That's not what I said. Sometimes there is too much government spending; sometimes there is not enough, and sometimes there is just the right amount. Call it the "Goldilocks Theory", if that will help you.
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That's not what I said. Sometimes there is too much government spending; sometimes there is not enough, and sometimes there is just the right amount. Call it the "Goldilocks Theory", if that will help you.
Oh! a quadruple posting; so like someone else I know. I just wanted to see your 1900 silver dollar. Most collectors are quite proud of their coins and eager to show them off - unless of course - you don't own one. That would be embarrassing wouldn't it? To say you're a coin collector, talk about a 1900 silver dollar and then not be able to provide a picture of it like I did!
I know a bit about the Great Depression, my Dad was born into it and as a kid went shoeless all summer. It's funny but as poor as the family was, he recalls those days like they were the best years of his life.
Did I call you [redacted]? I'm sorry; Freudian slip. Would you like me to remove it? Hey, speaking of Freud ... did you know that Edward Bernays, the father of PR & propaganda, was Freud's double nephew?
- Edward Bernays in Propaganda (1928)Quote:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
I think it is a big Internet JohnnyCash. Additionally the "Q" is quite frankly lacking a dimension of entertainment since I have been banished too so it makes sense that some of the members there might be meandering over here.
My point is that I feel your presumptions that everybody who makes some traditional party line opinions, in your opinion deserves to be badgered about being an attorney "Q" type. Please limit your badgering and accusations to one or two posts and then let it go.
Thanks, David. I came onto this forum to share what I have to say, when I have something which I feel with be helpful to the posts which I see here; and beyond that I don't care to take up space with extended arguments.
Mr. Bobbinville, I purchased this coin from a fellow in Germany. What do you make of it?
And a very happy Fourth of July holiday to all.
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ooo very nice Noah, thank you. Yes David, the Q has lost most all entertainment value without you. Though it's perfectly understandable why they would banish. After all I waltzed in there a rank HENDRICKSON beginner, discovered the quatlosers had no real answer to redeeming lawful money & nothing but ridicule for you. So I parlayed that into remedy and a 6-year victory over the bankster's IRS. They couldn't risk that happening again!
And look who is following along with our conversation as revealed at FreedomWatch. Yes our beloved "jesse james" who you see adopted a nasty tone towards me (for what purpose I can only guess). Perhaps he forgot I'm immune to his venom.
Yes, I may be wrong about "bobbinville" ... but perhaps I see things others don't. What if half the logins here belong to the Q?
I wonder who bobbinville's expert is? Pottapauq?.
That's a very nice piece, Noah. One of my specialties is German coins of the Second Reich. It looks like the Long Beard variety, which in 2006 was worth $250 in Fine condition. The "D" means that the coin was struck at the Munich Mint (which still strikes coins today).
For the sake of you Suitors who are not coin collectors: after 1873, all Germans used the same coins from 1 Pfennig up through 1 Mark. For 2 Mark, 3 Mark and 5 Mark coins (silver) and 5 Mark (briefly), 10 Mark and 20 Mark (gold), most coins bore the portrait of the Kaiser and King of Prussia; but the other German kingdoms, principalities. grand duchies, duchies, free cities and so on were allowed to mint their own coinage, using the common reverse and the imperial coinage standards. The Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen was located in what is now the "Land" (State) of Thuringia; and the last Duke abdicated in 1918. Noah has, not just a valuable and attractive coin, but a nice piece of history -- which is one reason why I, too, collect German coins.
As for whether any Quatloosians are over here under other guises... so what? If you believe in what you say, you should be able to defend it to anyone.
No, that is Short Beard variety of Georg II - Large Crowned Imperial Eagle with the cropped beard, 90% silver. See here is the Long beard - notice the end of the beard is rounded and nearly touches the ring of dots.
Thanks for the correction. I didn't have a pic of the short beard variety; but I'll save your database as a resource.
Well, well, well. Bobbinville failed the test. Thank you Noah.
The self-described coin collector of 54 years specializing in German coins of the Second Reich ... erred on a Second Reich coin. Why am I not surprised.
I would just like to alert members that some posters are very likely not who they purport to be. It's easy enough to get a login & hide behind a fake-IP. Indeed if Martha Stout is correct, some users might be that 1/25th of the populace without a conscience, who can lie and not feel bad about it.. at all. And wouldn't such a user be useful to the banksters or the Cabal controlled U.S. Government who must rely on the compliance and conditioning of the masses?
You have been warned. I will leave it at that.
