Sheriff Clarke: ‘Assault’ on Policing Hasn’t Been Seen Since 60s

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

You know you've contradicted yourself yet again with this post, yes?

If you don't mean what you say, don't say it.



Racism is far more prevalent than you care to admit. It disturbs the narrative you've ego invested in.



While you may personally find racism and prejudice entertaining, it can mean life or death as well as whole host of other impact issues if you are African-American.

You are presuming there was some sort of unity. Let me repeat, there never has been any unity. Whatever unity you think you may haver perceived is contrived at best.

Could you produce for me in dollars and cents figures where African-Americans profit from the "business of racism"?
Does this profit compare with the profit of the several States, government of the United States, and European-Americans have profited from the "business of racism"?
Is this business incorporated?
Does this business produce revenue statements?

You are also presuming Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al speak for all African-Americans.
African-Americans are not a monolith.



Who is saying Caucasians need to feel guilty for anything?
Learn and study history in all its nightmarish glory.
The animosity has been pre-existing since before the creation of the several States. It takes animosity in part to create a system such as racism.







When you are ready to talk with me rather than at me, I'm here for you.

This makes 2 for 2 you've contradicted your initially stated positions.

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There is no contradiction except what you perceive; my stance is clear for anyone who who can read objectively.

Your opinion on racism is not canon; go interview the 350,000,000+ people on this land and get back to me with the real data. Stating that there has NEVER been unity between white and black people is utter nonsense. Not everyone is as preoccupied with race as you are.

You continue to lodge your attacks upon my views with the very same tactics used by the mainstream media; I said that what passes as news is more akin to entertainment, not that racism and prejudice is entertaining. Why would you do something so obvious that most people here can see right through? It makes you look foolish and shallow.

Specific to the topic that Sheriff Clarke comments on; the "black leaders" brought to the forefront to fuel the fires after incidents like Ferguson, profit through exploitation of these incidents. I did not presume anything regarding Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al; those are the faces and voices first on the scene when said exploitation occurs. I don't see african-americans removing them and contradicting them when they presume to "speak" for african-americans during such incidences.

They do business under the names AL SHARPTON and JESSE JACKSON as well as others, RAINBOW COALITION, et al. Are these men providing a service or producing a product, other than RACE EXPLOITATION that I am not aware of? Where else does the "revenue" come from?

Leftist, "intellectuals" who have infiltrated the "higher learning" industry for the past several decades have been teaching the nonsense of "white guilt"; it seems to be working.

There is plenty of history to be read which does not coincide with your version of truth.

I prefer clarity over agreement.

BTW, your "scoreboard" isn't working; may want to get it fixed.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

I prefer truth and reality to faux unity that never existed.



I have yet to see this in practice whether current or historical.
In fact, the good book was used to justify slavery and racism. See the Ham myth.



To me, he comes off as almost completely and willfully ignorant of the history, plight, and current ongoings of African-Americans with regard to law enforcement.

I place even less value in it since you've pulled this from Breitbart, a known propagandist of the conservative persuasion.

Ferguson, MO municipal court system and police department are being exposed for the corrupt pieces of garbage that they were.
They were running a petty fiefdom for profit and gain.

Sorry if that offends you.

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You make my point. Many people who claim His Name do the opposite of what He preached and how He lived. That does not mean that the "good book" teaches such nonsense; selfish, power hungry and evil people interpret anything in a manner which fits their nefarious intents. Do you believe that everyone who reads The Bible buys into the "Ham myth'?

You impugn a man simply because he disagrees with your viewpoint. He doesn't agree with you so he is "willfully ignorant". I don't believe your view has been established as canon, unless I missed some special announcement. I would bet Sheriff Clarke would be more than capable of backing up his views with first-hand knowledge and a coherent grasp of his people's history. Why do you presume him ignorant of his own history; he seems like a very articulate man who speaks intelligently and eloquently while maintaining an honorable sense of ALL people's rights. The fact that you so harshly dismiss and belittle his views is more telling of you rather than him.

What exactly did I "pull" from "Breitbart"? You may want to direct your vitriol to the original poster for that. I simply linked a youtube video from the CSPOA (Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association), a NY Times article (a bastion of conservatism???) and wikipedia. Does one automatically become part of the "conservative persuasion" by claiming to be a Constitutional Sheriff and a Peace Officer? Now it is you who is being willfully ignorant.

Every municipal court system in America is running a business for profit and gain, where's the surprise?

