've come across.

Furthermore: "John H. Doe" has a 'full stop' before "Doe".

John H.
Doe

H drops out as if an error or typo. Done. Finished. GONE.

You're left with "John. Doe." or "John Doe".

So what does this mean in terms of everyday reality encounters?
Where the rubber meets the road, what's the meaning of using a middle name, versus a middle initial, versus FIRST LAST only?
Would you give us a descriptive example please?
It always helps my comprehension when I can form a picture in my head, even if it's only a hypothetical scenario.
Thank you.

allodial
08-24-11, 04:34 AM
So what does this mean in terms of everyday reality encounters?
Where the rubber meets the road, what's the meaning of using a middle name, versus a middle initial, versus FIRST LAST only?
Would you give us a descriptive example please?
It always helps my comprehension when I can form a picture in my head, even if it's only a hypothetical scenario.
Thank you.

Does UK's Queen Elizabeth have a last name? But when Elizabeth of the House & Family of Windsor took a job as an ambulance driver she had a last name. One known as "Prince William" didnt have a last name until he joined the UK military. Gee...wonder why. Sovereign's don't have last names since they are not public servants. That is why 'sovereign citizens' are regarded as being crackpots claiming to be sovereign while claiming to have a 'last name'. Make sense?

If John Walter Smith is tax exempt does that mean that John Smith is tax exempt? It just takes a bit of grammatical maturity to figure out what been going on...lack of knowledge, ignorance. Simple failure to pay attention to detail. Basic, fundamental grammar.

Is "water pump" the same as "water, pump"? Is "pump, water" the same as "pump water"?

Then why on Earth would ***anyone**** draw the conclusion of:


Roberts, James K. being the same as James K. Roberts
James K. Roberts being the same as Robert Kevin James.

You dont think that "they" laugh hysterically (at least on the inside) at people they might regard as being too stupid to know their own names?



So, for perspective perhaps for every single piece of mail, imagine a hook and a strong piece of wire attached. That is the kind of prayerfulness and caution some people dont seem to want to be bothered to approach or live their lives with.

I was working as an estate manager for someone, and when I got mail that was directed at say, Roger P. Waters, I wrote back saying that as Trustee for Roger Paul Waters, I could assist with the matter and would gladly see to it that it was paid but they would have to be specific as to the person they were intending to contact otherwise it was too ambiguous. Of course I'd send the mail back too refused/voided or whatever. Even one time I wrote wrote that likely they all had high school education and could at least comprehend basic grammar--that I would gladly utilize my POA to settle but they would have to correct their mail. NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN!!!

Treefarmer
08-24-11, 06:29 PM
Does UK's Queen Elizabeth have a last name? But when Elizabeth of the House & Family of Windsor took a job as an ambulance driver she had a last name. One known as "Prince William" didnt have a last name until he joined the UK military. Gee...wonder why. Sovereign's don't have last names since they are not public servants. That is why 'sovereign citizens' are regarded as being crackpots claiming to be sovereign while claiming to have a 'last name'. Make sense?

If John Walter Smith is tax exempt does that mean that John Smith is tax exempt? It just takes a bit of grammatical maturity to figure out what been going on...lack of knowledge, ignorance. Simple failure to pay attention to detail. Basic, fundamental grammar.

Is "water pump" the same as "water, pump"? Is "pump, water" the same as "pump water"?

Then why on Earth would ***anyone**** draw the conclusion of:


Roberts, James K. being the same as James K. Roberts
James K. Roberts being the same as Robert Kevin James.

You dont think that "they" laugh hysterically (at least on the inside) at people they might regard as being too stupid to know their own names?



So, for perspective perhaps for every single piece of mail, imagine a hook and a strong piece of wire attached. That is the kind of prayerfulness and caution some people dont seem to want to be bothered to approach or live their lives with.

I was working as an estate manager for someone, and when I got mail that was directed at say, Roger P. Waters, I wrote back saying that as Trustee for Roger Paul Waters, I could assist with the matter and would gladly see to it that it was paid but they would have to be specific as to the person they were intending to contact otherwise it was too ambiguous. Of course I'd send the mail back too refused/voided or whatever. Even one time I wrote wrote that likely they all had high school education and could at least comprehend basic grammar--that I would gladly utilize my POA to settle but they would have to correct their mail. NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN!!!

Thank you allodial, for these excellent examples.
I think I see the point you were making now, about the style.
I also notice details and I remember many instances in my younger years when people in authority positions put me down for pointing out such small discrepancies and irregularities and asking questions about it. These were doctors and bureaucrats who all had vested interests in me not discovering their con games.

AllanNR
08-24-11, 08:14 PM
Hi all,
can this remedy be used after having the case adjourned in court to a later date?

allodial
08-25-11, 01:03 AM
These were doctors and bureaucrats who all had vested interests in me not discovering their con games.

Bingo. They would probably prefer if you didn't pay attention to detail.

AllanNR
08-26-11, 11:17 PM
is anyone capable of answering my question?

motla68
08-27-11, 01:40 AM
is anyone capable of answering my question?