I imagine Poppycock is reading here daily if not a registered member. I think that with all the conversation we had I would recognize him very quickly should he start to post. I am blessed to have much healthier things on my mind.
I do not disqualify your intuition. Try imagining yourself in my position though. I do not enjoy contemplating banishing somebody, for whatever reason, and that may be especially because they tote an attorney's perspective and experience. I enjoy skepticism as it hones the effectiveness of remedy. - Rather than debunks it.
If somebody can debunk remedy as we describe it here, that is good too. I pursue truth.
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Even if I was Pottapauq, so what? I've certainly avoided stirring up arguments like you see regularly on Quatloos; and as I said in my last post, that's not why I'm here. As for experts, there are plenty to choose from. If you're talking about the law, I have several college classmates who are lawyers (one, who works for the IRS, has been very helpful about how the IRS just doesn't bother with some people because the collection effort isn't worth the expected recovery. If coins, several of my friends are nationally prominent in the hobby.
As for being wrong about the German coin: I tend to concentrate on the minor coins, not on the German states silver/gold issues; and lately I have tended to work much more on Swiss coins (1850 to date). I only began a significant German collection within the last 10 years; before that, it was mostly British Commonwealth.
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That is fairly convincing - not Jay but Poppycock. So what? Primarily it means that you would be casting direct slurs about remedy as I present interpretation of §16 of the Fed Act and Title 12 USC §411 in accord with Wserra's blog on "Q". - But rather with me having to display directly intrusive privacy violations I can continue to enjoy the people exercising remedy from this website do so from their own understanding of it, rather than depending on proven examples. Around here most members seem to believe JohnnyCash and other sanitized examples as true. More importantly though, the metaphysics around successful application of remedy comes from heart math.Quote:
As for whether any Quatloosians are over here under other guises... so what? If you believe in what you say, you should be able to defend it to anyone.
I maintain my theory that what killed Q in popularity and interesting reading was when Wserra began linking the Libel of Review cases published on PACER. Showing good people's private information for ridicule feels bad and that is what does it - when people identify with being "outed" from anonymity on the Internet.
This is Bobbinville's first Post:
Bobbinville's most recent post:
With JohnnyCash's intuition in support it certainly makes sense that Poppycock would become bored with Q and find himself registering here. Quite directly then:
Are you Pottapauq?
I enjoy the probability that you are because it really does make comment how Q has become so boring without Harvester and Myself shredding Wserra's slurs. Of course Webhick has programmed the website chat area so that I am blind unless I borrow an IP by proxy or surf on anybody else's computer. - Which I also find highly entertaining that she would trouble with me; trying to keep me from reading such a boring website. So let's pretend that you intend to behave indefinitely... I will be treating you appropriately and reading your posts much more carefully for the gist that you are intending to attack remedy according to law.
It is amusing to me that I can address your first and last posts at once:Quote:
The only problem is that, even if the courts indeed don't care what the law says, it is the courts which make the decisions as to what the law is and means...
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Originally Posted by US v Rickman; 638 F.2d 182
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Originally Posted by US v Ware; 608 F.2d 400
I amplify your point with Colorado constitutional law being that only the county court judges are allowed to practice law at all. The appeals justices are bound to "authority" or case law (common law) stare decisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA v. Thomas 319 F.3d 640
However I believe that my days of moderating you, or many others for that matter are coming to a close. I might well be casting an advertisement for all registered members ever here to take another look around and well, since they are already registered users there might be a flurry of interest in American Remedy. It could be that I would be overwhelmed from brain trust and other career interests to maintain this as "my" website feeling responsible for defending the integrity of remedy here by being a watchdog against the Poppycocks of the Internet.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Originally Posted by bobbinville
The essence of legal tender laws? The attempt to stop Gresham's Law?
This presumes we are speaking of precious metal specie vs. clad coinage.
No. I am not here to attack remedy, redeeming lawful money, R4C, AFV or anything of the sort. However, since people seem more focused on who I am rather than what I have to say, and seem ready to nitpick my posts on the assumption that I am Pottapauq, maybe it's time to say so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen goodbye. I had hoped to be here and offer the occasional nonconfrontational comment; but it's clear that I can no longer do so. In closing, though, I will say that I go onto this site, and Quatloos, not to be entertained but to be educated and informed.
Good luck, Suitors.
That was the presumption.
I have enjoyed establishing a sound basis about redeeming lawful money around here. Now I am debating whether or not to leave the foundation and let things take the course they will - only bringing up defense when it is brought to my attention.
