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Frederick Burrell
08-28-11, 12:01 PM
I thought this juicy morsel might be nice to know. Your thoughts


U.C.C. - ARTICLE 9 - SECURED TRANSACTIONS; SALES OF ACCOUNTS AND CHATTEL PAPER

PART 1. SHORT TITLE, APPLICABILITY AND DEFINITIONS
§ 9-109. Classification of Goods: “Consumer Goods”; “Equipment”; “Farm Products”; “Inventory”.
Goods are

(1) “consumer goods” if they are used or bought for use primarily for personal, family or household purposes;

(2) “equipment” if they are used or bought for use primarily in business (including farming or a profession) or by a debtor who is a non-profit organization or a governmental subdivision or agency or if the goods are not included in the definitions of inventory, farm products or consumer goods;

Relevant applicable stare decisis case cites relating directly to UCC 9-109:

“Under UCC §9-109 there is a real distinction between goods purchased for personal use and those purchased for business use. The two are mutually exclusive and the principal use to which the property is put should be considered as determinative.” James Talcott, Inc. v Gee, 5 UCC Rep Serv 1028; 266 Cal.App.2d 384, 72 Cal.Rptr. 168 (1968).

“The classification of goods in UCC §9-109 are mutually exclusive.” McFadden v Mercantile-Safe Deposit & Trust Co., 8 UCC Rep Serv 766; 260 Md 601, 273 A.2d 198 (1971).

“Automobile purchased for the purpose of transporting buyer to and from his place of employment was ``consumer goods'' as defined in UCC §9-109.” Mallicoat v Volunteer Finance & Loan Corp., 3 UCC Rep Serv 1035; 415 S.W.2d 347 (Tenn. App., 1966).

“The provisions of UCC §2-316 of the Maryland UCC do not apply to sales of consumer goods (a term which includes automobiles, whether new or used, that are bought primarily for personal, family, or household use).” Maryland Independent Automobile Dealers Assoc., Inc. v Administrator, Motor Vehicle Admin., 25 UCC Rep Serv 699; 394 A.2d 820, 41 Md App 7 (1978).

Federal Case Law Confirms

IN RE BARNES
United States District Court,
D Maine, September 15, 1972
Bankruptcy No. BK 72-129ND, No. EK 72-13OND

[9109] Consumer goods - automobile for transportation to and from work.

The use of a vehicle by its owner for purposes of traveling to and from his employment is a personal, as opposed to a business use, as that term is used in UCC § 9-109(l), and the vehicle will be classified as consumer goods rather than equipment.

The phraseology of § 9-109(2) defining equipment as goods used or bought for use primarily in business seems to contemplate a distinction between the use of collateral “in business” and the mere use of the collateral for some commercial, economic or income-producing purpose by one not engaged “in business.”

The appropriate filing place turns upon the classification of the collateral as consumer goods or equipment. The Uniform Commercial Code classifies goods as consumer goods

“. . . if they are used or bought for use primarily for personal, family or household purposes. (2). Fn (2) 11 MRSA § 9-109(1).

It is the court's opinion that the use of a vehicle by its owner for purposes of traveling to and from his employment is a “personal,” as opposed to a business use, as that term is used in UCC § 9-109 (1). The phraseology of UCC § 9-109 (2), defining “equipment” as goods used or bought for use primarily “in business” seems to contemplate a distinction between the use of collateral “in business,” and the mere use of the collateral for some commercial, economic or income-producing purpose by one not engaged “in business.”

Traveling to and from work is a PERSONAL use NOT a BUSINESS use!

This ruling is consistent with the undisputed fact that “The classification of goods is determined by its primary use” (Barron’s Law Dictionary, Third Edition, 1991) and not by the type of goods, including, but not limited to, vehicles:

CONSUMER GOODS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED!

“A vehicle not used for commercial activity is a “consumer goods”, . . . it is NOT a type of vehicle required to be registered and “use tax” paid of which the tab is evidence of receipt of the tax.” Bank of Boston v. Jones, 4 UCC Rep. Serv. 1021, 236 A2d 484, UCC PP 9-109.14.

“Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put rather than according to the means by which they are propelled.” Ex Parte Hoffert, 148 NW 20.

“The Supreme Court, in Arthur v. Morgan, 112 U.S. 495, 5 S.Ct. 241, 28 L.Ed. 825, held that carriages were properly classified as household effects, and we see no reason that automobiles should not be similarly disposed of.” Hillhouse v United States, 152 F. 163, 164 (2nd Cir. 1907).

“A soldier's personal automobile is part of his “household goods[.]” U.S. v Bomar, C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235” 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West) pocket part 94.

“... [T]he exemptions provided for in section 1 of the Motor Vehicle Transportation License Act of 1925 (Stats. 1925, p. 833) in favor of those who solely transport their own property or employees, or both, and of those who transport no persons or property for hire or compensation, by motor vehicle, have been determined in the Bacon Service Corporation case to be lawful exemptions. --In re Schmolke (1926) 199 Cal. 42, 46.

“The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty.... It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which the city may permit or prohibit at will.” --Thompson v. Smith, 154 S.E. 579.

“In view of this rule a statutory provision that the supervising officials “may” exempt such persons when the transportation is not on a commercial basis means that they “must” exempt them.” --State v. Johnson, 243 P. 1073; 60 C.J.S. section 94, page 581.
fB

EZrhythm
08-29-11, 06:38 AM
GREAT POST! I am well aware that consumer good are not required to be registered as I have been traveling with a plate that states that very thing for quite a while.641

Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

October 2010, 3:30 AM, suburban area with a population around 2,000,000.

I had pulled up to a four way intersection with traffic signals. I chose the left-turn-only lane and facing directly across from me was a city officer waiting for the light to make his turn. His turn comes up first and my friend and I watch him proceed to make a left and then a right in to a parking lot next to us. I was thinking that maybe he noticed that there isn’t a front plate on my car, looking for an excuse to initiate a stop and wants to wait to see what I do.
Upon my green arrow I completed a “U” and then a quick right to the corner gas station.
My friend walks over to the convenience store next to the gas station and I soon moved the car over to the store’s lot to catch up with him.
While on my way in to the store, my friend is finishing up at the register then heads out the door. During my perusal of beverages I didn’t notice that a second officer has arrived on the “scene” probably after some communication with the first officer. The second officer apparently has now noticed my 'PRIVATE PROPERTY' plate (Photo file attached) on the rear of the car and approaches my friend who is waiting for me outside next to the car. The officer asks him, how he got here and if he is with “the guy”, referencing to the one who was previously “driving” the car. My friend affirms to the officer.
After I am done at the register and walk to the door, the second officer opens the door for me and asks if I have any registration papers for the car.
I tell him that I do not and that the title has been “junked”.
He asks me if I think that I should have the car registered.
I tell him, “No” and he asks me, “Why not?”
I let him know, “Not for traveling to the store. I’m not ‘in commerce’.”
He then asks me if I am one of those who thinks you don't need to register.
I replied, “No… Unless I am ‘in commerce’.”

And then he begins to enter the store and says,

“It’s good. Don’t worry about it. I am not even going to #&$% with you. Have a good night.”

My friend says that he wouldn’t have believed it if he hadn’t seen it.
I may have to agree with him.

Frederick Burrell
08-29-11, 11:11 AM
Great post EZrhythm. It seems I will giving it a try soon, as soon as I return to the states, as I turned in my plates when I left.

What did you make your plate out of looks good. fB

EZrhythm
08-29-11, 07:58 PM
Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 02:07 AM
Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

Nice!
I really appreciate this thread.

I've been thinking on this license issue for years now.
Government "licenses" for common right activities have always chafed me.

What about liability though?
What is your contingency plan if you were to injure someone with your automobile EZrythm?
Do you have any kind of insurance or other way of being able to make good if you accidentally inflict damage on the public roads?

Thank you

allodial
08-30-11, 02:09 AM
642

A sample USDOT # decal for front and rear of an automobile.

643
Another.

Sample database snapshot fragments:


LEGAL NAME:
SCHMIDT FAMILY TRUST

PHYSICAL ADDRESS:
PRIVATE 22 MAPLE LANE
NEAR SCHENECTADY, NEW YORK 12345

OPERATING CLASSIFICATION
[X] PRIVATE (PROPERTY)
[X] OTHER: EXEMPT, NOT FOR HIRE

CARRIER OPERATION
[X] INTERSTATE

CARGO CARRIED:
[X] OTHER: NO CARGO.

The information is searchable planet-wide via the Interweb (http://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/CompanySnapshot.aspx). Law enforcement access is via FMSCA Portal https://portal.fmcsa.dot.gov/EAALogin.form. More information about FCMSA Portal here (https://portal.fmcsa.dot.gov/training/index.htm).

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 02:21 AM
Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

allodial
08-30-11, 02:26 AM
Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation is a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

The USDOT # is not necessarily particular for any particular vehicle unless perhaps its for a vehicle registrant. Its comprehensive for an entire organization. 'Vehicle registration' is also available. It is possible, however, to use the VIN for the legal name. :)

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 02:26 AM
Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

October 2010, 3:30 AM, suburban area with a population around 2,000,000.

I had pulled up to a four way intersection with traffic signals. I chose the left-turn-only lane and facing directly across from me was a city officer waiting for the light to make his turn. His turn comes up first and my friend and I watch him proceed to make a left and then a right in to a parking lot next to us. I was thinking that maybe he noticed that there isn’t a front plate on my car, looking for an excuse to initiate a stop and wants to wait to see what I do.
Upon my green arrow I completed a “U” and then a quick right to the corner gas station.
My friend walks over to the convenience store next to the gas station and I soon moved the car over to the store’s lot to catch up with him.
While on my way in to the store, my friend is finishing up at the register then heads out the door. During my perusal of beverages I didn’t notice that a second officer has arrived on the “scene” probably after some communication with the first officer. The second officer apparently has now noticed my 'PRIVATE PROPERTY' plate (Photo file attached) on the rear of the car and approaches my friend who is waiting for me outside next to the car. The officer asks him, how he got here and if he is with “the guy”, referencing to the one who was previously “driving” the car. My friend affirms to the officer.
After I am done at the register and walk to the door, the second officer opens the door for me and asks if I have any registration papers for the car.
I tell him that I do not and that the title has been “junked”.
He asks me if I think that I should have the car registered.
I tell him, “No” and he asks me, “Why not?”
I let him know, “Not for traveling to the store. I’m not ‘in commerce’.”
He then asks me if I am one of those who thinks you don't need to register.
I replied, “No… Unless I am ‘in commerce’.”

And then he begins to enter the store and says,

“It’s good. Don’t worry about it. I am not even going to #&$% with you. Have a good night.”

My friend says that he wouldn’t have believed it if he hadn’t seen it.
I may have to agree with him.

I'm amazed they did not demand to see your DL.
That's always the first thing that cops ask for around here.
I suppose you carry no DL when you travel EZrythm?

allodial
08-30-11, 02:31 AM
I'm amazed they did not demand to see your DL.
That's always the first thing that cops ask for around here.
I suppose you carry no DL when you travel EZrythm?

The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car? :)

Resident != private. Not domestic != State or Federal.

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 02:39 AM
AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

I just went to the DOT website (http://www.dot.gov/about.html).
Curiously they don't say much about themselves and don't even specify which United States they serve.
But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies (http://www.dot.gov/DOTagencies.htm).

allodial
08-30-11, 02:57 AM
I just went to the DOT website (http://www.dot.gov/about.html).
Curiously they don't say much about themselves and don't even specify which United States they serve.
But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies (http://www.dot.gov/DOTagencies.htm).

U.S. Department of Transportation works with US Coast Guard and is under the U.S.' Secretary of Transportation. USDOT is over both the FAA and the TSA. The office of the U.S.' Secretary of Transportation is a 'cabinet position' along with the U.S. Postmaster General.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Ray_LaHood_official_portrait.jpg/220px-Ray_LaHood_official_portrait.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/US-DeptOfTransportation-Seal.svg (http://www.dot.gov/)


The United States Secretary of Transportation is the head of the United States Department of Transportation, a member of the President's Cabinet, and fourteenth in the Presidential line of succession.[1] The post was created with the formation of the Department of Transportation on October 15, 1966, by President Lyndon B. Johnson's signing of the Department of Transportation Act.[2] The Department's mission is "to develop and coordinate policies that will provide an efficient and economical national transportation system, with due regard for need, the environment, and the national defense."[2] The Secretary of Transportation oversees eleven agencies, including the Federal Aviation Administration, the Federal Highway Administration, and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.[2] In April 2008, Mary Peters launched the official blog of the Secretary of Transportation called The Fast Lane.[3] (Wikipedia)


But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies (http://www.dot.gov/DOTagencies.htm).

Thusly, the USDOT # is issued by the organization that run the FAA and apparently used to run the TSA until March 25, 2003. Apparently the U.S. Coast Guard was transferred to the US Department of Transportation in 1967 and to the DHS in 2003.

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 03:01 AM
The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car? :)

So, to recap what we have discussed here and elsewhere previously:
We are led to believe by parents, schools, lawyers, clergy, and certain government employees that we must "register" our automobiles with the State DMV or County as the case may be, at which point we have to pay taxes for the privilege, and we receive a "Certificate of Title" in return and a registration plate which has to be renewed every year, at a cost.
Then we need to apply for a DL in order to "drive" our "vehicle."
We also have to have insurance for each of our "vehicles" which is just money down the drain for most of us. (It's nice to have when you actually need it and the insurance company makes good on a claim, which doesn't always happen of course).

But all this is really unnecessary if one wants to travel for private purposes, not transporting paying "passengers" or "cargo" or for any other commercial purpose?
What about accident liability?
What are the options for handling claims arising from accidental collisions and such, in a private setting?

Treefarmer
08-30-11, 03:05 AM
DOT website (http://www.dot.gov/citizen_services/index.html) says:

"Coast Guard and Transportation Security Agency have transferred to the Department of Homeland Security. Older press releases may be found by searching the archives. "

allodial
08-30-11, 03:20 AM
So, to recap what we have discussed here and elsewhere previously:
We are led to believe by parents, schools, lawyers, clergy, and certain government employees that we must "register" our automobiles with the State DMV or County as the case may be, at which point we have to pay taxes for the privilege, and we receive a "Certificate of Title" in return and a registration plate which has to be renewed every year, at a cost.
Then we need to apply for a DL in order to "drive" our "vehicle."
We also have to have insurance for each of our "vehicles" which is just money down the drain for most of us. (It's nice to have when you actually need it and the insurance company makes good on a claim, which doesn't always happen of course).

But all this is really unnecessary if one wants to travel for private purposes, not transporting paying "passengers" or "cargo" or for any other commercial purpose?
What about accident liability?
What are the options for handling claims arising from accidental collisions and such, in a private setting?

Keep in mind as to the variations between one circumstance and another. Are you a resident of any State of the United States? Are you a public citizen of any State of the United States? Is a 'vehicle' still 'attached' to a car note? Is the automobile paid for? How has the State-level registration been dealt with, if any?

As for 'financial responsibility' there a variety of insurance /bonding options available. Afterall, Interstate trucking companies have insurance/bonds no? If you do a random search on the USDOT website, you should be able to find insurance and bonding records associated with most any given USDOT #.

http://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/pkg_carrquery.prc_carrlist

When a 'motor vehicle' is under a car note, so to speak, its likely deemed to be under a lease until its paid off. The so-called 'lender' owns the car. If the lender is a public company like GMAC or w/e...go figure. The insurance required of you is perhaps for protecting GMAC *not you*. Once the note is paid GMAC's lien comes off the title, perhaps at that point there isn't even any need for a State title. :) Does the State tell you this? Well why would they tell you that and lose out on $$$$$$$$$$$$$? The GMAC folks want you to have State tags so that they can easily find the 'vehicle' easily. If you take the plates off a car with a note on it, they might assume that you are out to commit larceny. Not a good idea, eh? Now if you want the service of having your automobile protected by the State, perhaps you need to make it State property at least partially? :) However, if you don't want that service....

I've talked with 'DMV heads' and was told that if a car is being sold or xferred to a state/country where registration isn't required, a notice of the sale would suffice to the DMV. :) Of course, if the 'address' of the "owner" is something like 100 MAIN ST, SCHENECTADY, NY 12345 perhaps that's a lot different situation than for an address of, say: private 100 Main street, near Chicago, Illinois not domestic? A city is public no?

The point is to obviate that there are or can be various layers to all of this.

Frederick Burrell
08-30-11, 09:52 AM
The insurance issue is one that seems to come up often in regards traveling, I can remember a time when it wasn't required and we all seemed to survive. Having said that the choice to insure your car or not should be an individual matter. Many would disagree with this statement. I have at various times driven with and without insurance. If all other things were not required I feel that having insurnce would be a plus. The DOT issue is and interesting one but one which I find is unnecessary and only further clouds many issues in regards freeing oneself from contractual obligations with the government..... fB

allodial
08-30-11, 03:02 PM
The DOT issue is and interesting one but one which I find is unnecessary and only further clouds many issues in regards freeing oneself from contractual obligations with the government..... fB

Not sure how it clouds anything when done right. Having a U.S. Federal/Cabinet-level, "law-enforcement"-searchable record that shows "exempt" and "not commercial" clouds how?

Mark Christopher
08-30-11, 08:37 PM
Great thread fB. I get what you are saying with the UCC and various court decisions. I dont comprehend the USDOT idea allodial brought up. I went to their site and it really seems that it is for commerce only. I think this is where the use of a trust would come in very handy. Now that I look back allodial does have the name of a trust on the id tag. Allodial, how would that be structured would be nice to know.

Salve sis

allodial
08-30-11, 08:54 PM
Great thread fB. I get what you are saying with the UCC and various court decisions. I dont comprehend the USDOT idea allodial brought up. I went to their site and it really seems that it is for commerce only. I think this is where the use of a trust would come in very handy. Now that I look back allodial does have the name of a trust on the id tag. Allodial, how would that be structured would be nice to know.

Salve sis

Keep in mind that State DL and tags carry a commercial presumption. Where is easily accessible search for LEOs or others so they can determine that its really just for informational rather then commercial? Likely you could complete a DL application in a similar manner. But the USDOT provides a remedy. The key is REMEDY. You arent actually doing anything commercial. You are using it for REMEDY not for commerce. One can clarify the intent by sending supporting document, cover letter or the like to the US Secretary of Transportation or to the Chief Counsel of the USDOT.

Key terms: not for hire, not commercial, private, not domestic, no cargo.

Treefarmer
08-31-11, 02:57 AM
Keep in mind that State DL and tags carry a commercial presumption. Where is easily accessible search for LEOs or others so they can determine that its really just for informational rather then commercial? Likely you could complete a DL application in a similar manner. But the USDOT provides a remedy. The key is REMEDY. You arent actually doing anything commercial. You are using it for REMEDY not for commerce. One can clarify the intent by sending supporting document, cover letter or the like to the US Secretary of Transportation or to the Chief Counsel of the USDOT.

Key terms: not for hire, not commercial, private, not domestic, no cargo.

Thank you for all the info allodial.
Definitely something to think about, especially as the economy collapses further. Traveling may become more difficult in the future.
Luckily it is still relatively easy and borderline affordable to keep DL, tags and insurance around here, on our old clunkers anyways. They were all bought with cash long ago; we have no credit rating, never having bought anything on credit.

Is it necessary to have some family trust structure in place in order to go this route with the DOT # for the cars?

Frederick Burrell
08-31-11, 03:02 AM
Keep in mind that State DL and tags carry a commercial presumption. Where is easily accessible search for LEOs or others so they can determine that its really just for informational rather then commercial? Likely you could complete a DL application in a similar manner. But the USDOT provides a remedy. The key is REMEDY. You arent actually doing anything commercial. You are using it for REMEDY not for commerce. One can clarify the intent by sending supporting document, cover letter or the like to the US Secretary of Transportation or to the Chief Counsel of the USDOT.

Key terms: not for hire, not commercial, private, not domestic, no cargo.

While I understand that this would document your status, I feel it just moves you out of one jurisdiction of the government into another. You are agreeing to contract with this jurisdiction and that could prejudice other claims you have made as to your status. If athis works for you than I have no problem with it, but it is not a step I would wish to take. There are other less binding ways to afirm your status through noticing and your repository. fB

David Merrill
08-31-11, 04:03 AM
Everything indicates that if you apply for this USDOT registration, you are impersonating a US employee. I can see something in the idea that an original right to travel, should it exist at all would be for all America so you might have the interstate aspect to it. But it sounds as if while you may be successful at having USDOT markers instead of license plates on your private vehicle, that you are getting the privilege of insurance which is only for government employees to enjoy. It sounds very dangerous to impersonate a government employee to get free insurance coverage, especially after an accident where you need to file a claim.

Frederick Burrell
08-31-11, 04:33 AM
Yes David, this is another point that needs to be taken into consideration. Thanks for bringing to our attention. What do you think about the UCC code itself in regards to not having to register consumer goods etc. fB

allodial
08-31-11, 04:37 PM
Everything indicates that if you apply for this USDOT registration, you are impersonating a US employee. I can see something in the idea that an original right to travel, should it exist at all would be for all America so you might have the interstate aspect to it. But it sounds as if while you may be successful at having USDOT markers instead of license plates on your private vehicle, that you are getting the privilege of insurance which is only for government employees to enjoy. It sounds very dangerous to impersonate a government employee to get free insurance coverage, especially after an accident where you need to file a claim.

Very good points which I've weighed and considered. However, I'm unaware of any free insurance available with a USDOT #. The insurance or bonding is something that you arrange. Furthermore, a 'naked' or 'plain' application for a USDOT # is not suggested. It would be important to make your reservations or notices to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Government employee AFIK are not private they are public or residential (perhaps 'special agents' are an exception?). To make it clear that one is only getting the USDOT # for informational purposes would be upon the "applicant" or "demandant". USDOT staff 'get it'.

http://www.olavsplates.com/foto_u/usa-dos_043pkd.jpg

There are other alternatives one of which "EZ" has alluded to.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=153&d=1300589873

The above scan alludes to the other issues when dealing with folks at the level of any of the 50 District-States each of which are to knowledge creatures of the United States since around 1862 to 1871.

This gets to: what's the difference between getting a USDOT # with an SSN and getting a driver license and signing John Henry under DOE JOHN H 10 XYZ LN DENVER CO 12345? Afterall, that's a State employee (the DL # is akin to an State tax ID).

The point is that its probably a LOT easier to bond privately with the U.S. Department of Transportation than it might be with a State DMV racket. :) To get insurance or bonding for a USDOT # one has to go to an insurance carrier or arrange it oneself (hint: bonding can be private).

Remember, US Goverment employees have "U.S. GOVERNMENT" on their tags *NOT* "UNITED STATES" or "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".

http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/US_Government/usgovG63.jpg

Similar to using the USDC as a repository, the U.S. Department of Transportation is a repository for a private/foreign/neutral/sovereign to make their 'vessels' known and 'identifiable' to the world without much ado. One can send in a paper form minus the "penalties of perjury" and with "By special visitation" added.


It sounds very dangerous to impersonate a government employee to get free insurance coverage, especially after an accident where you need to file a claim.

I agree. However, with a USDOT #, the insurance/bonding is 100% "BYOYB". For the situations I deal with, "insurance" or "bonding" would amount to private funds deposited with a US Govt. fiduciary for the benefit of, say, Schmidt Family Trust. Also keep in mind that a 'regular insurance policy' is just an indemnity agreement..typically a poorly (if not terribly) written one with nearly-lousy terms for the 'insured' (Wouldn't it better if you could write the policy yourself?).

Seems far better to be outside the reach of crooked municipalities and deal with the US Department of Transportation where they are at least more honest and/or more informed than most of the State DMV racketeers I've come across.

There are at least three US Government offices for handling 'transit bonding' issues:

* U.S. Secretary of Transportation
* U.S. Secretary of State
* U.S. Secretary of the Treasury.

Here's some communications on The Truck Report (http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/ask-an-owner-operator/110461-private-carrier-not-for-hire-insurance.html) regarding insurance policies for USDOT for recreational purposes.