You mean to tell us that there is corruption in government; what a news flash!!!

Do you think that maybe there is corruption among the so-called "exposers" of Ferguson as well?

Nah, the DoJ is completely run by upstanding, honest and righteous people... hello???

Here is the full video/interview from a search on youtube; "Breitbart" has nothing to do with this video nor is Sheriff Clarke a mouthpiece for "Breitbart".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHBK5iLmPio

How anyone can listen to this man speak and find fault with his sentiments, motives or intents is beyond reason. He is not a "party-liner" of any kind and laughs at the ridiculous notion of some black people calling him out as the standard "Uncle Tom" figure.

He directly states he has the confidence and support of many black people in his community and nationwide. I guess he is either a liar or the rhetoric surrounding the matters he speaks of is misguided and intentionally misleading.

Again, I value this man's opinion and find honor in his actions. If we had more like him, the world would be in better shape.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

Every municipal court system in America is running a business for profit and gain, where's the surprise?

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Death of the County or Lost At Sea
David Merrill has given insight as to what happens when a county is swallowed up by municipalities--Five Burroughs of New York for example. My kurt explanation is along the lines that the residents (or the electorate) are presumed dead. Imagine the logic: how can the dead, die again?

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Ever notice that police tend to wear blue or black and sheriffs tend to wear brown or reddish colors? The blue and black is a clue. Red and brown are associated with life, soil, land, blood.
Sheriffs Are Not Police
IMHO its worth noting that sheriffs aren't municipal officers (sheriffs are not "police") and instead tend to be county officers with the county being a subdivision of a state. Clarke as sheriff isn't a municipal policy enforcement officer. Sheriffs aren't "police" but are law enforcement officers, "shire keepers". From observation it has seemed that the municipalist don't like sheriffs and have gone out of the way to put sheriffs "in the corner" because they know what sheriffs stand for and can do. Sheriffs in many jurisdictions have tended AFAIK to be underfunded as a means for liberal, progressive legislatures to control or obstruct them. Where sheriffs are elected and mentioned in state constitutions, they are agents of the People.

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Removing Shackles & Blinders
While many "Afro Americans" and others who feel jaded by the US system might have a hard time breaking with entrenched mental habits, the county sheriff can be a powerful ally in defense of rights. Those Ferguson Police are part of the "municipal" or "dead corporate" known as "City of Ferguson". Sheriffs are very much likely aware of this and tend to stay out the municipality mess (perhaps the view might be "its your business if you got yourself entangled in that"--if you chose to be part of a municipality). If you elect to be a municipality-ite, the sheriff will probably step back and presume your relationship with the municipality and the municipality's functions are "functional"--unless you make the contrary known. Consider also, for a home-rule city like St. Louis City, Mo. the Mayor is the go-to for certain things, but the sheriff (a county officer, as opposed to a municipal officer of the City of St. Louis) deals with county matters (the courts and management of the county jail).

AFAIK, sheriffs tend to presume inferior municipal officers are doing their jobs honestly. A sheriff is typically the principal conservator of the peace of a county. For a city, this might tend to be the mayor. A city tends to most always be "in" a county even if its an independent or homerule city--thusly the sheriff would have superior jurisdiction.

"Whites" and "Blacks" might do well to get wise about the powers of both sheriffs and notaries.

Related:

• The Sheriff Has More Power In His County Than The President Of The United States
• Powers and Duties of Sheriffs, Constables, Tax Collectors, and Other ...
• The Compleat Sheriff

Another great interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2yqAqPRmiQ

The photo is an unintended addition. A little (no so little) distraction may be needed at this point.

When is the last time anyone saw Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson sponsoring basic training in law for "Afro American" communities? Believe me, time and time again I've found it very sad how many Blacks seek help from the very same folks who are out to put a foot on their necks. Blaming just wastes time--get wisdom.

There is also the "private attorney general" option.

Yet another...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEl5YnEVtEY

I can't find one interview where I disagree with what this man stands for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7j2O5kUuaw

The Sheriff's take on racism in this day and age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHMSPzDbDfo

His take on the DoJ "findings" regarding Ferguson, MO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXkBXBT2jH4

Eric Holder the "race-baiter" and Al Sharpton "the charlatan" who is a "special adviser" to President Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiMfKkD6q7Y

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Originally Posted by allodial

When is the last time anyone saw Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson sponsoring basic training in law for "Afro American" communities? Believe me, time and time again I've found it very sad how many Blacks seek help from the very same folks who are out to put a foot on their necks. Blaming just wastes time--get wisdom.

