Yehovah be blessed. I hope this study blesses you.
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Thank you thank you, excellent Treatise! I recognize some of this from our conversation at the park the other day. I will definitely be reading again sometime soon.
David, please read through this and take good notes, I would be interested to hear any of your rebuttal to all this.
This fellow is a friend of yours MJ?
He opens here that I am to partake of your thread under his instructions as your pupil?
I find that a big turn-off! Point being that I will not be blessed by your article MJ - this guy's arrogant passive-aggressive style has already put a bad taste in my mouth while reading it. The couple paragraphs I read though, they look interesting!
I started reading the file you offered and it starts off with some assumptions that are questionable at best. Cause and effect. First cause puts everything in to motion. All causes and effects are a result of this first cause. Where in this is there free will. The whole of the bible is a testament to noon having free will as all is ordained from the foundation. It would appear at times there is free will but that is based on the illusion that all the causes leading to a certain point didn't predetermine the choices made......fB
Sounds like you are making a case for reincarnation. Works in one age put you in good standing in another. hmmmmm
I travail in birth pains till Christ be formed in you.
The crucifixion take place in golgatha, the place of the skull. When Ida and pingali are balanced the sushunda rises piercing the pineal, releasing the dew of God. Turn the key again.
fB
DEDICATED TO THE FEW
FRAGMENT I
THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE
THESE instructions are for those ignorant of the dangers of the lower IDDHI.(1)
He who would hear the voice of Nada,(2) "the Soundless Sound," and comprehend it, he has to learn the nature of Dharana.(3)
Having become indifferent to objects of perception, the pupil must seek out the Rajah of
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(1). The Pali word Iddhi, is the synonym of the Sanskrit Siddhis, or psychic faculties, the abnormal powers in man. There are two kinds of Siddhis. One group which embraces the lower, coarse, psychic and mental energies; the other is one which exacts the highest training of Spiritual powers. Says Krishna in Shrimad Bhagavat [Bhagavad-Gita]:
"He who is engaged in the performance of yoga, who has subdued his senses and who has concentrated his mind in me (Krishna), such yogis all the Siddhis stand ready to serve."
(2). The "Soundless Voice," or the "Voice of the Silence." Literally perhaps this would read "Voice in the Spiritual Sound," as Nada is the equivalent word in Sanskrit, for the Sensar term.
(3). Dharana, is the intense and perfect concentration of the mind upon some one interior object, accompanied by complete abstraction from everything pertaining to the external Universe, or the world of the senses.
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the senses, the Thought-Producer, he who awakes illusion.
The Mind is the great Slayer of the Real.
Let the Disciple slay the Slayer.
For:
When to himself his form appears unreal, as do on waking all the forms he sees in dreams;
When he has ceased to hear the many, he may discern the ONE—the inner sound which kills the outer.
Then only, not till then, shall he forsake the region of Asat, the false, to come unto the realm of Sat, the true.
Before the soul can see, the Harmony within must be attained, and fleshly eyes be rendered blind to all illusion.
Before the Soul can hear, the image (man) has to become as deaf to roarings as to whispers, to cries of bellowing elephants as to the silvery buzzing of the golden fire-fly.
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Before the soul can comprehend and may remember, she must unto the Silent Speaker be united just as the form to which the clay is modelled, is first united with the potter's mind.
For then the soul will hear, and will remember.
And then to the inner ear will speak
THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE
And say:
If thy soul smiles while bathing in the Sunlight of thy Life; if thy soul sings within her chrysalis of flesh and matter; if thy soul weeps inside her castle of illusion; if thy soul struggles to break the silver thread that binds her to the MASTER;(1) know, O Disciple, thy Soul is of the earth.
exert from the voice of silence.
Then from the heart that Power shall rise into the sixth, the middle region, the place between thine eyes, when it becomes the breath of the ONE-SOUL, the voice which filleth all, thy Master's voice.
'Tis only then thou canst become a "Walker of the Sky"(3) who treads the winds above the waves, whose step touches not the waters.
The pineal gland in the body is like GPS for our body parts, regulates wake/sleap, growth and more.
In relation to it you might recall the following verse:
JOHN 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.
Quoting Malta
JOHN 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.
Depends on who/what you perceive "me" to be.fB
"I speak nothing of myself but it is the father who speaks through "me""
So who is the me speaking in your quote Jesus the man or the christ that indwells him.
Christ "Spirit of the Living God"
me = John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Because it was God the Father speaking to them through the man Jesus.
Yes God the Father manifesting through the man. Jesus was Christed.
"I travail in birth pains till Christ be formed in you."
I take no part in this back and forth. I prepared this presentment for the benefit of ALL who read. I hope you are blessed by it David.
Motla68 and I are friends and colleagues. We share information with each other. I cannot speak to the manner in which this was presented to you David. All I can say is I broadcast this presentment to all who would choose to read it. I Already know that most will not comprehend it; yet there are some that will - and that is the difference.