Frederick Burrell
08-31-11, 07:14 PM
Your can get private bonding for a car without the ODOT. Most people don't have the money or the securities to back a bond or just don't understand the process so few do it. I believe the min bond for a vehicle is $20,000. Could be higher now its been a few years and may very by state. fB

allodial
08-31-11, 07:50 PM
Your can get private bonding for a car without the ODOT. Most people don't have the money or the securities to back a bond or just don't understand the process so few do it. I believe the min bond for a vehicle is $20,000. Could be higher now its been a few years and may very by state. fB

Clearly, I'm no poster-boy for the US Department of Transportation. The point is getting at ALTERNATIVES. Some people are further along than others as you have indicated in the previous post. USDOT is quick n easy. You could go to Progressive and still get insurance. IMHO its the widespread incompetence that makes it even necessary to bother with USDOT# which I'd rather not. So the onus and liablity is on them rather than I, no? They are interfering with administration of lawful and foreign estates so perhaps they should have to pay for it? The advantage of the USDOT# is that its easily searchable by most anyone with an Internet connection, a fax or a telephone. One can have the USDOT # on the bumper with no 'plate' at all..or maybe just a 'plate' with your name or coat of arms?

644
An alternative might be to do what is necessary to privatize your automobile and use the USDC for the repository. The USDC records can also be access via pacer.gov. USDOT is just a lot easier to access since no account is required as with pacer.gov.

645
The disadvantage of pacer.gov is that if someone wants to verify the records, they have to have an account to access pacer.gov. And it costs $$. If a police department doesn't have access to pacer.gov then what? Sure likely the documents you have will have USDC stamps on them which can be good enough.

Another alternative is to just go without plates at all. There are lots of alternatives. USDOT # does not require insurance--it has nothing to do with insurance or bonding--its about the database entry so that revenue agents in the field can determine the nature and character of your automobile--if you have State plates they will likely presume you to be a State employee UNLESS you have made arrangements with the State. I've seen many tow trucks rolling around with only a USDOT # and without any State plates.

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Another alternative to pacer.gov or USDOT's Safer system is to use a county recorder's office that makes its records available via the Internet FOR FREE so that records can be pulled up by even the most computer challenged back-office LEO. One might even inquire as to whether a particular county will take filings from outside the county? Perhaps they have private files that can be pulled up only by reception number? David Merrill likely knows more about private case jackets/files.

[Interesting article regarding PACER (https://opendoj.ideascale.com/a/dtd/35233-7036)].


Your can get private bonding for a car without the ODOT. Most people don't have the money or the securities to back a bond or just don't understand the process so few do it. I believe the min bond for a vehicle is $20,000. Could be higher now its been a few years and may very by state. fB

The USDOT # has nothing to do with the bonding--they only provide database entries about the bonding/policies available--you could conceivably use the USDOT# only for notice of the bonding/insurance you arrange with the US Govt. Its just that they provide a LEO and 'world accessible' system to determine the nature/character of the automobile or vessel in transit. That is it. If that is your only purpose of having a trust/person being asociated with a USDOT # you can send a letter to the USDOT and file it in the USDC in a misc. jacket and keep a copy in your car. The bond does not come with the USDOT#. Its totally separate. The USDOT only providing a database entry for you to state your claim. That is all! Its obviously not mandatory. But try rolling around without any plates at all.


Application + Memorandum + Cover letters + Affidavits + USDC repository

http://www.dot6.state.pa.us/crsapp/html/AA500RefManual/AA_500_Page_C/USDOTNo.jpg

Perhaps Tim Turner has alternatives? (Side note: not related to the thread. I have reason to believe that he and his cohorts gather information on viable remedies and then proceed to create misinformation and propaganda against the remedies. Travel warrant cards being the primary an example.)

And yes its great news that the "CONSUMER GOODS" exemption has been codified. That supports de-registration of a "motor vehicle" from the State-level and placing it under a trust associated with a USDOT #. The USDOT # is not associated with any particular VIN. You could however, send a notice to the USDOT as to the VINs of the automobiles of the trust. Or such could be in the policy or bonding that you acquire or provide.

allodial
08-31-11, 09:26 PM
Is it necessary to have some family trust structure in place in order to go this route with the DOT # for the cars?

I'd suggest getting a grasp around the basics of trusts and to know what an 'irrevocable trust (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/irrevocabletrust.asp)' (really means the grantor/settlor/creator can't revoke the trust. If it can be revoked by the grantor/settlor/creator then it can be considred to be a 'sham' or an 'alter-ego of the grantor/settlor for tax purposes --see 'grantor trust (http://www.gslaw.com/resources/pdf/Use%20of%20Grantor%20Trusts%20in%20Estate%20Planni ng.pdf)') and a 'living trust' is. Conceivably, a trust declaration placing the automobile(s) into the trust wouldn't be a bad idea. Know how to 'sign' documents without incurring general liability ("Mary, as Trustee" vs just "Mary"). Trust declaration can limit the liability of trustees. Beneficiaries can be 'unit holders' or your children. You could be the beneficiary too. The trust could be called Smith Family of Denver North America and the beneficiary could be Smith Family (two different trusts/organizations). Ideally the automobile would be assigned to the trust.

Now alert for those who have yet to overcome a tendency to lack attention for detail:

The trust declaration would ideally made so that the trust is not a domestic trust--that the 'address' is not domestic so that its not confused with a State-chartered entity.

There is an Ehow article on transffering an automobile to a trust (http://www.ehow.com/how_5978292_transfer-title-automobile-trust.html).

Though its not technically necessary for the trust declaration to be made prior to the USDOT# application, its probably a good idea to comprehend the clauses that can go into a such a trust declaration for your protection and to eventually get the trust declaration written out and witnessed (it can be very simple): spendthrift clauses, trustee liability clauses, etc. FYI, most every single airliner is 'wrapped ' in a trust wholly separate from the airline--limits liability.

If your trust/estate is not domestic then Captain Obvious might mention that "It aint in a city, state ZIP" then. Captain Obvious perhaps required the sign that was photographed as below.

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7171.jpg

Perhaps some things aren't always so obvious.


"The Grantor hereby irrevocably grants the Automobile {defined above} to this Trust {defined above} per the terms of this trust declaration."

NACRS has a document available online (http://nacrs.org/docs/charts/Basic6Set.pdf) that you might find to be of interest.

And an entire book (http://www.nacrs.org/docs/CarltonWeissNACRS2008.pdf) that you might find helpful.

shikamaru
08-31-11, 11:24 PM
I nearly lost my water looking at that picture ...LOL.
You would have owed me a laptop, allodial.

Frederick Burrell
09-01-11, 02:53 AM
Well allodial if your not the poster boy than your his sister. What does ODOT have to do with the title of this thread. Why didn't you start a new thread instead of hijacking this one. Thanks fB

allodial
09-01-11, 04:19 AM
Well allodial if your not the poster boy than your his sister. What does ODOT have to do with the title of this thread. Why didn't you start a new thread instead of hijacking this one. Thanks fB

Sorry not his sister either but if she was cute... ;)

Anyways... seemed like it was a perfectly related and complimentary topic. No need for State registration of 'consumer goods' + USDOT # or DIY tags. All seems rather exciting and awesome as far as attaining remedy. :D My apologies if you feel your thread was hijacked. Am I the only one that gets excited about remedy? :confused:

So apart from USDOT # what do you feel to be good alternatives to State tags or even State registration? Is there anyone with good recommendations for overcoming the 'need' for tags for say even cross-country travel?

To the topic ..

http://kitcheningredients.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/buckwheat.jpg

David Merrill
09-01-11, 09:28 AM
However, I'm unaware of any free insurance available with a USDOT #.


I seem to remember that from the post somewhere just before this thread was diverted onto USDOT.

Above though; we see a tractor - obviously in commerce. Possibly so, whenever there is no trailer hooked up to it? Could that be the key? Not for Hire.

So let's look at the Official Use Only designation:

http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/US_Government/usgovG63.jpg

Note that happens on all the license plate stickers.


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1507/officialuseonlysticker.jpg

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7762/officialuseonly.jpg

Frederick Burrell
09-01-11, 11:07 AM
Sorry not his sister either but if she was cute... ;)

Anyways... seemed like it was a perfectly related and complimentary topic. No need for State registration of 'consumer goods' + USDOT # or DIY tags. All seems rather exciting and awesome as far as attaining remedy. :D My apologies if you feel your thread was hijacked. Am I the only one that gets excited about remedy? :confused:

So apart from USDOT # what do you feel to be good alternatives to State tags or even State registration? Is there anyone with good recommendations for overcoming the 'need' for tags for say even cross-country travel?

To the topic ..




I think if you read the law quoted the remedy becomes self evident. No registration required. The question seems more along the lines of how to notice those that think they are in authority. Home made plates would be a good start, as notice to those officers you meet on the highway to identify you as a private individual conducting private affairs and not for commerce. On top of that noticing authorities in the state and county where you live of the removal of your private transportation from the federal/state registry and either keeping accurate record for your self or use of a federal repository to keep records of the presentation made to said authorities. The second post fits into this Idea very nicely and shows this as a workable remedy. This the line of discussion I intended the thread to take, but no biggy. fB

David Merrill
09-01-11, 01:15 PM
I did that a long time back. The officer wrote the ticket very craftily so that I prepared for trial for a No Plates charge when the real charge on the ticket was Forgery. The accusation was that my home-made plates were designed to mimic vanity plates issued by the State. I prepared for the wrong charge because he fudged up the statute number so it could be read either way. I objected and should have appealed if it seemed worth it at the time.

Frederick Burrell
09-01-11, 01:25 PM
I did that a long time back. The officer wrote the ticket very craftily so that I prepared for trial for a No Plates charge when the real charge on the ticket was Forgery. The accusation was that my home-made plates were designed to mimic vanity plates issued by the State. I prepared for the wrong charge because he fudged up the statute number so it could be read either way. I objected and should have appealed if it seemed worth it at the time.

Should have known that somehow you would have tried this at one point in your illustrious career..lol

So what was the out come of the trial. Good information though, don't make your licence plate look to much like the real thing. fB

allodial
09-01-11, 03:24 PM
I think if you read the law quoted the remedy becomes self evident. No registration required.
If its so self-evident then why are so many people having trouble? You and I might know but does it mean that the Roscoe Pico Trayne does? No tags, no notice is a good way to get pulled over every single day you sojourn by such an automobile. You're dealing with US Naval Regulations on land in case you didn't know. Just FYI. No registration required is a 'law'. Attaining an asserting remedy in practice is another deal altogether. Perhaps "you can go through the door" is the law and actually going through the door is the remedy. As in, one invites the other.


The question seems more along the lines of how to notice those that think they are in authority. Home made plates would be a good start, as notice to those officers you meet on the highway to identify you as a private individual conducting private affairs and not for commerce. On top of that noticing authorities in the state and county where you live of the removal of your private transportation from the federal/state registry and either keeping accurate record for your self or use of a federal repository to keep records of the presentation made to said authorities. The second post fits into this Idea very nicely and shows this as a workable remedy. This the line of discussion I intended the thread to take, but no biggy. fB

Well many have tried to go without plates. Some have with or without success. I've made DIY plates and didn't have any trouble at all --they weren't USDOT related either.


No registration required. The question seems more along the lines of how to notice those that think they are in authority.

That is exactly why the USDOT allows non-commercial USDOT #s because they are aware that registration cannot always be required.


Home made plates would be a good start, as notice to those officers you meet on the highway to identify you as a private individual conducting private affairs and not for commerce. On top of that noticing authorities in the state and county where you live of the removal of your private transportation from the federal/state registry and either keeping accurate record for your self or use of a federal repository to keep records of the presentation made to said authorities. The second post fits into this Idea very nicely and shows this as a workable remedy. This the line of discussion I intended the thread to take, but no biggy. fB

So many of us have been there..done that. However, the topic multi-faceted and shallow thinking could get someone in trouble. There are different issues which can be touched upon by way of question:

(i) How to de-register a car from State registration?
(ii) How do you provide notice to the US, State of California or Canada concerning the uniqueness of your plate/tag?
(iii) What kind of information do you display on a tag?
(iv) What suffices as proof of right of possession other than a Certificate of Title?

i. You can transfer it from domestic to not domestic and/or from public/residential to private using by gifting/selling/assigning. States issue CoT to *residents*. Foreigners can be lienholders. Oh believe me I've had one on one with top-level DMV heads of more than one State. You find a "notice of sale" form and make a generic one using that kind of information and mail it to the DMV associate with the Title Document.

ii. You could send a notice to State Patrol, Attorney General, Sherriff, Chief of Police about the unique tag. Depends on where you are "coming from" so to speak. In the box? Out of the box?

iii. If identifying the particular automobile is key then the VIN # or the last eight digits (CA/CO) might suffice. Does your name go at the top of the tag? What goes at the top of the tag? Does the name of the assignee go on top of the tag? What's the significance of using the State's name vs the name of an assignee on a tag? 2" to 3" tall lettering with high contrast between letters and background tends to be recommended for automobile signage/decals.

iv. An MSO. Bill of Sale, Gifting or Assignment + MSO. Mechanic's Lien form. Other Lien form. Junk or Salvage Title. Notice of sale form.

http://www.odot.state.or.us/forms/dmv/6890.pdf
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/btr/82050.pdf

Those are examples of how you could make your custom notice using a Word Processor.

allodial
09-01-11, 03:38 PM
Could that be the key? Not for Hire.
Telling a rental car or a leased car from one that isn't using surface information can be quite a challenge if near impossible. Cops do not know who is leasing or who isnt. Cops dont know what car has a note on it and what doesn't. The DMV records are even designed so its discerning such is challenging. If a car will be leased beyond 30 days, the lessor puts their name on the title not the leasing company--thus more indirection/masking/concealment. So it appears that cops are trained to presume that everyone is borrowing from someone under a commercial lease. A payment plan on a car IS effectively a lease. If the car is not for hire--then that seems to have a twofold meaning: (i) that its not being leased/rented and is not under a payment plan; (ii) that the current driver is not trying to stir up business. "Private" goes a bit further in removing the presumption of residence or public-ness.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=642&d=1314670102

http://www.outofdebtchristian.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/not-for-hire-300x225.jpg

http://licenseplatesusa.com/ProductImages/newpictures/nebraska%20truck%20farm%20not%20for%20hire.bmp

Frederick Burrell
09-01-11, 04:13 PM
(i) How to de-register a car from State registration?
(ii) How do you provide notice to the US, State of California or Canada concerning the uniqueness of your plate/tag?
(iii) What kind of information do you display on a tag?
(iv) What suffices as proof of right of possession other than a Certificate of Title?

i. You can transfer it from domestic to not domestic and/or from public/residential to private using by gifting/selling/assigning. States issue CoT to *residents*. Foreigners can be lienholders. Oh believe me I've had one on one with top-level DMV heads of more than one State. You find a "notice of sale" form and make a generic one using that kind of information and mail it to the DMV associate with the Title Document.

ii. You could send a notice to State Patrol, Attorney General, Sherriff, Chief of Police about the unique tag. Depends on where you are "coming from" so to speak. In the box? Out of the box?

iii. If identifying the particular automobile is key then the VIN # or the last eight digits (CA/CO) might suffice. Does your name go at the top of the tag? What goes at the top of the tag? Does the name of the assignee go on top of the tag? What's the significance of using the State's name vs the name of an assignee on a tag? 2" to 3" tall lettering with high contrast between letters and background tends to be recommended for automobile signage/decals.

iv. An MSO. Bill of Sale, Gifting or Assignment + MSO. Mechanic's Lien form. Other Lien form. Junk or Salvage Title. Notice of sale form.

http://www.odot.state.or.us/forms/dmv/6890.pdf
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/btr/82050.pdf

Those are examples of how you could make your custom notice using a Word Processor.

Now we are getting somewhere. Great questions. And good answers.

some of the Ideas I had:

(i) How to de-register a car from State registration?
Notice and return of the title with a 30 response limit
(ii) How do you provide notice to the US, State of California or Canada concerning the uniqueness of your plate/tag?
Notice of Intent description and picture
(iii) What kind of information do you display on a tag?
Unique, needs thought about what would best suit my needs
(iv) What suffices as proof of right of possession other than a Certificate of Title?
Notorized bill of sale, from former owner FIRST MIDDLE LAST to First Middle. Copy of the bill of sale along with notices, and former registration.

And since many of you have been there and done that, with success why the attitude. The forum is to share information and explore ideas. This starts with a post. Maybe not a perfect post covering all possible hiccups that might occur along the way, but a start just the same and one that didn't exist prior. So give me a break and share Ideas about how on registration and what you have learned. Or not. Thanks for your input. fB

allodial
09-01-11, 04:38 PM
... why the attitude.

Good question that I should have probably asked perhaps? Especially since I have only put in positive input toward remedy. Clearly there are many ways for asserting or reaching remedy. However, considering all experience (collective or otherwise) 'the USDOT # method' provides for the easiest remedy. DIY tags with proper notice to strangers or the like that you might meet along the way is tenable. However, its a multi-faceted. Utlimately it may be that you'd be providing exemplars for friend-foe-neutral "identification" for safe transit through what some might regard to be a theater of war.

When, say, the U.S. Navy launches a new ship, they typically make notice as to the type of ship and its hull or serial #s or the like. This removes an element of mystery when it is encountered by friend, foe or neutral. Same topic here...except this might dealwith more of a change of flags .

David Merrill
09-01-11, 04:48 PM
Should have known that somehow you would have tried this at one point in your illustrious career..lol

So what was the out come of the trial. Good information though, don't make your licence plate look to much like the real thing. fB


Convicted by the judge. He would not give me a continuance to prepare once I discovered the real charge. I don't know that would have done any good though since the plate looked like it did. The courtroom was full of about half the county's LEOs.

allodial
09-01-11, 05:19 PM
Convicted by the judge. He would not give me a continuance to prepare once I discovered the real charge. I don't know that would have done any good though since the plate looked like it did. The courtroom was full of about half the county's LEOs.

If "COLORADO" (presumably) at the top of your plate is 'forgery' that is telling. Using their 'collective name' without permission is forgery? But them using your fingerprints or name without permission isn't?

650

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allodial
09-01-11, 06:41 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/EurostileSpec.svg/220px-EurostileSpec.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/DIN_1451.svg/220px-DIN_1451.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Tratex_font_sample.png/220px-Tratex_font_sample.png
The font is called "Eurostile" (see also Tratex (http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/Global/Vag/Vagmarken/Teckensnitt/tratex_win.zip?epslanguage=sv)) btw. Others are the DIN 1541 (http://automatsvet.cz/traffic/de.zip) and FHWA (http://www.trafficsign.us/signtypeface.html) family fonts or similar ones which are utilized on USA/Canada or European highway signs. Eurostile is similar. They are selected as they are designed for high-readability. FYI, "Clearview" is to replace the current FHWA set of fonts.

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As for using fonts designed specifically for high-readability, the point is to make things easier for yourself by making it easy to read from a distance.

Treefarmer
09-02-11, 02:23 AM
[Interesting article regarding PACER (https://opendoj.ideascale.com/a/dtd/35233-7036)].



Interesting article indeed, thank you for posting this allodial.

Treefarmer
09-02-11, 02:45 AM
There is an Ehow article on transffering an automobile to a trust (http://www.ehow.com/how_5978292_transfer-title-automobile-trust.html).


If your trust/estate is not domestic then Captain Obvious might mention that "It aint in a city, state ZIP" then. Captain Obvious perhaps required the sign that was photographed as below.

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7171.jpg

Perhaps some things aren't always so obvious.



NACRS has a document available online (http://nacrs.org/docs/charts/Basic6Set.pdf) that you might find to be of interest.

And an entire book (http://www.nacrs.org/docs/CarltonWeissNACRS2008.pdf) that you might find helpful.

That's hilarious.
Thank you for the links allodial, I shall peruse the material.

EZrhythm
09-02-11, 02:52 AM
I have been utilizing three styles of plates; US DOT#, PRIVATE - CONSUMER GOODS - NO LICENSE REQUIRED and a State Flag plate (*Law of the flag). I also have traveled without any plate for a time. I was stopped the most amount of times (3?) while displaying no plate, once while only displaying a US DOT #, once while displaying the "PRIVATE" plate (Testimony under Success Stories) and not once while displaying a State flag plate. The State flag plate has been displayed for the least amount of mileage of all the options but a friend has been displaying one for quite a while without incident.


*Law of the Flag - Under admiralty, the ship's flag determines the source of law. For example, a ship flying the American flag in the Persian Gulf would be subject to American admiralty law; and a ship flying a Norwegian flag in American waters will be subject to Norwegian admiralty law. This also applies to criminal law governing the ship's crew. But the ship must be flying the flag legitimately; that is, there must be more than insubstantial contact between the ship and its flag, in order for the law of the flag to apply. American courts may refuse jurisdiction where it would involve applying the law of another country, although in general international law does seek uniformity in admiralty law. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/admiralty Interestingly enough, "Savings to suitors clause" is mentioned here.

More here; http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

motla68
10-04-11, 12:43 PM
Not sure is you all are aware or not, but now when you go to register for a DOT# it has an option to select for transporting of " Household Goods ".

Frederick Burrell
10-04-11, 02:32 PM
Not sure is you all are aware or not, but now when you go to register for a DOT# it has an option to select for transporting of " Household Goods ".

I saw that when I visited a state site for filling for a DOT license. I would only ask transporting House Hold goods for what purpose, it doesn't specify "private use house hold goods." None the less DOT would appear to be an option for some, I think I will op for private plates, with a notice to concerned parties, DMV, police chief, Attorney General of my state, and local DA of my intentions and that I'm not operating in commerce with my fee schedule connected to my plates should they which to place an order.they will at least know my rates. Notice will be in the form of an affidavit, demanding a response within 21 days under penalty of perjury and them operating/ responding as a party taking full liability I will also inform them that I am the administrator of the NAME trust and their responsibilities as trustees and their responsibility to follow the policies and order of the administrator. fB

motla68
12-04-11, 06:03 PM
Exposing more bullshit patriotism:

It is just a recording, it does not transfer " interest ". It is meant to protect a interest in property.

REGISTRY. A book authorized by law, in which writings are registered or recorded. Vide To Record; Register.
- 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

Think about this for birth registry as well, all them patriot sites that claim the same with that you being chattel property, like cattle. Bluntly speaking, this entity named LEGAL PERSON is your wench. A deed gift given.

764

765

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shikamaru
12-04-11, 08:05 PM
Exposing more bullshit patriotism:

It is just a recording, it does not transfer " interest ". It is meant to protect a interest in property.

REGISTRY. A book authorized by law, in which writings are registered or recorded. Vide To Record; Register.
- 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

Think about this for birth registry as well, all them patriot sites that claim the same with that you being chattel property, like cattle. Bluntly speaking, this entity named LEGAL PERSON is your wench. A deed gift given.


You'll have to dig deeper than this cursory presentation given.

How about you cough up some history or treatises on registries and registration?

motla68
12-04-11, 09:00 PM
You'll have to dig deeper than this cursory presentation given.

How about you cough up some history or treatises on registries and registration?

If you think something is needed done then do it, otherwise you have not convinced me I need to dig deeper, and do it without quoting the informer or some other so called patriot guru, go to the statutes at large or some other positive law that specifically validates your claim, use dictionary terms e.t.c., give it some solid backing.

allodial
12-04-11, 09:06 PM
The DMV is just an agreed upon "statewide recorder" concerning "motor vehicles". Just as those of a particular State may chose to relegate "real estate" records to a particular office in a given county, the same folks chose to make the DMV the "vehicle recorder's office". Its the same recording power but the DMV also might electronically publish information that law enforcement agencies SUBSCRIBE TO. A Notice of Sale of An Automobile notarized and signed by the seller can be handy if you are taking an automobile from public/residential to private. They key thing is, filing the document should also be coupled with service on the DMV type organization from which the related the certificate of title was issued. That is so that the DMV can update their records. There is a process for privatizing an automobile, but I would say that the typical "Patriot Drivel" might be misleading.

EZrhythm
12-04-11, 10:18 PM
I would only ask transporting House Hold goods for what purpose, it doesn't specify "private use house hold goods."

It's imperative to read the definitions of the Uniform Commercial Code to realize that "PRIVATE" isn't necessary but "consumer/household goods" has meaning. Uniform Commercial Code (http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ucc.table.html)

motla68
12-04-11, 11:07 PM
The DMV is just an agreed upon "statewide recorder" concerning "motor vehicles". Just as those of a particular State may chose to relegate "real estate" records to a particular office in a given county, the same folks chose to make the DMV the "vehicle recorder's office". Its the same recording power but the DMV also might electronically publish information that law enforcement agencies SUBSCRIBE TO. A Notice of Sale of An Automobile notarized and signed by the seller can be handy if you are taking an automobile from public/residential to private. They key thing is, filing the document should also be coupled with service on the DMV type organization from which the related the certificate of title was issued. That is so that the DMV can update their records. There is a process for privatizing an automobile, but I would say that the typical "Patriot Drivel" might be misleading.

