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Inhisimage
06-07-12, 03:26 AM
LAW OFFICE
DILLER, RAMIK & WIGHT, P. C.
PATENT & TRADEMARK CAUSES
SUITE 101
7345 MCWHORTER PLACE
ANNANDALE, VIRGINIA 22003-5647
TELEPHONE
(703) 642-5705 .................................................. . .................................................. . FACSIMILE
(703) 642-2117

March 17, 1998

Pastor Raffael Perez
Eternal Gospel SDA Church
P.O. Box 15138
West Palm Beach, Florida 33416
Re: SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
SDA

U.S. reg. No. 1,177,185
Service Mark Infringement
False Designation of Origin
Unfair Competition

Dear Mr. Perez:
We are writing to you on behalf of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists whom we represent in matters involving proprietary intellectual property, including trademarks and service marks.

As I am sure you know, the General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists through the Seventh-day Adventist Church has used the name SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and the legally equivalent acronym SDA since at least as early as 1860 to the present and has obtained U.S. Reg. No. 1,177,185 for the goods and services set forth therein. Needless to say, the 138 years of substantially exclusive and continuous use of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and SDA is reflective of the exclusive ownership of these names by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Mr. Kermit L. Netteburg had written to you on several occasions, the last being November 5, 1997. We had hoped that your "willingness to stop using the initials 'S.D.A.'" would be followed by concrete action to this end. However, the advertisements Mr. Netteburg brought to your attention in his letter of September 15, 1997 have not ceased, and the continuance thereof maintains subsisting "a great deal of confusion."
U.S. Reg. No. 1,177,185 was contested in Cancellation Nos. 17554 and 18038 (Stocker and Perry v. General Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists) and the U. S. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board in its Opinion of February 15, 1996 stated:
In every instance made of record, the relevant public is exposed to the registered mark with the result that the primary significance of SEVENTH- DAY ADVENTIST to them is as an indicator of the source or origin of respondent's (Seventh-day Adventist Church) various goods and/or services.
. . . the evidence of record leads us to conclude that the primary significance to the relevant public of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST is that of a trademark/service mark when used in connection with religious books and/or services.

This decision is, of course, equally applicable to the acronym "SDA" which is legally equivalent to and means the same as -- SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST -- .
Your use of ETERNAL GOSPEL SDA CHURCH in your advertisements, your letterhead, your telephone listing and your associated ministry implies an association with and/or approval of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. There is no association between the parties, and your use of SDA or SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST does not have the approval of the Seventh-day Adventist Church or the General Conference Corporation.
Pursuant to 15 U.S.C. S1114:

Any person who shall, without the consent of the registrant . . . (a) use in commerce any reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation of a registered mark in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution or advertising of any goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive . . . shall be liable in a civil action by the registrant for the remedies hereinafter provided.
Even in the absence of a registration, 15 U.S.C. S1125(a) affords remedy by way of "a civil action by any person who believes that he or she is or is likely to be damaged" by third party usage of a trademark or service mark "likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive as to the affiliation, connection, or association of such person with another person, or as to the origin, sponsorship, or approval of his or her goods, services, or commercial activities by another person."

We trust that it will be unnecessary to enjoin by way of civil action your inequitable and illegal usage of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST or SDA, and that upon receipt of this letter we demand that you immediately cease and desist from using the latter expressions or any names, marks or expressions equivalent thereto in association with your advertising, activities and/or ministry.
We have advised the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the General Conference Corporation that we consider your use of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and SDA to be actionable under the Sections of Title 15 mentioned earlier herein. Accordingly, on behalf of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, we specifically demand that you immediaely:

Cease all use of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and/or SDA;
Cease all use of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and/or SDA in conjunction with your advertising, your telephone directory, your letterhead and any and all other business and ministerial activities presently performed directly by you or on your behalf utilizing either or both aforesaid Church's trademarks and service marks; and otherwise
Avoid all usage of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST and/or SDA likely to be confusd with these marks as used by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
We ask that you confirm compliance with these demands by signing the enclosed duplicate letter and returning the same to our office.
This letter is written without prejudice to all further rights of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the General Conference Corporation, including but not by way of limitation, rights to injunctive relief to obtain the cessation of your use of SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST or SDA, profits, damages and any attrneys' fees necessitated by your activities.

