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shikamaru
11-24-12, 03:13 PM
This just occurred to me this morning.

If feudalism is considered the "perfection of subjugation", debt can be considered the "perfection of voluntary servitude".

Employment could be considered this as well.

Chex
11-24-12, 04:51 PM
Interesting article here (http://www.infowars.com/economic-iq-test-if-the-national-debt-doesnt-matter-then-why-are-we-still-paying-federal-income-taxes/)

Where is the money spent that is borrowed from the public and who decides where it goes? http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm

Facts (http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/sdr.htm)

shikamaru
11-24-12, 07:41 PM
We could also say that ... debt, employment, and representation are the perfections of voluntary servitude.

shikamaru
11-24-12, 07:44 PM
Interesting article here (http://www.infowars.com/economic-iq-test-if-the-national-debt-doesnt-matter-then-why-are-we-still-paying-federal-income-taxes/)

Where is the money spent that is borrowed from the public and who decides where it goes? http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm

Facts (http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/sdr.htm)

From the Treasurydirect website:



Where is the money spent that is borrowed from the public and who decides where it goes?

The Bureau of Public Debt is responsible for accounting for and reporting the debt in accordance with statutory direction. The Bureau does not have any public policy decision-making authority. Visit the Financial Management Service web site for more information. Information about the "Budget of the United States" is available at the Government Printing Office web site.

Notice that the question was not answered ... like ... at all?

shikamaru
11-24-12, 07:49 PM
When I think about debt, debt is typically solemnized by contract.

You have to put some effort into getting into debt, hence the voluntary servitude.
The conditions of the servitude are made explicit via the contract. One then authorizes the agreement into actuality.

Chex
11-24-12, 08:49 PM
"When, then, a law is in its nature a contract, when absolute rights have vested under that contract, a repeal of the law cannot divest those rights; and the act of annulling them if legitimate, is rendered so by a power applicable to the case of every individual in the community."

Marshall then defines a contract as a compact between two or more parties, and is either executory or executed. http://www.history1700s.com/page1760.shtml

The government is, then similar to a corporation. The government has vested interest in protecting the rights of the people it serves. Corporations are in the business to be of public service. Corporations rely upon its charter to protect not only itself but also the people it serves. The same situation exists for the congress.

Marshall continues to explain further that a legislative law is a contract and thus as a contract it cannot be broken.

Link http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title4/civ00059.htm

shikamaru
11-24-12, 09:43 PM
The government is, then similar to a corporation. The government has vested interest in protecting the rights of the people it serves. Corporations are in the business to be of public service. Corporations rely upon its charter to protect not only itself but also the people it serves. The same situation exists for the congress.


I contend that government serves its own interest.
I also contend that government protects property, not people.
Further, government serves the purpose of militarizing, acquisition of resources, subjugation of populations, and revenue collection.

Chex
02-17-15, 03:20 PM
I contend that government serves its own interest. I also contend that government protects property, not people.
Further, government serves the purpose of militarizing, acquisition of resources, subjugation of populations, and revenue collection.

IRS Expected To Issue Hundreds Of Deficiency Notices TO USVI Residents. The purpose of a Statutory Notice of Deficiency (SND or 90-Day Notice) is to ensure the taxpayer is formally notified of the IRS’s intention to assess a tax deficiency.

The SND is a legal determination that is presumptively correct and informs the taxpayer of the opportunity and right to petition the Tax Court to dispute the proposed adjustments.

IRS is expected to issue SNDs to United States Virgin Island (http://www.forbes.com/sites/irswatch/2015/02/16/irs-expected-to-issue-hundreds-of-deficiency-notices-to-usvi-residents/)residents in the next few months – Will the Estate of Sanders opinion stop the IRS? [T.L. Sanders Est., 144 TC —, No. 5, Dec. 60,222]

Hope the United States Virgin Island residents (http://www.power-ball.co.za/powerball-now-in-puerto-rico/)have an opportunity to find a “lawful money” website.

The IRS has kept the examinations of a plethora of taxpayers in limbo regarding tax years in the early 2000’s awaiting victories at the courthouse. The IRS typically has 3 years to examine a taxpayer. By the end of 3 years from the filing date of the return, the IRS has 3 choices;
(1) close out or settle the examination administratively;
(2) obtain an extension of the statute of limitations before the expiration of 3 years from the filing date of the tax returns at issue; or
(3) issue a notice of deficiency (also known as a 90 day letter) or

(1) United States Virgin Island residents “redeem in lawful money (http://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8047461/dhs-problems)”

For hundreds of taxpayers who filed their returns in the USVI in the 2002-2004 time period, the IRS did not take any of the 3 avenues before the 3 year statute of limitations expired. Instead, the IRS merely examined these taxpayers and to this day has kept the examinations open.

JohnnyCash
02-17-15, 03:55 PM
Your linked article talks about DHS running out of money, Jay, not USVI nor lawful money. I wonder if you linked to wrong article?
They do have this though, hilarious ... http://www.vox.com/2015/2/15/8043367/celebrity-jeopardy-snl-40-anniversary-special

walter
02-17-15, 08:16 PM
They knew in the old days.
20:00 to 21:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEEnFtmV0I

allodial
02-17-15, 09:43 PM
Employee = servant. It is no unlikely to find a set of books on "Master Servant Law" on the shelf in the corporate board room especially at banks. The idea is that Debtor = servant and Creditor = master.

shikamaru
02-21-15, 10:18 AM
Government is a family office.

A monarchy is a single family office.
A republic, an oligarchy, and an aristocracy are multi-family offices.

Essentially, these are corporations solely dedicated to the preservation, organization, and growth of that family or families wealth.

Republics always take on an oligarchical form. You could say they are synonymous.

allodial
02-21-15, 10:30 AM
Government is a family office.

