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Arminius
07-14-12, 11:59 PM
Greetings to all you brothers and sisters of the Savings to suitors club. I have just discovered this forum, and am thankful for all the hard work, due diligence, and helpful sharing that I find here. I have been a former member of sui juris, in it's various incantations, albeit for the most part, a quiet one. I am in a situation now where I have opted out of 'the system' for a few years, and must now work my way back in. I am facing getting a 'drivers license', registering a car, and obtaining a bank account. As you might imagine, this isn't going to be easy for me, yet it must be done. I believe the main fraud of our times is the money fraud, and through it, and vested interest, everything else falls in line.

Meanwhile I use an older computer which doesn't display the antispam tasks, so I am forced to use a friends computer to construct these first two posts, as well as register.

Thank you all for this forum...:)

JohnnyCash
07-16-12, 06:28 PM
Greetings! Actually, there's no need to be going back to New Orleans to wear that ball 'n chain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dpWEv9Q0XQ4#!). Many of us make use of bank accounts and Drivers License without enslavement, myself included. Take a look around, you may discover these things are established for "U.S. persons" and other fictional entities that you, the living man, can make use of without paying a dime in income tax nor paying a citation.

David Merrill
07-17-12, 11:59 PM
Welcome Arminius;



That is a very cool name! Don't take it personally because this is something that comes to mind from JohnnyCash's post. For some reason I find it quite fetching:

Legal Identity Definition Tree (http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18727_01/doc.121/e13425/T348488T391474.htm).

Arminius
07-22-12, 04:49 PM
Many of us make use of bank accounts and Drivers License without enslavement, myself included. Take a look around, you may discover these things are established for "U.S. persons" and other fictional entities that you, the living man, can make use of without paying a dime in income tax nor paying a citation.

Thank you and David for your greeting. This is exactly what i'm aiming for. The question is, what to do with the SSN. I'm just a few years from collecting back some of the funds i unknowingly surrendered all those years slaving away in Babylon, yet to continue to utilize that account as id seems to be the nexus that ties one to the enslavement. At the same time, having that possible source of monthly funds would be helpful in the fairly near future.

I went thru a foreclosure in the recent past, sued the bank, unsuccessfully, ended up walking out because i was tired of the constant pressure from various liars and courts. Considering reinstating that suit as the knowledge base has been expanding, possible utilizing Trinsey v. Pagliaro, yet that's a topic for another time. Point being i notified the court within my suit of my remedy provided by 15 United States Statute at Large, July 27, 1868, know as Expatriation Statute.

Fast forward to a new state jurisdiction drivers license application where you may verbalize an affidavit of no SSN, yet it specifically states "i have never been assigned a ssn... Not something i could attest to. Change the verbiage on the application??? Continue to utilize the SSN and just spend endless time and resources correcting the presumptions...

BTW, awesome song, one of my favorites, and Eric Burdon is still out there slinging those tunes...

David, certainly no offense taken regarding your Legal Identity Definition Tree, but I'm unclear of it's utilization...

David Merrill
07-26-12, 01:58 PM
Thank you and David for your greeting. This is exactly what i'm aiming for. The question is, what to do with the SSN. I'm just a few years from collecting back some of the funds i unknowingly surrendered all those years slaving away in Babylon, yet to continue to utilize that account as id seems to be the nexus that ties one to the enslavement. At the same time, having that possible source of monthly funds would be helpful in the fairly near future.

I went thru a foreclosure in the recent past, sued the bank, unsuccessfully, ended up walking out because i was tired of the constant pressure from various liars and courts. Considering reinstating that suit as the knowledge base has been expanding, possible utilizing Trinsey v. Pagliaro, yet that's a topic for another time. Point being i notified the court within my suit of my remedy provided by 15 United States Statute at Large, July 27, 1868, know as Expatriation Statute.

Fast forward to a new state jurisdiction drivers license application where you may verbalize an affidavit of no SSN, yet it specifically states "i have never been assigned a ssn... Not something i could attest to. Change the verbiage on the application??? Continue to utilize the SSN and just spend endless time and resources correcting the presumptions...

BTW, awesome song, one of my favorites, and Eric Burdon is still out there slinging those tunes...

David, certainly no offense taken regarding your Legal Identity Definition Tree, but I'm unclear of it's utilization...


I apologize for not checking in often.

You best consider the SSN like an insurance policy ID#. You have been paying in premiums. The tricky part is utilizing, or rather not utilizing the same sequence of digits for other things and considering (in your head) that it is the same number. The most common incident of such is the Taxpayer ID# where the IRS Form tells you, Write in your SSN here. But take this another step - your Student Identification Number in upper education. Even the Fishing License (http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6223/fishinglicense.jpg). How about the Driver License (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?538-Question-regarding-42-USC-ยง-408&p=6105&viewfull=1#post6105)?

This gets real tricky because the licensing authority is what might get pulled. Nothing of consequence to me because I am not required to have an insurance policy on my old age disabilities to drive, fish or attend college now, in my life. I am not required to have a SSN to collect SSI if you think about it. The agent for the SSA is required to collect the Identifying Number. So with Sports Authority - I checked the citations. So I can fish without a license, and get the cheap ER attention of Search and Rescue (which is why I applied and failed). Because in good faith I tried to get a license. It was not my fault that Sports Authority did not want to risk getting their licensing authority pulled by the State.

Enjoy pondering through these mental models. Do not cost yourself the policy and claim though.

