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David Merrill
11-03-11, 10:08 PM
I thought this (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/808/1934redeemable20.pdf) interesting.

shikamaru
11-03-11, 11:05 PM
According to "the Informer", the U.S. Treasury has been abrogated for the department of the Treasury.
I would think U.S. Treasury Department is different from department of the Treasury.

David Merrill
11-03-11, 11:20 PM
I am not sure what that means - abrogated.

motla68
11-03-11, 11:23 PM
I thought this (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/808/1934redeemable20.pdf) interesting.

Yes it is pretty interesting, but how about we figure out what we can do with a instrument that is being used today?

UCC 3-104 Negotiable Instruments

(d) A promise or order other than a check is not an instrument if, at the time it is issued or first comes into possession of a holder, it contains a conspicuous statement, however expressed, to the effect that the promise or order is not negotiable or is not an instrument governed by this Article.

So if i am reading this correctly, to abrogate someone from negotiating a government issued instrument makes that instrument void?

ab·ro·gate (br-gt)
tr.v. ab·ro·gat·ed, ab·ro·gat·ing, ab·ro·gates
To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.

In and interest creates an estate, how we negotiate that instrument could depend what side of the treasury we are communicating with.

motla68
11-03-11, 11:30 PM
According to "the Informer", the U.S. Treasury has been abrogated for the department of the Treasury.
I would think U.S. Treasury Department is different from department of the Treasury.

It is all lies until someone discovers and verifies the artifacts for themselves. It would have been nice if you could provide some sort of reference to use that validates 3rd party hearsay.
Saves time debating the facts rather then slinging opinions back an forth.

David Merrill
11-03-11, 11:31 PM
I have heard about this abrogation - that it happened in 1921. I have never understood any reason that it affects me enough to verify it. I have seen arguments about it but never delved into the topic for the same reason.

I think Larry BECRAFT wrote an article about it; saying that something insignificant actually happened.

shikamaru
11-03-11, 11:44 PM
I have heard about this abrogation - that it happened in 1921. I have never understood any reason that it affects me enough to verify it. I have seen arguments about it but never delved into the topic for the same reason.

I think Larry BECRAFT wrote an article about it; saying that something insignificant actually happened.

What you are referring to is the abolition of the independent treasury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Treasury).

It dealt in specie. The Whigs destroyed it favoring a central bank. When the Democrats won in 1844, it was re-established. Banks in the system were subtreasuries.
The powers of these substreasuries and their funds were gradually transferred from them to district banks of the Federal Reserve.

In my opinion, this history is important since some factions were so hell bent on creating a centralized bank in the U.S.

"The Informer" also says that George Washington created districts in which to place the First Bank of the United States within it. These districts are also known as the States of <state> or "this state".

State of <blank> meaning the state belonging to <blank>.
There is the geographical state in addition to this fictional overlay or district.

We may even need to bring in federal territorial law.

motla68
11-03-11, 11:50 PM
What you are referring to is the abolition of the independent treasury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Treasury).

It dealt in specie. The Whigs destroyed it favoring a central bank. When the Democrats won in 1844, it was re-established. Banks in the system were subtreasuries.
The powers of these substreasuries and their funds were gradually transferred from them to district banks of the Federal Reserve.

In my opinion, this history is important since some factions were so hell bent on creating a centralized bank in the U.S.

"The Informer" also says that George Washington created districts in which to place the First Bank of the United States within it. These districts are also known as the States of <state> or "this state".

State of <blank> meaning the state belonging to <blank>.
There is the geographical state in addition to this fictional overlay or district.

We may even need to bring in federal territorial law.

I do not think the Independent treasury was, but will check a resource that I might have.

I believe that was in the Judiciary Act of 1789 for the districts.

shikamaru
11-03-11, 11:54 PM
I believe that was in the Judiciary Act of 1789.

Now this is bugging me...

Root and hog time ....

motla68
11-04-11, 12:07 AM
Now this is bugging me...

Root and hog time ....

Is everyone assumed to know who "the informer" is and that what he says is truth? or that we were assumed to be alive in the time George Washington was alive?
At least I gave a specific resource to work from.

shikamaru
11-04-11, 12:24 AM
Is everyone assumed to know who "the informer" is and that what he says is truth?

Those who are serious about researching this type of material know him quite well.

David knew who I was talking about.

Sarcastic questioning doesn't provide great cover for your ignorance.



or that we were assumed to be alive in the time George Washington was alive?
At least I gave a specific resource to work from.

I have already. You need to go to this thread: http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?452-The-Informer-James-Montgomery-Dr.-Frank-Wiswall-and-more-!!

