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1. The job of the prosecutor is to find a surety for the charges.
The charges are placed on a registration.
We show up to court because we think the registration which holds the chargers is in fact us.
A third party (us) appears in court. Prosecutor is very happy that they found a surety other wise they will be the surety. After all who brought the chargers to the court?
Judge is the banker making sure that the books are balanced.
He is trusted to managing their accounts.
2. I strongly disagree with that statement. It has everything to do with the case.
3. I agree with this statement. Its evidence of a certificate.
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page...A711E890A016FA
Birth Certificates
Your birth certificate is an important legal document that establishes who you are, and when and where you were born. A birth certificate is required for many important applications like passport, the medical services plan, social insurance number, and school enrollment.
You see what the BC is evidencing? Who you are.
It makes you a third party to their affairs.
A cling-on.
Why do they want you in this position?
Because they need a surety.
There is talk in this thread of giving the BC back.
That's great but did you cancel it?
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAs...a410b_fill.pdf
If a CLERK calls the NAME its 3RD party if otherwise tell me my court calamity is i am no person convey that and how a judge is inclined to re-present the NAME then enter a plea based on WHAT AUTHORITY i gave this 3rd party person their bc a dl a hydro bill it was kept and entered as evidence of what to me evident a person exists on paper only, if i regret writing a SUICIDE note yet as the author i am its highest AUTHORITY once im deceased no standing is evidence based on the note alone forget a body giving 3rd dimension testimony a honey badger gets both in nature 3rd party gets stung
Are you so sure? What name is on the Birth Certificate? What name is on the driver license? What name is on the phone bill? What name is on the passport (word and letter order matters)? Who has the competence to tell the difference between "John Henry Doe" and "John H. Doe" and "Doe John H." and "Doe John Henry" (Hooked On Phonics, anyone)? Who is lacking reading skills to the extent they might not be able see that those are all different names? In legal style in the USA and most all English-speaking jurisdictions, "H" would drop out. Abbreviations only hold up for popular acronyms like USA or NHL or UK. What if it is instead that John H Doe is at the DMV identified as the person holding the birth certificate?
Attachment 2576
(Rarely are birth certificate 'names' shown with any abbreviations. Note the uppercase nonetheless.)
Attachment 2578
Evidence of an entry in a register? What is the significance of 'being in that register'?
[ Don't I establish who I are/is?]
What if presenting it instead of establishing your identity serves the purpose of establishing the particulars of the person whose estate you are administering? What if presenting the birth certificate is not at all different than presenting a Certificate of Incorporation from the Secretary of State?
I reiterate, the person named on the birth certificate is not likely ever presumed party as defendant to any court proceeding.
They call the name JOHN H DOE not the name on the birth certificate. Simply put and restated (from above): if you answer in a "court" to the name John H Doe you will be taken to be surety or accommodation party for that person.
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Even if John H Doe is called for a child support case, the birth certificate they are looking at is that of the CHILD. Then they will look at the FATHER's (almost always the lowest name on the birth certificate--first in line surety--so much for "gender equality", eh?). Then they will look to find out who is the administrator for that FATHER person (psst! the DMV might have a clue).
If you really want to know who the birth certificate belongs to, you can ask the appropriate State official.
P.S. In many jurisdictions there is writing on a birth certificate that it is not to be used for ID --SS card was (and maybe still is) the same.
P.S.2: Vanity can be a liability.
IMHO you're better off seeing the judge as a referee or arbiter (although membership on the Bar with the prosecuting attorney is a wee bit of conflict of interest). The prosecuting attorney is the plaintiff (revenue collector?) for all practical purposes.
Since the plaintiff is complaint-ive and the defendant is thereby accused (some say its related to the word 'accursed'). The court or tribunal might consist of the referee (judge) and the court clerk at the very least--psst the court building isn't the court. Consider the idea of rending a tennis court to resolve a dispute--and of course there is a fee to be paid the line judge and the score keeper to compensate them for their time.
Participation in the case and membership in the court are separate matters from the relationship between the alleged debtor and the alleged creditor.
BC, DL, passport, phone bill , doesn't matter.
All are judicial persons. You own none of them, but you can be all of them.
Ask your self these questions with all the accounts listed above.
Who is the "accommodating party"?
Who's the "principal obligor"?
Who's the "secondary obligor"?