I told my credit union since I was five to remove my SSN from the account. They said they could not. I told them there was no law requiring me to have a SSN! They closed the account. The upside is that they forgave $4K drawn on a letter of credit. They called my father, who opened the account with me and asked for my SSN. He knew better than to give third party information like that, even if he had known the sequence of digits.



Regards,

David Merrill.

Michael Joseph
07-26-12, 06:06 PM
Hello Arminius and welcome.

I have found that we need to take better care to comprehend the agreements that we engage ourselves in.
I suppose that one could make a naked endorsement of the Fed and that is okay IF AND ONLY IF, said one
understands what they are doing as part of their contract. Meaning can they live with the obligations. I
think we as a people are so conditioned to sign here and here and here so that our WANTS can be immediately
satisfied; however, we need to take a moral accounting from time to time to see if we are being controlled
thru our desires.

Therefore if you consider, there is no system. There is only proper application of the law. Therefore wisdom
is principal.



Shalom,
Michael Joseph

Chex
07-26-12, 08:17 PM
Arminius Welcome to the club:

We all want answers, Back to the "Republic" I say.

I am facing getting a 'drivers license', registering a car.

About the car and registering: I care to comprehend the agreements myself?
Because the state has my title Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) then sent me a certificate in it?s place; are we now partners?

I want my manufacturers certificate of origin back, is that not a title? http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7lbtnBFQzSwA5IRXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&type=827316&fr=chr-greentree_ie&p=manufacturers+certificate+of+origin&SpellState=&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top

About the plates: This gets real tricky because the licensing authority is what might get pulled.

Sometime you have to wonder why there are these kinds of items out there.
Pictures: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oG7npBmRFQNEcA4o9XNyoA?ei=UTF-8&p=tax+exempt+license+plates&type=827316&fr2=tab-web&fr=chr-greentree_ie

Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Lot-20-1975-Oklahoma-Tax-Exempt-License-Plates-

What about the Vehicles?

Vehicles owned by charitable or non-profit organizations, Alaska Native Tribal Village Councils, and church/religious organizations may qualify for a reduced registration fee and "exempt" license plates. Following are the specific requirements to obtain each type of exemption.: http://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/plates/exempt.htm

The 812 form http://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/forms/pdfs/812.pdf

the 821 form http://doa.alaska.gov/dmv/forms/pdfs/821.pdf

looks like you need permission for these.

About the SSN: You best consider the SSN like an insurance policy ID#. You have been paying in premiums. The tricky part is utilizing, or rather not utilizing the same sequence of digits for other things and considering (in your head) that it is the same number.

I have a different approach to the SSN, it has my name on it, it belongs to me, I own it, I don?t care who created it, thank you for looking out for me, I?ll take it from here.


Guess there must be different ways: Exception to the SSN requirement:

If you are legally present in the US, but ineligible for an SSN, you are exempt from SSN requirements. However, you must still provide an acceptable birth date/legal presence document for any DL/ID card application OR provide a valid SSN.

True Full Name

Your true full name appears on your BD/LP document. Etc etc etc: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffdl05.htm

This document must be issued by a government agency within the United States or a foreign jurisdiction that is authorized to issue such documents. The document must be a legible and unaltered original or certified copy with a government seal, stamp or other official imprint. You will need to surrender your current driver license and/or ID card. http://dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

From a blog: Never looked into it before. Eventually some people stop using it. For example, the FAA used to use it for Pilots identified and are now changing to a different number.

A lot of people need to follow the FAA's lead and of course if you never start using the SSN for ID purposes you never have any troubles from it and never have the expense and hassle of changing to a different system like the FAA is.

"We now issue all original airmen certificates with a unique certificate number. The Airmen Certification Branch no longer assigns your Social Security Number (SSN) as your certificate number. If your certificate uses your SSN as the certificate number we will continue to issue you that number unless you request a unique number." http://board.fulldisclosure.org/privacy/driver_license_and_social_security_number

shikamaru
07-26-12, 10:52 PM
About the car and registering: I care to comprehend the agreements myself?
Because the state has my title Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) then sent me a certificate in it?s place; are we now partners?

I want my manufacturers certificate of origin back, is that not a title? http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7lbtnBFQzSwA5IRXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&type=827316&fr=chr-greentree_ie&p=manufacturers+certificate+of+origin&SpellState=&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top

The MCO/MSO IS NOT title to a car. The bill of sale is the highest form of title to the vehicle.
However, there is the issue of tender used (FRNS) in which to discharge rather than extinguish the debt.

You aren't going to get the MCO/MSO back from the State. Once received, they microfiche followed by shredding the original document.

Giving the MCO/MSO to the State seems to incorporate the vessel into "this state". Despite this document not being a form of title, hide it well once received.

Your best bet is to start from scratch with regard to the vehicle.



About the plates: This gets real tricky because the licensing authority is what might get pulled.

If the plates are issued by the State, they aren't yours. The belong to the issuer. I have heard of guys making and displaying their own plates.



I have a different approach to the SSN, it has my name on it, it belongs to me, I own it, I don?t care who created it, thank you for looking out for me, I?ll take it from here.

This is not how a trust works. First, Social Security is a franchise benefit. The grant belongs to the issuer. Second, there are no property rights in Social Security. Supreme Court even states this in one of the major cases on Social Security.

Finally, a beneficiary cannot assume the office of trustee. That's a trespass.

David Merrill
07-31-12, 12:07 AM
Look carefully how this suitor did it (http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/914/ownyourcarlawfultitletr.pdf). No tax.

They kept asking how much he paid for the car and he answered, That is private.