Then again I could just drop it. Last I heard Q is doing some pretty good advertising for us here at StSC. If you read my post carefully it was encouraging you to stay and learn here. Being that you came here from there I will be looking for opportunities to explain the benefits of American Remedy as found in the law.
If you would like to discuss the intricacies of coins, great! I suggest that you might start new threads when posts start getting off the thread topic.
Aww, he is taking his ball and going home. Pity. Maybe he was afraid we'd ask another numismatic question.
No; it's just that I'm tired of nitpicking like yours, and obsession over whether I am a Quatloosian in disguise rather than what I have to say. At any rate, any further posts from me will be of the most innocuous sort.
Actually, the picture in your post, being of a British half crown, is right up my alley, since I've specialized in British coinage (especially farthings; I've got all but three die varieties from 1860 on) for much longer than I've specialized in German coinage (and again, I concentrate on the national issues, not on the minor royalties, although I have a few of them). When I retire, I may well expand into the minor royalties, as well as trying to complete my Swiss (1850-) collection.
But then, David makes a good point about this thread getting off-topic; so I'll say no more about coins here.
I will start a thread...
That is only an example though. Unless you wish intentionally to combine CtC with numismatics, just start a thread somewhere appropriate.
P.S. I called bobbinville Poppinsville? A subconscious slip I guess.
Yes, and the W4 or W9 you signed set you up to be obligated to a Subtitle A tax liability, collected by your employer operating as a withholding agent (as defined in 26 USC 7701a16). Had you known or been informed of exactly what that tax was and who it by law applies to and that you could opt out of it using a 26 CFR 31.3402(n) citation on the W4 or W9, you most certainly would have. And since there was no full disclosure, then you could not have formed an intent of purposeful availment to obligate yourself to a tax imposed on 26 CFR 1.1441, 1442 and 1443 described individuals/entities, and therefore the signature on that W4 / W9 is an unauthorized signature.
Might I suggest CAUTION in considering Team Law. I don't know what they are now promoting, but Eric Madsen's promotion of filing 1041 in treating the SSN as a trust account back in the late 90's is causing trouble. Seeand drill down to Former Illinois Town Supervisor Sentenced for Tax Fraud. I know of another who's brother was caught up in this too.HTML Code:http://www.irs.gov/uac/Examples-of-Abusive-Tax-Schemes-Fiscal-Year-2013
Madsen's advice led to difficulty for me, which led me to PH's CtC. The statutory logic I find to be quite clean. My concern is hearing stories that people are running into trouble in the back end. Further, I went some time with no presumption and no need to file. Now, with this new 1099-K, radar is back on and the seed was sown, now reaping in the form of a NtcO'Lvy. Can you hear the sucking sound? I have two years to deal with and don't wish to wait much longer for fear of falling deeper into a $h!thole! I wish to stop the bleeding, but eating the red pill makes it very difficult to just throw up my hands. However, I have some precious cargo to lose now that I did not have in the earlier years.
Here is what I wish to know. In learning the Lesson Plan at StSClub, what might one form as an expectation to be able to accomplish through the use of your information?
I read through this thread so far with attachments. Help me understand the benefit of the trust and LOR when they approach from the living man, and yet my understanding is that the strawman is the entity under irs attack.
Further, have any of you studied creditorsincommerce.com?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hello TMI, welcome to the forum.
DH and I also got burned by dabbling with Pete H's CtC, and it cost us lots of time and money.
We did some experimenting, because we have little to loose and no dependents.
The Libel of Review is a great learning experience for those of us who never learned to contract properly, but the i r s completely ignores it, as it issues from living men and women, not PERSONS, which is all they deal with. They do not perceive live humans.
After experimenting with Lawful Money and tax returns, I came to the following conclusion:
When a man/woman signs a W-4 or gives an SSN to receive a 1099, for the purpose of getting paid in bank checks, which are then deposited or cashed at a bank where said man/woman has a PERSONAL or BUSINESS bank account, tied to an SSN or TIN, that man/woman's PERSON is then considered to be engaging in a "trade or business" with the UNITED STATES and is a TAXPAYER, obligated to file INCOME TAX RETURNS with the i r s.
Or in other words, anyone getting paid via bank checks or direct deposits is a slave who has no rights or freedoms whatsoever, a mere "human resource" of the bankers.
IMO, the only real Lawful Money there is is gold and silver coin or other precious commodities with intrinsic value, and in desperate times FRNs in the form of cash can also be used as Lawful Money, IF they are not going through a bank account.
The two bankers I've conversed with on this topic both said that 12 USC 411 has nothing to do with banking or income taxes.