There is also the "private attorney general" option.

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When was the last time you saw Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson organize a relief effort for the innocent victims of looting, violence and destruction of property after they swarm on the scene and induce such criminal behavior with their false rhetoric?

They came, they saw, they destroyed.

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Maybe they're in on it or they are put in a corner and told to shut up.

In St. Louis County, the same area were Michael Brown was killed and where Darren Wilson works, the "Black" female court clerks can completely and utterly evil, vile and dirty in behavior. I watched once as brown-skinned man kindly asked the COURT CLERK (outside of the court setting) what the header would be for his pleading, the exact title of the court and the rules for the court and the Black clerk she said" YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT!" Like I said in St. Louis County north of Olive its more of a junta rather than a government and they can be very dirty. They can be dirty to "White" and "Black". It would probably best for every municipal court, municipality and police department north of Olive in St. Louis county to be rolled up and turned over to the State or the Feds except maybe one or two municipalities. It might even be better to make it into a special extension of the U.S. district court.

I've observed more compassion coming from Black cops, White cops and judges than from any female Black attorney/cop/court clerk.

"Black" men who live in those areas who manage to stay out of trouble: THEY KEEP TRACK AND SCHEME TO SET THEM UP ON FALSE CHARGES AS IF TO PUNISH THEM FOR NOT FEEDING THEIR MONEY MACHINE.

But those people have to know what to do: to contact the State court administrator with complaints, to contact the sheriffs, etc. Do you think the Black city attorneys care? LOL--they are in on it too. Its seems to boil down to be more of a class/clique thing than a "race thing"--the key is the way you talk or look is a "crap shoot" of presumption as to whether you might be easy prey. The brown-skinned people just need to put money into books and study of law rather than $250 blue jeans and $300 shoes. They are targeted because they are more likely going to lack knowledge and be easy prey. Its not so much race, its likelihood of being an easy target because of historical oppression on the mental end educational level.

They see a rich "White" girl or a "White" guy and skip them? Why? NOT because of her skin color but because SHE OR HE IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY AND THUSLY ITS TOO COSTLY TO MESS WITH HER (AS IN NOT AN EASY TARGET). They also figure that if you could hardly be bothered to learn to speak English eloquently that poor communication skills ~= easy prey (i.e. presumed to be ignorant and wanting to be ignorant as if it were a fashion statement).

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I have seen many "Black" neighborhoods where they have 10 pairs of $300 shoes and 20 pairs of $200 blue jeans but try to getting them to spend a few hours in a library rather than chasing tail on the weekends (there are "Whites" just the same)--but then they want to blame "White people" and poorer "Whites" want to blame Blacks and "rich people". The Blacks are encouraged by the "Black leaders" to "hold vigils" and "fly to DC to march" --BUT WHEN HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THEM SUGGEST TAKING A TRIP TO THE LAW LIBRARY!?!??! Oh sure, spend thousands of dolllars to fly to DC and bring your best clothes and after spending a week increasing DC revenues you can "click your ruby red high heels and everything will be magically better when you return home".

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"White" people can be just as much victims even of other "White" people. The puzzling thing is: I just never could figure out why "Blacks" knowing history could even have the audacity to do anything other than be adequately prepared. Oh but do most of those Black pastors help them get prepared? Yeah, right. Are there "White" pastors or "religious leaders" that deceive? Goes without saying? In any case, does blame get wisdom?

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Just the same I have met "poor Whites" who have "no money" but you go to their house and they have three types of Cable/Satellite TV, 2,000 DVDs and Blurays, XBox, Playstation, three people sharing the house with two kids, all the adults smoke 4 packs of cigs a day and who get in trouble with cops all the time and couldn't be bothered to order .69 cent law book via Amazon let alone lift the book or turn a page? Tell them instead of arguing "GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORS AND SPEND THE NIGHT WHICH WAS EASILY ARRANGED". BUT NOOO THAT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE FOR THEM! They rather have 100 domestic cop calls to their house a year and then come to someone like me crying for help.

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Perspectives. Perspectives. If only more people would simply turn off "Stupid" and get wisdom.

Any thugs, thieves and looters being prosecuted for their criminal behavior during the riots subsequent to the justified non-prosecution of Officer Darren Wilson?