Very truly yours,
DILLER, RAMIK & WIGHT, P.C.



______________________________
Vincent L. Ramik
Enclosed: U.S. Reg. No. 1,177,185



Agreed to by: _____________________
Date: _____________________
For: Raffael Perez, Eternal Gospel SDA Church

David Merrill
06-07-12, 04:35 PM
This reminds me of an organization of the UN that arbitrates intellectual property disputes like this. Wow! That was so long ago I forget the acronym.

Inhisimage
06-07-12, 10:54 PM
Yes, Members are told, "The tithe is for the support of the ministry"
It is used for more than paying preachers, it also pays Catholic Lawyers.

856

Inhisimage
06-09-12, 03:56 AM
The "Church is a private Cooperation"


General Conference-Adventist
12501 Old Columbia Pike
Silver Spring, MD 20904-6601

General Conference-Adventist in Silver Spring, MD is a private company categorized under Clergy
Company Contacts

Jan Paulsen
Religious Leader

Eric Korff
Finance

Robert Lemon
Chief Financial Officer

David Merrill
06-09-12, 09:22 PM
This would be more interesting with some context.

What is the point?

It looks like another organization has been using SDA in their title and the larger, more established church organization objects.

Inhisimage
06-09-12, 10:06 PM
Yes, thats correct. I apologize for the lack of detail. The church is a corporation. It is business.

David Merrill
06-09-12, 11:30 PM
Thank you. I was hoping that what it means to you would make it more interesting to me.

Here is the UN organization - WIPO (http://www.wipo.int/portal/index.html.en).

Treefarmer
06-11-12, 03:49 AM
Inhisimage wrote: "Yes, Members are told, "The tithe is for the support of the ministry"
It is used for more than paying preachers, it also pays Catholic Lawyers."

I hope that you will develop this evidence trail further.

I would especially like to see evidence of the "Catholic Lawyers".
Are you referring to DILLER, RAMIK & WIGHT or others besides?

What do you know about these "Catholic Lawyers"?
What leads you to believe they are catholic?
Do you know these "Lawyers" personally?
Or have you seen their baptismal or church membership records, or observed them partaking of the communion wafer at a Catholic mass?

Inhisimage
06-11-12, 11:42 AM
Hello Farmer,

It is all hearsay. Just like your legal name is hearsay. You were there when you were born but, if you are like me you can't remember that far back so, you have no first hand knowledge and all the first hand wittiness are dead. So, it's all hearsay.


No, I don't have a copy of Ramik's baptism but, you do get to choose what you believe. Here is a source that causes me to "believe" Ramik is Catholic:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Vincent+L.+Ramik+Esq.+Church+Member+Ship&oq=Vincent+L.+Ramik+Esq.+Church+Member+Ship&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...5108.28430.1.40936.25.11.0.0.0.0.6127 .7886.2-2j1j1j1j9-1.6.0...0.0.aHfHvYgAETU&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f9be4f0b957a8550&biw=1252&bih=572

So now Farmer, choose! And while we are at it, do you know what the meaning of "is" is? and do you have any "proof" of your definition as to it's correctness?

David Merrill
06-11-12, 01:28 PM
It reminds me of a Richard GERE movie Primal Fear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9i0Z9X7lrU). GERE was a Chicago attorney defending a boy who was schizophrenic and had killed an archbishop. GERE defended the meek victim and then discovered that he had actually defended the evil 'alter'. The kid was actually evil and had developed the meek victim as the 'alter'!

Anyway, that movie had some undertones how the Chicago Bar was intricately woven into the Catholic church.

