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Gonzo
02-21-13, 05:21 AM
Interesting read on the disclosure when signing up for their service... The items marked bold I found interesting and would like to hear the brain trusts thoughts inre: interstate commerce & actions as a private attorney general. Full text here in the links with check boxes next to them, ergo, unilateral contracts.

https://chaseonline.chase.com/Public/Enroll/Chasenet/PersonalInfo.aspx


8. Federal Law. You acknowledge and agree that your consent to electronic Communications is being provided in connection with a transaction affecting interstate commerce that is subject to the federal Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act, and that you and we both intend that the Act apply to the fullest extent possible to validate our ability to conduct business with you by electronic means.


Binding Arbitration

YOU HEREBY AGREE THAT ANY DISPUTE, CLAIM OR CONTROVERSY ARISING NOW OR IN THE FUTURE UNDER OR RELATING IN ANY WAY TO THIS AGREEMENT, OR TO THE CHASE QUICKPAY SERVICE ("CLAIM"), REGARDLESS OF THE NATURE OF THE CAUSE(S) OF ACTION ASSERTED (INCLUDING CLAIMS FOR INJUNCTIVE, DECLARATORY, OR EQUITABLE RELIEF), SHALL BE RESOLVED BY BINDING ARBITRATION. CLAIMS SUBJECT TO ARBITRATION INCLUDE CLAIMS THAT ARE MADE AS COUNTERCLAIMS, CROSS CLAIMS, THIRD PARTY CLAIMS, INTERPLEADERS, OR OTHERWISE. ARBITRATION REPLACES THE RIGHT TO GO TO COURT, AND YOU THEREFORE AGREE TO WAIVE ANY RIGHT THAT YOU OR WE MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE HAD TO A JURY TRIAL OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LITIGATE ANY CLAIMS IN COURT BEFORE EITHER A JUDGE OR JURY. YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BRING A CLASS ACTION OR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE ACTION (SUCH AS AN ACTION IN THE FORM OF A PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL) TO LITIGATE ANY CLAIMS IN COURT BEFORE EITHER A JUDGE OR JURY; NOR WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS A CLASS MEMBER IN A CLASS ACTION OR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE ACTION TO LITIGATE ANY CLAIM(S IN COURT BEFORE EITHER A JUDGE OR JURY.

David Merrill
02-21-13, 10:55 AM
It is difficult to say at first glance if the attorneys are reacting to patriots with such actions - "nutjobs" who resort to common law actions, or a legit position as recognized in the law and Bar societies called "private attorney general".




https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8NH2-TX1lNE&list=UUpViuh928nFhhfTDLnmEeDw

I am tempted to think that certain suitors signing this Criminal Complaint (http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9098/complaintformfederal.pdf) form as Private Attorney General have prompted this kind of verbiage in PM (preventive maintenance) verbiage like you discovered.


http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1845/criminalcomplaintformfe.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9908/criminalcomplaintrespon.jpg

LearnTheLaw
02-21-13, 03:08 PM
It is difficult to say at first glance if the attorneys are reacting to patriots with such actions - "nutjobs" who resort to common law actions, or a legit position as recognized in the law and Bar societies called "private attorney general".



I am tempted to think that certain suitors signing this Criminal Complaint form as Private Attorney General have prompted this kind of verbiage in PM (preventive maintenance) verbiage like you discovered.


Amazing!!!

I was just re-reading some material that I had bookmarked a few years ago as I was just beginning to learn about the law.

It makes 100 times more sense to me now than it did back then.

Of course they must be made out to be "Nutjobs" because they can not have the chattel learn the truth of their enslavement.


Maxim of law:
"For the defacto officer to have the presumption of office, there must first be the dejure office."
This means that the government may not wish to use the constitution or deal with real law-but their lifeblood is determined ultimately by their adherence to the law. They will get as far away from real law as the People will allow, but at some point they have to answer to the law because they know they cannot exist without the dejure office being there. So, when affidavits alleging crimes against the People begin to pile up, it will begin to have a snowball effect.