On the latter I am knowledgeable of such things, have even done it myself, i had nothing when traveling, traveled downtown all the time and was never pulled over. There is such language out there to a Bill Of Sale being an MSO. People get too caught up in private and public languages that they loose their way, they forget it is an " interest " in a thing they are transferring. Right of possession is just holding it until the vehicle is transferred somewhere else. Whether money transfer hands or a loaf of bread is separate from the equity interest itself. Once you understand this you can do some amazing things.

BILL OF SALE, Contracts. An agreement in writing, under seal, by which a man transfers the right or interest he has in goods and cbattels, to another. As the law imports a consideration when an agreement is made by deed, a bill of sale alters the property. Yelv. 196; Cro. Jac. 270 6 Co. 18.
- 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

As far as I am concerned Yehovah / YHWH owns it all, we are just stewards on the land that was given for "use" as gift. If you believe this then you got to live it everyday, not just when it is convenient. When you come into certain understandings all the public versus private time wasted arguments just drift away in the mind and things become more simplified. The vehicle that I use now has all the things it needs, license, registration, insurance, inspection and I did not sign for any of it. I just wrote " per: Birth Certificate Name ", that is the seal / the name. All using notes with the interest of Lawful Money.

31 USC 3123
(a) The faith of the United States Government is pledged to pay, in legal tender, principal and interest on the obligations of the Government issued under this chapter.

31 USC 5118
(2) "public debt obligation" means a domestic obligation issued or guaranteed by the United States Government to repay money or interest.

I am working on procedure currently to settle these matters honorably for end of your information returns when I inform them of their obligations. Let you know of the results as they come in.

motla68
12-04-11, 11:12 PM
It's imperative to read the definitions of the Uniform Commercial Code to realize that "PRIVATE" isn't necessary but "consumer/household goods" has meaning. Uniform Commercial Code (http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ucc.table.html)

This matches up with what i have seen on the federal DOT registration site lately, you can no longer list Individual as and option, it is either household goods or commercial type.

allodial
12-05-11, 03:37 AM
On the latter I am knowledgeable of such things, have even done it myself, i had nothing when traveling, traveled downtown all the time and was never pulled over. There is such language out there to a Bill Of Sale being an MSO. People get too caught up in private and public languages that they loose their way, they forget it is an " interest " in a thing they are transferring. Right of possession is just holding it until the vehicle is transferred somewhere else. Whether money transfer hands or a loaf of bread is separate from the equity interest itself. Once you understand this you can do some amazing things.

The point is that if the purchaser is a resident or an office holder then its quite a bit different from the case if the purchaser is private or foreign to the State. My observation is that most folks have shown an inability to make adequate distinctions between (A) public and (B) private.

motla68
12-05-11, 06:34 AM
The point is that if the purchaser is a resident or an office holder then its quite a bit different from the case if the purchaser is private or foreign to the State. My observation is that most folks have shown an inability to make adequate distinctions between (A) public and (B) private.

I cannot argue with that, but we all have been there at one point in our lives. I try to explain it to people this way:
Private law for public people and public law for private people.

David Merrill
12-05-11, 08:01 AM
I think it easily resolved if you observe the bonding rules. When operating machinery in public then one needs to be in authority. Anybody can make mistakes so authority is derived from being able to make restitution for errors in judgment. Ergo any perceptions that one need not register are only applicable to posting a bond - liquidity. If I have a $50K bond posted to cover my errors then I am understanding the state has no authority to make me register my vehicles. I can operate them in authority.

Since Delovio v. Boit (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYmE5MDFkN2EtNzhlMC00NzExLTg1NzE tNmUzNzVlYmZmYmU2&hl=en_US) (1815) however any insurance contract is made in admiralty. This was true since the invention of bottomry on the open seas but Justice STORY put it on the American Jurisprudence landscape as an irrefutable landmark.

Even Federal Reserve notes are insurance claims awaiting a claim of redemption so I think that in our post-1861 quasi-martial law world; martial rule, the best we can do is a series of redemption demands that are recognized by law. If you do not have a $50K bond to post, and must resort to insurance to establish your authority to operate a piece of heavy machinery rapidly in public then you might consider purchasing your vehicle (not Motor Vehicle) with lawful money - own the highest title - with a process similar to this (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYTEwZTk4NWQtZGFjNC00NjVkLWE5MjI tYWNjZDA3NGI5MGRm&authkey=CKqok6oO&hl=en_US&authkey=CKqok6oO). Additionally you should sign your driver license with your true name only and when you present it after an accident make it clear that your identity is as signed, and you are doing business as the TRUST on the card only for competency purposes, Rule E(8) Restricted Appearance (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_E) so that your insurance company will cover any claims you might make.


(8) Restricted Appearance. An appearance to defend against an admiralty and maritime claim with respect to which there has issued process in rem, or process of attachment and garnishment, may be expressly restricted to the defense of such claim, and in that event is not an appearance for the purposes of any other claim with respect to which such process is not available or has not been served.

This way you remain in authority to be operating the vehicle in public because you can make any accident victims whole through your insurance policy but at the same time you only enter into the admiralty just the amount you need to to execute it in terms that may be understood by the police officer. In fact, you never even need to mention it - Rule E(8). You never form a person (Resident Scam (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6361/ensmingervfederallandba.pdf)) other than POLICY HOLDER with your driver license as identification. In fact you are not identifying yourself with the driver license at all, you use your signature as prima facie evidence of your competence. [Note that you never leave the law of the land - Article III jurisdiction (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1886/1617t.jpg) of the Constitution.]

Let the truth prescribe the process.



Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. In other words, and you may quote me:

Peace is valuable.

That makes no sense to militia in a world where the economic system is built on commercial warfare - debt. In a peaceful world it makes absolutely no sense to buy and sell debt. Congress decided in 1934 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) that you making your demand for gold (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) was sufficient to declare your character as peaceful inhabitant.


http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8906/pentagramofjurisdiction.jpg

shikamaru
12-05-11, 01:20 PM
If you think something is needed done then do it, otherwise you have not convinced me I need to dig deeper, and do it without quoting the informer or some other so called patriot guru, go to the statutes at large or some other positive law that specifically validates your claim, use dictionary terms e.t.c., give it some solid backing.

No.... You do it. You like to skim and give half stories without doing serious research such as your half-cocked lien theory on mortgages.

What about title theory states?

Or...will any BS from you do?

motla68
12-05-11, 03:47 PM
I think it easily resolved if you observe the bonding rules. When operating machinery in public then one needs to be in authority. Anybody can make mistakes so authority is derived from being able to make restitution for errors in judgment. Ergo any perceptions that one need not register are only applicable to posting a bond - liquidity. If I have a $50K bond posted to cover my errors then I am understanding the state has no authority to make me register my vehicles. I can operate them in authority.

Since Delovio v. Boit (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYmE5MDFkN2EtNzhlMC00NzExLTg1NzE tNmUzNzVlYmZmYmU2&hl=en_US) (1815) however any insurance contract is made in admiralty. This was true since the invention of bottomry on the open seas but Justice STORY put it on the American Jurisprudence landscape as an irrefutable landmark.

Even Federal Reserve notes are insurance claims awaiting a claim of redemption so I think that in our post-1861 quasi-martial law world; martial rule, the best we can do is a series of redemption demands that are recognized by law. If you do not have a $50K bond to post, and must resort to insurance to establish your authority to operate a piece of heavy machinery rapidly in public then you might consider purchasing your vehicle (not Motor Vehicle) with lawful money - own the highest title - with a process similar to this (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYTEwZTk4NWQtZGFjNC00NjVkLWE5MjI tYWNjZDA3NGI5MGRm&authkey=CKqok6oO&hl=en_US&authkey=CKqok6oO). Additionally you should sign your driver license with your true name only and when you present it after an accident make it clear that your identity is as signed, and you are doing business as the TRUST on the card only for competency purposes, Rule E(8) Restricted Appearance (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_E) so that your insurance company will cover any claims you might make.



This way you remain in authority to be operating the vehicle in public because you can make any accident victims whole through your insurance policy but at the same time you only enter into the admiralty just the amount you need to to execute it in terms that may be understood by the police officer. In fact, you never even need to mention it - Rule E(8). You never form a person (Resident Scam (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6361/ensmingervfederallandba.pdf)) other than POLICY HOLDER with your driver license as identification. In fact you are not identifying yourself with the driver license at all, you use your signature as prima facie evidence of your competence. [Note that you never leave the law of the land - Article III jurisdiction (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1886/1617t.jpg) of the Constitution.]

Let the truth prescribe the process.



Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. In other words, and you may quote me:

Peace is valuable.

That makes no sense to militia in a world where the economic system is built on commercial warfare - debt. In a peaceful world it makes absolutely no sense to buy and sell debt. Congress decided in 1934 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) that you making your demand for gold (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) was sufficient to declare your character as peaceful inhabitant.


http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8906/pentagramofjurisdiction.jpg

Good day david, thank you for the input.

I know who put this together, at the time the man was still in a bit of patriotic thought of everything being so cut and dry, he is now coming around little by little as i try to show him the way, but if natural law is supreme then what does one have to fear? Let me explain a little on why I said : "Private law for public people and public law for private people" ;

When king Nebuchadnezzar ordered those three men through the firy furnace it was done in a public setting, so therefore it was a public ordinance, the three men proceeded without fear in their hearts and they come out unscathed and here is some follow up versus to that:

1 Peter 2:13 through 2:19 " Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. Servants, subject to [your] masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. For this [is] thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

Here is the distinction, it does not say laws it says ordinance, as in public ordinances and not to be a subject to mammon but to do it in [B]honour because we are to be thankful for all and have no fear but of God.
I travel down the road and follow the signs to the best of my conscience, wear a seat belt or a helmet on a motorcycle not because of the suggestive ordinance but to honor my neighbors right to travel to be thankworthy and fear of God. Through the fire or over the top of water I try to always keep this in mind.

The same type of theme is repeated in 1 Peter 3:12 through 3:20 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Pe&c=3&t=KJV#14) if you are so inclined to follow my point here. Also tried to set this example with the IRS form 8832 (election).

1 Peter 3:18 " For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: "

My interpretation of this is to notice us of the suffering yashuah sent down as an example of how all man should live in their humility and reverence. Again just more symbolism like many other places in the bible leading up to Revelations.

There is more to all this of course, but this is the basic jist of it.

motla68
12-05-11, 03:51 PM
No.... You do it. You like to skim and give half stories without during serious research such as your half-cocked lien theory on mortgages.

What about title theory states?

Or...will any BS from you do?

I gave you the keys (reference to cites), but not going to open the door for you. There is no silver platter here, time to man up.

David Merrill
12-05-11, 04:07 PM
I prefer the approach that I will share all I can so that anybody, regardless of testosterone levels might be able to utilize my experience and expertise. The limitation of course is that I have to sanitize private information but I think the readers and members here have learned to live with that. Another drawback is I only keep one or two examples until they are replaced by better examples. The readers do not get to read all the great unsanitized examples that remedy is still extant in America.

I especially enjoy the success stories that come from people who have never talked to me, just been interested enough to inquire here and apply/execute process. That tells me that I have explained remedy clearly here.

motla68
12-05-11, 04:25 PM
I am my own house of record, I try to keep as much as humanly possible not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Sometimes there is little details you can go back to that were right on target and you did not know it at the time and also have new insight to old information, this helps to accelerate the learning process greatly. I only toss out that which I have combed over carefully to discover absolutely no further value.

Yes, having and hearing of successes are quite the motivator, especially when one is having a mental block.

David Merrill
12-05-11, 04:53 PM
I am my own house of record, I try to keep as much as humanly possible not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Sometimes there is little details you can go back to that were right on target and you did not know it at the time and also have new insight to old information, this helps to accelerate the learning process greatly. I only toss out that which I have combed over carefully to discover absolutely no further value.

Yes, having and hearing of successes are quite the motivator, especially when one is having a mental block.

That is basically why you have troubles with other members. If you read your post there Motla68, it is completely oriented on you improving your knowledge base about remedy. It is not about sharing it with others.

shikamaru
12-05-11, 06:34 PM
I gave you the keys (reference to cites), but not going to open the door for you. There is no silver platter here, time to man up.

No you didn't. Keep copping out.
Perhaps you need to learn how to research.
If you do that, your theories won't be half baked.

Again, what about title theory states versus lien theory states?
Can you answer or do I have to show you how real research is done, son?

motla68
12-05-11, 06:42 PM
That is basically why you have troubles with other members. If you read your post there Motla68, it is completely oriented on you improving your knowledge base about remedy. It is not about sharing it with others.

I apologize for the forgoing, but it sounds like what they want me to do is to serve up postings where thinking and some due diligence is not necessary. Obviously this is not where my talent or interest is. However I have received private messages from people on this forum thanking me for what I shared and the epiphany that follows after that so all is not lost here.
What I have shared all together is at least 3 or 4 times over the amount of information I had to go on things when first starting out and connecting all the dots together myself. What I know is not for everyone, i get that since even the bible says not all will survive the end times. I guess this is my sign to follow the plan as I have done elsewhere to slack off Internet postings, if people want to contact me with questions they know where to contact me, they can even PM me off of this forum and I will respond.

motla68
12-05-11, 06:49 PM
No you didn't. Keep copping out.
Perhaps you need to learn how to research.
If you do that, your theories won't be half baked.

Again, what about title theory states versus lien theory states?
Can you answer or do I have to show you how real research is done, son?

You seem to be expecting a lot more from me then what you are willing to do yourself, for that I cannot help you.
Also you boast as if you allegedly already have your own answer, so why ask the question ?

You win, this ego is checking out.

allodial
12-05-11, 07:49 PM
That is basically why you have troubles with other members. If you read your post there Motla68, it is completely oriented on you improving your knowledge base about remedy. It is not about sharing it with others.

Not to point any fingers, I've noticed that The Higher-Level Trolls seem to 'magine us all to be living in a log cabin, wayyy up in da hills sitting next to a shiny rack of rifles with our sons Bubba, Larryl, Darryl and Darryl busy stewing up some squirrel soup--all of us, "of course", sporting John Deere hats or the latest Monsanto give-way T-shirts and "of course" with us being all too easily distracted by shiny things and bumps in the night. I suppose it could work in our favor them thinking that way. In any case, squirrel might be a bit too gamey for me.

http://www.faillol.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/hillbillies.jpg

P.S. John Deer hats are precious. Shh! Quiet... Bubba? Darryl? Did ya hear that?

motla68
12-05-11, 08:31 PM
LOL! Quite an entertaining assumption and opinion about me. But I did not reference any one specific user on that post as you have. There is not hate here, I don't blame the people I blame the system. Technology has provided so many conveniences for us it is ridiculous, even this box here we use to communicate with is a poor substitute for real communication, complacency is at a all time high and keeps increasing. It is just another reason I plan on spending less time on these groups and more time of my own studies that have fallen behind on. I have a friend from Texas coming into town tonight for a couple days and we are going to do real communication.

I am impressed with such things as this one show on the discovery channel about Gold Mining, a 16 year old boy took over his grandfather's gold mine claim to try and keep it going on his summer break, instead of going to get a drivers license he just jumps on that heavy equipment and learns as he goes, even mostly manages the whole place himself. He does not make complaints much and bites his tongue on excuses and just does it, if he cannot do it then he spends time trying to figure out how to do it.

shikamaru
12-05-11, 09:26 PM
You seem to be expecting a lot more from me then what you are willing to do yourself, for that I cannot help you.
Also you boast as if you allegedly already have your own answer, so why ask the question ?

You win, this ego is checking out.

Don't run, son.
You are about to receive a lesson on how to research.

You never answer a single question nor can you produce any resources.
Time for me to show you how it's done.

Again, what about title theory states versus lien theory states with respect to mortgages?
I'll give you some time before I unload on you.

David Merrill
12-05-11, 09:42 PM
I am my own house of record, I try to keep as much as humanly possible not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Sometimes there is little details you can go back to that were right on target and you did not know it at the time and also have new insight to old information, this helps to accelerate the learning process greatly. I only toss out that which I have combed over carefully to discover absolutely no further value.

Yes, having and hearing of successes are quite the motivator, especially when one is having a mental block.

Thank you Allodial. Believe me I will not be spending much time on it. All he does it would seem is defend his right not to be helpful.

motla68
12-05-11, 10:30 PM
Don't run, son.
You are about to receive a lesson on how to research.

You never answer a single question nor can you produce any resources.
Time for me to show you how it's done.

Again, what about title theory states versus lien theory states with respect to mortgages?
I'll give you some time before I unload on you.

I have my own method of research which fairs me pretty well, no thank you.

You missed it the first time and the second time, here it is again:

697.02 Nature of a mortgage.—A mortgage shall be held to be a specific lien on the property therein described, and not a conveyance of the legal title or of the right of possession.
History.—ss. 1, 2, ch. 525, 1853; RS 1982; GS 2495; RGS 3837; CGL 5725.

Florida statutes, go look and prove me wrong if you think I am fabricating it.

Unload on me? have you ever stopped unloading on me?
I was just here asked of a friend to share some information, i did not expect the treatment i got here. You have posted so many things of hearsay in here and have given even a lot less then I have, you claim you know something just because someone else said it and you call that research, no thank you.

motla68
12-05-11, 10:48 PM
Thank you Allodial. Believe me I will not be spending much time on it. All he does it would seem is defend his right not to be helpful.

IF what I have given was appreciated more then I may have spent a little more time on it, but if what I have given is interpreted as nothing at all then I made a mistake of posting anything. I had seen the postings on here before joining and I knew it was going to come to this and it did, gave a friend the benefit of the doubt and it happened more then once.. so shame on me then. Like i said all was not lost, a few people did communicate to me from this group in private to let me know they get it. It is not my mission to try and save the world, just a few that were willing and able to give it a chance to comprehend. It should not be necessary to post whole books and mountains of material for the average researcher to grasp the concepts. If someone needs that much help then they probably should go get a qualified lawyer if such beast exists.

David Merrill
12-06-11, 02:00 AM
It was offered as constructive criticism. What you seem to do is tease people.

shikamaru
12-10-11, 10:56 AM
I have my own method of research which fairs me pretty well, no thank you.

No offense, but your methods suck.
You present half stories or only those which support your view (after attorning it a bit). You don't cite what you present. You hardly ever present source documents nor do cover the depth or breadth of the subject.



You missed it the first time and the second time, here it is again:

697.02 Nature of a mortgage.—A mortgage shall be held to be a specific lien on the property therein described, and not a conveyance of the legal title or of the right of possession.
History.—ss. 1, 2, ch. 525, 1853; RS 1982; GS 2495; RGS 3837; CGL 5725.

Florida statutes, go look and prove me wrong if you think I am fabricating it.

Now you copied that from somewhere.
Where is your source document? I'm sure you acquired that off the web, therefore where is the URL to this resource?



Unload on me? have you ever stopped unloading on me?

You don't know what unloading looks like from me. Everything prior to this point was light sprinting.



I was just here asked of a friend to share some information, i did not expect the treatment i got here.

Cut the "holier than thou" crap.



You have posted so many things of hearsay in here and have given even a lot less then I have, you claim you know something just because someone else said it and you call that research, no thank you.

I'm back. Now I'll show you unloading!
I'll have to disagree with the claim that "I've posted so many things of hearsay in here" and that "I have given less than you (motla68).
I present more treatises, citations, and such on this board than you have even contemplated existed.
Stop using the term "hearsay". You don't know what it means.
I see you didn't answer one single question. Not that I expected you to. You know not how.

Let's analyze an example of some of your "research" and hearsay:

Errors are highlighted in red.
No citations are highlighted in blue.



Commenting on what happened in 1933 and the change of that act, the limitation on gold ownership in the U.S. was repealed after President Gerald Ford signed a bill legalizing private ownership of gold coins, bars and certificates by an act of Congress codified in Pub.L. 93-373 [1] [2] which went into effect December 31, 1974. P.L. 93-373 does not repeal the Gold Clause Resolution of 1933, which makes unlawful any contracts which specify payment in a fixed amount of money or a fixed amount of gold. That is, contracts are unenforceable if they use gold monetarily rather than as a commodity of trade.

(Source (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?505-Man-makes-Dragon-Family-Claim!&p=5578&viewfull=1#post5578))

Could you cite where I may find the "Gold Clause Resolution of 1933" ... or will any B.S. do?
Where in this "Gold Clause Resolution of 1933" does it make gold clauses unlawful in contracts .... or will any B.S. do?
These public laws... if they are public, they are published, right? You can't find a copy of the P.L.s online ... or will any B.S. do?

shikamaru
12-10-11, 11:05 AM
Errors are highlighted in red.
No citations are highlighted in blue.



Commenting on what happened in 1933 and the change of that act, the limitation on gold ownership in the U.S. was repealed after President Gerald Ford signed a bill legalizing private ownership of gold coins, bars and certificates by an act of Congress codified in Pub.L. 93-373 [1] [2] which went into effect December 31, 1974. P.L. 93-373 does not repeal the Gold Clause Resolution of 1933, which makes unlawful any contracts which specify payment in a fixed amount of money or a fixed amount of gold. That is, contracts are unenforceable if they use gold monetarily rather than as a commodity of trade.

(Source (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?505-Man-makes-Dragon-Family-Claim!&p=5578&viewfull=1#post5578))

Now let's observe the evidence in contradistinction to the "research (hearsay)" above:

Trading with the Enemies Act of 1917 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_with_the_Enemy_Act_1917)
Emergency Banking Relief Act of 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Banking_Relief_Act)
Gold Reserve Act of 1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act)

Executive Order 6102 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102)
Invalidation and reissue of aforementioned executive order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102#Invalidation_and_reissue)
Campbell v. Chase National Bank of New York (1933) (http://174.123.24.242/leagle/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=19331615FSupp156_1125.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985)
Executive Order 6102 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102)
Executive Order 6111 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6111)
Executive Order 6260 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6260)
Executive Order 6261 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6261)

Default of the Fourth Liberty Bond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_bond#The_Default_of_the_Fourth_Liberty_Bon d)

Exchange Stabilization Fund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_Stabilization_Fund)

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?494-Campbell-v-Chase-National-Bank-of-New-York-%281933%29&p=5341#post5341

If anyone finds a "Gold Clause Resolution of 1933", let me know !!!

Now ... onward to title theory states vs. lien theory states.....

shikamaru
12-10-11, 11:29 AM
What is a mortgage?



MORTGAGE, contracts, conveyancing. Mortgages are of several kinds: as the concern the kind of property, mortgaged, they are mortgages of lands, tenements, and, hereditaments, or of goods and chattels; as they affect the title of the thing mortgaged, they are legal and equitable.

2. In equity all kinds of property; real or personal, which are capable of an absolute sale, may be the subject of a mortgage; rights in remainder and reversion, franchises, and choses in action, may, therefore, be mortgaged; But a mere possibility or expectancy, as that of an heir, cannot. 2 Story, Eq. Jur. 1021; 4 Kent, Com. 144; 1 Powell, Mortg. 17, 23; 3 Meri. 667.

3. A legal mortgage of lands may be described to be a conveyance of lands, by a debtor to his creditor, as a pledge and security for the repayment of a sum of money borrowed, or performance of a covenant; 1 Watts, R. 140; with a proviso, that such conveyance shall be void on payment of the money and interest on a certain day, or the performance of such covenant by the time appointed, by which the conveyance of the land becomes absolute at law, yet the, mortgagor has an equity of redemption, that is, a right in equity on the performance of the agreement within a reasonable time, to call for a re-conveyance of the land. Cruise, Dig. t. 15, c. 1, s. 11; 1 Pow. on Mortg. 4 a, n.; 2 Chip. 100; 1 Pet. R. 386; 2 Mason, 531; 13 Wend. 485; 5 Verm. 532; 1 Yeates, 579; 2 Pick. 211.

4. It is an universal rule in equity that once a mortgage, always a mortgage; 2 Cowen, R. 324; 1 Yeates, R. 584; every attempt, therefore, to defeat the equity of redemption, must fail. See Equity of Redemption.

5. As to the form, such a mortgage must be in writing, when it is intended to convey the legal title. 1 Penna. R. 240. It is either in one single deed which contains the whole contract - and which is the usual form - or, it is two separate instruments, the one containing an absolute conveyance, and the other a defeasance. 2 Johns. Ch. Rep. 189; 15 Johns. R. 555; 2 Greenl. R. 152; 12 Mass. 456; 7 Pick. 157; 3 Wend, 208; Addis. 357; 6 Watts, 405; 3 Watts, 188; 3 Fairf. 346; 7 Wend. 248. But it may be observed in general, that whatever clauses or covenants there are in a conveyance, though they seem to import an absolute disposition or conditional purchase, yet if, upon the whole, it appears to have been the intention of the parties that such conveyance should be a mortgage only, or pass an estate redeemable, a court of equity will always so construe it. Vern. 183, 268, 394; Prec Ch. 95; 1 Wash. R 126; 2 Mass. R. 493; 4 John. R. 186; 2 Cain. Er. 124.