You must have a short memory or something.

motla68
11-04-11, 12:55 AM
Those who are serious about researching this type of material know him quite well.

David knew who I was talking about.

Sarcastic questioning doesn't provide great cover for your ignorance.



I have already. You need to go to this thread: http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?452-The-Informer-James-Montgomery-Dr.-Frank-Wiswall-and-more-!!

You must have a short memory or something.

Really, i do not know the informer, never met and shook hands with him, never had a conversation with him so no I do not know him, it is just a voice on a audio file.

You should check out Part 1 again and take heed to what the man speaking is saying at the 11 min mark to the the 13 min. mark. It may prove to be more effective in your posts.

shikamaru
11-04-11, 12:59 AM
Really, i do not know the informer, never met and shook hands with him, never had a conversation with him so no I do not know him, it is just a voice on a audio file.

And that is called ignorance.
Glad you can admit it.
Admittance is the first step in rectification.



You should check out Part 1 again and take heed to what the man speaking is saying at the 11 min mark to the the 13 min. mark. It may prove to be more effective in your posts.

More effective than your sarcastic questions?

If this is going to turn into your usual session of derailment, save it for another thread. I'm speaking with David.

shikamaru
11-04-11, 01:10 AM
It is all lies until someone discovers and verifies the artifacts for themselves. It would have been nice if you could provide some sort of reference to use that validates 3rd party hearsay.
Saves time debating the facts rather then slinging opinions back an forth.

Does the CoreSource method fall into this realm?

motla68
11-04-11, 12:59 PM
And that is called ignorance.
Glad you can admit it.
Admittance is the first step in rectification.



More effective than your sarcastic questions?

If this is going to turn into your usual session of derailment, save it for another thread. I'm speaking with David.

No, I am just specifically pointing out that instead of saying " according to the informer " or " the informer said this " you might come up with the actual document he is referencing instead of having to root and hog through all of his audio files. I do not get it, is the informer your god or something?

motla68
11-04-11, 01:09 PM
Does the CoreSource method fall into this realm?

Wake up and pay attention, I said the Coresource group is no more. Each man has their own right to self determination, it does not matter what group name you come up with, even the name Savings To Suitors, people are going to do what they want to do by their own will and right to self determination. Personally though have now rejoined LMP - Like Minded People, we all are going in the same direction but with different ideas in how to get there. Some of us are independent and some of them ride on the coat tails of others, as we have seen here that will not change.

shikamaru
11-04-11, 08:56 PM
No, I am just specifically pointing out that instead of saying " according to the informer " or " the informer said this " you might come up with the actual document he is referencing instead of having to root and hog through all of his audio files. I do not get it, is the informer your god or something?

No, he's yours. Didn't you know that?

shikamaru
11-04-11, 08:59 PM
Wake up and pay attention, I said the Coresource group is no more.

When you wake up to information that I have already presented in a thread which you replied to, I'll wake up and pay attention to what ever you have to say.



Each man has their own right to self determination, it does not matter what group name you come up with, even the name Savings To Suitors, people are going to do what they want to do by their own will and right to self determination. Personally though have now rejoined LMP - Like Minded People, we all are going in the same direction but with different ideas in how to get there.

I'll call it CrapSource since name is immaterial.



Some of us are independent and some of them ride on the coat tails of others, as we have seen here that will not change.

Yep, I'm sure all your stuff is sooo independent based on nothing else in existence.
Wake me when you have a truly original idea.

Again ... pay attention now ... save it for another thread. You are derailing the discussion.

motla68
11-04-11, 09:16 PM
No, he's yours. Didn't you know that?

Can you prove it?

shikamaru
11-04-11, 09:20 PM
Can you prove it?

No need. You have faith.

motla68
11-04-11, 09:20 PM
When you wake up to information that I have already presented in a thread which you replied to, I'll wake up and pay attention to what ever you have to say.



I'll call it CrapSource since name is immaterial.



Yep, I'm sure all your stuff is sooo independent based on nothing else in existence.
Wake me when you have a truly original idea.

Again ... pay attention now ... save it for another thread. You are derailing the discussion.

This is hilarious, i got to root and hog through audio files because you do not hold yourself to the same standard you try to manifest upon me.

It is a hell of a lot more independent then your general references of hearsay.

shikamaru
11-04-11, 09:22 PM
This is hilarious, i got to root and hog through audio files because you do not hold yourself to the same standard you try to manifest upon me.

Glad you enjoyed the comedy.
Actually the thread had treatises too, but that would be too much for you to absorb.
Stick to the surface. Wouldn't want you to drown in substance.



It is a hell of a lot more independent then your general references of hearsay.