Where does it state in any law that destruction of property, thievery and thuggery is permissible so long as one believes injustice is being done?

What about the fact that there was no injustice done by Darren Wilson against Mike Brown according to the Grand Jury and the DoJ; and yet people willingly broke the law in defiance of peace and proper judgment.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

There is no contradiction except what you perceive; my stance is clear for anyone who who can read objectively.

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Contradiction has occurred twice. I thought you were done with this discussion?

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

Your opinion on racism is not canon; go interview the 350,000,000+ people on this land and get back to me with the real data. Stating that there has NEVER been unity between white and black people is utter nonsense. Not everyone is as preoccupied with race as you are.

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Your biased opinions are anything but substantial. The so-called unity of this "country" is faux at best.
You are projecting again.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

You continue to lodge your attacks upon my views with the very same tactics used by the mainstream media; I said that what passes as news is more akin to entertainment, not that racism and prejudice is entertaining. Why would you do something so obvious that most people here can see right through? It makes you look foolish and shallow.

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Again, you may find racism and prejudice entertaining, but for others it is life and death.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

Specific to the topic that Sheriff Clarke comments on; the "black leaders" brought to the forefront to fuel the fires after incidents like Ferguson, profit through exploitation of these incidents. I did not presume anything regarding Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al; those are the faces and voices first on the scene when said exploitation occurs. I don't see african-americans removing them and contradicting them when they presume to "speak" for african-americans during such incidences.

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I think the Ferguson police department and court system did all the stoking (as well as exploitation). The Micheal Brown incident happened to be the the match that lit the fuse.
African-Americans have no burden, duty, or obligation to act as you feel they should according to your dictates.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

They do business under the names AL SHARPTON and JESSE JACKSON as well as others, RAINBOW COALITION, et al. Are these men providing a service or producing a product, other than RACE EXPLOITATION that I am not aware of? Where else does the "revenue" come from?

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Exploitation has been the business of the United States since before its founding.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

Leftist, "intellectuals" who have infiltrated the "higher learning" industry for the past several decades have been teaching the nonsense of "white guilt"; it seems to be working.

There is plenty of history to be read which does not coincide with your version of truth.

I prefer clarity over agreement.

BTW, your "scoreboard" isn't working; may want to get it fixed.

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Too bad you've presented none of this history to support your position or "clarity".

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

You make my point. Many people who claim His Name do the opposite of what He preached and how He lived. That does not mean that the "good book" teaches such nonsense; selfish, power hungry and evil people interpret anything in a manner which fits their nefarious intents. Do you believe that everyone who reads The Bible buys into the "Ham myth'?

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The Ham myth was good enough to give cover to evil.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

You impugn a man simply because he disagrees with your viewpoint. He doesn't agree with you so he is "willfully ignorant". I don't believe your view has been established as canon, unless I missed some special announcement. I would bet Sheriff Clarke would be more than capable of backing up his views with first-hand knowledge and a coherent grasp of his people's history. Why do you presume him ignorant of his own history; he seems like a very articulate man who speaks intelligently and eloquently while maintaining an honorable sense of ALL people's rights. The fact that you so harshly dismiss and belittle his views is more telling of you rather than him.

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I impugn the man for being willfully ignorant on the history of law enforcement and African-Americans in these United States.

Again, you mention this history you've had yet to present. I still await your submissions.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

What exactly did I "pull" from "Breitbart"? You may want to direct your vitriol to the original poster for that. I simply linked a youtube video from the CSPOA (Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association), a NY Times article (a bastion of conservatism???) and wikipedia. Does one automatically become part of the "conservative persuasion" by claiming to be a Constitutional Sheriff and a Peace Officer? Now it is you who is being willfully ignorant.

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Your source is from Breibart are you playing dumb?

[QUOTE=BLBereans;17228]Eric Holder the "race-baiter" and Al Sharpton "the charlatan" who is a "special adviser" to President Obama.

Is Holder a "race baiter" because police departments are being held accountable for their corruption?

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Any thugs, thieves and looters being prosecuted for their criminal behavior during the riots subsequent to the justified non-prosecution of Officer Darren Wilson?

Where does it state in any law that destruction of property, thievery and thuggery is permissible so long as one believes injustice is being done?

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Depends on how you butter your bread.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

What about the fact that there was no injustice done by Darren Wilson against Mike Brown according to the Grand Jury and the DoJ; and yet people willingly broke the law in defiance of peace and proper judgment.