I still use the LM verbiage recommended here on StSC on the back of checks, but I don't have a bank account anymore.
The i r s lost interest in me after I gave up PERSONAL banking.
I consider all checks made out to my PERSON to be taxable income because they issue from a US bank to a US PERSON (slave), but I never get high enough amounts in any given tax year to have to file a return.
There are other members here who do not at all agree with my assessment of the situation, but these are my personal conclusions, based on my personal experiences.
Others have other experiences, based on their own circumstances.
I believe that taking "lawful money deductions" on i r s tax return filings, while being engaged in banking as a US PERSON will ultimately result in frivolous filing penalties, just like CtC filings did after some years of seeming success.
This is my 2 cents worth.
Thank you Treefarmer;
Being in the middle of a high number of suitors who have filed the Libel of Review and gone through the Lesson Plan I find your perspective and perceptions agreeable. I get a statistical gist that people who become suitors from Pete's CtC drag a residual attachment to private credit. Another factor seems to be being in the financial industry - as it is endorsement by trade.
I reconcile this to your experience in that a bank account may be assigned like a financial endeavor for profit. Evidence of being a state bank so to speak. However the remedy is for state banks so to me, the baggage comes from Pete's CtC. I stretch to make these correlations make sense though. I have a great memory for these details and categorize events as I hear of them.
1099's are information returns that are REBUTTABLE! :cool:
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The two bankers I've conversed with on this topic both said that 12 USC 411 has nothing to do with banking or income taxes.
This comment lingered. I read it as a commentary on either banker ignorance or obfuscation. Title 12 of the USC is titled Banks and Banking.
Yes, that's the central irony of it all, I'm glad you pointed this out David.
This is more evidence that logic and reason have no place in the beast power structure.
At the same bank where the manager told me that 12 USC 411 has nothing to do with banking, a teller told me that an SSN is not at all a TIN and does not serve the same function, even though the bank document which I was filling out, over which we were having this conversation, stated above the box in question: "enter Social Security number (TIN) here".
This is the reality we have to live with.
This is why I closed my last bank account.
I like logic and reason, and this illogical and un-reasonable banking system is repugnant to my way of thinking, besides being in transgression of Yehovah Elohim's Law of Liberty.
Thanks again Treefarmer! I wanted a link to the entire passage:
Yes, that's the central irony of it all, I'm glad you pointed this out David.
This is more evidence that logic and reason have no place in the beast power structure.
At the same bank where the manager told me that 12 USC 411 has nothing to do with banking, a teller told me that an SSN is not at all a TIN and does not serve the same function, even though the bank document which I was filling out, over which we were having this conversation, stated above the box in question: "enter Social Security number (TIN) here".
This is the reality we have to live with.
This is why I closed my last bank account.
I like logic and reason, and this illogical and un-reasonable banking system is repugnant to my way of thinking, besides being in transgression of Yehovah Elohim's Law of Liberty.
What do they say? Never trust a banker. Of course the SSN is a TIN, and an EIN (employer identification number) is a TIN too.
I was talking with a relative of my wife's over vacation, a retired DC attorney, about how I discovered the hoax of our monetary system a few years back. How the bank monetized my signature to create new currency they then loaned me, how our currency is no longer backed by anything real, etcetera. I don't recall the exact words but his immediate reaction was like "of course the banks do that, I learned that long ago, this is how modern economies run." I don't think he was trying to BS me (suppose anything is possible); in his mind it was just perfectly normal.
So from what I see, there really is nothing that works effectively at this time when it comes to earning a living and not having to file and pay the machine. As I interpret things, this is largely due to the fact that we generally in one way or another have been forced to operate with the strawman front, and since we use the FRN private credit and no entity recognizes or honors 12-411 redemption, nor do they recognize the private setoff and settlement in the public, one is incessantly pursued to PAY UP!
Yes, you can mow lawns or do something else that keeps you in the cash arena and not create income presumptions (information returns) and be left alone. However, if one wishes to do anything that might involve collecting earning using credit cards or other means of getting ahead...forget it, yes?
I am witness to many people with bank accounts who are getting full income tax refunds. Believe it or not we consider it a great success story whenever a suitor has two or more years of redeeming lawful money refunds applied to back taxes. This demonstrates contemplation by the IRS and its attorneys quite convincingly. They evaluate the refund quite carefully and then apply it against past liabilities.
It is blatant admission that our interpretation of making this demand is correct:
They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand...