I remain working in the field. Shalom,
mj
I soundly refuse this claim of re-incarnation. We all lived in the 1st Age - Yehovah destroyed it because some of his children fell short; yet some did not fall short and were justified in that Age. And we will all live thru the flesh Age and then some will continue into the 3rd Age and some will not.
The mystery will not be seen by all. I accept that fact.
shalom,
mj
Perhaps we need to define reincarnation. I see it as that we/some have live in the past and are living again. Is that not what you are saying by we lived in the first age, or some did anyway, and we/some are living in the second age. There are many definitions of reincarnation. So perhaps defining will help to alleviate any mis-conceptions. fB
I ask you nicely and yet you still belittle my request. Again, if you have no interest in the request then do not respond.
Here let me teach you a good response: " I do not have any rebuttal, but thanks for the blessing MJ ". Make sense?
Thank you in advance.
Is that not the law of nature though in a lot of animal species as well, not all turtles make it to the ocean, not all tadpoles make it out of the pond?
Someone told me recently that when you plant food you do it with the planned intention of the thirds, 1/3 animals will eat, 1/3 goes to the earth and 1/3
you eat for food.
well, the doctrine of re-incarnation is that we live and we die [in the flesh] and then we come back again and again and again and again, thru the Flesh Age, until we somehow work things out for ourselves. This doctrine is unsupported in Yehovah's Word.
Man[kind] took some form in the 1st Age. I strongly believe we shall take the same form in the 3rd Age; yet I cannot prove it. The 2nd Age is a Test for the Prodigal Son ONLY. The Flesh Age. The Elder shall serve the younger. Did not Jacob cross (X) his arms when giving the blessing. As I said Reader, there are levels.
Of course the Law of Nature supercedes the Civil Law [if you will]. Sodom and Gomorrah were found guilty 430 years prior to Sinai and the giving of the Moral and Civil Law [10 commandments]. These were guilty of Natural Law. And Yehovah will not abide those abominations.
The Promise was given and sealed by the Ever Living long before the Law showed up on the scene. Abraham was not found wanting - in the Promise - not the Law - by Faith. Yet, Abraham was Elect of Yehovah - chosen to be example so that the Gentiles [ethnos or non-Yisra'el nations] could see the operation of Faith. Abraham was with Salvation PRIOR to this Flesh Age because he overcame in the First Age.
I know I plow deep and if it is just too much, then just set my assertions aside and lets move on.
Shalom,
mj
mj
I appreciate your post for our edification. I hope you don't mind that I posted some exerts from The voice of Silence. i have found it to be of great value on my spiritual journey and thoughts others may find it in the same Light. Sorry if it is inappropriate. I can remove it and my comments. fB
Here's the thing - oppress no one - please do what you deem appropriate. Remember there are many who overcame in the first age - these are all over the entire globe - in all the races.
I am unfamiliar with that writing; however, I made a promise to one here on this forum that I could and would support my assertion using ONLY the canonized KJV. So I shall attend to my Word. That is not to say that I will not consider the value in that other writing you offer. It's my dime, right? I can spend it how I choose.
Thank you for this however, as it goes to the respect of the thread and I freely admit that many times in my mind I am clearly on topic, others see me as hi-jacking their threads. You do what you feel you need to do. I leave it up to you.
Shalom,
mj
MJ Should you find the exerts of interest and would like the book in PDF format message me and I can email it.
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Of course the Law of Nature supercedes the Civil Law [if you will]. Sodom and Gomorrah were found guilty 430 years prior to Sinai and the giving of the Moral and Civil Law [10 commandments]. These were guilty of Natural Law. And Yehovah will not abide those abominations.
The Promise was given and sealed by the Ever Living long before the Law showed up on the scene. Abraham was not found wanting - in the Promise - not the Law - by Faith. Yet, Abraham was Elect of Yehovah - chosen to be example so that the Gentiles [ethnos or non-Yisra'el nations] could see the operation of Faith. Abraham was with Salvation PRIOR to this Flesh Age because he overcame in the First Age.
I know I plow deep and if it is just too much, then just set my assertions aside and lets move on.
Shalom,
mj
Thank you, I will do just that. Debunking the Rapture Doctrine.
Thank you for the post MJ. I have been busy, (filing taxes and all), also,
I'm a business man, as such I have times of feast and famine.
Sometimes I have more time on my hands than others. Please
don't take my silence as anything other than that. I appreciate
your work, and look forward to reading it.
T.
I took that from the "Ages" thread as it seemed to be more in line with this study.Quote:
I mean lets not even go to Election. You mean Yehovah selected - unfairly according to the doctrine of 6k year creation - to predestine and prejustify some prior to their birth. How LUCKY for them. That, my friend, is inconsistent with the God of Israel. Yehovah does not pay a slackard and Yehovah pays at the end of the day. And certainly Yehovah does not give to one who is unworthy.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I mean hey if the us is everyone, then why the need for the cross? Boy those Election sure are LUCKY - how absurd and ridiculous. Yehovah does not deal with unfair balances. You earn what Yehovah grants.