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Seems the "law" and its administration in Ferguson,MO was rotten before this incident.

All of your answers are revealing; everyone can see that you prefer to be combative and dishonest.

It is painfully clear to any reasoned reader.

Move on.

As for myself only I appreciate the thoughtful work that shikamaru puts into making this place a wonderful learning ground. I find it refreshing that someone is bold enough to swim against the tidal current of established societal thought.

I trust that shikamaru is going nowhere.

Shalom,
MJ

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Depends on how you butter your bread.

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What is a gang to someone might be a government to someone else.

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Seems the "law" and its administration in Ferguson,MO was rotten before this incident.

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If you can even rightly call it a "government". Perhaps "junta", "tyranny, "cabal", "rape club", "mini-banana republic" or "gang" might find more appropriate use. Most people outside of Missouri probably have zero idea what its really like. In St. Louis County north of Olive Road, you might get a random road block in broad daylight. Go south, it gets more Jewish and the skin complexion gets paler, you don't get that kind of thing. Most all of the schools in St. Louis County would be in horrible shape if it were not for the mandatory (they were never voluntary) desegregation programs that caused hundreds of millions of dollars to be diverted out of "Black communities". What they call "government" in North St. Louis County is a system of snares and traps designed to oppress for the dollar's sake.

Property values in "Black communities" are kept low systematically because HUD and the Government promote the crime and drug hubs in those areas.

It is oppression that has bred crime.

In light of this discussion.....the following words ring kinda hollow (....just pointing out something that struck a chord w/ me).


"I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all"


....'course now-a-days, anybody'll tell ya what they think you wanna hear.....hardly anyone has the chutzpah to speak the truth.....probably get you a label as a "sovereign citizen"....they have special treatment for those y'know

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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As for myself only I appreciate the thoughtful work that shikamaru puts into making this place a wonderful learning ground. I find it refreshing that someone is bold enough to swim against the tidal current of established societal thought.

I trust that shikamaru is going nowhere.

Shalom,
MJ

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I agree, for the most part. However, the thread regards the opinions of Sheriff Clarke. I believe it is he who is the bold one swimming against the tidal current of established societal thought. If anyone bothered to listen to the many short videos in this thread, one can plainly discern he does NOT favor "party agendas" nor does he care about being labeled a traitor by his own people; he is a man who stands on the righteous principle that all men are equal in God's eyes. In my opinion, he genuinely cares equally for ALL people, regardless of race and only impugns unrighteous and evil behavior/actions by anyone, regardless of color.

Of course I agree that there are those who use positions of power to wrongfully enslave people and keep them down, however shikamaru speaks in absolutes: ALL, NEVER, NONE, etc., not a very sound or honest debate tactic in my opinion.

BTW, the "move on" suggestion was directed at his "mainstream media viewpoint" regarding the race discussion on this thread, not from the forum itself. There are other areas where I too appreciate his work, however, I try to evaluate each topic on its own rather than assume someone's opinion is ALWAYS correct on every topic.

See how easy it is to misinterpret even the most simple comment (move on) when one erroneously preconceives a false motive?

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In light of this discussion.....the following words ring kinda hollow (....just pointing out something that struck a chord w/ me).


"I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all"


....'course now-a-days, anybody'll tell ya what they think you wanna hear.....hardly anyone has the chutzpah to speak the truth.....probably get you a label as a "sovereign citizen"....they have special treatment for those y'know

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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In light of this discussion..... do you believe Sheriff Clarke's words ring hollow or is it the words of those that oppose him?

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In light of this discussion.....the following words ring kinda hollow (....just pointing out something that struck a chord w/ me).


"I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all"


....'course now-a-days, anybody'll tell ya what they think you wanna hear.....hardly anyone has the chutzpah to speak the truth.....probably get you a label as a "sovereign citizen"....they have special treatment for those y'know

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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Pledging to a flag? Pledging allegiance to matter? I pledge to a thought not the physical expression of the thought. I took vows to contract in marriage to my wife. I pledged to her in contract. I would be careful about pledging myself to anything. Consider those who join organizations whereupon they themselves have no rights to change the terms and conditions but they themselves are subject to those terms which may be changed from time to time by the Settlors is it wise to pledge to these?

"for which is stands" - if one has pledged to a Republic of the United States of America, then why isn't anyone supporting said Republic? It seems the commercial interests has led many into a Democratic Plutocracy.

