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David Merrill
09-10-13, 01:52 PM
I heard a friend tell me about hiking, four miles in and tearing a ligament. The pain was so terrible she kept blacking out. Apparently somebody found her and launched a search and rescue operation. This likely brought with it a very expensive billing cycle.

Here in Colorado if you have a State Fishing License you get a rider for Search and Rescue Insurance for $1.25 co-payment. I like to hike and when I am hungry, fish too. So I want a fishing license and will on occasion go apply for one - mostly just to make sure my application attempts are in the system. Whatever sporting goods store I go to will not issue me a license because I do not have a Social Security Number. The way the statutes read though I am not required to have a SSN, the licensing authority STATE will however revoke the Sporting Good Store's licensing authority if they do not get one! That is a subtle distinction that is important if you want to understand the premise of this thread.


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6223/fishinglicense.jpg

The layman and casual reader will think the Notice is referring to him or herself being conditioned to put themselves under the law. But let's look critically:


C.R.S. §33-6-107(2)(a) (http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/Colorado/) Any person who makes a false statement or provides false information in connection with applying for or purchasing a license, or any license agent who knowingly uses or accepts false information in connection with selling or issuing a license, is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished by the following fines:


42 USC §408(a)(7)(B) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text) with intent to deceive, falsely represents a number to be the social security account number assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security to him or to another person, when in fact such number is not the social security account number assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security to him or to such other person; or

Notice how neither citation applies to somebody who has no SSN.

It is always great NOT to be the victim of a backwoods accident so I can only speak hypothetically. However as many of you know I have visited the Emergency Room several times (http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4189/novation2010.jpg) utilizing the hospital for my eleemosynary corporation. If I tore my knee I would tell any billing administrator (helicopter pilot?) that I am fully insured. - Maybe even offer the $1.25 co-payment out of pocket.

I can pretty well guarantee you that no EMT party will be leaving me there in the woods. Additionally my experience is that I will get superior medical attention under this premise than if I had the traditional insurance or liquidity setup.



Regards,

David Merrill.

shikamaru
09-10-13, 08:54 PM
Taxes must be the premium paid for the insurance policy (constitution).

Chex
09-10-13, 10:15 PM
If I tore my knee I would tell any billing administrator (helicopter pilot?) that I am fully insured. - Maybe even offer the $1.25 co-payment out of pocket.

Not on obamacare.

David Merrill
09-10-13, 10:18 PM
I had not thought about Obamacare! I wonder if the fishing license still carries a rider?

Chex
09-11-13, 03:39 AM
1308

I can only speak hypothetically.

allodial
09-16-13, 03:15 PM
It might be worth noting that the passage of Dodd-Frank resulted in the Federal Insurance Office (http://www.naic.org/cipr_topics/topic_fio.htm) being added to the U.S. Department of the Treasury.