A monarchy is a single family office.
A republic, an oligarchy, and an aristocracy are multi-family offices.

Essentially, these are corporations solely dedicated to the preservation, organization, and growth of that family or families wealth.

Republics always take on an oligarchical form. You could say they are synonymous.

The oligarchical aspect of the Republic be utilized to prevent mob rule. There is an interesting term "pneumocracy". There are those who suggested that pneumocracy was intended to be part of the Republican system. I beileve the notion of pneumocracy (spiritocracy) from Michael Williams (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/drmlwilliams)' book (link below) is that the members of the society would all be led by the spirit of God for the society to work.

Related: Silenced in the Schoolhouse: How Biblical Illiteracy in Our Schools Is Destroying America (http://www.amazon.com/Silenced-Schoolhouse-Biblical-Illiteracy-Destroying/dp/061521567X)

shikamaru
02-21-15, 10:46 AM
The oligarchical aspect of the Republic be utilized to prevent mob rule. There is an interesting term "pneumocracy". There are those who suggested that pneumocracy was intended to be part of the Republican system. I beileve the notion of pneumocracy (spiritocracy) from Michael Williams (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/drmlwilliams)' book (link below) is that the members of the society would all be led by the spirit of God for the society to work.

Related: Silenced in the Schoolhouse: How Biblical Illiteracy in Our Schools Is Destroying America (http://www.amazon.com/Silenced-Schoolhouse-Biblical-Illiteracy-Destroying/dp/061521567X)

Is mob rule any worse than minority rule and its accoutrements i.e. indoctrination, oppression, and tyranny?

Could minority rule be equated with quiet warfare?

allodial
02-21-15, 11:11 AM
Is mob rule any worse than minority rule and its accoutrements i.e. indoctrination, oppression, and tyranny?

I suppose it depends on the nature of the minority. If the minority has the morals of feral beasts vs if they are benevolent shepherds and guardians over their brethren who are allowed to grow and expand as they gather wisdom and knowledge and without interference or oppression. Like with a hammer, depends on whose hand its in.

If the mob or the minority are as feral beasts, it seems you'd have a farm or a jungle rather than a government.

On that note, the record seems to show a tendency of influences conspiring to push America away from traditional morals toward a more base system--key activity perhaps revving up more significantly around the 1830s or 1840s. Could removal of gold/silver from circulation have been intended to be a way to depose (i.e. eliminate/cripple) lawful government? With funny money how could you have a de jure claim at law?

shikamaru
02-21-15, 11:39 AM
I suppose it depends on the nature of the minority. If the minority has the morals of feral beasts vs if they are benevolent shepherds and guardians over their brethren who are allowed to grow and expand as they gather wisdom and knowledge and without interference or oppression. Like with a hammer, depends on whose hand its in.

If the mob or the minority are as feral beasts, it seems you'd have a farm or a jungle rather than a government.

On that note, the record seems to show a tendency of influences conspiring to push America away from traditional morals toward a more base system--key activity perhaps revving up more significantly around the 1830s or 1840s. Could removal of gold/silver from circulation have been intended to be a way to depose (i.e. eliminate/cripple) lawful government? With funny money how could you have a de jure claim at law?

This all reminds me of Plato's discussions concerning the attributes of an ideal republic in his book, "Republic". It too was oligarchical in form.

Funny you mention money, government, and morals. In the book, "The Lost Science of Money", as the currency was debased so too did government, morals, and society debase in kind.

allodial
02-21-15, 11:46 AM
This all reminds me of Plato's discussions concerning the attributes of an ideal republic in his book, "Republic". It too was oligarchical in form.

Funny you mention money, government, and morals. In the book, "The Lost Science of Money", as the currency was debased so too did government, morals, and society debase in kind.

AFAIK a key difference between Aristotle and Plato is that Aristotle embraced the idea of soul-less man and oligarchy. Plato had a rather different view. For some reason it seems public education in the USA tries to equate them. Aristotle would likely be quoted moreso by secular humanists than by others.

Re: money and morality... you'd almost figure someone has it down to a science.

shikamaru
02-21-15, 11:57 AM
AFAIK a key difference between Aristotle and Plato is that Aristotle embraced the idea of soul-less man and oligarchy. Plato had a rather different view. For some reason it seems public education in the USA tries to equate them. Aristotle would likely be quoted moreso by secular humanists than by others.

I believe (don't quote me on this) that Aristotle also embraced that some men were born to rule while others are natural born slaves.



Re: money and morality... you'd almost figure someone has it down to a science.

Seems the controllers or beneficiaries of money always desire to circumvent 'thou shalt not steal' along with the necessities of working.

xparte
02-22-15, 02:57 AM
In the wilds A wolf pact is absent philosophy however the physiology is dominant regardless of fairness all are tolerable for physiological reasons.Is Plato,s dominance tolerable or can anybody leave the republic or the cave regardless of physiological fairness. Any flaw in the wild is corrected immediately only flaw with Man is exploitation whether gradual or immediate the balance waits on fairness.

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shikamaru
09-26-15, 08:41 AM
Debt is also a form of subjugation and quiet (as well as subtle) warfare.

allodial
09-26-15, 07:17 PM
I believe (don't quote me on this) that Aristotle also embraced that some men were born to rule while others are natural born slaves.

You're on the trail. You'll likely find Aristotlean ideals embraced by the would-be Oligarchs.


Seems the controllers or beneficiaries of money always desire to circumvent 'thou shalt not steal' along with the necessities of working.

That might be as far as they care for the Bible--a work motivation tool. But is it stealing when you are simply recovering what is owed to you?


Debt is also a form of subjugation and quiet (as well as subtle) warfare.

I would tend to suggest debt as being a potential tool for subjugation or quiet warfare rather than it being a warfare itself.