Thank you for this presentment.
Does the Bible teach election – YES, and does the Bible teach Free Will – YES.
Both truths are taught, but what is never taught but is inferred by the Calvanist
is that God has chosen some (what he calls the negative side of election) for damnation.
That is Heresy.
I am not calling you a Calvanist, but much of what you present in this paper reflects
the Calvan interpretation.
The question worth asking is do you believe that God has knowledge of the future?
Very good. There is negative Election but Take Special Notice the Election are Prejustified - judged in 1st Age. Therefore, there is no such thing as Election to damnation. Pharaoh's heart was hardened not by any action of his own - Yehovah hardened his heart.
I think that Yehovah is infinitely able to affect any future Yehovah desires - thus the Election, being mature in the Faith do not pray for their own will but for the Will of Yehovah. Therefore the Great Plan has been effected by one who takes counsel only from himself - Self Existing One - Yehovah and that Plan shall effect in the manner ascribed within Scripture. So to your question of knowing the future - I have an issue with that question as framed - because why would there be some with Freewill in this Age - or said another way - Why the need for this Age at all?
Find attached a study formed today for the edification of the Reader. Again I remind the reader to do your own work - study to show THYSELF approved - don't trust in this man or any other man - Trust in God.
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shalom,
mj
P.S. I am a man who reads the Scripture and studies the Scripture.
2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall"
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8832.pdf
Let it be known by proper form! This is a great academic venture Motla68.
"Redeemed by God; redeeming lawful money pursuant to Title 12 USC ยง411."
It might be fun to fill the form out and see if the IRS accepts your election!
Glad you agree, I will release more information when I get some results.
God the Father, who is over ALL, granted Election in the Age that was. This Age is the Age of Faith: BYGod the Father IN Yehoshuah [Jesus Christ].
Lets not mix things here:
1st Peter is written to the Election; parts of 2nd Peter is written to the Gentiles and to those NOT of the House of Jacob and part of 2nd Peter is written to Election - like 2nd Peter 3 [the Ages].
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Peter writes to those who have obtained Redemption, Salvation by God the Father in Jesus Christ - this is the Prodigal Son - By Choice. For the Elder Son has always been with the Father. If you prefer another type - The Election is Married and help to prepare a bride for the groomsman.
One who makes an Election is Above the Election; however, if one makes an Election UNDER another Law form, then while that one is Above his Election, said Election is Under the Law form in which the Election was made. The IRS is an Agency for whom and created by whom?
For instance one may Choose to create a new Corporation and then one may Choose to file for a S-Corporation Election, or Not. Perhaps a C-Corporation is fine. Is the Grantor Above the Election? By whose law did the Grantor file? Or better said Under whose Law was the file created? Therefore, who has the dominion?
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
tabernacle - can mean "Commonwealth of Israel" - the Body of Christ = Election and Freewill by Faith; or it can mean this flesh body wherein our Spirit is currently coupled. Therefore Peter writes to the fruits of the Spirit - which are Under NO law.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Therefore the Grantor within the "IRS Form" would need to be some Entity - Estate, Trust, Corporation that also is with a Number. For men are not numbered. And therefore said Election must Require some man or woman to MOVE the Entity known as Grantor - and an Actor that Moves anything is by its very nature a Trustee for the moving party does so FBO [for the benefit] of another. Therefore who does the man Undertake for?
I propound that said one undertakes for THE CROWN [international bankers]. That is NOT to say the Monarchy. Lets not commit Adultery here.
Tenants on The Plantation. I mean seriously you think I am going to create Under someone elses Law form a device that will allow me to escape the means by which said law form enriches itself? I think not. The Plantations were established for Commerce - plain and simple - Colonies - nothing has changed - maybe the people are no longer subjects, but the King dictated ALL of the conditions of the Treaty and as such, the commercial Rule has not ceased. In fact, it may have been assigned to another - by way of Paramount Law:
Pro 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
Do you not suppose The Crown holds first Lien on The Plantations? For if the rule of Commerce was in the Monarchy, and the Monarchy had to borrow from The Crown, do you now suppose The Crown to be fools? Would they not want a Security Instrument - A Deed of Trust - you know in case of default.
The sons of Cain serve their master well - king of Tyrus. Tyre being the first commercial center of the entire globe.
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My inheritance is not in Mammon or Property Rights created in Man.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
mj's comments: Election of Yehovah
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
mj's comments: Those who trusted in Christ in the 1st Age - Elect and Prejustified in this Age.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
mj's comments: Freewill Choice by Faith in this Age. These heard the Good News in this Age and now too they trust in Christ.
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
mj's comments: "Earnest" is a pledge. The sealing of the Holy Spirit is the Pledge [earnest] whereby God shows he intends to make good on his promise.
shalom,
mj
Yes, i get that part. We have spoken about this at several local meetings. Also in Galatians from the age of minority to the age of majority;
Foreign Trust, Election by the Executor of Estate and of other elections as well.
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