6. As the money borrowed on mortgage is seldom paid on the day appointed, mortgages have now become entirely subject to the court of chancery, where it is an established rule that the mortgagee holds the estate merely as a pledge or security for the repayment of his money; therefore a mortgage is considered in equity as personal estate.

7. The mortgagor is held to be the real owner of the land, the debt being considered the principal, and the land the accessory; whenever the debt is discharged, the interest of the mortgagee in the lands determines of course, and he is looked on in equity as a trustee for the mortgagor.

8. An equitable mortgage of lands is one where the mortgagor does not convey regularly the land, but does some act by which he manifests his determination to bind the same for the security of a debt he owes. An agreement in writing to transfer an estate as a security for the repayment of a sum of money borrowed, or even a deposit of title deeds, and a verbal agreement, will have the same effect of creating an equitable mortgage. 1 Rawle, Rep. 328; 5 Wheat. R. 284; 1 Cox's Rep. 211. But in Pennsylvania there is no such a thing as an equitable mortgage. 3 P. S. R. 233. Such an agreement will be carried into execution in equity against the mortgagor, or any one claiming under him with notice, either actual or constructive, of such deposit having been made. 1 Bro. C. C. 269; 2 Dick. 759; 2 Anstr. 427; 2 East, R. 486; 9 Ves. jr. 115; 11 Ves. jr. 398, 403; 12 Ves. jr. 6, 192; 1 John. Cas. 116; 2 John. Ch. R. 608; 2 Story, Eq. Jur. 1020. Miller, Eq. Mortg. passim.

9. A mortgage of goods is distinguishable from a mere pawn. 5 Verm. 532; 9 Wend. 80; 8 John. 96. By a grant or conveyance of goods in gage or mortgage, the whole legal title passes conditionally to the mortgagee, and if not redeemed at the time stipulated, the title becomes absolute at law, though equity will interfere to compel a redemption. But, in a pledge, a special property only passes to the pledgee, the general property remaining in the pledger. There have been some cases of mortgages of chattels, which have been held valid without any actual possession in the mortgagee; but they stand upon very peculiar grounds and may be deemed exceptions to the general rule. 2 Pick. R. 607; 5 Pick. R. 59; 5 Johns. R. 261; Sed vide 12 Mass. R. 300; 4 Mass. R. 352; 6 Mass. R. 422; 15 Mass. R. 477; 5 S. & R. 275; 12 Wend. 277: 15 Wend. 212, 244; 1 Penn. 57. Vide, generally,, Powell on Mortgages; Cruise, Dig. tit. 15; Viner, Ab. h. t.; Bac. Ab. h. t., Com. Dig. h. t.; American Digests, generally, h. t.; New, York Rev. Stat. p. 2, c. 3; 9 Wend. 80; 9 Greenl. 79; 12 Wend. 61; 2 Wend. 296; 3 Cowen, 166; 9 Wend. 345; 12 Wend. 297; 5 Greenl. 96; 14 Pick. 497; 3 Wend. 348; 2 Hall, 63; 2 Leigh, 401; 15 Wend. 244; Bouv. Inst. Index, h. t.

10. It is proper to, observe that a conditional sale with the right to repurchase very nearly resembles a mortgage; but they are distinguishable. It is said that if the debt remains, the transaction is a mortgage, but if the debt is extinguished by mutual agreement, or the money advanced is not loaned, but the grantor has a right to refund it in a given time, and have a reconveyance, this is a conditional sale. 2 Edw. R. 138; 2 Call, R. 354; 5 Gill & John. 82; 2 Yerg. R. 6; 6 Yerg. R. 96; 2 Sumner, R. 487; 1 Paige, R. 56; 2 Ball & Beat. 274. In cases of doubt, however, courts of equity will always lean in favor of a mortgage. 7 Cranch, R. 237; 2 Desaus. 564.

11. According to the laws of Louisiana a mortgage is a right granted to the creditor over the property of his debtor, for the security of his debt, and gives him the power of having the property seized and sold in default of payment. Civ. Code of Lo. art. 3245.

12. Mortgage is conventional, legal or judicial. 1st. The conventional mortgage is a contract by which a person binds the whole of his property, or a portion of it only, in favor of another, to secure the execution of some engagement, but without divesting himself of the possession. Civ. Code, art. 3257.

13. - 2d. Legal mortgage is that which is created by operation of law: this is also called tacit mortgage, because it is established by the law, without the aid of any agreement. Art. 3279. A few examples will show the nature of this mortgage. Minors, persons interdicted, and absentees, "have a legal mortgage on the property of their tutors and curators, as a security for their administration; and the latter have a mortgage on the property of the former for advances which they have made. The property of persons who, without being lawfully appointed curators or tutors of minors, &c., interfere with their property, is bound by a legal mortgage from the day on which the first act of interference was done.

14. - 3d. The judicial mortgage is that resulting from judgments, whether these be rendered on contested cases or by default, whether they be final or provisional, in favor of the person obtaining them. Art. 3289.

15. Mortgage, with respect to the manner in which it binds the property, is divided into general mortgage, or special mortgage. General mortage is that which binds all the property, present or future, of the debtor. Special mortgage is that which binds only certain specified property. Art. 3255.

16. The following objects are alone susceptible of mortgage: 1. Immovables, subject to alienation, and their accessories considered likewise as immovable. 2. The usufruct of the same description of property with its accessories during the time of its duration. 3. Slave's. 4. Ships and other vessels. Art. 3256. (Source (http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier_m.htm))

Who are the parties to a mortgage?



MORTGAGEE, estates, contracts. He to whom a mortgage is made.

2. He is entitled to the payment of the money secured to him by the mortgage; he has the legal estate in the land mortgaged, and may recover it in ejectment, on the other hand he cannot commit waste; 4 Watts, R. 460; he cannot make leases to the injury of the mortgagor; and he must account for the profits he receives out of the thing mortgaged when in possession. Cruise, Dig. tit. 15, c. 2.

MORTGAGOR, estate's, contracts. He who makes a mortgage.

2. He has rights, and is liable to certain duties as such. 1. He is quasi tenant, at will; he is entitled to an equity of redemption after forfeiture. 2. He cannot commit waste, nor make a lease injurious to the mortgagee. As between the mortgagor and third persons, the mortgagor is owner of the land. Dougl. 632; 4 M'Cord, R. 310; 3 Fairf. R. 243; but see 3 Pick. R. 204; 1 N. H. Rep. 171; 2 N. H. Rep. 16; 10 Conn. R. 243; 1 Vern. 3; 2 Vern. 621; 1 Atk. 605. He can, however, do nothing which will defeat the rights of the mortgagee, as, to make a lease to bind him. Dougl. 21. Vide Mortgagee; 2 Jack. & Walk. 194. (Source (http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier_m.htm)).

shikamaru
12-10-11, 11:30 AM
What is a lien?



LIEN, contracts. In its most extensive signification, this term includes every case in which real or personal property is charged with the payment of any debt or duty; every such charge being denominated a lien on the property. In a more limited sense it is defined to be a right of detaining the property of another until some claim be satisfied. 2 East 235; 6 East 25; 2 Campb. 579; 2 Meriv. 494; 2 Rose, 357; 1 Dall. R. 345.

2. The right of lien generally arises by operation of law, but in some cases it is created by express contract.

3. There are two kinds of lien; namely, particular and general. When a person claims a right to retain property, in respect of money or labor expended on such particular property, this is a particular lien. Liens may arise in three ways: 1st. By express contract. 2d. From implied contract, as from general or particular usage of trade. 3d. By legal relation between the parties, which may be created in three ways; When the law casts an obligation on a party to do a particular act, and in return for which, to secure him payment, it gives him such lien; 1 Esp. R. 109; 6 East, 519; 2 Ld. Raym. 866; common carriers and inn keepers are among this number. 2. When goods are delivered to a tradesman or any other, to expend his labor upon, he is entitled to detain those goods until he is remunerated for the labor which he so expends. 2 Roll. Ab. 92; 3 M. & S. 167; 14 Pick. 332; 3 Bouv. Inst. n. 2514. 3. When goods have been saved from the perils of the sea, the salvor may detain them until his claim for salvage is satisfied; but in no other case has the finder of goods, a lien. 2 Salk. 654; 5 Burr. 2732; 3 Bouv. Inst. n. 2518. General liens arise in three ways; 1. By the agreement of the parties. 6 T. R.14; 3 Bos. & Pull. 42. 2. By the general usage of trade. 3. By particular usage of trade. Whitaker on Liens 35; Prec. Ch. 580; 1 Atk. 235; 6 T. R. 19.

4. It may be proper to consider a few, general principles: 1. As to the manner in which a lien may be acquired. 2. To what claims liens properly attach. 3. How they may be lost. 4. Their effect.

5. - 1. How liens may be acquired. To create a valid lien, it is essential, 1st. That the party to whom or by whom it is acquired should have the absolute property or ownership of the thing, or, at least, a right to vest it. 2d. That the party claiminig the lien should have an actual or constructive, possession, with the assent of the party against whom the claim is made. 3 Chit. Com. Law, 547; Paley on Ag. by Lloyd, 137; 17 Mass. R. 197; 4 Campb. R. 291; 3 T. R. 119 and 783; 1 East, R. 4; 7 East, R. 5; 1 Stark. R. 123; 3 Rose, R. 955; 3 Price, R. 547; 5 Binn. R. 392. 3d. That the lien should arise upon an agreement, express or implied, and not be for a limited or specific purpose inconsistent with the express terms, or the clear, intent of the contract; 2 Stark. R. 272; 6 T. R. 258; 7 Taunt. 278;. 5 M. & S. 180; 15 Mass. 389, 397; as, for example, when goods are deposited to be delivered to a third person, or to be transported to another place. Pal. on Ag. by Lloyd, 140.

6. - 2. The debts or claims to which liens properly attach. 1st. In general, liens properly attach on liquidated demands, and not on those which sound only in damages; 3 Chit. Com. Law, 548; though by an express contract they may attach even in such a case as, where the goods are to be held as an indemnity against a future contingent claim or damages. Ibid. 2d. The claim for which the lien is asserted, must he due to the party claiming it in his own right, and not merely as agent of a third person. It must be a debt or demand due from the very person for whose benefit the party is acting, and not from a third person, although the goods may be claimed through him. Pal. Ag. by Lloyd, 132.

7. - 3. How a lien may be lost. 1st. It may be waived or lost by any act or agreement between the parties, by which it is surrendered, or becomes inaplicable. 2d. It may also be lost by voluntarily parting with the possession of the goods. But to this rule there are some exceptions; for example, when a factor by lawful authority sells the goods of his principal, and parts with the possession under the sale he is not, by this act, deemed to lose his lien, but it attaches to the proceeds of the sale in the hands of hte vendee.

8. - 4. The effect of liens. In general, the right of the holder of the lien is confined to the mere right of retainer. But when the creditor has made advances on the goods of a factor, he is generally invested with the right to sell. Holt's N P. Rep. 383; 3 Chit. Com. Law, 551; 2 Liverm. Ag. 103; 2 Kent's Com. 642, 3d ed. In some cases where the lien would not confer power to sell, a court of equity would decree it. 1 Story Eq. Jur. §566; 2 Story, Eq. Jur. §1216; Story Ag. §371. And courts of admiralty will deeree a sale to satisfy maritime liens. Abb. Ship. pt. 3, c10. §2; Story, Ag. §371.

9. Judgments rendered in courts of record are generally liens on the real estate of the defendants or parties against whom such judgments are given. In Alabama, Georgia and Indiana, judgment is a lien; in the last mentioned state, it continues for ten years from January 1, 1826, if it was rendered from that time; if, after ten years from the rendition of the judgment, and when the proceedings are stayed by order of the court, or by an agreement recorded, the time of its suspension is not reckoned in the ten years. A judgment does not bind lands in Kentucky, the lien commences by the delivery of execution to the sheriff, or officer. 4 Pet. R. 366; 1 Dane's R. 360. The law seems to be the same in Mississippi. 2 Hill. Ab. c. 46, s. 6., In New Jersey, the judgments take priority among themselves in the order the executions on them have been issued. The lien of a judgment and the decree of a court of chancery continue a lien in New York for ten years, and bind after acquired lands. N. Y. Stat. part 3, t. 4, s. 3. It seems that a judgment is a lien in North Carolina, if an elegit has been sued out, but this is perhaps not settled. 2 Murph. R. 43. The lien of a judgment in Ohio is confined to the county, and continues only for one year, unless revived. It does not, per se, bind after acquired lands. In Pennsylvania, it commences with the rendering of judgment, and continues five years from the return day of that term. It does not, per se, bind after acquired lands. It may be revived by scire facias, or an agreement of the parties, and terre tenants, written and filed. In South CaroIina and Tennessee a judgment is also a lien. In the New England states, lands are attached by mesne process or on the writ, and a lien is thereby created. See 2 Hill. Ab. c. 46.

10. Liens are also divided into legal and equitable. The former are those which may be enforeed iu a court of law; the latter are valid only in a court of equity. The lien which the vendor of real estate has on the estate sold, for the purchase money remaining unpaid, is a familiar example of an equitable lien. Math. on Pres. 392. Vide Purchase money. Vide, generally, Yelv. 67, a; 2 Kent, Com. 495; Pal Ag. 107; Whit. on Liens; Story on Ag. ch. 14, §351, et seq: Hov. Fr. 35.

11. Lien of mechanics and material men. By virtue of express statutes in several of the states, mechanics and material men, or persons who furnish materials for the erection of houses or other buildings, are entitled to a lien or preference in the payment of debts out of the houses and buildings so erected, and to the land, to a greater or lessor extent, on which they are erected. A considerable similarity exists in the laws of the different states which have legislated on this subject.

12. The lien generally attaches from the commencement of the work or the furnishing of materials, and continues for a limited period of time. In some states, a claim must be filed in the office of the clerk or prothonotary of the court, or a suit brought within a limited time. On the sale of the building these liens are to be paid pro rata. In some states no lien is created unless the work done or the goods furnished amount to a certain specified sum, while in others there is no limit to the amount. In general, none but the original contractors can claim under the law; sometimes, however, sub-coutractors have the same right.

13. The remedy is various; in some states, it is by scire facias on the lien, in others, it is by petition to the court for an order of sale: in some, the property is subject to foreclosure, as on a mortgage; in others, by a common action. See 1 Hill. Ab. ch. 40, p. 354, where will be found an abstract of the laws of the several states, except the state of Louisiana; for the laws of that state, see Civ. Code of Louis. art. 2727 to 2748. See generally, 5 Binn. 585; 2 Browne, R. 229, n. 275; 2 Rawle R. 316; Id. 343; 3 Rawle, R. 492; 5 Rawle R. 291; 2 Whart. R. 223; 2 S. & R. 138; 14 S. & R. 32; 12 S. & R. 301; 3 Watts, R. 140, 141; Id. 301; 5 Watts, R. 487; 14 Pick. P,. 49; Serg. on Mech. Liens. (Source (http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier_l.htm))

shikamaru
12-10-11, 11:31 AM
Mere definitions are okay. What about the etymology of the term mortgage (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=mortgage&searchmode=none)?

What about the term, gage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gage_%28finance%29)? You've heard of a mortgage. What about a vif-gage (http://books.google.com/books?id=vmO1NHtbqtAC&pg=PA118&dq=vif-gage&hl=en&ei=tUHjTrbOAaWP0QHVhL3rBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=vif-gage&f=false)?

The cursory information is all well and good, but what about the origin, history, development, breadth, and depth of a mortgage?

http://books.google.com/books?id=rwczAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=law+of+mortgage&hl=en&ei=C0HjTsXHIYTv0gGT9p2JBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=law%20of%20mortgage&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=nZsDAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=law+of+mortgage&hl=en&ei=C0HjTsXHIYTv0gGT9p2JBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=law%20of%20mortgage&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=5R0zAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=law+of+mortgage&hl=en&ei=C0HjTsXHIYTv0gGT9p2JBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CF4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=law%20of%20mortgage&f=false

What about title theory states vs. lien theory states? (http://title.grabois.com/)

What about title theory states vs lien theory states (http://books.google.com/books?id=aAU9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA144&dq=title+theory+states&hl=en&ei=TkLjTpH6GOje0QGqq9j2BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=title%20theory%20states&f=false)?

Did you see what I did there, motla68?

There are dictionaries.
There are encyclopedias.
There is the etymology of the word.
There are treatises whether legal, historical, sociological, or others.
There are statutes, acts, rules, regulations, congressional reports, legal theories, and court cases on the subject.
There are the instruments themselves with its writings.
There are archives.

David Merrill
12-10-11, 01:55 PM
I presumed he was teasing us with HJR-192.

It becomes quite obvious that mort=death and gage=promise. Mortgage is a death-promise. There arises the word debt=death.

Fed banks buy and sell death by substitution. And in a world where peace is worthless. I read the Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace (http://www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf). I want to be quoted:


Peace is valuable.

shikamaru
12-10-11, 02:14 PM
I presumed he was teasing us with HJR-192.

It becomes quite obvious that mort=death and gage=promise. Mortgage is a death-promise. There arises the word debt=death.

Fed banks buy and sell death by substitution. And in a world where peace is worthless. I read the Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace (http://www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf). I want to be quoted:


Peace is valuable.

The interesting aspect concerning gage to me was the presumption it is an income producing asset.

The income from the asset goes to pay off the mortgage in the case of a vif-gage (live gage, promise).

Other items that interested me was who held what in terms of title, conveyance, and rights of redemption.

David Merrill
12-10-11, 02:51 PM
Thank you. That is worth processing. Vif-gage.

Michael Joseph
12-10-11, 05:15 PM
The interesting aspect concerning gage to me was the presumption it is an income producing asset.

The income from the asset goes to pay off the mortgage in the case of a vif-gage (live gage, promise).

Other items that interested me was who held what in terms of title, conveyance, and rights of redemption.

ASSETS. The property in the hands of an heir, executor, administrator or trustee, which is legally or equitably chargeable with the obligations, which such heir, executor, administrator or other trustee, is, as such, required to discharge, is called assets. The term is derived from the French word assez, enough; that is, the heir or trustee has enough property. But the property is still called assets, although there may not be enough to discharge all the obligations; and the heir, executor, &c., is chargeable in distribution as far as such property extends.

2. Assets are sometimes divided by all the old writers, into assets enter mains and assets per descent; considered as to their mode of distribution, they are 1egal or equitable; as to the property from which they arise, they are real or personal.

3. Assets enter maim, or assets in hand, is such property as at once comes to the executor or other trustee, for the purpose of satisfying claims against him as such. Termes de la Ley.

4. Assets per descent, is that portion of the ancestor's estate which descends to the heir, and which is sufficient to charge him, as far as it goes, with the specialty debts of his ancestor. 2 Williams on Ex. 1011.

5. Legal assets, are such as constitute the fund for the payment of debts according to their legal priority.

6. Equitable assets, are such as can be reached only by the aid of a court of equity, and are to be divided,, pari passu, among all the creditors; as when a debtor has made his property subject to his debts generally, which, without his act would not have been so subject. 1 Madd. Ch. 586; 2 Fonbl. 40 1, et seq.; Willis on Trust, 118.

7. Real assets, are such as descend to the heir, as in estate in fee simple.

8. Personal assets, are such goods and chattels to which the executor or administrator is entitled.

9. In commerce, by assets is understood all the stock in trade, cash, and all available property belonging to a merchant or company. Vide, generally, Williams on Exec. Index, h. t.; Toll. on Exec. Index, h. t.; 2 Bl. Com. 510, 511; 3 Vin. Ab. 141; 11 Vin. Ab. 239; 1 Vern. 94; 3 Ves. Jr. 117; Gordon's Law of Decedents, Index, h. t.; Ram on Assets.


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I find very few Laws or Statutes regarding "personal property" - yet there are many regarding "real property" or "real estate". Therefore why not LET out both the Legal AND Equitable Title to an Asset creating a USE in the Trustee such that the "avails, proceeds and profits" that are DERIVED from said asset become "personal property" to the Beneficial Interest CERTIFICATE HOLDER - bearer or named.

Property begs a Survey and Survey begs a Boundary [closed] = Trust.


Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

shikamaru
12-10-11, 05:24 PM
I find very few Laws or Statutes regarding "personal property" - yet there are many regarding "real property" or "real estate". Therefore why not LET out both the Legal AND Equitable Title to an Asset creating a USE in the Trustee such that the "avails, proceeds and profits" that are DERIVED from said asset become "personal property" to the Beneficial Interest CERTIFICATE HOLDER - bearer or named.

Property begs a Survey and Survey begs a Boundary [closed] = Trust.


Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Would the USE be vested in the trustee or the beneficiary or it depends based on forum of adjudication (Common Law vs. Equity)?
The term USE also refers to purpose.

Michael Joseph
12-10-11, 08:39 PM
Would the USE be vested in the trustee or the beneficiary or it depends based on forum of adjudication (Common Law vs. Equity)?
The term USE also refers to purpose.

It is like this: the Trustee Undertakes by paying a Grantor and the the Grantor performs by transferring the estate or a portion thereof to the Trustee - this forms the contract whereupon is the basis of Trust. Now then the Use is made in the Trustee for the benefit of another. We have not yet described the other yet have we.

Sometimes and in fact most times, the Grantor can make an Irrevocable Grant [absent strings attached] and then said man in the office of Grantor then takes the office of Beneficiary. Therefore the USE is made IN TRUST by TRUST AGREEMENT in the Trustee for the Beneficiary.

And then sometimes the Grant is NOT irrevocable whereby the Grantor may revoke the Grant or portion thereof for cause - depending on the TRUST AGREEMENT. Of course the Trustee may receive the Grant with or without consideration for Trustee Services.

Sort of Like The following:


THIS AGREEMENT, CONVEYANCE and ACCEPTANCE is made and entered onto at the time and on the date appearing in the acknowledgement attached hereto and made a part hereof as though fully set forth herein, by and between, Name of Grantor, Settlor and Creator, who drafted this EXPRESS TRUST as THE GRANTOR, SETTLOR AND CREATOR HEREOF, hereinafter “Creator” or “CREATOR”, and Name of First Trustee, ACCEPTOR and FIRST TRUSTEE hereof in joint tenancy who shall initially compose THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES for conducting said business.

THE CREATOR hereby constitutes and appoints the above-designated TRUSTEE (S) to be, in fact, TRUSTEE (S) of the TRUST hereby created and established. THE CREATOR for and in consideration of the objects and purposes herein set forth, the sum of Consideration in hand paid and other considerations of value, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, hereby agrees to arrange for exchange, conveyance or an assignment to be delivered to said TRUSTEE (S), IN TRUST – said TRUSTEE (S), and his or her successor’s in office, are to hold legal title in joint tenancy and not as tenants in common, to collectively act by virtue of this covenant as BOARD OF TRUSTEES under the name thereunder, dealing in equities, formulae, entities, patents, copyrights, business goodwill, or other Business desired to be engaged in by said TRUSTEE(S).


This declaration of a TRUST ORGANIZATION
Authorizes its TRUSTEE (S) to Operate Under
The Name of


NAME OF TRUST

PREAMBLE


All parties to this Contract are of lawful age to act and are mentally capable to Contract. All parties further acknowledge that they fully understand the obligations this Contract encompasses and imposes upon them and by their signature and seal do hereby accept their respective positions in this Contract creating this Trust.


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1. First there exists a contract and an exchange of consideration for said contract.
2. The Trustee pays for the Privilege to UNDERTAKE.
3. The Grantor Grants the Estate to the Trustee to hold in Trust FBO another.
4. The Trustee receives the Estate.

That in equal exchange for the conveyances ascribed in this Agreement, the Trustees shall issue to the Grantor(s) named herein one-hundred (100) Units of Beneficial Interest. These Units are non-transferable. The Trustee(s), on written order of the Grantor, shall transfer the future right to receive distribution of said 100 Units of Beneficial Interest to, and among, the designated Beneficiaries, if any, by cancelling the original written order of the Grantor(s) and issuing new Certificates of Beneficial Interest. The right of distribution of the Beneficial Interest is personal property of the holder and all rights of that personal property are possessed by the holder of the Certificate of Benefficial Interest.


