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allodial
02-03-13, 08:39 AM
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It is well established that a citizen in whose presence a misdemeanor has been attempted or committed may effect a citizen’s arrest and in so doing may both summon the police to his aid and delegate to police the physical act of taking the offender into custody. People v. Johnson(1981) 123 Cal.App.3d 495, 499


..the delegation of the physical act of arrest need not be express, but may be implied from the citizen’s act of summoning an officer, reporting the offense,and pointing out the suspect.” Padillav. Meese (1986) 184 Cal.App.3d 1022, 1030


...a citizen’s arrest “may be implied from the citizen’s act of summoning an officer, reporting the offense, and pointing out the suspect. Arpinv. Santa Clara Valley Transportation Agency (9th Cir. 2001) 261 F.3d 912, 920

In view of the above California cases, is calling the police an act of delegation of authority? If so what does that tell you? Is the message in the above anything short of loud as clear as to from whence police derive their powers? Is it then true that when a police officer makes an arrest even without being called, he is merely a delegate of the people and nothing more? Does it follow that all arrests are citizens arrests? If the police officer isn't a citizen then what is he?

David Merrill
02-03-13, 10:59 AM
Except when you identify yourself as a taxpayer with the SSN; which is from your Driver License card. This is why a suitor is advised to get a new card and to sign it with a true name. This then allows the opportunity to Refuse for Cause but more so, the suitors says, I am not showing you this card for Identification Purposes - I am showing it to your to demonstrate competency only and to prove that my insurance policy is capable of restoring a claim in an accident.

In other words the Department of Revenue, Division of Enforcement has been repealed (replaced by municipal police forces) in Colorado. You do not buy the Driver License card at the Driver License Store:


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5426/departmentofrevenue.jpg

There is only the beginning of understanding. There are multiple ways to make my point and so I utilize different mental models. The Libel of Review (http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9462/libelofreview52012.pdf) is a good example - it covers it in the other fluff around a new suitor's initial Refusal for Cause (look at that example clerk instruction). To understand read that example clerk instruction at least twice.



...The substitution of citizen of the United States for the German nationals on this land was against Stoehr v. Wallace, 255 U.S. 239 (1921) where the Court clearly expresses "The Trading with the Enemy Act, originally and as amended, is strictly a war measure..." - directly citing the Constitution Article I, §8, clause 11. The war on the Great Depression 1) does not count and 2) would only last the duration of the emergency if it did. Presentments will be treated as described by the following example of clerk instruction:


Petitioner
street address
Colorado Springs, Colorado.
[zip]

United States District Court Registered mail # RA XXX XXX XXX US
for the District of Colorado
901 19th Street - A105
Denver, Colorado.
[80294]

Dear clerk;

Please file this refusal for cause in the case jacket of Article III case 03-XXXX. This is evidence if this presenter claims I have obligations to perform or makes false claims against me in the future. A copy of this instruction has been sent with the original refusal for cause back to the presenter in a timely fashion.

Certificate of Mailing

My signature below expresses that I have mailed a copy of the presentment, refused for cause with the original clerk instruction to the district court and the original presentment, refused for cause in red ink and a copy of this clerk instruction has been mailed registered mail as indicated back to the presenter within a few days of presentment.



_______example________________________
Petitioner

Presenter's name Registered mail # RA XXX XXX XXX US
Address
Anywhere, State.
[presenter's code]

If you are a taxpayer and ID yourself with a SSN through your Driver License then you are unable to rescind the naked contract riding on the card.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1728/revenuecauseadmission.jpg

It helps if you look at authority delegated through non-organization. This is difficult to perceive except as you put it plainly Allodial. It is right there in front of us. The most non-organized component is the man or woman and there you have it - the right of arrest. So when does the man or woman become subject? Through the "valid" income tax in the Social Security contract!


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1728/revenuecauseadmission.jpg

To get this through you have to align yourself with the theory that Colorado is special. This is the Capitol in reality. Washington DC is a municipal ornament for the Districts while Colorado was never properly formed a Territory in 1861. It carries a pentagram (not Pentagon) of military might around Colorado Springs and that easily protects the Federal Center in Littleton, mostly being in the center of the continent and a Mile High. This non-organization elevates it to a positive law jural society that sets the precedent here for you, wherever you are.

Another supporting doc is the 1984 Article (http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html) in my video about Abolishing the Fed (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImYmZlMTU5ZGQtYTIyZi00NjZjLWIyMzctOWFkZ jhhZDM1MGEy/edit).


...After 1933, however, the case law no longer emphatically declares that income is exclusively corporate profit or that it arises from a privilege. So, what changed? Two years after H.J.R. 192, Congress passed the Social Security Act, which the Supreme Court upheld as a valid act imposing a valid income tax: 'Charles C. Steward Mach. Co. v, Davis' 301 U.S. 548 (1937).


There is a subtle distinction about who or what is delegating authority to whom or what, depending on how you identify yourself. If you do not wish to identify yourself as a government employee (taxpayer) utilizing the Social Security System for driving purposes then see C.R.S. 42-2-107 (http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/Colorado/):


...If the applicant does not have a social security number, the applicant shall submit a sworn statement made under penalty of law, together with the application, stating that the applicant does not have a social security number.

Of course that deconditioning is another ball of wax. How many of you understand that you only have a SSN for purposes of making an "old age" or disability type of insurance claim? If you have a SSN for the purpose of identifying yourself then you make your citizen's arrest at your own peril. The right of arrest is a precious gift and it ended the Salem Witch Hunts (http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3372/salemhunt.jpg). Please do not disable your rights (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImRmlqZjZtb0ZyNDA/edit) by identifying yourself with a SSN:


http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7/salemhuntsketch.jpg

shikamaru
02-03-13, 01:34 PM
Police's powers of arrest are no greater than that of the citizen.

Let's just say citizen's arrest is a dormant power that most have forgotten (or abandoned).

RiderOnTheStorm
02-25-13, 01:35 PM
Police's powers of arrest are no greater than that of the citizen.

Let's just say citizen's arrest is a dormant power that most have forgotten (or abandoned).


if somebody calls the police and "deligates the authority" to the police then that person has the liability if it turns out to be "under color of law" and the one arrested ends up suing. If a police offer arrests you without anybody being called he then is personally responsible and not the whole public.