What do you by "doesn't matter"? What "doesn't matter" to whom? Also, I wouldn't be so errant (or foolish) as to claim ownership of those persons in a unwise manner. Owner is synonymous with surety. The nihilistic approach is how fruitful? It aint , you cant, it wont. But what about what can, is, will?
I'm not sure how answering those questions apply to my circumstance. While they might apply to others. The SSAN is an account number. The driver license number is an account number. The names are not necessarily accounts. The mistake many have made is that they think they know when they do not. They make wide sweeping mental leaps and merge things that are distinct and different--too quick to be 'aha I got you' and rather than realizing that they might need to slow down and stop making (vain) presumptions.
http://www.oddwiring.com/projects/Fr...ertificate.jpg
Attachment 2579
The name on the birth certificate is not the same name on a driver license--it is not something I type that anyone can say is "wild and elusive and so vurray mysterious" BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK FOR YOURSELF. With respect to a driver license a man can take suretyship by singing underneath (undewriting). With respect to a court case, by answering to the name of the *defendant*. There is an unmistakable pattern if you look at things from the eyes of a child rather than of an adult that thinks he/she knows everything.
Is "water pump" the same as "pump water"? Is Jensen Dakota the same Dakota Jensen?
It might be safe to say that the solution is between your ears which has been much the point, but when someone sees that they are reading (int) things with cognitive dyslexia and functionally illiteracy and can be humble in that realization (pissed..at yourself?)--then yes the solution can be between the ears because the that is where the problem has been.
elsewhere some are saying to get the certificate of live birth authenticated and it will then be an original in your possession and since the Birth certificate is made by the certificate of live birth (the actual matrix or original instrument) they would then be your property.
I would like to verify/confirm that authentication process does actually make an original instrument out of a copy>
anyone? there are several reports of this process working to start another more involved process of what ends in diplomatic imunity.
alodial you and MJ are have interesting coversations and it may not seem like it but I think you both bring out the best in each other, the best useful info anyway. Ive given up on finding any real solutions at this site and David Merrill seems to have lost intrest a while ago on these subjects. so much for lesson plans LOL
previous members, many who posted on this thread also seemed to have moved on except the one guy with two different usernames taling to himself in this thread but thats no longer possible since one of him is banned now.
I really mis suijurisclub! had high hopes when STS came about too. oh well..
so anyway, can authenticating a COLB or BC be fruitful? if noone has an answer then at some point I plan to so I will remember to share here if/when I am able.
thanks
Funny your post #203 should mention that allodial “What if it is instead that John H Doe is at the DMV identified as the person holding the birth certificate?”
I renewed my DL and had my full middle name spelled out on it and never did I ever use it; only had the initial.
I asked where that came from, how did you know that was my middle name?
The DMV person asked me is that your middle name, I said yes but I don’t use it and don’t like it this way, the DMV would not change it.
This had to come from the Secretary of State.
Fluke I think not ………… Maybe it is the Certificate of Incorporation from the Secretary of State?
I agree with george “you and MJ are have interesting conversations and it may not seem like it but I think you both bring out the best in each other, the best useful info anyway.”
They say:
But I do not owe any debt to the United States. http://fms.treas.gov/news/handbook/index.html
Contact the federal or state agency collecting the debt which is listed in the notice you received. If you need information about whom to contact, call the Treasury Offset Program Help Desk toll-free at (800) 304-3107.
If your debt has been paid in full, or if you do not owe the debt for other reasons, the agency collecting the debt is responsible for returning to you any part of your payment that should not have been reduced. http://fiscal.treasury.gov/fsservice...ns_top_pub.htm
These listings are not searchable by personal identifiers, such as a person's name or social security number.
Personal identifiers.
A personal identifier is a data element within a data set that singly or in combination can uniquely identify an individual, such as a social security number , name, ... http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_identifier
Guidance on Redacting Personal Data Identifiers in Electronically Filed Documents
Most records age out or become "deceased" if no claims or registers occur in 5 to 7 years. Some records take longer.
Breathe not life into such items with claims such as registration or proclamation.
Besides, such records belong to the corporation. They merely need life energy transferred into them. An actor.
Its the only form I have found that cancels a BC.
When you cancel a BC anything created by using that BC is void.
Can not the filled out cancellation form be used as evidence that you are not the holder of it?