Just mention the Republic today and watch the glazed look appear...what's that? And then in support of said Republic the Fox News types will yell out - love it or leave it - in their ignorance they are as liars. They took their pledge but refuse to honor it - self righteous hypocrites!

These days when I am at a sporting event, I remain seated - I will not pledge to a War Flag - my ensign is Christ!

Isa_11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Nevertheless that is just me and I shall not tell another man how to think.

Shalom,
MJ

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Of course I agree that there are those who use positions of power to wrongfully enslave people and keep them down, however shikamaru speaks in absolutes: ALL, NEVER, NONE, etc., not a very sound or honest debate tactic in my opinion.

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While I find Sheriff Clarke's taking a stand to be awesome, he might due to experience have trouble seeing Clarke's sincerity.

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All of your answers are revealing; everyone can see that you prefer to be combative and dishonest.

It is painfully clear to any reasoned reader.

Move on.

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Strange you express my sentiments exactly about you.

It is conservatives like you that get all bummed out when someone dares express an opinion that runs counter to your indoctrinated programming.

You can keep running into this wall. All you'll net is headaches and contusions.

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While I find Sheriff Clarke's taking a stand to be awesome, he might due to experience have trouble seeing Clarke's sincerity.

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As to my stance with law enforcement en toto, the medium is the message :).

Private, standing armies do PR all the time to keep active resistance to a minimum. Lull the conquered to sleep. So long as a minority of the populace can be monetized profitably, the system can maintain operation.

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What is a gang to someone might be a government to someone else.



If you can even rightly call it a "government". Perhaps "junta", "tyranny, "cabal", "rape club", "mini-banana republic" or "gang" might find more appropriate use. Most people outside of Missouri probably have zero idea what its really like. In St. Louis County north of Olive Road, you might get a random road block in broad daylight. Go south, it gets more Jewish and the skin complexion gets paler, you don't get that kind of thing. Most all of the schools in St. Louis County would be in horrible shape if it were not for the mandatory (they were never voluntary) desegregation programs that caused hundreds of millions of dollars to be diverted out of "Black communities". What they call "government" in North St. Louis County is a system of snares and traps designed to oppress for the dollar's sake.

Property values in "Black communities" are kept low systematically because HUD and the Government promote the crime and drug hubs in those areas.

It is oppression that has bred crime.

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This gives me more to chew on ... keep filling the plates as always, allodial.

You can consider those "communities" containment units.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ImeWd5gFTo

So much for equal application of the laws!!

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You can consider those "communities" containment units.

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Ever seen District 9? I know of a very honest and intelligence brown-skinned Christian (one of the most intelligent folks I've ever met) that lived near St. Louis in a quite nice neighbhorhod. He had a job a a manager at a restaurant and could easily ride his bike to work. He told me that EVERY MORNING the cops would stop him and detain him and question him in the same line of questioning for months and months. Among the questions was "Why don't you get a car?". Of course they were just attempting to get him to react in a way so they could arrest him.

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Those cops were behaving more like "Forest Wardens" and thusly revealing their hidden purpose or function. Maybe truckers are wiser than most realize in calling cops "Smokey". If he had a car, they would have had actual more "jurisdiction" over him. But, since he was avoiding going in debt over buying a car and being trapped into paying fees/fines, they harassed him daily--for not feeding the system (i.e. making their cousin/Brother rich).

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Similarly, if someone lived on a farm near a small town and walked took a 45 minute walk to get to work, cops might harass them into getting a car. "Why are you mysteriously walking at 5am in the morning? That's dangerous. Buy a car?"

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I have come across similar situations of someone who avoided car notes by buying cars in the 1000 to 3000 range and fixing them up. His relatives and the "Urban Watch" folks would make false calls on him ranging to nonsense to get him "pulled over" (they had sold into the system and were in debt so they envied him; the cops hated that he stayed out of trouble). So they called in a lie about his SUV being being "filled with debris" [i.e. a magazine and a newspaper on the guest seat (passenger is a commercial term; have guests rather than passengers) and all of the windows were tinted to limo black so you couldn't even see into the back of the SUV--I've seen the SUV. He kept it clean. Tools were in boxes. The tinting on the back was too dark to see through even in the daytime.].