A mistake can be corrected at any time, so why worry about it?:

http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/html/crim/crim18.htm

Good education is about the experience, not some scripted goal manifested by the public school system.

AllanNR
08-27-11, 03:03 AM
A mistake can be corrected at any time, so why worry about it?:

http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/html/crim/crim18.htm

Good education is about the experience, not some scripted goal manifested by the public school system.

well this is what went down

I went there on the scheduled date.
Prosecutor sits me down and offers me a plea deal.
I tell him that it is my intention to settle this matter honorably and that Im fully aware that pleadings perfect jurisdiction.
He tells me that I am taking up way too much of his time when I had only been sitting there 30 seconds.
Asks me if Im going to take the plea deal or not, I give him a look and before I can say anything he crumples up the agreement and chucks it in the garbage and says in an angry tone, "We will go to trial".
I get up and walk out, I wait to see the "judge", ask her the question about pleading perfecting jurisdiction to which she replies negatively by saying that my getting a ticket in that town is what gives the court jurisdiction. I then ask if the court is ready to come forward with a competent fact witness to which she replies, with a smirk "this is not a civil case". She then says this case will be adjourned so the officer can be called in to testify. I reply that the officer cannot be a competent fact witness because he is acting as a third party. she ignores this and keeps insisting that the case be adjourned. Then proceeds to tell me that she would be entering a not guilty plea for me, to which I object by saying that I haven't plead to this court. She replies that I dont have to and keeps saying have a good day. At that point I just turned around and walked out. Now I have a notice for a month from now to appear for this trial.

thoughts?

David Merrill
08-27-11, 09:40 AM
Refuse the Notice for cause timely (72 hours). You best have an evidence repository in the USDC. Then show up at the hearing and ask if the R4C is in the record. You are here to help settle the matter honorably and wish to avoid any fraud upon the court.

However you got a ticket and your driver license, if it identified you by the legal name to be trustee will stand. So you will only have a little window after conviction where you get allocution. You get to speak on the record when the judge asks, Do you have anything to say before I execute this sentence?

The driver license functions as about $250 Bail Bond. Showing it is the reason you were not jailed until you can scrape up the bail bond. It was presumed to be worth about $250 to you to have evidence you get that privilege from the State.

Otherwise, the county court judge is basically allowed to practice law from the bench. Ergo she took power of attorney on the driver license identification. Therefore renew your driver license, sign it First Middle only. When you hand it to an officer specify, I am not showing you this for identification purposes. My name is First Middle like you see there.

Plead out, likely the DA is bluffing with that puffy display. They want you to get out of their face. Learn about identity, record-forming and redeeming lawful money. Then this sort of thing will never get to court unless you are caught red-handed stealing or whatever.



Regards,

David Merrill.

AllanNR
08-27-11, 12:15 PM
so i guess you're saying im screwed and just have to take this one?
what would happen if I put the redemption verbiage on these tickets and mailed them back to the court via certified mail?

David Merrill
08-27-11, 01:35 PM
Claim fraud by omission. Blame the bank tellers, your civics teachers, parents etc. File a counterclaim, maybe in the same case file. Stuff like that.

You can try all sorts of stuff. My point was that you are headed down the path you are for a reason. It is never too late to start.

When I was inexperienced the judge convicted me, sentenced me and then for no reason left the courtroom. She came back and remanded me to jail for 120 days. I was to conclude business and leave but the courtroom was full of deputies. If I had only known what I do now I would have tried it. I still think the deputies would have stopped me from leaving though. It would not have been on the record but it was so late, and under the circumstances they had snipers on the rooftops to protect the jurors. They still keep an armed escort on me every time I am in the courthouse, at all times.

AllanNR
08-27-11, 03:09 PM
Claim fraud by omission. Blame the bank tellers, your civics teachers, parents etc. File a counterclaim, maybe in the same case file. Stuff like that.

You can try all sorts of stuff. My point was that you are headed down the path you are for a reason. It is never too late to start.

When I was inexperienced the judge convicted me, sentenced me and then for no reason left the courtroom. She came back and remanded me to jail for 120 days. I was to conclude business and leave but the courtroom was full of deputies. If I had only known what I do now I would have tried it. I still think the deputies would have stopped me from leaving though. It would not have been on the record but it was so late, and under the circumstances they had snipers on the rooftops to protect the jurors. They still keep an armed escort on me every time I am in the courthouse, at all times.

thanks for your time David but you have to bear with me as I understand some concepts about what they have done with the american legal system but some of the stuff you say is still a little cryptic to me. Like for instance omission of what?