Just a thought.
And yes each BC certificate stands on its own meaning to the rest of you reading this is that they are ALL ORIGINALS.
Chopped this one to pieces and I don't buy it.
All BC are originals.
If you created the original then you are the holder in due course, you are liable on the instrument.
If you could hold the original SOLB where would you put it?
Once you remove the original from the states files you will become stateless and considered a refugee.
Then you would need protection from plunder because you have no nation.
You are not under a compact.
I can chain you up in my yard like a dog and there is nothing anybody can do for you.
Unless the state you just fled stands up for you and protects your refugee status under International law.
You see what just happened?
Lowering of your status.
Authentication proves they are truly a governemnt created document. (verifying the oath of the signatory)
Legalization makes the document valid in a foreign venue.
When you create a duplicate original document of title then both title holders are liable on the instrument.
Do you want to be liable for someone else instruments when you don't know what accounts and charges have been placed on them? No thanks.
I have called the authentication place in Canada a couple of times and asked them question.
They were very helpful in explaining to me the process.
In the tennis court handing over the racket and leaving the court was essential for me? returning their BC&DL was symbolic only to make it clear NAMES on government papers are government property if a person is property if i return a persona in its NAME what is the WARRANT ISSUED FOR BUT THE BODY what is between a court admin ears and mine Air for me paper for them? how plain can a person be as plain as BC&DL the Air is verbal vibration energy THE AIR HEAD WONT PLAY TENNIS now what remedy in- rem be that judge ask how do we get this airhead arrests 3 fails to appear 3 mail john h christ sends it back as undeliverable how would the wealth and breath of air in every man on this site get this prick that is my remedy? all clues yet why the mystery Please a dysfunctional past is PROPERTY OF THE FUTURE this there BABEL a bear asked a rabbit hey big ears any problem with shit stikin to fur none great says the bear and wipes his ass? Admin the text book bullies bookies need the book .George it is growth when sites get sluggish u cant throw away your encyclopaedias just cause the wife gotta answers for everything its your site your air find some reruns from the old site throw nuthin away.
thanks for your input on my inquiry walter. calling these people on the phone to ask these types of questions is not something I have tried for several reasons but if I cant find the info I need to verify/confirm authentication elsewhere I may have to do that. I can already imagine the hold times and run around I'll probably get into there though. probably have to speak to a computer at some point also.
hi xparte, suijurisclub had a tremendous wealth of knowledge that was all lost when the admin went missing and then database purged. along with a 300+ page thread by David Merrill as he battled it out in real-time with the system. and his 300 million dollar lien and where he offered a share in that to the membership. its how I became convinced David was walking the talk. posted his record keeping step by step though the whole deal too.
One can just surrender it like any other property can be surrendered, and appoint the attorney general to take over. This is from way back... (see attachment). But cancellation is another topic really. Looking for forms? Anyone can make forms. Forms are what they agree upon as acceptable per compliance with regulations. IMHO one would want something to fill the void, if necessary. And I am not suggesting cancelling vs not cancelling, just an FYI.
Here's another..looking for the old thread.
Here it is... <link to thread>.
How can one not agree with the enthusiasm from threads like those i hear ya uncle george again thankfull for allodial,s information unfettered, outright and absolute.
if you say so.. LOL more questions unanswered from my perspective (maybe dishonor) seems the norm here from my experience but there are some exceptions occasionally and those who genuinely care to share/help are indeed exceptional.
I too make mistakes, probably moreso than most. Im working on it.
