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David Merrill
10-17-13, 07:59 AM
Having studied and even put parts to memory (http://www.uvm.edu/~asnider/IDAS_2011_CD/Teachers/Steve%20Llano's%20Materials/Strategy%20Books/Book%20of%20Five%20Rings%20-%20Musashi.pdf) I enjoy this "attempt" to translate (http://library2.nittai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/11015/1059/1/41-2-199-211.pdf).


In the footnotes we find:


Family names are written before given names as is the custom in Japan. In order to differentiate both names all family names are written in capital letters in this essay...

allodial
10-18-13, 12:06 AM
Very interesting.

I suspect that at least long ago the household was regarded to be a government or a county or a jurisdiction itself. Thusly, only the husband voted since the household made its decision as a group. Just like you might have New York, New York you might have David, Smith or David; Smith. However, on the other hand, apart from the obvious significance of David William, the use of David William Smith, David W. Smith, David Smith or D. Smith or Smith could be utilized to show a diminished status such as that of a soldier in contrast with an office holder or a sovereign or a free man.

These days the term "family name" seems to have loaded meanings. Once when asked what my "family name" was, I brought up the distinction between "family's name" vs 'family name" and asked if they were asking my family's name or my family name, the State actor acquiesced. It was clear that they were not asking me the name of my clan or family but using a loaded legal word "family name". It may be that the term "family name" is a term associated with letters patents, charters, diplomas etc (licenses, permissions, grants).

shikamaru
10-25-13, 02:28 PM
Very interesting.

I suspect that at least long ago the household was regarded to be a government or a county or a jurisdiction itself. Thusly, only the husband voted since the household made its decision as a group. Just like you might have New York, New York you might have David, Smith or David; Smith. However, on the other hand, apart from the obvious significance of David William, the use of David William Smith, David W. Smith, David Smith or D. Smith or Smith could be utilized to show a diminished status such as that of a soldier in contrast with an office holder or a sovereign or a free man.

These days the term "family name" seems to have loaded meanings. Once when asked what my "family name" was, I brought up the distinction between "family's name" vs 'family name" and asked if they were asking my family's name or my family name, the State actor acquiesced. It was clear that they were not asking me the name of my clan or family but using a loaded legal word "family name". It may be that the term "family name" is a term associated with letters patents, charters, diplomas etc (licenses, permissions, grants).

Think Roman Civil Law.

Patriae potestas.

Now this has all got me thinking. I bet there is the beginning and origin of political representation.

Chex
10-25-13, 03:13 PM
Patriae potestas. law, the discipline and profession concerned with the customs, practices, and rules of conduct of a community that are recognized as binding by the community. Enforcement of the body of rules is through a controlling authority. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/332745/law

shikamaru
10-25-13, 03:29 PM
Patriae potestas. law, the discipline and profession concerned with the customs, practices, and rules of conduct of a community that are recognized as binding by the community. Enforcement of the body of rules is through a controlling authority. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/332745/law

Beyond this, patriae potestas was the power of the father over life and death of his wife, children, slaves, and other members of the Roman household.



patria potestas, (Latin: “power of a father”), in Roman family law, power that the male head of a family exercised over his children and his more remote descendants in the male line, whatever their age, as well as over those brought into the family by adoption. This power meant originally not only that he had control over the persons of his children, amounting even to a right to inflict capital punishment, but that he alone had any rights in private law. Thus, acquisitions of a child became the property of the father. The father might allow a child (as he might ...

Source: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/446579/patria-potestas