Inhisimage
06-11-12, 03:32 PM
Words from the "horse's mouth", so to speak:

Review: What did you find in her messages, Mr. Ramik? How did they affect you?
Ramik: Mrs. White moved me! In all candor, she moved me. I am a Roman Catholic; but, Catholic, Protestant, whatever—she moved me. And I think her writings should move anyone, unless he is permanently biased and is unswayable.

Source >>>> http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=EGWPlag&lang=en&collection=6&section=all&pagenumber=3

"She" must not have moved him much, he is still a Catholic!

Tree Farmer, there is value to the Writings of the Standish brothers, mostly truth about the Beast and his image but, satan has infiltrated the SDA and the sheeple are asleep

Treefarmer
06-11-12, 05:30 PM
Words from the "horse's mouth", so to speak:

Source >>>> http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=EGWPlag&lang=en&collection=6?ion=all&pagenumber=3



Now that's a good link, Inhisimage.
I enjoyed reading that interview. It's worthwhile to read to the end, where RAMIK is quoted saying:

"I?m not a religious person; I am not a practicing Roman Catholic. I was born one; but my wife happens to be a Protestant; one child is baptized a Catholic, one is baptized a Protestant. I guess you could say we are an ?ecumenical? family! Essentially, my outlook on anything, including this work and in my daily life, is searching for God?s will for me; and then, I hope, having the wisdom and courage to carry it out. I do have a God of my understanding."

Dr. Colin STANDISH, with whom I am personally acquainted, is said to have spoken with RAMIK himself at some point, and he had the opportunity to ask RAMIK of his religious persuasion. I will try to find out what RAMIK said to Colin STANDISH in answer to the question.

I agree that haSatan has managed to infiltrate the Seventh-Day Adventist Church hierarchy, which is a fulfillment of prophecy and was predicted beforehand by E. G. WHITE in her writings.

But this fact does by no means excuse Catholic bashing. Just because someone professes to be catholic or born catholic, does not automatically make him/her a bad person. Right now God has His people in most, if not all denominations.
I have personally met some fine, upstanding Catholics who are loving people and who are very sincere in their beliefs.

The three angels' message of Revelation 14 is for all of earth's inhabitants, including Catholics and lawyers.

Treefarmer
06-11-12, 06:28 PM
Here is an eyewitness report (http://www.csda-adventistchurch.to/Farrell_SDA_Trademark_Trial_Summary.html) of the so-called "Trademark Trial" which Inhisimage appears to be referencing.

Here are the court transcripts (http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-T/Flor-TM-Trial-analysis.pdf) of the trademark case, which seems to have important implications for religious liberty in general.
I have not read most of the transcripts. Looks interesting though.

Inhisimage
06-11-12, 09:14 PM
Thanks for your response Farmer,

I'll read the trial transcript later-short on time right now

David Merrill
06-11-12, 09:51 PM
Thank you Treefarmer.

Inhisimage
06-12-12, 01:10 AM
OK back now ...Thanks Farmer I read the stuff. It substantiates what I previously said:

Inhisimage wrote: "Yes, Members are told, "The tithe is for the support of the ministry"
It is used for more than paying preachers, it also pays Catholic Lawyers."

And, from Farmers stuff:

"So that case, which ultimately cost the denomination over $6 million in tithe money, never had a court trial."

"Vincent Ramik, a faithful Roman Catholic believer who, from his law office in Annandale, Virginia, has been the prime mover in frightening faithful Adventists to give up their God-appointed name and suing those who refused to do so; he is always the head man in every General Conference trademark lawsuit. We have stated, in earlier publications, that the Vatican must be very proud of the good work their son is carrying on in the Adventist denomination. Astoundingly, he is paid a high wage to frighten historic Adventists (the ones that Rome fears the most) into abandoning their faith."

Huh sounds like a little Catholic bashing?

Say Jerry ...uh I mean Farmer, things ok there in Franklin?
Here is a document from the Florida foolishness

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