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Questions:

What did the Trustee give to the Grantor for Consideration of the Estate?

What did the Grantor grant?

If I issue an original to another, can you now see that I am in office of Grantor and the other is in office of Trust, if accepted, as Trustee? See now a confidence reposed in another? Else why would I issue anything to another?



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Equity begs a kingdom. An Estate. For the question begging to be answered is: Equity as measured by what? In what?

shalom,
mj


P.S. Those who will not labor to know what the terms they USE mean are as children being tossed to and fro by what they do not know. Hosea 4:6. Notice in the following said TERMS are codified referencing some PRECEDENT. However, any student of Scripture knows that said Precedent is unnecessary as I can know each and every term just by Quoting Scripture verse by verse. However, I have cut/paste from what most people trust in - Precedent - by the way to there great shame - so that my presentment is more easily comprehended.

So that one may know the TERMS:

UNDERTAKING, contracts. An engagement by one of the parties to a contract to the other, and not the mutual engagement of the parties to each other; a promise. 5 East, R. 17; 2 Leon. 224, 5; 4 B, & A. 595.

UNDERTOOK. Assumed; promised.

USE, estates. A confidence reposed in another, who was made tenant of the land or terre tenant, that he should dispose of the land according to the intention of the cestui que use, or him to whose use it was granted, and suffer [allow] him to take the profits. Plowd. 352; Gilb. on Uses, 1; Bac. Tr. 150, 306; Cornish on Uses, 1 3; 1 Fonb. Eq. 363; 2 Id. 7; Sanders on Uses, 2; Co. Litt. 272, b; 1 Co. 121; 2 Bl. Com. 328; 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1885, et seq.

2. In order to create a use, there must always be a good Consideration; though, when once raised, it [the USE] may be passed by grant to a stranger, without consideration. Doct. & Stu. , Dial. ch. 22, 23; Rob. Fr. Conv. 87, n.


Notice. in USE, it is the CESTUI QUE USE who gives the orders. Notice to create the Use there MUST be Good Consideration. Said Consideration may be the allowance in the Trustee to take [TAKE is an interesting TERM] the profits [personal property = derivative of the estate].

TAKE. This is a technical expression which signifies to be entitled to; as, a devisee will take under the will. To take also signifies to seize, as to take and carry away.

Question: Entitled by whom? The answer lies above in Use.

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Consider a possibility of Two Trust formations within the NAME of INHERITANCE = Surname. Does not the Male Son in inherit in his Father's Name? Specifically, the wife does not keep her Father's Name but assumes her Husband's name. Therefore the inheritance is in the Father's Name. It is the Father who Granted the Certificate of Live Birth. It was the Father, overshadowing the Son who ALLOWED the Son's fingerprints/footprints and perhaps blood sample, to be placed upon said Certificate.

To whom was said Certificate made the LIVERY upon? Was it not an OFFICE OF STATE? Is the office of Doctor Alien to the State? What then of the Heir? Where is the Heir? The Estate has been transferred into Trust for the benefit of the Heir! So again, where is the Heir? The State has EVERY right to hear any matter concerning the NAME of INHERITANCE as the State has the Legal Title. But the Heir has the Equitable Title! So again, for the third time, where is the Heir? Is the Heir DEAD? Is this not a valid presumption? Else, where is the Heir?

Now a Certificate of Beneficial Interest issues from the Trustee back upon the Grantor .

Why would the Heir UNDERTAKE by USING said Certificate of Beneficial Interest as an ID to obtain Driver's License, SSN, etc? See now a man Undertaking for the Grantor [State]? Tell me again, gainsayers: Who issues the Driver's License? Is it not the State, as Grantor? Then, who then is the Trustee?

In the former scenario, the State as Trustee, with the Legal Title and the man, as Administrator/Beneficiary with the Equitable Title.

[B]In the latter scenario, the man as Trustee with the Legal Title [SUBJECT to EVERY statute made within the Trust Bylaws] and the Administration/Beneficiary in the State.

Maybe now you better comprehend why the Attorneys speak of TAXPAYER ENTITLEMENTS.


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This is the Technology of Balaam - Numbers 24-26. Israel must VOLUNTARILY bring a curse upon himself.

If you think me wrong, then show me why in LOGIC.

Treefarmer
12-11-11, 01:20 AM
Consider a possibility of Two Trust formations within the NAME of INHERITANCE = Surname. Does not the Male Son in inherit in his Father's Name? Specifically, the wife does not keep her Father's Name but assumes her Husband's name. Therefore the inheritance is in the Father's Name. It is the Father who Granted the Certificate of Live Birth. It was the Father, overshadowing the Son who ALLOWED the Son's fingerprints/footprints and perhaps blood sample, to be placed upon said Certificate.

To whom was said Certificate made the LIVERY upon? Was it not an OFFICE OF STATE? Is the office of Doctor Alien to the State? What then of the Heir? Where is the Heir? The Estate has been transferred into Trust for the benefit of the Heir! So again, where is the Heir? The State has EVERY right to hear any matter concerning the NAME of INHERITANCE as the State has the Legal Title. But the Heir has the Equitable Title! So again, for the third time, where is the Heir? Is the Heir DEAD? Is this not a valid presumption? Else, where is the Heir?

Now a Certificate of Beneficial Interest issues from the Trustee back upon the Grantor .

Why would the Heir UNDERTAKE by USING said Certificate of Beneficial Interest as an ID to obtain Driver's License, SSN, etc? See now a man Undertaking for the Grantor [State]? Tell me again, gainsayers: Who issues the Driver's License? Is it not the State, as Grantor? Then, who then is the Trustee?

In the former scenario, the State as Trustee, with the Legal Title and the man, as Administrator/Beneficiary with the Equitable Title.

[B]In the latter scenario, the man as Trustee with the Legal Title [SUBJECT to EVERY statute made within the Trust Bylaws] and the Administration/Beneficiary in the State.

Maybe now you better comprehend why the Attorneys speak of TAXPAYER ENTITLEMENTS.


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This is the Technology of Balaam - Numbers 24-26. Israel must VOLUNTARILY bring a curse upon himself.

If you think me wrong, then show me why in LOGIC.

Which is the former and which is the latter scenario in your post?
Would you point them out or highlight them please?
Thank you!

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 01:43 AM
Which is the former and which is the latter scenario in your post?
Would you point them out or highlight them please?
Thank you!

1ST SCENARIO:

Consider a possibility of Two Trust formations within the NAME of INHERITANCE = Surname. Does not the Male Son in inherit in his Father's Name? Specifically, the wife does not keep her Father's Name but assumes her Husband's name. Therefore the inheritance is in the Father's Name. It is the Father who Granted the Certificate of Live Birth. It was the Father, overshadowing the Son who ALLOWED the Son's fingerprints/footprints and perhaps blood sample, to be placed upon said Certificate.

To whom was said Certificate made the LIVERY upon? Was it not an OFFICE OF STATE? Is the office of Doctor Alien to the State? What then of the Heir? Where is the Heir? The Estate has been transferred into Trust for the benefit of the Heir! So again, where is the Heir? The State has EVERY right to hear any matter concerning the NAME of INHERITANCE as the State has the Legal Title. But the Heir has the Equitable Title! So again, for the third time, where is the Heir? Is the Heir DEAD? Is this not a valid presumption? Else, where is the Heir?

Now a Certificate of Beneficial Interest issues from the Trustee back upon the Grantor .

2ND SCENARIO:

Why would the Heir UNDERTAKE by USING said Certificate of Beneficial Interest as an ID to obtain Driver's License, SSN, etc? See now a man Undertaking for the Grantor [State]? Tell me again, gainsayers: Who issues the Driver's License? Is it not the State, as Grantor? Then, who then is the Trustee?

In the former scenario, the State as Trustee, with the Legal Title and the man, as Administrator/Beneficiary with the Equitable Title.

In the latter scenario, the man as Trustee with the Legal Title [SUBJECT to EVERY statute made within the Trust Bylaws] and the Administration/Beneficiary in the State.

Maybe now you better comprehend why the Attorneys speak of TAXPAYER ENTITLEMENTS.


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[B]Treefarmer: If you comprehend in Scenario 1 who is the Grantor? In Scenario 2: Who is the Grantor? Rhetorical Questions of course, but nevertheless in former (1st Scenario) : Man. In latter (2nd Scenario) :State.

Treefarmer
12-11-11, 02:23 AM
Thank you Michael Joseph, this explanation greatly aided my comprehension.

The answer to the question in the 2ND SCENARIO, "Why would the Heir UNDERTAKE by USING said Certificate of Beneficial Interest as an ID to obtain Driver's License, SSN, etc?" is easy: because the Heir was told to do so by parents, family members, teachers, elders, etc. The Heir was made to understand that bucking up against this system is equal to being a rebel, a villain, and an outlaw.

The answer to the question in the 1ST SCENARIO, "Where is the Heir?" is much more elusive. I would like to know the answer, because the UNDERTAKING business has never really worked out well for me.

Who can explain where the Heir is in the 1ST SCENARIO?

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 03:17 AM
The answer to the question in the 1ST SCENARIO, "Where is the Heir?" is much more elusive. I would like to know the answer, because the UNDERTAKING business has never really worked out well for me.

Who can explain where the Heir is in the 1ST SCENARIO?

Look in the mirror maybe you will then comprehend.

Of course the answers are so obvious as to not need answering. I do not concern myself with the 2nd Scenario. Knowing those things are a waste of my time. I am interested in what I can control. I lack the time or the interest to learn the bylaws and take an oath.

The Trust already exists. Why would I undertake to become trustee? I highly recommend watching the movie CLEOPATRA version 1963, the entire movie, but see the following starting at minute mark 4:15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSH0xy6F3dk&feature=related


The Queen adequately states "I know who you are, WHAT ARE YOU, at the moment?"

A supplicant is of course one who requests. Therefore a supplicant begs a benefit from a Grantor.

shikamaru
12-11-11, 11:15 AM
Alright, let me see if I can shorten this for myself.

The USE is vested in the Trustee.
The Trustee is also the Grantee.

Is the USE vested by legal title? If this is the case, the Trustee possesses the legal title.

The USE is a special class of conveyance (grant), therefore the conveyance is of special focus?

Write me a treatise, MJ!! :D
I'll settle for a pamphlet though.

shikamaru
12-11-11, 11:32 AM
If anyone finds a "Gold Clause Resolution of 1933", let me know !!!


It turns out I WAS WRONG!

There is a Gold Clause Resolution of 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Clause_Cases)!!

Resolutions are generally, not law unless passed by a president after both houses of congress agree on it. It has a temporary affect on matters. [Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., pg. 1310]

I didn't do my research thoroughly enough.

For this, I apologize to the board and to motla68 most of all :).

That's why I love you guys. I learn so much. Learn so much more in error.

Good stuff :D. Keep it coming and most of all, keep me on my toes.

David Merrill
12-11-11, 01:55 PM
Humble pie is always a lot less bitter than eating crow!

Motla68 sent me three PMs that I think were regarding this correction. - Rather than simply post blatant citation for everybody. I am just mentioning that for people to consider the troubled dynamic here.

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 04:17 PM
Alright, let me see if I can shorten this for myself.

The USE is vested in the Trustee.
The Trustee is also the Grantee.

Is the USE vested by legal title? If this is the case, the Trustee possesses the legal title.

The USE is a special class of conveyance (grant), therefore the conveyance is of special focus?

Write me a treatise, MJ!! :D
I'll settle for a pamphlet though.

yes, the Trustee would be the Grantee. And, furthermore, the Trustee would possess the Legal Title.

Anthony Joseph
12-11-11, 04:27 PM
A dual role, dual capacity, system in which lies both: 1) the ability, and the right of Divine appointment, to be an heir - and - 2) the possibility, and unfortunate likelihood for the majority of the time, to be a subject (trustee) to the estate originally created and granted to each of us. This is due to our lack of acknowledgement and coming forth as Heirs who are living, alive, competent, peaceable and rightful claimers to said estate.

The inheritance is a landed estate of property of our earthly bodies (land, dust) called the FIRST MIDDLE LAST (True Name + SURNAME). The creators of the land (body, baby) were mommy and daddy (obviously by the power of Yehovah who is Ultimate Owner of ALL Lands). The grantor of the estate is daddy in his SURNAME. The Certificate of Live Birth and Birth Certificates are Deeds to the land (body). Deeds require acknowledgement of BOTH parties in order to be EXECUTED. When not EXECUTED in law, the Deed is held in trust/escrow for the owner/heir; awaiting the coming forth of the rightful claim.

The actual mechanations of the proper steps of acknowledgement, execution and the compelling of performance are still somewhat elusive to me in order to bring these truths into fruition, with complete cooperation and absent unwarranted conflict, with the appointed guardians/wards of the estate.

I am in the midst of reading, studying and researching this aspect while I await the requested "Long Form" Certificate of Live Birth from the birth county clerk. I am with possession of the Birth Certificate which is potentially distinct from the COLB. Proper acknowledgement of both DEEDs and proper notice upon the trustees/servants of the acknowledged/executed estate is what I am concentrating on now.

Frederick Burrell
12-11-11, 04:44 PM
Thanks AJ for the translation into common english and your project sounds interesting. fB

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 05:16 PM
A dual role, dual capacity, system in which lies both: 1) the ability, and the right of Divine appointment, to be an heir - and - 2) the possibility, and unfortunate likelihood for the majority of the time, to be a subject (trustee) to the estate originally created and granted to each of us. This is due to our lack of acknowledgement and coming forth as Heirs who are living, alive, competent, peaceable and rightful claimers to said estate.

The inheritance is a landed estate of property of our earthly bodies (land, dust) called the FIRST MIDDLE LAST (True Name + SURNAME). The creators of the land (body, baby) were mommy and daddy (obviously by the power of Yehovah who is Ultimate Owner of ALL Lands). The grantor of the estate is daddy in his SURNAME. The Certificate of Live Birth and Birth Certificates are Deeds to the land (body). Deeds require acknowledgement of BOTH parties in order to be EXECUTED. When not EXECUTED in law, the Deed is held in trust/escrow for the owner/heir; awaiting the coming forth of the rightful claim.

The actual mechanations of the proper steps of acknowledgement, execution and the compelling of performance are still somewhat elusive to me in order to bring these truths into fruition, with complete cooperation and absent unwarranted conflict, with the appointed guardians/wards of the estate.

I am in the midst of reading, studying and researching this aspect while I await the requested "Long Form" Certificate of Live Birth from the birth county clerk. I am with possession of the Birth Certificate which is potentially distinct from the COLB. Proper acknowledgement of both DEEDs and proper notice upon the trustees/servants of the acknowledged/executed estate is what I am concentrating on now.

We are all actors on the stage. We may hold many capacities at once. We VOLUNTARILY undertook to become trustee, albeit in our ignorance, however, in equity noone has the responsibility to educate another. For the same Scripture that we place trust in also bears witness "if a man be ignorant, then let him be ignorant." Notice even Abram knew not to take benefits from the Sons of Heth or the king of Sodom. Therein we see "Cursed is the man who trusts in man". In my opinion, one without the Sanctuary [the temple is in deed cursed]. But one within the Sanctuary abiding with the most High is truly blessed [Reference Psalm 78]

Preamble: Psa 73:3 For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

Then Psalm 78. Then Psalm 37: 7, 20, 34 [an acrostic]

It appears that the Heir is LOST AT C. But it only Appears that way. Yehoshuah saying to Peter "The Children of the King are free." And if you are free, you are free IN DEED.

In a sense it is not really a DUAL role. One estate is left for another. It is as if the Heir completely abandoned his estate and went off to a foreign land to undertake for another. Does the Prodigal Son come to mind?

A little philosophy takes you away from God. A little more brings you back!

Shalom,
mj

Anthony Joseph
12-11-11, 05:55 PM
We are all actors on the stage. We may hold many capacities at once. We VOLUNTARILY undertook to become trustee, albeit in our ignorance, however, in equity noone has the responsibility to educate another. For the same Scripture that we place trust in also bears witness "if a man be ignorant, then let him be ignorant." Notice even Abram knew not to take benefits from the Sons of Heth or the king of Sodom. Therein we see "Cursed is the man who trusts in man". In my opinion, one without the Sanctuary [the temple is in deed cursed]. But one within the Sanctuary abiding with the most High is truly blessed [Reference Psalm 78]

Preamble: Psa 73:3 For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

Then Psalm 78. Then Psalm 37: 7, 20, 34 [an acrostic]

It appears that the Heir is LOST AT C. But it only Appears that way. Yehoshuah saying to Peter "The Children of the King are free." And if you are free, you are free IN DEED.

In a sense it is not really a DUAL role. One estate is left for another. It is as if the Heir completely abandoned his estate and went off to a foreign land to undertake for another. Does the Prodigal Son come to mind?

A little philosophy takes you away from God. A little more brings you back!

Shalom,
mj

I say dual role as it pertains to those who swore and entered into offices of trust - SO HELP ME GOD. I agree with your premise that we either claim and receive the original estate intended for us or we abandon it and undertake for another. The same oath-sworn structure/office in place can, and should, be able to deal with and administer both paths of choice in either ward/ruler capacity or trustee/servant capacity.

I am trying to gain the key of knowledge, and the proper path of action, to compel the latter role and capacity in peace and with cooperation from those who swore, and prayed to God, that they will perform that duty, as a free and charitable offer of service under God's Law and Will, or face His punishing authority at the time when He decides it prudent to Judge.

Proper and lawful acceptance, acknowledgement and proper and lawful livery of notice is what I seek to put into action.

Treefarmer
12-11-11, 07:18 PM
A dual role, dual capacity, system in which lies both: 1) the ability, and the right of Divine appointment, to be an heir - and - 2) the possibility, and unfortunate likelihood for the majority of the time, to be a subject (trustee) to the estate originally created and granted to each of us. This is due to our lack of acknowledgement and coming forth as Heirs who are living, alive, competent, peaceable and rightful claimers to said estate.

The inheritance is a landed estate of property of our earthly bodies (land, dust) called the FIRST MIDDLE LAST (True Name + SURNAME). The creators of the land (body, baby) were mommy and daddy (obviously by the power of Yehovah who is Ultimate Owner of ALL Lands). The grantor of the estate is daddy in his SURNAME. The Certificate of Live Birth and Birth Certificates are Deeds to the land (body). Deeds require acknowledgement of BOTH parties in order to be EXECUTED. When not EXECUTED in law, the Deed is held in trust/escrow for the owner/heir; awaiting the coming forth of the rightful claim.

The actual mechanations of the proper steps of acknowledgement, execution and the compelling of performance are still somewhat elusive to me in order to bring these truths into fruition, with complete cooperation and absent unwarranted conflict, with the appointed guardians/wards of the estate.

I am in the midst of reading, studying and researching this aspect while I await the requested "Long Form" Certificate of Live Birth from the birth county clerk. I am with possession of the Birth Certificate which is potentially distinct from the COLB. Proper acknowledgement of both DEEDs and proper notice upon the trustees/servants of the acknowledged/executed estate is what I am concentrating on now.
Thank you Anthony Joseph, you have a way with words that really works for me.
I'm with you in this project; it's what I've always known I would have to do, but until now I never even knew how to ask the right questions, let alone find the right tools and equipment for the journey.

My case is somewhat unique in that I was "born or naturalized" in the "United States" at the age of 25, and I bought land for cash and without a mortgage. So I may have two deeds on my hands which are awaiting my acceptance.

I already was in possession of a "green card" and an SS# at the time the offer for naturalization was extended to me.
What sticks out in my memory is when my mother, who was in charge of the process, told me in bewilderment that my German BC was not good enough for becoming a "US citizen" and that it would have to be "translated and put into a special format", at considerable cost, in order for the process to go through.
I said that I could probably live without that, but she said that she would pay for it and do it for me, if I wanted it.
I eventually took her up on the offer, not knowing the ultimate consequences of either accepting or declining.

The whole process struck me as being extremely convoluted and suspect at the time, because the progression of paperwork which I was asked to sign did not strike me as being the kind of paperwork which merely documents my presence as a human being.
Quite to the contrary; it seemed to be the kind of paperwork I would expect the Catholic Church to issue to a family who donates their female offspring to a closed convent.

I've never seen "my" US BC, which was purchased by my mother at such cost.
The process of "naturalization" started with lots of paperwork which was mailed to me, progressed to some personal interviews with INS officers, then more paperwork, and ultimately a "swearing-in ceremony" at a USDC in the city where I lived at the time, at the end of which I was issued a new SS card but with the same number as before, and a US passport application. I already had a STATE DL at the time, having had one since age 17.

I never came into possession of that BC though, and my mother tells me she cannot find it anymore.

Seems like the time has come for me to study up on deeds, and their acceptance and perhaps execution.
Execution sounds violent to me, but perhaps it is a necessary violence?

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 07:49 PM
I say dual role as it pertains to those who swore and entered into offices of trust - SO HELP ME GOD. I agree with your premise that we either claim and receive the original estate intended for us or we abandon it and undertake for another. The same oath-sworn structure/office in place can, and should, be able to deal with and administer both paths of choice in either ward/ruler capacity or trustee/servant capacity.

I am trying to gain the key of knowledge, and the proper path of action, to compel the latter role and capacity in peace and with cooperation from those who swore, and prayed to God, that they will perform that duty, as a free and charitable offer of service under God's Law and Will, or face His punishing authority at the time when He decides it prudent to Judge.

Proper and lawful acceptance, acknowledgement and proper and lawful livery of notice is what I seek to put into action.

I see now your perspective is from those who have sworn an oath and taken upon themselves a curse. See Nehemiah 10. But one who has taken the oath of office cannot TAKE against the WILL as that would not be LEGAL. So instead they are paid Administrative fees and will continue to be paid Admin fees until the Heir makes a proper claim.

Let us now go to LEGAL and realize why Equity and Legal courts merged. If 99.99% of the people are UNDERTAKING f.b.o. another [Cestui Que Use], then that would make them Trustees or at minimum Employees or Agent which essentially is equal to Trustee.


LEGAL. That which is according to law. It is used in opposition to equitable, as the legal estate is, in the trustee, the equitable estate in the cestui que trust. Vide Powell on Mortg. Index, h. t.

2. The party who has the legal title, has alone the right to seek a remedy for a wrong to his estate, in a court of law, though he may have no beneficial interest in it. The equitable owner, is he who has not the legal estate, but is entitled to the beneficial interest.

3. The person who holds the legal estate for the benefit of another, is called a trustee; he who has the beneficiary interest and does not hold the legal title, is called the beneficiary, or more technically, the cestui que trust.

4. When the trustee has a claim, he must enforce his right in a court of equity, for he cannot sue any one at law, in his own name; 1 East, 497; 8 T. R. 332; 1 Saund. 158, n. 1; 2 Bing. 20; still less can he in such court sue his own trustee. 1 East, 497.

LEGAL ESTATE. One, the right to which may be enforced in a court of law. It is distinguished from an equitable estate, the rights to which can be established only in a court of equity. 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1688.


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Tangent: A WILL begs a Testator. And a Testament is of no effect until the Testator is DEAD. Lets see if we can't find that in Scripture.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Therefore to speak of Will is confusing and leaves a presumption of Capacity. How about Free Act and Intent.

FREE. Not bound to servitude; at liberty to act as one pleases. This word is put in opposition to slave.

LIBERTY. Freedom from restraint. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature.

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My little foot prints and finger prints on a COLB are in a sense a LAND MARK - a way marker back to my BIRTH RIGHT.

LAND MARK. A monument set up in order to ascertain the boundaries between two contiguous estates. For removing a land mark an action lies. 1 Tho. Co. Litt. 787. Vide Monuments.

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The thing is that most in office of trust have left and been upon office of profit. They need no oath on office of profit and therefore it is a Thorn in their sides [ships of Chittim - Daniel 11]. The emperor who has no clothes. But the Rule is only in Knowledge and in Liability. There is no such thing as Limited Liability in Rulership.

Look again now at Darius and Daniel; and now how about Herod and John the Baptist? See now that a king's word is law; and therefore there is no limited liability. See now the Angels in Enoch 6 taking a vow amongst themselves - such that if one goes down all go down.


therefore:

Actions - implied trust

MUST MATCH

Words - express trust



shalom,
mj

P.S. The original "colonists [settlors] undertook on behalf of the king and his kingdom to settle the new lands. Later, the king set them at liberty [freedom]. Therefore we are indeed free in a certain estate as far as Law goes. And, therefore, we are free to become slaves or servants if we desire.