They would steal his cars leaving him without a way to get to work. Of course his tools were in the car too (tools that he used for his car repair and concrete business--they were in tool boxes) and so they would SELL THE TOOLS AND THE CARS/TRUCKS once they towed them! They stole three vans, one SUV and three cars from him all based on lies--and the cars were parked on private property! The situation was so nasty the FBI took over the City towing system.

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When he started running into financial trouble, people came along offering him $10K a trip to run drugs from Mexico to St. Louis, they even attempted to bait him into getting involved in running prostitutes (they wanted him to use his skills and intelligence to help boost their cashflow and used those kinds of tactics to oppress). Of course, cops were involved.

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He always had a backup plan and had written a very good screenplay was about to sell it. Yet, someone (a drug dealer and pawn) stole his manuscript and took it a municipal judge who sold it and took credit for it. When he attempted to seek redress, they threatened to have him arrested. For what?

The know that he could make millions. So they used police tools, gang stalking, etc. to follow him, to break into his house--to gain excuses to search his bags (looking for $$$ information).

Of course, there is no allegiance as to citizenship in a situation like that--because citizenship is a bilateral contract. But they would try to make claims based on presumed citizenship which the "Government" itself has vitiated.

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They told this DEA agent not to enforce drug laws in white areas. Really.

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The key is cleansing those organizations of the corruption. Most of it appears to exist because of secret society membership. Its pretty obvious that "White Neighbhoors" are were the drugs are used and "Black Neighborhoods" are were the drugs are purchased. If Police Chief A knows that Fraternal Brother B is profiting from selling drugs, Police Chief A tells the cops to look the other way or be fired or even worse. I have rarely ever seen cocaine used or laid out on the table in a Black neighborhood party. However, go to a 20 million dollar mansion on the other side of town, cocaine laid out in in lines on mirrors might "normal" at a 16 y/o's birthday party. "Black" neighborhoods are oppressed because they know hardly anyone would sell drugs unless they are in such a #### up situation where they have to do it to survive--same with prostitution.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

This gives me more to chew on ... keep filling the plates as always, allodial.

You can consider those "communities" containment units.

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Funny, allodial was the one who "filled the plate" with the "Breitbart" sourced video which you continue to "chew on".

I agree with allodial's comment, "...I find Sheriff Clarke's taking a stand to be awesome..." and with Sheriff Clarke's sentiments; in my opinion, your views do not coincide with either.

It is you who is bummed out because I do not buy into your absolutism on the issue.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Ever seen District 9? I know of a very honest and intelligence brown-skinned man (one of the most intelligent folks I've ever met) that lived near St. Louis in a quite nice neighbhorhod. He had a job a a manager at a restaurant and could easily ride his bike to work. He told me that EVERY MORNING the cops would stop him and detain him and question him in the same line of questioning for months and months. Among the questions was "Why don't you get a car?". Those cops are behaving more like "Forest Wardens". If he had a car, they would have had actual more "jurisdiction" over him. Since he was avoiding going in debt over buying a car and being trapped into paying fees/fines, they harassed him daily.

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Palani (from another forum) was big on Forest Law (royal demense) in English history.

Seems Forest Law was 'outside the law'. Rights were curtailed rather than wholesale abrogation or removal.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

I agree with allodial's comment, "...I find Sheriff Clarke's taking a stand to be awesome..." and with Sheriff Clarke's sentiments; in my opinion, your views do not coincide with either.

It is you who is bummed out because I do not buy into your absolutism on the issue.

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No, you are projecting.
Conservatives are the most offended (and combative) when you don't toe their ideological line.
You are free to your opinion. Just don't ever expect my agreement with it.

At this point, no budging shall occur. We can simply leave it at we mutually disagree with our counter-party's arguments and position.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

No, you are projecting.
Conservatives are the most offended (and combative) when you don't toe their ideological line.
You are free to your opinion. Just don't ever expect my agreement with it.

At this point, no budging shall occur. We can simply leave it at we mutually disagree with our counter-party's arguments and position.

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No one else supports your false assertion that I am "projecting"; you keep repeating that in the hopes that someone may actually believe it.

I already have stated that I prefer clarity over agreement; it is not my intent to get you to agree, just to clarify the reasons for the stance taken on the threads topic.

BTW, who said I am a "conservative"?

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I already have stated that I prefer clarity over agreement; it is not my intent to get you to agree, just to clarify the reasons for the stance taken on the threads topic.

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You mean you seek consensus from others.
Even if I am the only one here with these opinions and stances, I continue to stand upon them as a reflection of my experiences.