Lets say its frustration and if we all say so then it wont have to be so confusing. I been arrested on a warrant from the clerk twice now the new warrant is for a sentence as i had been found guilty at a trial on various moving violations i exit proceeding yet i got hauled in a 3rd time just to see that same clerk and promise to appear again so they can sentence who? Now they gave up arresting the NAME as the jail is calling me John James;Police wont arrest John James; DMV has had one meeting with John James; i am no danger to myself or travelling public I have this in writing yet a letter from Court sent to John J Mac Lean arrived in March it was returned unopened this has a offer like all warrants is another offer I see local Crime Stoppers has the Name and Photo on a Police web site now i asked for this punishment only because i thought i was standing in honour yet the game is that the NAME never had any standing And John James;this Name was meddling Walter i know this to nausea WHAT i dont get is who,s responsibility is it how and if the charges to the NAMED ACCOUNT get Zeroed without being the NAMED ACCOUNT or surety itself thanx for your input the only distance i go with the courts and police is professional never personnel i respect the choice as its only one i cant blame when its just a childish game of thorns pun intential .watched Archie Bunker last night Sammy Davis Jr episode on you tube whether Arch should or should ,nt said this or that is how ignorance is so retentive when one meant what he said .a PERSON is total retentive ignorance is that confusion or am i frustrating a dead thread If a capital offence was confusing its because everybody is going to the chair THE PERSON PLACE AND THIS THING CALLED YOU can be in John James ; shirt pocket paper never dies until the body shows up .what am i missing no its not a silver bullet no no ones out to get me Am i confused that a solution is only as hard as the paperwork that,s conveniently none of my business as John James ; now its not so confusing as its supposed to be that way what is frustrating is it seems this is the only way.as lucid as i dare be
This link is to the full thread -> http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=33.
The answers or the answerers are none greater then all confusion, reading between the lines or where one draws a conclusive line its those questions that are questionable call this a draw where the either matter none.
Another matter is "how can I tell you who you are?" and the related ethical (or Karmic) issues of telling someone else who they vs. them determining that themselves (oh the land between the ears). I know of plenty of people who are happy to have an SSN and such--who don't want a life without one. Its immature IMHO to presume everyone wants the exactly same thing.
I avoid an adversarial attitude toward government officers.
The adversarial was me being adverse to a Administrative process that tells me who i must be to accommodate the answers that cant be questioned YES i could have been handle this adversary on paper where non persons have standing To admit i was wrong is significant to the remedy and where no one need follow adversely not speaking THE CLERK wont or will enter on the record in the case associated to **TICKET NUMBER HERE** (“Case”) a restricted/special appearance of the DEFENDANT, without prejudice, to challenge jurisdiction. Please note, this is NOT to be construed as a general appearance or consent or a plea of any kind. Further, as the DEFENDANT has appeared, you must recall and quash the outstanding bench warrant in this Case.
Bench warrant's have no effect on a man/woman if they don't use the BC NAME.
Bench warrants are not come to the door knock, knock type warrants.
They are a warrant for anyone answering to the BC NAME.
Meaning if you use the DL and get pulled over by the police you are going to jail.
If you get asked for ID buy the police and you show government issue based of the BC you are going to jail.
Anyone that Identifies them self as the bench warrant person is going to jail.
I had police at my door asking for the PERSON.
Family members asked for a warrant, there was none, told them sorry can't help you now go away.
They came by again and called and said that they would drop the ticket if I showed up to the station and dealt with the bench warrant.
Instead we bonded the case and it was removed from the files.
They had to try to trick me to show up for the BC name.
I didn't and they didn't get a surety.
If we agree that warrants are offers and a PEACE OFFICER is taking the survey if a Man has a choice to be recognized as a Man the paper is void. Yet i been scooped up twice in my backyard under a arrest warrant that i could see yet was not allowed to touch not answering the door has the same affect as getting a family member to state do you have a warrant again if they got the warrant the wife or family member needs to hold it and read it and the police are at risk if they hand one over as a family member can be a witness to a fraud the person is the NAME where is the proof my husband or dad is a person or this paper is a poor substitute and description for any Man.Its my tenure on this site to help the best way possible with doorstep stand off's no the wife or not answer door handles that backyards are physical forget the private property jump in the car forget your a person take it like a man booking a room in jail a SIGNATURE is requested forget your a person take like a man never sign for clothes or valuables they have been stolen in the kidnapping when the Man goes before the clerk who issued the warrant two choices go back to jail until the identity is no longer presumptive 72hrs for the Men and Women to also forget your a person.or if thats not what they will do then a new appearance or promise to appear this is at your request once a signature is furnished forget your A person never sign two more sleeps in jail is 72hrs not being a person now its the letter addressed and labelled john h doe this is where everyone involved is overstepping authority as it is a Man,s issue no more a legal issue Never closure for a Person thats fine what about the Man.real life needs real people real persons are real complicated Thanks Walter everyone person gets a knock knock but the paper never gets locked up? please explain how a bond might help as the attorneys never bond a case they have the chequebook a certified bounce vs a performance bond