It's called giving reference to where the information comes from that one picked up.
When Crapsource rises to that level of independence ... oh wait ... never mind.... doesn't exist.

Me thinks you do not understand the term "research"?

What part of "you are derailing the discussion" do you not comprehend?

motla68
11-04-11, 09:41 PM
Glad you enjoyed the comedy.
Actually the thread had treatises too, but that would be too much for you to absorb.
Stick to the surface. Wouldn't want you to drown in substance.



It's called giving reference to where the information comes from that one picked up.
When Crapsource rises to that level of independence ... oh wait ... never mind.... doesn't exist.

Me thinks you do not understand the term "research"?

What part of "you are derailing the discussion" do you not comprehend?

Did the treatises have any reference to the districts? look again

motla68
11-04-11, 09:56 PM
What you are referring to is the abolition of the independent treasury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Treasury).

It dealt in specie. The Whigs destroyed it favoring a central bank. When the Democrats won in 1844, it was re-established. Banks in the system were subtreasuries.
The powers of these substreasuries and their funds were gradually transferred from them to district banks of the Federal Reserve.

In my opinion, this history is important since some factions were so hell bent on creating a centralized bank in the U.S.

"The Informer" also says that George Washington created districts in which to place the First Bank of the United States within it. These districts are also known as the States of <state> or "this state".

State of <blank> meaning the state belonging to <blank>.
There is the geographical state in addition to this fictional overlay or district.

We may even need to bring in federal territorial law.

Can you provide the document that backs up what the informer is referencing ?

shikamaru
11-05-11, 07:52 AM
Did the treatises have any reference to the districts? look again

The mentioning of the districts are in the audio.
"The Informer" also gives the paper trail to verify.

shikamaru
11-05-11, 07:55 AM
Can you provide the document that backs up what the informer is referencing ?

Some of the information will be locked away in archives, but upon visiting those archives you can discover the information.

The Independent Treasury of the United States and its relations to banks (http://books.google.com/books?id=d3YsAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA197&dq=independent+treasury&hl=en&ei=Quu0TrvEKMbJgQfXqtGuBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Banking Principles and Practice: the banking system in the United States (http://books.google.com/books?id=0skZAAAAYAAJ&dq=independent%20treasury&pg=PA225#v=onepage&q=independent%20treasury&f=false)
The rise and fall of the Independent treasury (http://books.google.com/books?id=vHkVAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA158&ots=BTpl_3n063&dq=abolition%20of%20the%20independent%20treasury%2 0system&pg=PA158#v=onepage&q=abolition%20of%20the%20independent%20treasury%20 system&f=false)
The operation of the new bank act (http://books.google.com/books?id=wSFKAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA184&ots=CDn2nSVPPW&dq=abolition%20of%20the%20independent%20treasury%2 0system&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q=abolition%20of%20the%20independent%20treasury%20 system&f=false)
The United States Independent Treasury System (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=an%20act%20closing%20the%20sub%20treasuries&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDMQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nps.gov%2Fhistory%2Fhistory%2 Fonline_books%2Ffeha%2Ftreasury.pdf&ei=6e60TrOLD5CFsgLL7szEAw&usg=AFQjCNEn4qtM71gy23taiotzGrIUbUkBOw&cad=rja)
The friends of a national bank seek to remove the sub-treasury scheme (http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/uregina/1841sub.html)
Banking system of the United States: closing of the subtreasuries (http://books.google.com/books?id=0skZAAAAYAAJ&dq=closing%20the%20sub%20treasuries&pg=PA284#v=onepage&q=closing%20the%20sub%20treasuries&f=false)

McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) (http://supreme.justia.com/us/17/316/case.html)

FRASER: digital documents on the First and Second Banks of the United States (http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/cbt/browse.php?collection_id=15)

motla68
11-05-11, 12:53 PM
The mentioning of the districts are in the audio.
"The Informer" also gives the paper trail to verify.

What is the cite he mentions or document? There is a lot of audio time to hunt through there, will you not do the same as I done for you?

shikamaru
11-05-11, 02:03 PM
What is the cite he mentions or document? There is a lot of audio time to hunt through there, will you not do the same as I done for you?

Standby.
Let me quickly go through my smartphone's mp3s.

668-The Informer on Dependence Day
Audio between 5 minutes and 11 minutes. I would listen to all 11 minutes for the build up, however.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?452-The-Informer-James-Montgomery-Dr.-Frank-Wiswall-and-more-

"The Informer" admonishes people to go through the archives of government to see this information for themselves.
I'm already convinced. His books and treatises that he recommends have proven solid as rocks.