A majority only means something in a democracy.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

BTW, who said I am a "conservative"?

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You gave yourself away as soon as you used "liberal" as a pejorative.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

Millions (of other African-Americans) support my position.
You just happen to be one who doesn't. Not that I would expect you to being you haven't walked this road.
My assertions are true and factual. I would support them with first hand, personal testimony from personal experience.
How about you?



You prefer your opinion. No denying that.
Your biases are clear. I wouldn't deny that.
You've provided no clarity. I wouldn't deny that either.

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Millions (of other African-Americans) support your false assertion that I am "projecting"??? Wow, how do you know that? Do I have that much widespread influence that you have garnered a consensus of "millions" who see this supposed "projection"? Please be honest and actually read what I write before you dry-heave your responses.

I believe that many, many people support Sheriff Clarke, and he actually has PROOF; he was re-elected with the support of many black votes in his community.

I believe Sheriff Clarke's assertions are true and factual and he supports them with first hand, personal testimony from personal experience. That is what upsets you.

Of course I prefer my opinion, do you not prefer yours? What a redundant statement.

Your biases are painfully clear, anyone can see that.

I've provided the clarity that I agree with Sheriff Clarke's comments; it is you who are denying him simply because he is able to intelligently articulate a common sense stance that differs with yours. The fact that he is "African-American" is really at the heart of your vitriol.

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I've provided the clarity that I agree with Sheriff Clarke's comments; it is you who are denying him simply because he is able to intelligently articulate a common sense stance that differs with yours. The fact that he is "African-American" is really at the heart of your vitriol.

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The fact he is "African-American, he should know better. We all make choices, however.

I'm going to say that the usage of Sheriff Clarke by law enforcement and the conservative media is the same tactic that was used by Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood to sell their wares irrespective of the soundness of it all.

Nothing new. A common technique used throughout history.

If not the above, at least it makes conservatives feel good about themselves.

Sheriff Clarke seems legit to me. He is not "police officer". If he was a major-city Chief of Police, I might call it 'soup'. But he is a real, on the line sheriff (not a police officer, you really have to get the police and liberals vs sheriff and de jure government paradigm behind this thread). Chiefs of Police tend to be inexperienced appointees without any police experience. As for cops, there are also those like Jack McLamb (see video below). There are many good cops. It takes a certain patience and perspective to see how even cops can be trapped into something they didn't intend to be involved in. Its important to realize that those that use badges and government to perpetrate crimes are not government, but are criminals in disguise pretending to be government officials (18 USC 241 speaks of going about in disguise). At the least, pray to have them flushed out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26CLBf8t5I

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

You mean you seek consensus from others.
Even if I am the only one here with these opinions and stances, I continue to stand upon them as a reflection of my experiences.

A majority only means something in a democracy.



You gave yourself away as soon as you used "liberal" as a pejorative.

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You are either intentionally lying or demented; show everyone where I used the word "liberal" in this thread even once.

It is your "plate-filler" allodial who has used that word on numerous occasions within this thread. Will you now label allodial a "conservative" for using said "pegorative"?

This isn't the first time you have done this; I NEVER attached or pasted anything from "Breitbart" as you also falsely accused.

This is why I do not hold your opinion in any regard on this topic; you are obviously blinded by your ideology to the point of accusing me of things I do not do.

Sound like a familiar tactic used by the "mainsteam media" who also hold the same opinions as you. Thank God we have people like Sheriff Clarke who are honest and honorable when expressing their opinions even in the face of the vitriol coming from people like you.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

You are either intentionally lying or demented; show everyone where I used the word "liberal" in this thread even once.

It is your "plate-filler" allodial who has used that word on numerous occasions within this thread. Will you now label allodial a "conservative" for using said "pegorative"?

This isn't the first time you have done this; I NEVER attached or pasted anything from "Breitbart" as you also falsely accused.

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You are right. Several errors made on my part.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

This is why I do not hold your opinion in any regard on this topic; you are obviously blinded by your ideology to the point of accusing me of things I do not do.

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That's fine. I stills stand on my opinion.

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Originally Posted by BLBereans

Sound like a familiar tactic used by the "mainsteam media" who also hold the same opinions as you. Thank God we have people like Sheriff Clarke who are honest and honorable when expressing their opinions even in the face of the vitriol coming from people like you.

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Don't forget those millions of African-Americans who hold this opinion as well.