We do have some problems however, mainly with three suitors who are all in the financial markets - financial advisers and a banker working in International Settlements for a major international bank. Otherwise like with Treefarmer there are several suitors who are recovering Pete victims dealing with past tax liabilities and fairly innocuous FrivPens that are consistently managed, mostly by Refusal for Cause.
I can testify that redeeming lawful money works. As learned from David, I've been doing it for years, received a full IRS refund in 2008 and have no IRS issues.
Recently I have noticed very little activity from the agent provocateurs at other freedom-oriented sites, but observe they remain quite active here. This would elevate SavingToSuitorsClub.net to the premier site on the internet for freedom, tax honesty & all things sovereign.
And if any quatlosers are here I observe they are not using their same usernames. This seems to say they prefer anonymity, that they realize they would likely lose any argument based on facts, law & logic and such loss would reflect poorly on them and their brand. In other words, they can't bring it. They've admitted loss from the get-go.
I have observed the agents can be grouped into categories:
THE COMPLICATOR
This persona will take a fairly simple concept and add revisions to the point of complication. The purpose is probably to render it ineffective, or perhaps make it difficult to comprehend.
THE DEMORALIZER
The attitude here is nothing works; it's hopeless, just give up. If remedy can be stopped by thought patterns then here is your clue. We suitors are experiencing a 90 to 100% victory over the IRS depending on the definition of success.
THE DISTRACTOR
This one likes long, rambling posts often full of statutory mish-mash like 3141(a) wages and so forth. The point here is probably just to have seekers chase their tails on fools errands.
THE DUMMY
This one is usually a brief I don't understand, can you explain it all ... in detail ... step-by-step? Of course not everyone asking for explanation is an agent which makes this one hard to ferret out. I'm uncertain what the purpose is here. Maybe just to waste the respondent's time or to ascertain their level of understanding ... for further targeting by the Odgen campus(?)
THE MIMIC
This one just mimics what they've learned here, sometimes answering another agent. Not sure of the point. Maybe just to establish cred to then later come in to slur remedy.
THE RIDICULER
This one is easily spotted - he thinks you're all paranoid nut cases. I don't think we've had any here since JesseJames.
Whenever anybody was pushing 1099 stuff I would always request they select the Application from the Instructions they were utilizing.
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Specific Instructions for Form 1099-OID
• File Form 1099-OID, Original Issue Discount, if the original issue discount (OID) includible in gross income is at least $10 and you are any of the following:
• An issuer with any bond outstanding or other evidence of indebtedness in registered or bearer form issued with OID;
• An issuer of a certificate of deposit (CD) made, purchased, or renewed after 1970 if the CD has OID and a term of more than 1 year (see Caution on page 4);
• A financial institution having other deposit arrangements, such as time deposits or bonus-savings plans, if the arrangements have OID and a term of more than 1 year;
• A broker or other middleman holding an OID obligation, including CDs, as nominee for the actual owner;
• A trustee or middleman of a WHFIT or widely held mortgage trust (WHMT); or,
• A real estate mortgage investment conduit (REMIC), a holder of an ownership interest in a financial asset securitization investment trust (FASIT), or an issuer of a collateralized debt obligation (CDO).
Also, file Form 1099-OID for any person for whom you withheld and paid any foreign tax on OID or from whom you withheld (and did not refund) any federal income tax under the backup withholding rules even if the amount of the OID is less than $10.
Whenever anybody was pushing 1099 stuff I would always request they select the Application from the Instructions they were utilizing.
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Specific Instructions for Form 1099-OID
• File Form 1099-OID, Original Issue Discount, if the original issue discount (OID) includible in gross income is at least $10 and you are any of the following:
• An issuer with any bond outstanding or other evidence of indebtedness in registered or bearer form issued with OID;
• An issuer of a certificate of deposit (CD) made, purchased, or renewed after 1970 if the CD has OID and a term of more than 1 year (see Caution on page 4);
• A financial institution having other deposit arrangements, such as time deposits or bonus-savings plans, if the arrangements have OID and a term of more than 1 year;
• A broker or other middleman holding an OID obligation, including CDs, as nominee for the actual owner;
• A trustee or middleman of a WHFIT or widely held mortgage trust (WHMT); or,
• A real estate mortgage investment conduit (REMIC), a holder of an ownership interest in a financial asset securitization investment trust (FASIT), or an issuer of a collateralized debt obligation (CDO).
Also, file Form 1099-OID for any person for whom you withheld and paid any foreign tax on OID or from whom you withheld (and did not refund) any federal income tax under the backup withholding rules even if the amount of the OID is less than $10.