It will be a struggle for I believe only those at the top of the pyramid of power comprehend the nature of the trust structure. Compartmentalization and Departmentalization is effective indeed. How many times have you heard "I'm just doing my job". While the "office of peace officer" exists in the same man, he may also be upon "police officer". for instance notice that the sheriff wears a five pointed star on his shoulder and a six pointed star on his chest. Check out those Andy Griffith shows. Ole Andy would just turn his desk plaque around if he was going to marry someone - justice of the peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjMrK0mkHI

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 08:13 PM
I say dual role as it pertains to those who swore and entered into offices of trust - SO HELP ME GOD. I agree with your premise that we either claim and receive the original estate intended for us or we abandon it and undertake for another. The same oath-sworn structure/office in place can, and should, be able to deal with and administer both paths of choice in either ward/ruler capacity or trustee/servant capacity.

I am trying to gain the key of knowledge, and the proper path of action, to compel the latter role and capacity in peace and with cooperation from those who swore, and prayed to God, that they will perform that duty, as a free and charitable offer of service under God's Law and Will, or face His punishing authority at the time when He decides it prudent to Judge.

Proper and lawful acceptance, acknowledgement and proper and lawful livery of notice is what I seek to put into action.

IMO: You need not acknowledge that you are Beneficiary - that is evidenced in the Birth Certificate. and Livery of Notice is also taken care of as the Doctor in Hospital by and thru its Agents made the Livery - official transfer of - the COBL upon the correct office. Else there would be no BC.

liv·er·y (lv-r, lvr)

1. A distinctive uniform worn by the male servants of a household.
2. The distinctive dress worn by the members of a particular group; uniform: ushers in livery.
3. The costume or insignia worn by the retainers of a feudal lord.
4.
a. The boarding and care of horses for a fee.
b. The hiring out of horses and carriages.
c. A livery stable.
5. A business that offers vehicles, such as automobiles or boats, for hire.
6. Law Official delivery of property, especially land, to a new owner.

Anthony Joseph
12-11-11, 09:05 PM
IMO: You need not acknowledge that you are Beneficiary - that is evidenced in the Birth Certificate. and Livery of Notice is also taken care of as the Doctor in Hospital by and thru its Agents made the Livery - official transfer of - the COBL upon the correct office. Else there would be no BC.

liv·er·y (lv-r, lvr)

1. A distinctive uniform worn by the male servants of a household.
2. The distinctive dress worn by the members of a particular group; uniform: ushers in livery.
3. The costume or insignia worn by the retainers of a feudal lord.
4.
a. The boarding and care of horses for a fee.
b. The hiring out of horses and carriages.
c. A livery stable.
5. A business that offers vehicles, such as automobiles or boats, for hire.
6. Law Official delivery of property, especially land, to a new owner.


True, I do not seek to acknowledge that I am Beneficiary. I also know that the livery of the COLB and BC has been made.

However, what hasn't been acknowledged is the DEED itself by the grantee (you, us). True a Beneficiary has been named and livery has been made but the grantee to such inheritances has not completed/executed the process, hence the energy and increase of men and women is claimed by the wards/guardians of the estate.

This is why we are compelled to "pay" for everything associated with the NAME. Most people are in this "boat" (Lost at Sea).

My opinion is that an acknowledgement of these DEEDs must be performed in order to complete and execute the grant of estate and be upon equitable title. When this occurs, the wards/guardians who were "collecting" from us on behalf of the estate, must now recognize the EXECUTED grant by the Beneficiary (lawful owner/heir) and perform upon that distinct, AND NOW REQUIRED, office and duty of SERVICE. There should no longer be any collection claims served upon us and we are no longer obligated to "pay" for anything in that NAME. They may not have a "desk plaque" to turn around but they sure have a sworn oath under God that they are bound to.

It is the acknowledgement and EXECUTION of the DEED of estate in trust that I wish to perform and put into action by livery of NOTICE in order to compel performance from those who swore that they would do this duty - SO HELP ME GOD.

Michael Joseph
12-11-11, 11:17 PM
True, I do not seek to acknowledge that I am Beneficiary. I also know that the livery of the COLB and BC has been made.

However, what hasn't been acknowledged is the DEED itself by the grantee (you, us). True a Beneficiary has been named and livery has been made but the grantee to such inheritances has not completed/executed the process, hence the energy and increase of men and women is claimed by the wards/guardians of the estate.

This is why we are compelled to "pay" for everything associated with the NAME. Most people are in this "boat" (Lost at Sea).

My opinion is that an acknowledgement of these DEEDs must be performed in order to complete and execute the grant of estate and be upon equitable title. When this occurs, the wards/guardians who were "collecting" from us on behalf of the estate, must now recognize the EXECUTED grant by the Beneficiary (lawful owner/heir) and perform upon that distinct, AND NOW REQUIRED, office and duty of SERVICE. There should no longer be any collection claims served upon us and we are no longer obligated to "pay" for anything in that NAME. They may not have a "desk plaque" to turn around but they sure have a sworn oath under God that they are bound to.

It is the acknowledgement and EXECUTION of the DEED of estate in trust that I wish to perform and put into action by livery of NOTICE in order to compel performance from those who swore that they would do this duty - SO HELP ME GOD.


you make a very good point. Effectively the BC is evidence that the BC has been DE-Livered to someone; and, that someone has yet to come forth with a claim. And in the stead of a claim, that one has handled the BC such that the BC was "used" to obtain DL, SSN, etc. It is like this: "This card is property of the "insert name"; if you find this card and it does not belong to you, then return it to "the one who issued the card = Grantor". Now, if one who does not own Uses the Card then that one is now with the Liability of the Card.

A Certificate of Trust is not to be used to usurp the Trustee. It is to be evidence to the Trustee of the Beneficial Interest Holder. Therefore the Legal Title and the Estate belong to the Trustee, as Owner but the Equitable Title is in the Beneficiary. But in fact the Beneficiary has been asleep, in ignorance.

Now, then I am a proponent of "chain of command". As such, starting at County, then State, then Federal. And the more that I think about this matter the more I tend to lean towards the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. Eventually, I believe the claim must arrive at its steps. But only AFTER chain of command is followed.

Hey wait a minute. Are you saying you want to acknowledge the BC or the COLB? No way to acknowledge the COLB as you are the Grantor/Beneficiary. The BC too does not need acknowledging as it is just a certificate of Trust. Issued by the Trustee to the Beneficiary. So that the Trustee knows who the Beneficiary is for record keeping purposes.

Just try to get the Original COLB Back. No way in Hell is that going to happen. So then you get the next best thing. A Certified Copy from the Trustee of the Original.

Why take an Oath and put yourself under a Curse. Else obey Scripture. Do all things in my name, Yehoshuah. For the children of the King are Free.




shalom,
mj

Anthony Joseph
12-12-11, 05:40 AM
you make a very good point. Effectively the BC is evidence that the BC has been DE-Livered to someone; and, that someone has yet to come forth with a claim. And in the stead of a claim, that one has handled the BC such that the BC was "used" to obtain DL, SSN, etc. It is like this: "This card is property of the "insert name"; if you find this card and it does not belong to you, then return it to "the one who issued the card = Grantor". Now, if one who does not own Uses the Card then that one is now with the Liability of the Card.

A Certificate of Trust is not to be used to usurp the Trustee. It is to be evidence to the Trustee of the Beneficial Interest Holder. Therefore the Legal Title and the Estate belong to the Trustee, as Owner but the Equitable Title is in the Beneficiary. But in fact the Beneficiary has been asleep, in ignorance.

Now, then I am a proponent of "chain of command". As such, starting at County, then State, then Federal. And the more that I think about this matter the more I tend to lean towards the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. Eventually, I believe the claim must arrive at its steps. But only AFTER chain of command is followed.

Hey wait a minute. Are you saying you want to acknowledge the BC or the COLB? No way to acknowledge the COLB as you are the Grantor/Beneficiary. The BC too does not need acknowledging as it is just a certificate of Trust. Issued by the Trustee to the Beneficiary. So that the Trustee knows who the Beneficiary is for record keeping purposes.

Just try to get the Original COLB Back. No way in Hell is that going to happen. So then you get the next best thing. A Certified Copy from the Trustee of the Original.

Why take an Oath and put yourself under a Curse. Else obey Scripture. Do all things in my name, Yehoshuah. For the children of the King are Free.




shalom,
mj

You say the COLB or BC need not be acknowledged by the Beneficiary. You also state that the Beneficiary is also Grantor. This has me confused a bit. My thought was that my Dad was Grantor and I am the Grantee. These (COLBs, BCs) are DEEDs after all, aren't they? If so, the grantee must accept and acknowledge the grant in order for there to be EXECUTION. Absent that act, the DEED is defective since the original intent is not fulfilled. It lies abandoned and in limbo/escrow until such time as the proper claim is made - EXECUTION.

Perhaps you mean that we are GRANTOR only when we continue to stay asleep and ignorant. Since it is only we that could "offer up" said estate in complete ignorance, albeit lawfully, we unwittingly GRANT or transfer our right of inheritance to the appointed wards/guardians of the landed estate intended as our inheritance. We should have just come forth and EXECUTED the DEED and became owners/heirs of the property of said landed estate by the original intent. Instead, we granted it away and the UNEXECUTED defective DEED is claimed by the STATE by our own doing.

Or perhaps you mean we should GRANT the estate, once we EXECUTE the original DEED, to the STATE in LEGAL Title only as Trustee so that we retain equitable title and DOMINION absent the obligation or liability to perform under, or be subject to, the countless bylaws (codes, statutes, ordinances, etc.) of LEGAL titleship.

We exist and use at arm's length and enjoy the DOMINION we were Granted by Almighty God Himself.

Michael Joseph
12-12-11, 06:01 PM
You say the COLB or BC need not be acknowledged by the Beneficiary. You also state that the Beneficiary is also Grantor. This has me confused a bit. My thought was that my Dad was Grantor and I am the Grantee. These (COLBs, BCs) are DEEDs after all, aren't they? If so, the grantee must accept and acknowledge the grant in order for there to be EXECUTION. Absent that act, the DEED is defective since the original intent is not fulfilled. It lies abandoned and in limbo/escrow until such time as the proper claim is made - EXECUTION.

Perhaps you mean that we are GRANTOR only when we continue to stay asleep and ignorant. Since it is only we that could "offer up" said estate in complete ignorance, albeit lawfully, we unwittingly GRANT or transfer our right of inheritance to the appointed wards/guardians of the landed estate intended as our inheritance. We should have just come forth and EXECUTED the DEED and became owners/heirs of the property of said landed estate by the original intent. Instead, we granted it away and the UNEXECUTED defective DEED is claimed by the STATE by our own doing.

Or perhaps you mean we should GRANT the estate, once we EXECUTE the original DEED, to the STATE in LEGAL Title only as Trustee so that we retain equitable title and DOMINION absent the obligation or liability to perform under, or be subject to, the countless bylaws (codes, statutes, ordinances, etc.) of LEGAL titleship.

We exist and use at arm's length and enjoy the DOMINION we were Granted by Almighty God Himself.



Consider now a Warranty Deed to Trustee. The Deed is Made by a GRANTOR whereby a certain res is placed in trust to a Trustee [Grantee] for the benefit of the Beneficiary [Heir].

Therefore the Grantee is the Trustee. And the BC would be evidence of the acknowledgement of trust in the Trust Certificate issued back upon the Beneficiary as evidence of Beneficial Interest in the Trust.

For Example:

THIS WARRANTY DEED is made this [B]Date, by and between Person One, (hereinafter referred to as "Grantor"), and the hereinafter named Trustee (hereinafter referred to as "Grantee"):


End Example.....


I meant exactly what I wrote. The Warranty Deed is a Trust Indenture made between a Grantor/Trustee. The Contract forming the nexus of the Trust Agreement is made between a Grantor and a Trustee. Therefore it is the Trustee that Owns the Property for the benefit of a Beneficiary.


In my opinion, my own foot prints and my own finger prints and perhaps my own blood are upon the record known as COLB; and, therefore I also am Grantor and State = Grantee. And State EXECUTED and ACKNOWLEDGED the Grant by issuing a Certificate of Trust = Birth Certificate.

It is the duty of the GRANTEE [Trustee] to receive the COLB - cancel it and issue a Trust Certificate to the Beneficiary.

Depending on the Bylaws that govern the State, it is generally accepted that a Trust is NOT a legal entity that can hold title, but it is merely an AGREEMENT by which one party, the Trustee, holds title for the benefit of another, the Beneficiary.

TO HAVE AND TO HOLD:

TO HOLD. These words are now used in a deed to express by what tenure the grantee is to have the land. The clause which commences with these words is called the tenendum. Vide Habendum; Tenendum.

HABENDUM, conveyancing. This is a Latin word, which signifies to have.

2. In conveyancing, it is that part of a deed which usually declares what estate or interest is granted by it, its certainty, duration, and to what use. It sometimes qualifies the estate, so that the general implication of the estate, which, by construction of law, passes in the premises, may by the habendum be controlled; in which case the habendum may enlarge the estate, but not totally contradict, or be repugnant to it. It may abridge the premises. Perk. §170 , 176; Br. Estate, 36 Cont. Co. Litt. 299. It may explain the premises. More, 43; 2 Jones, 4. It may enlarge the premises Co. Litt. 299; 2 Jones, 4. It may be frustrated by the premises, when they are general; Skin. 544 but it cannot frustrate the premises, though it may restrain them. Skin. 543. Its proper office is not to give anything, but to limit or define the certainty of the estate to the feoffee or grantee, who should be previously named in the premises of the deed, or it is void. Cro. Eliz. 903. In deeds and devises it is sometimes construed distributively, reddendo singula singulis. 1 Saund. 183-4, notes 3 and 4; Yelv. 183, and note 1.

3. The habendum commences in our common deeds, with the words "to have and to hold." 2 Bl. Com. 298.; 14 Vin. Ab. 143; Com. Dig. Fait, E 9; 2 Co.55 a; 8 Mass. R. 175; 1 Litt. R. 220; Cruise, Dig. tit. 32, c. 20, s. 69 to93; 5 Serg. & Rawle, 375; 2 Rolle, Ab. 65; Plowd. 153; Co. Litt. 183; Martin's N. C. Rep. 28; 4 Kent, Com. 456; 3 Prest. on Abstr. 206 to 210; 5 Barnw. & Cres. 709; 7 Greenl. R. 455; 6 Conn. R. 289; 6 Har. & J. l32; 3 Wend. 99.


Shalom,
mj

Anthony Joseph
12-12-11, 07:24 PM
Here is a Commentary by Blackstone which rings relevent to the conversation:

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/blackstone/william/comment/book2.7.html

Anthony Joseph
12-12-11, 08:24 PM
Here is an interesting video commenting on the nature of the COLB and BC as DEEDs or perhaps DEATH CERTIFICATES.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RobbbRyder#p/u

Treefarmer
12-12-11, 11:54 PM
Here is an interesting video commenting on the nature of the COLB and BC as DEEDs or perhaps DEATH CERTIFICATES.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RobbbRyder#p/u

Every time I try to listen to Robb RYTLEWSKI I get the distinct impression that he has no idea what he is talking about.
I have never been able to sit through a whole video of his. Following his advice may not be a good idea, as in a blind-leading-the-blind scenario.

Anthony Joseph
12-13-11, 02:46 AM
Every time I try to listen to Robb RYTLEWSKI I get the distinct impression that he has no idea what he is talking about.
I have never been able to sit through a whole video of his. Following his advice may not be a good idea, as in a blind-leading-the-blind scenario.


Do not trust in "Robb RYTLEWSKI". Do not follow his "advice". Do not trust in a "feeling" of whether he is right or wrong but rather listen to the opinion, follow the citations and research and test it against the Laws of God and His Scripture. common law is the unwritten law of reason based on Divine Law. There have been many men who came before us that recognized that any law written or spoken is moot absent foundation in Divine Law.

I never trust in any one man's opinion or offerings without testing it against others and ultimately the Law of the Creator. If it fails the test then discard it; but don't discard it out of hand because you "feel" the messenger is the "blind leading the blind".

David Merrill
12-13-11, 11:25 AM
Expanding on a comment I read just yesterday the curse is found at Nehemiah 10 where the Babylonian Occupation in Israel (Jews) signed swearing to uphold the Law. Note that they read the law before the people (the beneficiaries). One day in the Messianic Jewish synagogue we thought the Law was the Torah (Pentateuch) and spent three hours reading the Book of Genesis out loud before we realized the "Law" was the Laws of Moses (http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4011/lawsofmoses.pdf) - Exodus 20-24:7. Skip to that last verse for a glimpse of the conditions (http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4528/lawsofmosespentateuch.pdf) - either sign on or die!

Chex
12-13-11, 04:19 PM
In the United States, license plates are issued by an agency of the state or territorial government, and in the case of the District of Columbia the District government. Some Native American tribes also issue plates. The U.S. federal government issues plates only for its own vehicle fleet and for vehicles owned by foreign diplomats. Are you foreign to the United States?

Until the 1980s, diplomatic plates were issued by the state in which the consulate or embassy was located. Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_States)

Since you want to operate a vehicle why don’t you go to the source and ask "How" to obtain the plate and requirements for insurance?

David Merrill
12-13-11, 11:10 PM
In the United States, license plates are issued by an agency of the state or territorial government, and in the case of the District of Columbia the District government. Some Native American tribes also issue plates. The U.S. federal government issues plates only for its own vehicle fleet and for vehicles owned by foreign diplomats. Are you foreign to the United States?

Until the 1980s, diplomatic plates were issued by the state in which the consulate or embassy was located. Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_States)

Since you want to operate a vehicle why don’t you go to the source and ask "How" to obtain the plate and requirements for insurance?

Brilliant!

Chex
05-23-12, 12:38 PM
I?m interested in getting a passport, but I?m confused on which one, and I don?t want to be charged for one:

? You are an officer or employee of the U.S. Government, traveling abroad for the U.S. Government
? You are the dependent of someone traveling abroad for the U.S. Government, and will accompany them on their assignment
? You are exempt by law from payment of the passport fee
? You have a letter from the American Battle Monuments Commission stating that you are traveling overseas in honor of a deceased family member in the U.S. Armed Forces

So I started to look up about the passports:

Link (http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_836.html), Link (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/825230-brown-us-passport.html), Link (http://www.askpedia.com/q/1DF8/Why_are_some_USA_passports_brown_instead_of_the_us ual_dark_blue), Link (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7hPKzLxP2HIA39VXNyoA?p=four%20colo rs%20for%20United%20States%20passports&fr2=sb-top&fr=b1ie7), Link (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1795/how-come-some-u-s-passports-are-different-colors)

Chex
05-23-12, 12:44 PM
A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies, which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

Blacks Law 6th.
CIVILIAN

Civilian. Private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the armed services, or (in England) the church. One who is skilled or versed in the civil law.

Civilis Civil, as distinguished from criminal.

Civilis a civil action.

Civilista In old English law, a civil lawyer, or civilian.

Civiliter Civilly. In a person's civil character or position, or by civil (not criminal) process or procedure. This term is used in distinction or opposition to the word "criminaliter, " -criminally,-to distinguish civil actions from criminal prosecutions.

Civiliter mortuus

Civilly dead; dead in the view of the law. The condition of one who has lost his civil rights and capacities, and is considered civilly dead in law. See Civil death.

Blacks Law 6th.

Chex
05-23-12, 12:58 PM
Citizens and non-citizen nationals
United States passports are issuable only to persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States ? i.e., citizens and non-citizen nationals of the United Stateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport#Citizens_and_non-citizen_nationals
A non-citizen national is a person born in one of the outlying possessions of the United States, including American Samoa and Swain?s Island, to a parent who is a non-citizen national. This is a person who is a U.S. national but not a U.S. citizen. Please call the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services National Customer Service Center at 800-375-5283 (TTY: 800-767-1833) for more information, or visit www.uscis.gov: http://www.network-health.org/glossary.aspx?id=136

The Department of State occasionally receives requests for certificates of non-citizen national status pursuant to Section 341(b)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 USC 1452(b)(2). http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_781.html

Now we are supposed to know this:
341 CERTIFICATES OF CITIZENSHIP OR U.S. NON-CITIZEN NATIONAL STATUS; PROCEDURE SEC. 341. [8 U.S.C. 1452]

(a) A person who claims to have derived United States citizenship through the naturalization of a parent or through the naturalization or citizenship of a husband, or who is a citizen of the United States by virtue of the provisions of section 1993 of the United States Revised Statutes, or of section 1993 of the United States Revised Statutes, as amended by section 1 of the Act of May 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 797), or who is a citizen of the United States by virtue of the provisions of subsection (c), (d), (e), (g), or (i) of section 201 of the Nationality Act of 1940, as amended (54 Stat. 1138; 8 U.S.C. 601), or of the Act of May 7, 1934 (48 Stat. 667), or of paragraph (c), (d), (e), or (g) of section 301 of this title, or under the provisions of the Act of August 4, 1937 (50 Stat. 558), or under the provisions of section 203 or 205 of the Nationality Act of 1940 (54 Stat. 1139; 8 U.S.C. 603, 605), or under the provisions of section 303 of this title, may apply to the Attorney General for a certificate of citizenship. Upon proof to the satisfaction of the Attorney General that the applicant is a citizen, and that the applicant's alleged citizenship was derived as claimed, or acquired, as the case may be, and upon taking and subscribing before a member of the Service within the United States to the oath of allegiance required by this Act of an applicant for naturalization, such individual shall be furnished by the Attorney General with a certificate of citizenship, but only if such individual is at the time within the United States.

(b) A person who claims to be a national, but not a citizen, of the United States may apply to the Secretary of State for a certificate of non-citizen national status. Upon-
(1) proof to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that the applicant is a national, but not a citizen, of the United States, and
(2) in the case of such a person born outside of the United States or its outlying possessions, taking and subscribing, before an immigration officer within the United States or its outlying possessions, to the oath of allegiance required by this Act of a petitioner for naturalization, the individual shall be furnished by the Secretary of State with a certificate of non-citizen national status, but only if the individual is at the time within the United States or its outlying possessions.

(c) [Subsection (c) was repealed by Sec. 102(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994 (Pub. L. 103-416, Oct. 25, 1994), effective as of April 1, 1995, under Sec. 102(d) of that Act.]
http://www.immigration-usa.com/ina_96_title_3.html

A "U.S. National" is defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408: http://www.famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/USNational.htm

Does anyone have a passport other that the color black?

During a Sunday interview with ABC News, House Speaker John Boehner threw his support behind the bill? certainly a big step towards its eventual passage. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-us-citizens-now-one-step-closer-becoming-permanent-tax-slaves

David Merrill
05-23-12, 03:50 PM
Mine is dark blue (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1236/wsaexampleukogaddress.pdf) in a black leather Passport wallet.

allodial
05-23-12, 04:12 PM
AFAIK a 'civillian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant)' (i.e. unlawful combatant status) can also be construed to be a belligerent re: "laws of war".

Chex
05-25-12, 02:09 PM
Does the blue passport recognize A "U.S. National" as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1408)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_US_national#Nationals_who_are_not_citizens

David Merrill
05-25-12, 10:29 PM
Does the blue passport recognize A "U.S. National" as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1408)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_US_national#Nationals_who_are_not_citizens



No. I have known serious petitioners applying for the US National passport and they never get it. I have seen the letters back from the State Department and they say that according to their records and place of birth etc. the petitioner is a US citizen and getting the proper passport is approved.

The WSA passport is based in UN Charter Law.

After evaluating the passport for a while my interpretation is that its function is to declare beforehand, when you enter a country what embassy you will be running to if you get into some serious hot water while visiting. Therefore the passport is pretty superfluous. You can run to the Korean embassy for example, but if you were not born or naturalized there you probably cannot get any help by doing so. Therefore if I was in South Africa and ran to the American Embassy for help then I could probably get it regardless of whether I had a passport or not, once I convinced them I was born in Colorado.

allodial
05-26-12, 03:41 PM
After evaluating the passport for a while my interpretation is that its function is to declare beforehand, when you enter a country what embassy you will be running to if you get into some serious hot water while visiting. Therefore the passport is pretty superfluous. You can run to the Korean embassy for example, but if you were not born or naturalized there you probably cannot get any help by doing so. Therefore if I was in South Africa and ran to the American Embassy for help then I could probably get it regardless of whether I had a passport or not, once I convinced them I was born in Colorado.

It probably comes down to who you pay for "protection services". Just like a home-owner in an unincorporated area can pay a sheriff, a police department or a security company for patrols.

shikamaru
05-26-12, 04:16 PM
A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies, which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

Blacks Law 6th.
CIVILIAN

Civilian. Private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the armed services, or (in England) the church. One who is skilled or versed in the civil law.