If I make a "reservation of my rights" before this court can I then compell the court to produce an injured party? I have had some success with this approach of reserving my rights as my impression is they are weary of opening the whole can of worms in open court. If for instance the judge were to then comeback at me with my agreement to be licensed by the state to drive an automobile, would I then claim fraud by omission (of?) or declare to the court that I am redeeming federal reserve notes in the form of these tickets? I need to fill in the gaps of how it all ties together.
thanks

David Merrill
08-27-11, 08:09 PM
I am presuming that you have and showed a current driver license signed in the conventional legal name fashion. That is where you set the stage. Fraud by omission is that nobody taught you about redeeming lawful money. That would keep you clear of any obvious contract with the Department of Revenue. Your driver license was issued by the Department of Revenue. It is based in the SSN on account and that is where these charges arise. You are subject by contract and the People of the State of XXXXX have been injured. You have offended the Peace and Dignity of the People.

If you had identified yourself correctly the police officer would have given you back your card and no written material, not even a written warning. Or he would have gotten angry, If you don't identify yourself I am hauling you in! So you say, I am identifying myself to be First Middle, like my signature on the Card. Then you have to abate for misnomer when the case is assigned.

The only reason that I am suggesting you plead out is that you need to get yourself proactive before you misidentify yourself. You were tried beside the road basically. You might have plead guilty and accepted the sentence quickly but you paid a $250 bail bond by having a driver license and now you can have a trial before a judge to see if the law and facts are agreeable to your agreement to be the legal entity on the card. You agreed to abide by the laws of the State of XXXXXXX in order to even get the card in your possession.




Regards,

David Merrill.

Brian
08-27-11, 08:51 PM
David, quick clarification. When signing the DL, would you recommend signing "John Henry" and that's it? Or "DOE. John Henry"? I only ask because mine is coming due for renewal next month.
The later involves the "NAME" and thats what we are trying to avoid correct? Confusion of the man with the entity.

David Merrill
08-27-11, 10:23 PM
We are not trying to avoid legal responsibility. So sign John Henry easy and clearly to read. The objective is to retain your right of refusal to become the JOHN HENRY DOE. Misnomer (http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7294/misnomer.jpg)is ground for a successful abatement. The clerk of court though, might correct the name on the case. - Doubtful. At least it has never happened that I am aware of.

Possibly you will just be tagged the man who was operating the motor vehicle. That seems to be what has happened to you so far anyway.

Between identity, record-forming and redeeming lawful money one might learn about the inherent trust structures. In your current case you might explore your state constitution for where the judge's oath of office is to be available. If he has a proper oath there, fine. If not get a Certificate of Fact that he does not. Get that Monday and show us please. Also the DA. His oath is likely at the Secretary of State and they can email it back to you but you have to send them a couple bucks for a certified copy in the mail.

If the judge is prosecuting you from a vacant office then it is voluntary. Tell him that when you signed for your driver license you did not agree to that part - that a non-judge from a vacant office could preside over any disputes. If the DA is running a vacant office you will likely hear nothing more about it because all prosecutions are invalid and all the convictions are reversible if he does not get that fixed right away (http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/4203/peoplevscott2004.pdf). They will probably waive the minor offense from the fellow who was so civic-minded as to correct the matter. There is one paragraph that seems to justify running a faulty Oath:


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9163/scottallselective.jpg

But think about that. For the People to consent, the people would have to be aware. Just having the oaths available, or lack of oaths available does not comprise consent. The People would have to be aware that an official is ignoring the constitution and statute to consent to it and people (People) never would. The People would insist he go through the trouble to honor the constitution and statute.



Regards,

David Merrill.

allodial
08-27-11, 11:14 PM
We are not trying to avoid legal responsibility. So sign John Henry easy and clearly to read. The objective is to retain your right of refusal to become the JOHN HENRY DOE. Misnomer (http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7294/misnomer.jpg)is ground for a successful abatement. The clerk of court though, might correct the name on the case. - Doubtful. At least it has never happened that I am aware of.

On one hand consider that merely writing/signing under the legal entity could be construed to be accommodation party for it. However, nonetheless, even so they would still have to specifically refer to the accommodation party by name, no? I'd tend to prefer "John Henry for the parties" or "John Henry, as Secured Party" or the like and simply administer the estate competently without being the estate. If they set out to force you to be the estate its federal felony.

David Merrill
08-27-11, 11:36 PM
On one hand consider that merely writing/signing under the legal entity could be construed to be accommodation party for it. However, nonetheless, even so they would still have to specifically refer to the accommodation party by name, no? I'd tend to prefer "John Henry for the parties" or "John Henry, as Secured Party" or the like and simply administer the estate competently without being the estate. If they set out to force you to be the estate its federal felony.




Forgery in fact. Thanks!!

allodial
08-28-11, 12:11 AM
Forgery in fact. Thanks!!

You go it! Forgery, involuntary servitude, conspiracy against rights, manstealing/kidnapping, fraud. And if their reports are falsified its a crime to for them to enter false records into federal computers.

David Merrill
08-28-11, 12:24 AM
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9098/complaintformfederal.pdf

EZrhythm
09-02-11, 06:33 AM
I and others have signed their driver license only, "Without Prejudice". I stopped utilizing it before I had been stopped but others have had their license handed back to them with, "Have a nice day!" and others have had their matter out right dismissed in court because of the indorsement. "Under Duress" is just as effective. Search, UCC 1-308.