5. AN UNREBUTTED AFFIDAVIT STANDS AS TRUTH IN COMMERCE. (12 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-15; )
Claims made in your affidavit, if not rebutted, emerge as the truth of the matter.
Legal Maxim: "He who does deny, admits."
I believe it is supposed to read "He who does NOT deny, admits"

6. AN UNREBUTTED AFFIDAVIT BECOMES THE JUDGMENT IN COMMERCE. (Heb. 6:16-17; ).
There is nothing left to resolve. Any proceeding in a court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or duel, of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as truth and matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.


SATISFACTION OF A LIEN.
In commerce a lien or claim can be satisfied in any one of three ways. (Gen. 2-3; Mat. 4; Revelation.).
(A) By someone rebutting your affidavit, with another affidavit of his own, point by point, until the matter is resolved as to whose is correct, in case of non-resolution.
(B) You convene a Sheriff's common law jury, based on the Seventh Amendment, concerning a dispute involving a claim of more than $20. Or, you can use three disinterested parties to make judgment.
(C) The only other way to satisfy a lien is to pay it.

Legal Maxim: "if the plaintiff does not prove his case, the defendant is absolved".

So, the tenth maxim of law is: A LIEN OR CLAIM CAN BE SATISFIED ONLY THROUGH REBUTTABLE BY AFFIDAVIT POINT BY POINT, RESOLUTION BY JURY, OR PAYMENT.
Commercial Law is non-judicial. This is pre-judicial (not prejudice). This is timeless. This is the base, the foundation beneath which any government or any of their court systems can possibly exist or function.


http://freedom-school.com/bonds/course-4-redemption.pdf

David Merrill
02-21-13, 07:25 PM
Of course they must be made out to be "Nutjobs" because they can not have the chattel learn the truth of their enslavement.




Yet we have some evolution (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?834-GOLD-CERTIFITCATES-siezed-in-1933-34-to-be-re-released-to-the-public!!) from there going on here.


I have long held there are people at the treasury quietly working to get remedy from the FRN out to the public. Maybe the re issuance of "old gold certs" and the notice they are "redeemable" will get more people asking questions?

That is what I was noticing about The Hundredth Monkey (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?829-Hundredth-Monkey-USA-Vacates-Prosecution!) - The echo chamber has the potential to grow upon itself into artificial intuition if you will. However I watch that thread bump down the What's New? list in dismay. I described what I think I see yet people don't understand the significance?

I see that suitors would not be surprised that the criminal counts have been terminated. However suitors utilize the process to stay away from the prosecuting USA and peacefully utilize government as the Trustee. But the remainder of the readers would get curious at least, I imagine.

Gonzo
02-26-13, 03:53 PM
I have a few outstanding questions...

So if I'm forced to accept this agreement (essentially - to get paid), by what means can I put my demand on the record with Chase though I have no account with them? Do I serve notice to Chase? Do I (continue to attempt to) novate my signature card with the demand U.S.C. 12 ss 411, or ask that the person wishing to transfer money (lawful currency) to me do so by negotiable instrument (check)?

David Merrill
03-03-13, 01:49 PM
The steps are basically designed to notify the Fed, not Chase. But you can have a process server serve Chase Corporate Headquarters.

1) Sign the Notice and Demand (with Application for a Document fluff at the top) - with a notary seal.
2) Get a Commission Certificate ($5) from the Secretary of State (on the notary).
3) file those into a $46 evidence repository (Miscellaneous Case File) with a Demand for the $46 (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4149/nonendorsementredemptio.jpg) on the last page.
4) Serve that on the Fed (certified copy from the USDC).

Steps 3) and 4) may be interchangeable?

5) Serve the documents on Chase and forget about it. However whenever you get a chance to sign "endorsement" non-endorse with a Demand for Lawful Money. Whenever anybody coerces you to sign something just sign "Lawful Money" neatly (no cursive). If they squawk about it tell them that is your signature whenever somebody coerces you to sign something.



Regards,

David Merrill.