Civilis Civil, as distinguished from criminal.

Civilis a civil action.

Civilista In old English law, a civil lawyer, or civilian.

Civiliter Civilly. In a person's civil character or position, or by civil (not criminal) process or procedure. This term is used in distinction or opposition to the word "criminaliter, " -criminally,-to distinguish civil actions from criminal prosecutions.

Civiliter mortuus

Civilly dead; dead in the view of the law. The condition of one who has lost his civil rights and capacities, and is considered civilly dead in law. See Civil death.

Blacks Law 6th.

Civilian also refers to those learned in Admiralty Law particularly the students, attorneys, and judges of Admiralty practice.

David Merrill
05-27-12, 12:49 AM
It probably comes down to who you pay for "protection services". Just like a home-owner in an unincorporated area can pay a sheriff, a police department or a security company for patrols.

Like somebody who mentioned sales tax - protection services on the commercial district (downtown).

allodial
05-27-12, 01:56 AM
Like somebody who mentioned sales tax - protection services on the commercial district (downtown).

Exactly. Gangsta.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4589731488728292&id=058b429fd5fa10a8ff0e93edeafb5a91

outlierquest
05-27-12, 06:03 AM
"regardless of testosterone levels" lol Way to chastise the Mr. Man types

Jethro
05-27-12, 06:31 PM
I have seen the letters back from the State Department and they say that according to their records and place of birth etc. the petitioner is a US citizen and getting the proper passport is approved.

That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.

David Merrill
05-28-12, 01:53 PM
That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.


I think you must look at it from the State Department's perspective. If somebody is born or naturalized on the districts then they are within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment. They do not provide the mythical American National passport. I think another way of saying it is that if you are an American National you do not require a passport at all. If international flight tickets were free and I had time to sit in holding cells being treated like a terrorist I would do some scientific experimentation myself. I find the thought of traveling to Iran or Israel pretty intimidating.

allodial
05-28-12, 06:49 PM
If one writes JOHN APPLE SMITH for "Applicant" and provides a CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH the applicant will be construed to an entity born (i.e. chartered/created) per the particulars of the CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH. If you sincerely believe that you are that person then maybe fine who am I to tell you who you is or who you ain't is?--and would you like some refreshing fluoridated water to go with that?

849

If one does not know who or what one is then who can tell anyone anything? If you are John Apple then ...why are you so sure that you are the Applicant? Care for a game of Boggle?

850

Darkcrusade
07-14-12, 08:45 PM
It turns out I WAS WRONG!

There is a Gold Clause Resolution of 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Clause_Cases)!!

Resolutions are generally, not law unless passed by a president after both houses of congress agree on it. It has a temporary affect on matters. [Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., pg. 1310]

I didn't do my research thoroughly enough.

For this, I apologize to the board and to motla68 most of all :).

That's why I love you guys. I learn so much. Learn so much more in error.

Good stuff :D. Keep it coming and most of all, keep me on my toes. I've been gone for some little time and i wonder was that MOTLA68 last posting? Has he been kicked from StS??? Anyone? TY

shikamaru
07-14-12, 08:51 PM
I've been gone for some little time and i wonder was that MOTLA68 last posting? Has he been kicked from StS??? Anyone? TY

He's still around. I'll leave it at that.

Chex
08-03-12, 03:19 PM
shoot on sight: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204641/New-ID-cards-supposed-unforgeable--took-expert-12-minutes-clone-programme-false-data.html

powder
08-20-12, 01:43 PM
as usual (these days) late to the game.

There is a thread in success stories about 'self insurance'.

i have seen a commercial bus in Vancouver BC (some time ago) with a red license plate with EXEMPT at the top left, and the 'numbers' part of the plate was OHIO DOT #. (Ohio DOT was on the left at an angle occupying the spot of a number).

powder
08-20-12, 01:47 PM
as a general comment:

Why do those with knowledge as the questions?

How are you supposed to think for yourself if you do not understand how to arrive at the answer?

You have to be able to comprehend the situation, recognize invisible contracts - which was missed in this thread, and assess the best answer. If you cant think on your feet in a forum setting - forget it.

I personally used the self insurance in an encounter and the "officer" offered a citation for no insurance - 3 times - i countered with it is valid. it is private contract. no citation for no insurance was issued (about a 2000 $ fee).

shikamaru
08-20-12, 05:22 PM
as a general comment:

Why do those with knowledge as the questions?

How are you supposed to think for yourself if you do not understand how to arrive at the answer?

You have to be able to comprehend the situation, recognize invisible contracts - which was missed in this thread, and assess the best answer. If you cant think on your feet in a forum setting - forget it.

I personally used the self insurance in an encounter and the "officer" offered a citation for no insurance - 3 times - i countered with it is valid. it is private contract. no citation for no insurance was issued (about a 2000 $ fee).

You'll have to give us some of your war stories one of these days.

Frederick Burrell
09-19-12, 02:13 PM
as a general comment:

Why do those with knowledge as the questions?

How are you supposed to think for yourself if you do not understand how to arrive at the answer?

You have to be able to comprehend the situation, recognize invisible contracts - which was missed in this thread, and assess the best answer. If you cant think on your feet in a forum setting - forget it.

I personally used the self insurance in an encounter and the "officer" offered a citation for no insurance - 3 times - i countered with it is valid. it is private contract. no citation for no insurance was issued (about a 2000 $ fee).

Can you tell me more about your self insurance process. thanks. fB

EZrhythm
09-19-12, 05:49 PM
That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.

VERY GOOD or even a declaration of status, witnessed and recorded in a public venue, certified copies carried/issued. Properly rebut the presumptions, that's what it's all about!

EZrhythm
09-19-12, 05:50 PM
Can you tell me more about your self insurance process. thanks. fB

There is a thread in Success Stories regarding self insurance.

Chex
09-20-12, 12:46 PM
Starting in 2014, virtually every legal resident of the U.S. and those who will be should face up to their civic responsibilities. "We're no longer going to subsidize the care of those who can afford to buy insurance but make a choice not to buy it."

Incorporating the effects of new federal legislation The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional in a 5-4 decision this summer, finding that the insurance mandate and the tax penalty enforcing it fall within the power of Congress to impose taxes.

The penalty will be collected by the IRS, just like taxes.

The budget office said the penalty will raise $6.9 billion in 2016, Romney says insurance mandates should be up to each state. http://news.yahoo.com/tax-penalty-hit-nearly-6m-uninsured-people-194442599.html

Self insurance takes on a whole new meaning now doesn't it?

Dumitru Ivanov
10-06-16, 06:41 AM
Self insurance is a must in this economy.
It has its risks, to be sure, but at least for risky professions it's highly recommended.
___________________________________
Dumitru from Customs trucks (http://www.w2c.ca/page.Camionneurs.45.html)

David Merrill
10-06-16, 10:26 AM
Abracadabra makes such appearances. Appearances are often illusions.

Welcome Dumitri!

allodial
10-06-16, 09:32 PM
Starting in 2014, virtually every legal resident of the U.S. and those who will be should face up to their civic responsibilities. "We're no longer going to subsidize the care of those who can afford to buy insurance but make a choice not to buy it."

Incorporating the effects of new federal legislation The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional in a 5-4 decision this summer, finding that the insurance mandate and the tax penalty enforcing it fall within the power of Congress to impose taxes.

The penalty will be collected by the IRS, just like taxes.

The budget office said the penalty will raise $6.9 billion in 2016, Romney says insurance mandates should be up to each state. http://news.yahoo.com/tax-penalty-hit-nearly-6m-uninsured-people-194442599.html

Self insurance takes on a whole new meaning now doesn't it?

Insurance is a purchased indemnity. With insurance customers pay the company a fee (called a premium, deductible, etc.) in exchange for the insurance company agreeing to indemnify the customers for liabilities, costs or the like arising out of a motor vehicle or automobile incident. In other words they are PROMISE TO PAY the customer's liabilities or costs when incurred. As long as everyone drives safely and accidents are avoided, the insurance company gets to keep the money paid in. However, there can be additional expenses to pay for claims adjusters (or in the case of medical insurance: care managers or nurse managers).

It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out (or does it) the parallels between hazard bonds, surety bonds, bail bonds and the like and insurance. Also, in any case the insurance company is making a promise to pay in some unknown or known sum in money.

allodial
10-07-16, 11:20 PM
Does the blue passport recognize A "U.S. National" as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1408)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_US_national#Nationals_who_are_not_citizens

Those that hold public office are "citizens". It is one thing to be a citizen of the United States or a U.S. citizen and an entirely different thing to be citizen of one of the several states of America.

David Merrill
10-08-16, 12:23 AM
Those that hold public office are "citizens". It is one thing to be a citizen of the United States or a U.S. citizen and an entirely different thing to be citizen of one of the several states of America.

Yet it is still considered poppycock to try arguing such things.

allodial
10-08-16, 05:58 AM
Yet it is still considered poppycock to try arguing such things.

It may have to do with when a given state was chartered. For example, some constitutions required being 'citizen of the United States' for holding certain offices. Yet still, citizenship is distinct from nationality.

Chex
10-08-16, 01:52 PM
Yet it is still considered poppycock to try arguing such things.

The Code of Laws of the United States of America (variously abbreviated to Code of Laws of the United States, United States Code, U.S. Code, or U.S.C.) is the official compilation and codification of the general and permanent federal statutes of the United States. (http://uscode.house.gov/)

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401)
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

8 U.S. Code § 1408 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1408)- Nationals but not citizens of the United States at birth
Unless otherwise provided in section 1401 of this title, the following shall be nationals, but not citizens, of the United States at birth:
(1) A person born in an outlying possession of the United States on or after the date of formal acquisition of such possession;
(2) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are nationals, but not citizens, of the United States, and have had a residence in the United States, or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of such person;

Each justice or judge of the United States shall take the following oath or affirmation before performing the duties of his office: “I, ___ ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as ___ under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
(June 25, 1948, ch. 646 &c.) 28 U.S. Code § 453 - Oaths of justices and judges (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/453)

The lesson they do not teach in law schools (https://supremecourtcase.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/the-lesson-they-do-not-teach-in-law-schools-or-high-school-civics-classes-the-hoax-of-federal-jurisdiction-2/)or high school civics classes: the Hoax of Federal Jurisdiction..........

“—Territorial jurisdiction. Jurisdiction considered as limited to cases arising or persons residing within a defined territory, as a county, a judicial district, etc. The authority of any court is limited by the boundaries thus fixed. . . .” Henry Campbell Black, A Law Dictionary, Second Edition (West Publishing Co.: St. Paul. Minn., 1910) (hereinafter “Black’s 2nd”), p. 673.

allodial
10-08-16, 02:31 PM
I think it easily resolved if you observe the bonding rules. When operating machinery in public then one needs to be in authority. Anybody can make mistakes so authority is derived from being able to make restitution for errors in judgment. Ergo any perceptions that one need not register are only applicable to posting a bond - liquidity. If I have a $50K bond posted to cover my errors then I am understanding the state has no authority to make me register my vehicles. I can operate them in authority.

Since Delovio v. Boit (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYmE5MDFkN2EtNzhlMC00NzExLTg1NzE tNmUzNzVlYmZmYmU2&hl=en_US) (1815) however any insurance contract is made in admiralty. This was true since the invention of bottomry on the open seas but Justice STORY put it on the American Jurisprudence landscape as an irrefutable landmark.

Even Federal Reserve notes are insurance claims awaiting a claim of redemption so I think that in our post-1861 quasi-martial law world; martial rule, the best we can do is a series of redemption demands that are recognized by law. If you do not have a $50K bond to post, and must resort to insurance to establish your authority to operate a piece of heavy machinery rapidly in public then you might consider purchasing your vehicle (not Motor Vehicle) with lawful money - own the highest title - with a process similar to this (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1EaV_bU7VImYTEwZTk4NWQtZGFjNC00NjVkLWE5MjI tYWNjZDA3NGI5MGRm&authkey=CKqok6oO&hl=en_US&authkey=CKqok6oO). Additionally you should sign your driver license with your true name only and when you present it after an accident make it clear that your identity is as signed, and you are doing business as the TRUST on the card only for competency purposes, Rule E(8) Restricted Appearance (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_E) so that your insurance company will cover any claims you might make.

This way you remain in authority to be operating the vehicle in public because you can make any accident victims whole through your insurance policy but at the same time you only enter into the admiralty just the amount you need to to execute it in terms that may be understood by the police officer. In fact, you never even need to mention it - Rule E(8). You never form a person (Resident Scam (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6361/ensmingervfederallandba.pdf)) other than POLICY HOLDER with your driver license as identification. In fact you are not identifying yourself with the driver license at all, you use your signature as prima facie evidence of your competence. [Note that you never leave the law of the land - Article III jurisdiction (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1886/1617t.jpg) of the Constitution.]

Let the truth prescribe the process.

P.S. In other words, and you may quote me:

Peace is valuable.

That makes no sense to militia in a world where the economic system is built on commercial warfare - debt. In a peaceful world it makes absolutely no sense to buy and sell debt. Congress decided in 1934 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) that you making your demand for gold (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000411----000-.html) was sufficient to declare your character as peaceful inhabitant.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8906/pentagramofjurisdiction.jpg

It might come down to if the STATE is providing the bond, they feel they own you even if its a paltry, measly, puny $200. But if you are some other is providing the bonding, different matter. One thing, in estate planning with children in mind is that if a policy for your son or daughter requires some kind of way to identify them. And that said a best use--if not THE best use--of state ID is to identify the principal to a bond or insurance policy. However, a policyholder's certificate or some kind of insurance card suffices. The USPS regards insurance cards to be an acceptable form of ID.


Yet it is still considered poppycock to try arguing such things.

I know first hand of someone who prior to 1995 made an affidavit of having been born Free and Sovereign upon [name 1 of the original 12 or 13] land and who asserted status of say "Lawful Maryland National", the IRS deleted his entire tax record without hesitation. It was (not federal officers but) state-level d*ckheads (of one of the "states" established after the 1787 Constitution and/or after the Civil War) who tried to bypass and trespass upon his status for overt criminal reasons.

It might be that if you assert being "citizen of the State of {any established after 1861 or 1870}" they will read that as automatic U.S. citizenship in the sense of citizenship in a subdivision of the United States. Examples: State of Oklahoma, State Idaho, State Utah. Since I don't hold public office in I avoid asserting citizenship. Also, I have never asserted having 'constitutional rights' or insisted upon "my constitutional rights" and it has been established that my rights do not rely upon the 1787 Constitution for validity.


I prefer the approach that I will share all I can so that anybody, regardless of testosterone levels might be able to utilize my experience and expertise. The limitation of course is that I have to sanitize private information but I think the readers and members here have learned to live with that. Another drawback is I only keep one or two examples until they are replaced by better examples. The readers do not get to read all the great unsanitized examples that remedy is still extant in America.

I especially enjoy the success stories that come from people who have never talked to me, just been interested enough to inquire here and apply/execute process. That tells me that I have explained remedy clearly here.

The idea of testosterone causing aggressive behavior might be a intentionally-fabricated myth: "These data, along with our own, provides support for the notion that estrogen may play a significant role in the production of aggressive behavior in both sexes. (source (http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.82.8.4165))". Estrogen is the culprit. It would make sense that the presence of a female and her estrogen would trigger defensive and protective aggression in males. I have observed for decades men get along just fine, but once a woman enters the scene there is a tendency toward aggressiveness (many man realize this). So you have the motto that some chant to remind them of priorities: "Bros before hoes". I have met women who pride themselves on being sh#t-stirrers when it comes to the affairs of men--one even boasted of being a Scorpio in the same context and quite proudly so.

So it makes sense, at the same time while they sought to drive the Bible and morality out of the public and private, they start upping the estrogen inducing hormones in foods, while at the same time filling TV and movie screens with violence. Of course saying "its testosterone'..that is a clever way to hide the fact that excess estrogen is the culpritwhich is what they've been putting in the water and food.


I am my own house of record, I try to keep as much as humanly possible not throwing out the baby with the bath water. Sometimes there is little details you can go back to that were right on target and you did not know it at the time and also have new insight to old information, this helps to accelerate the learning process greatly. I only toss out that which I have combed over carefully to discover absolutely no further value.

Yes, having and hearing of successes are quite the motivator, especially when one is having a mental block.

At the very least it may be that one can use the an AG, Sheriff, county attorney or the like as a repository and keep certificates of service on hand.

DouglasOfAvalon
10-08-16, 02:34 PM
GREAT POST! I am well aware that consumer good are not required to be registered as I have been traveling with a plate that states that very thing for quite a while.641

Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

October 2010, 3:30 AM, suburban area with a population around 2,000,000.

I had pulled up to a four way intersection with traffic signals. I chose the left-turn-only lane and facing directly across from me was a city officer waiting for the light to make his turn. His turn comes up first and my friend and I watch him proceed to make a left and then a right in to a parking lot next to us. I was thinking that maybe he noticed that there isn’t a front plate on my car, looking for an excuse to initiate a stop and wants to wait to see what I do.
Upon my green arrow I completed a “U” and then a quick right to the corner gas station.
My friend walks over to the convenience store next to the gas station and I soon moved the car over to the store’s lot to catch up with him.
While on my way in to the store, my friend is finishing up at the register then heads out the door. During my perusal of beverages I didn’t notice that a second officer has arrived on the “scene” probably after some communication with the first officer. The second officer apparently has now noticed my 'PRIVATE PROPERTY' plate (Photo file attached) on the rear of the car and approaches my friend who is waiting for me outside next to the car. The officer asks him, how he got here and if he is with “the guy”, referencing to the one who was previously “driving” the car. My friend affirms to the officer.
After I am done at the register and walk to the door, the second officer opens the door for me and asks if I have any registration papers for the car.
I tell him that I do not and that the title has been “junked”.
He asks me if I think that I should have the car registered.
I tell him, “No” and he asks me, “Why not?”
I let him know, “Not for traveling to the store. I’m not ‘in commerce’.”
He then asks me if I am one of those who thinks you don't need to register.
I replied, “No… Unless I am ‘in commerce’.”

And then he begins to enter the store and says,

“It’s good. Don’t worry about it. I am not even going to #&$% with you. Have a good night.”

My friend says that he wouldn’t have believed it if he hadn’t seen it.
I may have to agree with him.



I wrote this paper... https://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-2015

allodial
10-08-16, 02:41 PM
[merged with above post (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?404-LAW-states-registration-not-required&p=23169&viewfull=1#post23169)]

allodial
10-08-16, 02:58 PM
[merged with above post (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?404-LAW-states-registration-not-required&p=23169&viewfull=1#post23169)]

DouglasOfAvalon
10-08-16, 03:22 PM
The Code of Laws of the United States of America (variously abbreviated to Code of Laws of the United States, United States Code, U.S. Code, or U.S.C.) is the official compilation and codification of the general and permanent federal statutes of the United States. (http://uscode.house.gov/)

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401)
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

8 U.S. Code § 1408 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1408)- Nationals but not citizens of the United States at birth
Unless otherwise provided in section 1401 of this title, the following shall be nationals, but not citizens, of the United States at birth:
(1) A person born in an outlying possession of the United States on or after the date of formal acquisition of such possession;
(2) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are nationals, but not citizens, of the United States, and have had a residence in the United States, or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of such person;

Each justice or judge of the United States shall take the following oath or affirmation before performing the duties of his office: “I, ___ ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as ___ under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
(June 25, 1948, ch. 646 &c.) 28 U.S. Code § 453 - Oaths of justices and judges (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/453)

The lesson they do not teach in law schools (https://supremecourtcase.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/the-lesson-they-do-not-teach-in-law-schools-or-high-school-civics-classes-the-hoax-of-federal-jurisdiction-2/)or high school civics classes: the Hoax of Federal Jurisdiction..........

“—Territorial jurisdiction. Jurisdiction considered as limited to cases arising or persons residing within a defined territory, as a county, a judicial district, etc. The authority of any court is limited by the boundaries thus fixed. . . .” Henry Campbell Black, A Law Dictionary, Second Edition (West Publishing Co.: St. Paul. Minn., 1910) (hereinafter “Black’s 2nd”), p. 673.


ALL written law (codes and stats) ONLY apply to "persons". A "person" is a non-living entity. A "legal name" IS a person. ALL persons MUST be registered to transact business legally for a profit in this state. ONLY persons may transact business. If a man attempts to do this, he gets spanked because he is claiming to be a person. Any man that claims to be a person, citizen, taxpayer, etc...places himself at risk. No one forces you to make this claim of being that person/legal name. I have found the answer.... https://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-2015

David Merrill
10-08-16, 03:39 PM
ALL written law (codes and stats) ONLY apply to "persons". A "person" is a non-living entity. A "legal name" IS a person. ALL persons MUST be registered to transact business legally for a profit in this state. ONLY persons may transact business. If a man attempts to do this, he gets spanked because he is claiming to be a person. Any man that claims to be a person, citizen, taxpayer, etc...places himself at risk. No one forces you to make this claim of being that person/legal name. I have found the answer.... https://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-2015

Welcome Douglas;

Speaking from knowledge, you should find that all law applies to "individuals". Take a look and let us know please. Maybe in the definition of "person"?

xparte
10-09-16, 03:16 AM
When a person is arrested The Man forgets how his impersonation or acting like that person is just a legal description. Evidence is a public place separating private from public is how its understood identity isn't MAN/WOMAN its NAMING a male/female person.

Chex
10-09-16, 02:59 PM
And what happens in court? When you admit to be the NAME on the charging papers, you’re offering yourself as a SURETY for the corporate NAME, so when the NAME is convicted, you assumed all the liability, including going to jail. BUT if you do the ASSUMED NAME REGISTRATION, you should have SEPARATED yourself from that legal fiction NAME. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBAbG-KF50)

Yes DouglasOfAvalon a lot more people are starting to realized the fraud the bankers did to everyone, for the love of their currency (https://www.google.com/search?q=bible+quotes+for+the+love+of+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

The Texas Department of Public Safety is a subsidiary of the United States Department of Homeland Security, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPhu1dZmPI) which is a subsidiary of the United States Secret Service, which is a subsidiary of the Treasury Department, which is owned the International Monetary Fund.

EVERYTHING IN COMMERCE IS FICTIONAL. (https://www.google.com/search?q=EVERYTHING+IN+COMMERCE+IS+FICTIONAL+-+UPDATED+5-11-2016&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=#q=EVERYTHING+IN+COMMERCE+IS+FICTIONAL)

allodial
10-09-16, 04:09 PM
When a person is arrested The Man forgets how his impersonation or acting like that person is just a legal description. Evidence is a public place separating private from public is how its understood identity isn't MAN/WOMAN its NAMING a male/female person.

Attorneys are 'evidence police'. Police (municipal/corporate internal enforcement) are their assistants. In ancient England, municipal corporations were known to collect revenue directly and turn it over the Treasury without involving the sheriff. So consider the municipal attorneys' role in collecting revenue and bodies for debts and how municipal police might serve as his helpers. However, if you don't live in the municipality or the county stables in the first place....


And what happens in court? When you admit to be the NAME on the charging papers, you’re offering yourself as a SURETY for the corporate NAME, so when the NAME is convicted, you assumed all the liability, including going to jail. BUT if you do the ASSUMED NAME REGISTRATION, you should have SEPARATED yourself from that legal fiction NAME. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBAbG-KF50)

'owner' can be synonymous with surety especially when one considers that things (such as mailboxes, sailboats and cars) are often personified. To 'own' does not necessarily mean "its exclusively mine".


Yes DouglasOfAvalon a lot more people are starting to realized the fraud the bankers did to everyone, for the love of their currency (https://www.google.com/search?q=bible+quotes+for+the+love+of+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

Perhaps they should also come to terms with the fraud they've been doing themselves and each other.



And what happens in court? When you admit to be the NAME on the charging papers, you’re offering yourself as a SURETY for the corporate NAME, so when the NAME is convicted, you assumed all the liability, including going to jail. BUT if you do the ASSUMED NAME REGISTRATION, you should have SEPARATED yourself from that legal fiction NAME. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBAbG-KF50)

Yes DouglasOfAvalon a lot more people are starting to realized the fraud the bankers did to everyone, for the love of their currency (https://www.google.com/search?q=bible+quotes+for+the+love+of+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

The Texas Department of Public Safety is a subsidiary of the United States Department of Homeland Security, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPhu1dZmPI) which is a subsidiary of the United States Secret Service, which is a subsidiary of the Treasury Department, which is owned the International Monetary Fund.

EVERYTHING IN COMMERCE IS FICTIONAL. (https://www.google.com/search?q=EVERYTHING+IN+COMMERCE+IS+FICTIONAL+-+UPDATED+5-11-2016&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=#q=EVERYTHING+IN+COMMERCE+IS+FICTIONAL)

If STATE OF TEXAS and other subdivisions of the United States are all property of the United States it would in some regard make a lot of sense if the Secret Service, part of the U.S. Department of the Treasury would be responsible for guarding U.S. property.

xparte
10-09-16, 11:09 PM
Forming the court based on the fiction is evident to everyone.We all been jailed paperwork possession is my term however the paperwork reads is all the law or legal evidence requires .No one is above the law and all being legally formed paperwork . OUR paperwork behavior on being arrested (such as mailboxes, sailboats and cars) the commercial address we know how traffic and traveling are registered actions . You inform or notice the municipalities of your fiction as it is a registered event and registered property is subjective to arraignment .PRIVATE PERSON with legal standing venue or re venue .The vehicle is you

David Merrill
10-10-16, 01:54 AM
I wrote this paper... https://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-2015

Thank you for sharing your paper.

Speaking for myself, I feel that I have walked that path and many years ago. Michael Joseph has been showing me how to articulate usage of property and property rights so that the creator-ownership makes some better sense to me now. And the law boundary really seems to be about redemption. Citizenship may have its points and even findings of fact, but for the most part, it is a mental law boundary that is easily ignored by you being alive on a certain jurisdiction. When it is really a matter of understanding redemption.

Making your demand.

But welcome just the same. Enjoy learning here. If you are like me, you will need to do this. I did.

Michael Joseph
10-10-16, 02:32 AM
Thank you for sharing your paper.

Speaking for myself, I feel that I have walked that path and many years ago. Michael Joseph has been showing me how to articulate usage of property and property rights so that the creator-ownership makes some better sense to me now. And the law boundary really seems to be about redemption. Citizenship may have its points and even findings of fact, but for the most part, it is a mental law boundary that is easily ignored by you being alive on a certain jurisdiction. When it is really a matter of understanding redemption.

Making your demand.

But welcome just the same. Enjoy learning here. If you are like me, you will need to do this. I did.

We happy beings in the good. For Adam is Wisdom and Eve is Love. And love is able to die to self for the common good.

BLBereans
10-10-16, 12:52 PM
Upon first glance, I also recognized the "welcome to the PERSON" gist of the paper; sort of for 'beginners' if you will. However, I did notice a very interesting nugget and angle while scanning:


“A person who does business for himself is engaged in the operation of a sole proprietorship. Anyone who does business without formally creating a business organization is a sole proprietor. Many small businesses operate as sole proprietorships. Professionals, consultants, and other service businesses that require minimum amounts of capital often operate this way. A sole proprietorship is not a separate legal entity, like a partnership or a corporation. No legal formalities are necessary to create a sole proprietorship, other than appropriate licensing to conduct business and registration of a business name if it differs from that of the sole proprietor.

Because a sole proprietorship is not a separate legal entity, it is not itself a taxable entity. The sole proprietor must report income and expenses from the business on Schedule C of her or his personal federal income tax return.”

This means that ALL income that “passes through” that business is tax exempt and since I am not the sole proprietor, I have no “personal income” and thus, no personal income tax liability. All the income is “business income” under the control of the “accountholder” which of course IS me and no tax filings are required whatsoever.

I struggle to find the tax target for the 'IRS' in this scenario.

The premise, if you read the paper, is to acquire an Assumed Name Certificate from the S.o.S. (Minnesota ONLY is the recommendation), which is like a d.b.a., using the full LEGAL NAME as the business entity and associating the given S.S.N. with it as its T.I.N. From that point of registration/certification, the LEGAL NAME used is a business NAME which is the sole proprietor of the sole proprietorship it conducts. It is now also in "good standing" and able to legitimately conduct business and commerce with other 'United States' entities as the law requires.

This further clarifies that the NAME is NOT you - good.

This makes use of the S.S.N. as being a business entity T.I.N. ONLY - good.

Any claim against LEGAL NAME after completing this simple process must now contend with the Assumed Name Certificate from the S.o.S. providing evidence that LEGAL NAME is a separate business entity and CANNOT be used for identification purposes.

If the A.N.C. is presented, any attempt to identify a man as that entity is Identity Fraud.

Seems like a straightforward and simple process which fits right in to the separation of man and PERSON idea.

Of course, the "accountholder" can still choose to have the sole proprietorship make demand for lawful money in ALL transactions. However, this seems to further, and more clearly, negate the presumption of identity with the LEGAL NAME and make LEGAL NAME recognized as a registered business entity in "good standing" that may legitimately conduct business and is able to defend itself against, or bring forth itself, claims in court.

I'd like to hear any opposing viewpoints regarding this.

Chex
10-10-16, 02:13 PM
The government agency that generally registers ALL legal business names “in this state” (which means “in the United States”) is the Secretary of State (SOS).

That’s statement is interesting.

By using this language, third parties will be put on notice that they are dealing with a legal entity (corporation, LLC, or limited partnership) with limited liability rather than an individual or general partnership (who assume personal liability for business obligations). Source http://www.minnesotaassumedname.com/

Here's a reported quote from Mark Zuckerberg: “There is some confusion about what our policy actually is,” the CEO wrote during a Facebook Q&A.
“Real name does not mean your legal name. Your real name is whatever you go by and what your friends call you. If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that.”

Here is Bill Duffy https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=10153185294828775

Here is BismoBeer Belly https://www.facebook.com/bismo.beerbelly

“The realm of commerce is not real and neither are any of those commercial laws (UCC) that are being thrown around on the internet.” https://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/EVERYTHING-IN-COMMERCE-IS-FICTIONAL-UPDATED-5-11-2016

Revised Article 9 contains a totally new set of provisions with respect to determining the sufficiency of a debtor name entered on a UCC financing statement.

These provisions separate Revised Article 9 law from the case law that should still apply both to pre-effective-date UCC financing statements and to all non- UCC notice filings.

However,

recent court cases have failed to recognize this difference. As a result, courts have been applying the wrong law to debtor name cases. To choose the right law, the court should first apply these two tests to any lien notice.

Trustee Recommendation: As part of your financing statement review procedures, make sure to consider whether the named debtor may have more than one correct name.

Especially with respect to individual names, do not assume that the obviously correct or full legal name is the only one a reasonable court will accept.

Only challenge debtor names that you are convinced are clearly and convincingly incorrect. Let a competing secured party do the heavy lifting if it wants to make a federal case based on a close call.

According to UCC §1-102(5)(a), words in the singular include the plural. The official commentary makes the point that according to this usage there may be more than one debtor or secured party listed on a financing statement.

However,

the commentary fails to note that the use of the word “name” includes its plural, “names,” as well.

Thus, there is no stricture in Revised Article 9 that a debtor may have only one name.

Question 1: What are all the correct names of the debtor under Rev. UCC §9-503?
https://www.cscglobal.com/cscglobal/pdfs/Adjudicate_Debtor_Name_Dispute.pdf

This “status” distinction becomes self-evident with the proper filing of the ANC and is EXTREMELY important for you to understand because if I do not own anything, NOTHING can be taken from me. If a person/entity (like the IRS) wishes to take something owned by my business, they must FIRST take this up with the courts and file a lawsuit against THAT “person” (which is the registered legal business entity, not me) that allegedly owes the IRS money/tax.

Why Do I Need a Registered Agent? https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/why-do-i-need-a-registered-agent

It seems like a lot of red tape to go through anyone person, registered legal business entity Trustee or a person of integrity to claim lawful money on a tax return (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ).

Other items of interest.

Apostille Authentication http://www.sos.state.mn.us/notary-apostille/

A notary public is a person of integrity appointed by the Governor to serve the public as an impartial and unbiased witness. http://www.sos.state.mn.us/notary-apostille/become-a-notary/

David Merrill
10-10-16, 04:12 PM
DBA is One in the Same Person:

4589


See how it fails to identify which one I do business as?

So by the posts above I feel that there is a much different take on identification. Start by considering I have exposed a criminal syndicalism of judiciary that evades bonding; therefore there is no authority other than by force for the Department of Revenue to prosecute me for perjury. In last week's Complaint to the chief justice at the Tenth Circuit Court of Original Jurisdiction (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImUDFUSTgzSERVd0k/view?usp=sharing) (not Appeals) for example I wish I had snapped a photo of the full page Oath that I Refused for Cause. Until Tim signs a proper bond, with the Secretary of State for a witness the whole complaint goes nowhere, because he is part of the fraud.

It matters not how big a band you gang up with in crime, it still separates you from God, from the Law. This is the essence of the PERSON as an individual. When one has coherent heritage and destiny, now is the time for peace. In late 1995 I filed my Certificate of Baptism from a Foursquare pastor into the transactions in the USDC Denver. This offer pulled a brick with my name on it from the Zigurat on the back of the US dollar:



https://youtu.be/SA57ix4jimc

It was a supporting brick, and this failure in the highly compressed information infrastructure opened the way for Securitization by all its names along the way (the next day was the first 31-Day Government Shutdown). I understood about the brick, I just did not get the Bailouts, Quantitative Easing, Housing Bubble, Stolen Notes - asset-backed feed-through certificates (Footnotes 4&6 (https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h8/Current/)), easy Debt Ceiling raising etc. in the original prophecy.

A big component was that two weeks prior I had filed it In Forma Pauperis - objecting to having to pay the filing fee in the currency issued by the IMFIRS. That was refused but on my way back from Denver I received a page from co-author of Are You Lost at C? offering to pay the filing fee! He would pay by credit card and the court would stay open late if I went back to sign approval...

??

I accepted but only if the In Forma Pauperis was refused. No go. I had to approve that day or pay myself. James Harlan was also a 32nd Degree Freemason. This takes some processing to get, how badly they needed that supporting brick with my name on it.

Compare the finding of facts; The IMF (http://www.imf.org/en/About/Factsheets/Sheets/2016/08/02/19/35/Review-of-the-Special-Drawing-Right-SDR-Currency-Basket).


...and a MLM Gold Bug looking to cash in on the loss of others' investments:


A new kind of money


Dear Reader,

The admission of the Chinese yuan to the IMF’s special drawing rights (SDR) basket on 30 September 2016 was another step on the road to world money.

I’ll explain what I mean by that.

The IMF executive board announced the decision to add the yuan to the baket – alongside the US dollar, the euro, the pound and the Japanese yen – in November 2015.

This decision was purely political. The yuan did not meet the criteria for a true reserve currency and is unlikely to meet them for at least a decade.

A reserve currency requires a deep, liquid sovereign bond market. It requires hedging instruments, settlement and clearing facilities and a good rule of law.

China has none of these. Without bond market infrastructure, reserve holders have little to invest in.

But as I say, the decision was political. And the political symbolism of letting the yuan into the club is important.

It anoints China as a full member of the international monetary system. Just a few weeks after the decision to include the yuan in the SDR, Paul Ryan, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, slipped a provision into a budget bill that increased China’s voting rights at the IMF. I created the delirium that secondary markets could be created upon the illusion debt has value, and now I will terminate it.

These triumphs for Chinese power went hand in glove with China’s manic efforts to acquire gold since 2006, best understood as an initiation fee for this exclusive club. Publicly, the elite always US disparage gold. Privately, they hoard it as proof against the day confidence in paper money dies.

The United States has more than 8,000 tonnes of official sector gold. The Eurozone has more than 10,000 tonnes and the IMF has more than 3,000 tonnes. China’s stealth acquisition of 4,000 tonnes, with more on the way, gives China a seat at the table with the other gold and SDR powers. An important point about of the SDR’s rise as world money is that you can’t have any.

SDRs are issued by the IMF to its member nations. The IMF also has authority to issue SDRs to multilateral organisations including the United Nations and World Bank.

Individuals cannot have them – not yet.

In time, a private market for SDRs will develop. Large corporations like GE, IBM and Volkswagen will issue SDR-denominated bonds.

Large banks like Goldman Sachs will make markets in those SDR bonds and write derivative contracts in SDRs for hedging. SDR bank deposits will expand in the same way that Eurodollar deposits expanded in the 1960s.

Imperceptibly, the dollar will go from being the world’s reserve currency to just another local currency. Important transactions will be counted in SDRs. World money will arrive on tiptoe.

Hedge fund and high-tech billionaires will discover they are billionaires in dollars only. The dollar itself will be devalued against the SDR, controlled by a small clique of countries beyond the reach of billionaires and their bankers.

World money means the dollar is worth what the G20 and IMF decide. Only gold is immune.

This is why tell investors they should have a 10% allocation to physical gold. If we enter a prolonged deflation and gold goes down, 10% isn’t going to sink you. But looking at the way major powers are hoarding gold, the metal could see a lot of upside if confidence in paper currencies evaporates.

That’s why you want to have some skin in the game.

And you may want to consider going further.

You see, a rare window has opened in the gold market.

And it means you could multiply your returns on gold several times over compared to owning bullion.

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I found this article (http://www.stockgumshoe.com/reviews/strategic-intelligence/is-september-30-really-d-day-for-the-u-s-dollar-as-jim-rickards-is-warning/) about Jim too.

The next thing you read is...




Risk warning

Your capital is at risk when you invest in shares – you can lose some or all of your money, so never risk more than you can afford to lose. All gains are gross unless stated otherwise...

It is amazing that nobody sees on any Federal Reserve asset report (http://https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/bulletin/1208assets.htm) gold will revalue to $42.22/fine troy ounce when it goes back into the system.

The LORD giveth, and the LORD taketh away. You watch. The end of Securitization draws nigh.

allodial
10-11-16, 03:19 PM
DBA is One in the Same Person:

4589

I could not help but be reminded by "Pastor" Tony King's encouragement to become "one with your strawman". The way branches are treated is that they are regarded to be separate persons. The one doing business as "X" is in fact seen as the owner or surety for X with X being a distinct and separate person. It is possible for X to transfer, sell, convey, bequeath their rights or interests in X to another meaning X is a separate person. However, if you are suggesting that David Merrill does business as DAVID MERRILL and also as DAVID MERRILL and intended to collapse them into the same person or suggest they were a singular entity that is what that form would suggest. It does not make David Merrill living sole one and the same as DAVID MERRILL, SOMEWHERE, CO. Unless of course you intended to bring arm's length down to culpability for and sameness with a legal entity.


It matters not how big a band you gang up with in crime, it still separates you from God, from the Law.

Well that is what some people think. I have seen a case wherein a suitor pointed that out. Something like this: "Defendants' actions and modus operandi betray an underlying belief that if they tell lies together and in concert somehow their felonies would convert into acts of good. However, no how much they tell lies or deceive the People or themselves or their victims, their crimes are in fact crimes and their offenses are in fact punishable under both the laws of this state and the laws of the United States." (its important to note that the case was against persons alleging to hold public office but not against any officers or public officials.)


This is the essence of the PERSON as an individual.

Individual and trust can at times be synonymous. Individual can refer to a component or member of something.


When one has coherent heritage and destiny, now is the time for peace. In late 1995 I filed my Certificate of Baptism from a Foursquare pastor into the transactions in the USDC Denver. This offer pulled a brick with my name on it from the Zigurat on the back of the US dollar:

It tells you that they know what sin is or is not. Its that they wish to remain in sin without acknowledging the salvation or Karma Management methods of the one named a Exodus 3:14-15. Playing possum works how? Instead, they require victims. Statutes of frauds requires certain things to be in writing and willing. Being surety for a stranger is to be surety for them as they have estranged themselves from the Most High. However, a writing produced through fraud is voidable and unenforceable. They know what they are doing. I have seen someone decline U.S. citizenship only to have his relatives (secretly Marxist and secretly involved in secret societies) freak out. They did what they could to make them impersonate the fiction. The dead are without jurisdiction over the living and they know it. He recognizes that they willingly estranged themselves and had attempted to force them to estrange himself. He declined the offer for cause.


A big component was that two weeks prior I had filed it In Forma Pauperis - objecting to having to pay the filing fee in the currency issued by the IMFIRS. That was refused but on my way back from Denver I received a page from co-author of Are You Lost at C? offering to pay the filing fee! He would pay by credit card and the court would stay open late if I went back to sign approval...

It would follow that everything in ACH/Credit Card land is clearinghouse credit (Automated Clearing House).


The LORD giveth, and the LORD taketh away. You watch. The end of Securitization draws nigh.

The end of false/forged/forced/coerced securitization and false-gospel Arbeit Macht Frei "salvation" through sweat and labor?

...

4592
Didn't we say that salvation is by works alone dammit!?!? Whose laughing now!

Anyone half awake should have been easily able to see the Nazis were snidely making the argument for salvation through works by hanging a sign "Arbeit Macht Frei" a snub in the face of both orthodox Christianity/Hebraism and Protestantism holding the view that salvation is through faith (even in the OT faith was key). You see the religious nature of World War I and World War II is right in your face.


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)


For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; Not of works, that no man may glory. Ephesians 2:8-9 Douay-Rheims


"...Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness..." James 2:23

Faith is *the* substance.


Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Hebrews 11:1-4

David Merrill
10-11-16, 04:29 PM
It might have been in the form of a bot, but Beijing hovers at www.bishopcastle.us and this might be related to Doc 6 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImdUdjemZtckxwZm8/view?usp=sharing) service plus Doc 12 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImN00wbG14S1pzUHM/view?usp=sharing) too. I suspect that there are servers inside that big palace.


4590

4591

There is a mirror complex across the road too.


Individual and trust can at times be synonymous. Individual can refer to a component or member of something.

Thank you for developing that. I am pondering that now, as you seem to see. This seems to come back to the law boundary - redeemed or deluded. One cannot fight their way off the battlefield. Whatever church you go to, follow the rules and you get peace. The individual is out of trust; breaking the law (bylaws).

Here is what I mean by 501(c)(3) bylaws - the Capture by Bill of Lading:

4593

All I have to do according to the "law" is enjoy some of that birthday cake the first Sunday of the month.



Being surety for a stranger is to be surety for them as they have estranged themselves from the Most High. However, a writing produced through fraud is voidable and unenforceable.


You touch upon a misunderstanding about Paul. Using the word "strangled" is the key to see that what Paul was teaching in Asia Minor (Turkey) was the Noachide Law (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImb1hlM2w5aUg1TU0/view?usp=sharing). That is the "stranger" - NAKAR from NOKRIY as in Noahide Laws. This really busts through a lot of veils in Messianic Jew Torah study! - Or draws blank looks... Paul was not convicted for his teachings in Asia Minor because he taught exactly the law boundaries he was supposed to. He was back in Jerusalem with Roman citizenship papers hoping for acceptance with the Babylonian occupation on the Temple Mount, as a liaison officer from Rome - as a Benjamite Jew. When he saw it was not going to go over well he aborted and lied about the ship docking in Cyprus.


He became an individual from all three law boundaries (citizenship).

1) Roman citizen
2) Jewish (Babylon) citizen
3) citizen in heaven (on earth)

I am saying this because I hear that over 50% of Americans are on the government dole. This model is of Paul's making as he ran to Felix in Tyre for protective custody.


1928 take on War by Propaganda. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImRnlDdFRQRnNUTFU/view?usp=sharing)

allodial
10-11-16, 04:46 PM
It might have been in the form of a bot, but Beijing hovers at www.bishopcastle.us

Its well known in certain circles that China pays attention to certain sites. If I recall correctly, the original purveyor of Australia the Concealed Colony (http://www.cirnow.com.au/fileuploads/AustraliaConcealedColony1.pdf)website (http://www.basicfraud.com) said that the Chinese government took care to crawl and download his site contents at least twice. But now even archive.org omits some of the contents (https://web.archive.org/web/20111224220359/http://www.basicfraud.com/) (the PDF documents). I noticed that only after a certain document was posted on this site did FRB St. Louis uploaded it to its own archives. Go figure. Those who believe all attorneys to be "in the know" are mistaken.

Re: Australia, IMHO what happened is that they established a territorial government (ala "the Australian Government" and the "Australian Parliament"--Canberra/ACT) and chose not to tell the Australians about the laws of succession with respect to the de jure Commonwealth of Australia.

4596


...Here is what I mean by 501(c)(3) bylaws - the Capture by Bill of Lading:...

4593

Perhaps the tax exemption is pottage? If one reads the bible its clear that "the children are free". What if, with some stretch, the IRS rules were a way of preventing spread of a counterfeit gospel? As in those that actually knew the truth wouldn't be asking for an exemption but instead would be asserting it.

4594

Paul likely knew that the lesser lights ruled the night (i.e. those in darkness), that the greater lights ruled the day (i.e. those in the light) and that in any case the Creator...

4595

...trumps.

David Merrill
10-11-16, 05:04 PM
Hmmm... pottage? As in vessels...

Nice food for thought. Thank you.


Potter's field. Where Judas went to mourn his failure to fulfill The Worthless Shepherd prophecy (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImd2pfaUU1YllTOVk/view?usp=sharing).

allodial
10-11-16, 05:22 PM
Potter's field. Where Judas went to mourn his failure to fulfill The Worthless Shepherd prophecy (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImd2pfaUU1YllTOVk/view?usp=sharing).

Re: Judas, Potter's Field
Ptah's field? Judas having fallen on his own sword seems to speak of a broken vessel. The redemptive power of blood vs silver vs blood money...hmm....

re: 501(c)(3)
No doubt, with that case out in Oregon when the IRS and bank returned those funds, they knew exactly why they returned them. So imagine 501(c)(3) having been written with the line of thought that "If you (alleged pastor-preacher) don't know the truth, you are counterfeit and you will be restricted (limited license) in your teaching." (Preaching pseudo-gospel like issuing currency based false weights and measures requires a special license!)


He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27

Re: Worthless/Foolish Shepherd
Zechariah 11 Fulfilled!
(revelationrevolution.org/zechariah-11-a-preterist-commentary/)

David Merrill
10-11-16, 08:03 PM
I almost used "licensure" in my post!

Chex
10-12-16, 12:53 PM
Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971. United States notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve notes. As a result, the Treasury Department stopped issuing United States notes, and none have been placed into circulation since January 21, 1971.

Does Russia use federal reserve notes?

"A new kind of money (http://www.truthandaction.org/23-countries-now-abandoning-us-dollar-2/)" The list of the 23 countries which are creating new swap lines outside of the dollar include China, Russia, India, and surprisingly, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. This means that the Eurozone itself is abandoning the dollar, and preparing for transition to a new central banking system. The only thing that stands in the way of the world’s final rejection of the dollar is the wavering trust that Saudi Arabia and OPEC have with the U.S. in assuring oil transactions remain denominated in dollars under the 1970’s Petrodollar agreement.


1970’s Petrodollar agreement (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp). After the collapse of the Bretton Woods gold standard in the early 1970s, the U.S. struck a deal with Saudi Arabia to standardize oil prices in dollar terms. Through this deal, the petrodollar system was born, along with a paradigm shift away from pegged exchanged rates and gold-backed currencies to non-backed, floating rate regimes. The petrodollar system elevated the U.S. dollar to the world's reserve currency and through this status, the U.S. is able to enjoy persistent trade deficits, and become a global economic hegemony. The petrodollar system also provides the United States’ financial markets with a source of liquidity and foreign capital inflows through petrodollar "recycling." However, before the effects of the petrodollars on the U.S. dollar can be examined, a brief history lesson is in order. (For more, see: Global Trade And The Currency Market and US-Saudi Relations: A Complex Scenario.)


The 1896-1901 Silver Certificate (https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/currency/currency-theme)depicts the allegorical vignette, History Instructing Youth. This certificate, part of the “Educational Series” of notes, depicts the Goddess History instructing a youth on the federal government.

allodial
10-13-16, 12:21 AM
FRNs pre-redemption fail to serve the function of affording the purchaser <direct> access to allodial title or probably even to decent fee simple title. FRNs are clearinghouse certificates of a private, federal clearinghouse. In the context of the Federal Farm among corporations and franchises, they serve little other purpose than FRNs because if the persons cannot attain to allodial title, they don't need US Notes or true sovereignty-backed money.

The Federal Reserve Act comes right into the context of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and the like because all of the Wall Street players are actually profiting off of what belong to the peoples' of the several states. I see the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934 and the Investment Company Act of 1940 as rules for the Grand Exchange as to the limitations on what can or cannot be done with the People's Stuff. So maybe the Players are hoping to mass murder the true creditors in the name of Humanitarian Globalism before the creditors get too much wiser?

The public debt being how much the territories owe the Crown/People.