Macro-economic Lawful Money

I want to posit the idea that by demanding lawful money, a new kind of fractional currency is created.

I've been thinking of US notes as a non-elastic and un-fractionalized currency, and that's true, since US notes are limited to $300 million.

But think about this: if suddenly 1,000,000 people decided to demand lawful money when they deposited their paychecks, presumably more the $500 million in lawful money would instantly be created.

This demonstrates that demanding lawful money does not result in being issued US notes. Rather, US money on account becomes available, and can be spent into the economy.

Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Keith Alan

I want to posit the idea that by demanding lawful money, a new kind of fractional currency is created.

I've been thinking of US notes as a non-elastic and un-fractionalized currency, and that's true, since US notes are limited to $300 million.

But think about this: if suddenly 1,000,000 people decided to demand lawful money when they deposited their paychecks, presumably more the $500 million in lawful money would instantly be created.

This demonstrates that demanding lawful money does not result in being issued US notes. Rather, US money on account becomes available, and can be spent into the economy.

Any thoughts?

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Ill have to say, all US notes are lawful money, but not all lawful money are US notes. Lawful money takes many other forms, including but not limited too coin. Lawful money can't be fractionally lent. The goal is to do you patriotic duty, adhere to the just weights and measures principles, and demand inelastic non-intentionally depreciated money. We won't shut down the FED by demanding 300,000,000 in lawful money, hell, PBS did an article stating there is something like 1 billion in 1 dollar coins just sitting at the Fed. I think the biggest thing on this site is setting up definitive proof that this redemption is true and just, this is a way to opt out of the IRS, and can be spread to liberty loving businesses owners and their employees who demand their private property rights, the fruits of their labor.

This year, I would say if we could get a simple pamphlet together with a stamp stating our demand, to be sold or given out to Americans, that would be a win. A simple 3 to 4 step process to show others the truth. I've sat down with 2 bankers and next have a meeting with a tax preparer (hopefully to awaken him), and want a simple way to describe this process. I almost feel called to do it...

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Originally Posted by mikecz

Ill have to say, all US notes are lawful money, but not all lawful money are US notes. Lawful money takes many other forms, including but not limited too coin. Lawful money can't be fractionally lent. The goal is to do you patriotic duty, adhere to the just weights and measures principles, and demand inelastic non-intentionally depreciated money. We won't shut down the FED by demanding 300,000,000 in lawful money, hell, PBS did an article stating there is something like 1 billion in 1 dollar coins just sitting at the Fed. I think the biggest thing on this site is setting up definitive proof that this redemption is true and just, this is a way to opt out of the IRS, and can be spread to liberty loving businesses owners and their employees who demand their private property rights, the fruits of their labor.

This year, I would say if we could get a simple pamphlet together with a stamp stating our demand, to be sold or given out to Americans, that would be a win. A simple 3 to 4 step process to show others the truth. I've sat down with 2 bankers and next have a meeting with a tax preparer (hopefully to awaken him), and want a simple way to describe this process. I almost feel called to do it...

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I Agree there are different forms of lawful money. I'm saying the demand process creates a new form, perhaps unanticipated by Congress. I think it's important because if this new lawful money is indeed fractionalized, it challenges some of the thinking underlying the process.

(DLM) Demand lawful money (as opposed to coin or US notes) is fractionalized because FRN's are fractionalized. Theoretically, all FRN money on account can be redeemed on demand. It may be elastic as well, since the supply can expand according to how many DLM's are created, and it can shrink according to how many are applied to exposed bank liabilities.

In fact, it appears the DLM is exactly the same thing as FRN's, except that they are derived from a different source.

I want to identify that source.

Also, shutting down the Fed may not be a good goal in itself. Personally, I don't care if people use FRN's, as long as I have another option. I realize the world economy is structured on debt being created, and would instantly collapse if people everywhere quit borrowing. This is not to say I disagree with you about the inherent dishonesty of the scheme, but if people are aware of their choices, well, let them choose.

I like your idea of boiling it all down into a pamphlet or something. I think that's a wonderful idea. People ought to be aware of their options.

Odd is it might sound, I don't know that shutting down the FRS is the best idea. It probably serves a purpose for the Industrial Markets where certain corporates are pooling their assets and such. Recovering or reclaiming 'stolen fire' is one thing shutting it down is another.

Maybe somebody intrepid - possibly with the help of the brain trust - could apply for an order for that pamphlet.

I find this thread particularly delightful. So many times explorations into different mental models pan out to hold if not truth and fact, a good learning experience discerning the model from truth and fact.

One point I like is the allusion to the Amendments to the Bretton Woods Agreement. I have not studied this doc for years but when I first became interested in it I read it out loud twice while riding in cars. The gist as I remember it was that in order to reconcile discrepancy between the dollar domestic and the dollar foreign France and America decided in secret (Jamaica-Rambouillet Accord; the actual minutes remaining secret - Page 4 of the Senate Report). Apparently NIXON took exception to DeGAUL (?) making a mint by walking back and forth between the domestic and foreign windows so we moved to SDR's as the basic new lawful money.

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What thrills me about your post is at a glance it lends credibility that the entire value of US notes in existence today is represented in one plant located on the SE Corner of this Golden Rectangle.

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I would call it an imagination disorder (displacement hysteria) except I can repeat the survey over and over with my GPS software. It is really, really there - but the interpretation may be off. But what I believe is a fact is that the Territorial Capital on the SW Corner and the federal repository complete with the Treasury Vault on the SE Corner are direct monuments of the 1861 "War of Rebellion" when this fiat and eventually elastic currency began - with Canada as an interim Crown Dominion Notes (Footnote 4) provider (shock testing).

My perceptions might be off but I just don't think so. Portraying the Territory as properly formed when it wasn't is a breach of trust by the US and Colorado governments. Breach of trust provides an opportunity to step in as trustee over government as trustee - resulting trust. Today I once again filed papers into the federal court system, this time though, as David Merrill a Patroon (perpetual inheritance) born on Colorado and signing with the 2.5" Great Seal, as the person, DAVID MERRILL, TRUSTEE of this resulting trust. So this goes right in front of the US clerk of court, and whatever federal judge he chooses and using that Great Seal when not affiliated with state business is a class 5 felony.

I have done this before. Even going back many years with my approbation to the Declaration of Independence.

Now this leads me to link over to David Wynn MILLER, who claims to be the only legitimate federal judge, anywhere! I think he has a lot of displacement hysteria alright but there is always something that is anchored and when he is ready to lose me I am about to bash him as a nutjob, and then something snaps into place... But just the same DWM makes me glad that I keep graphic images and a good link library to back up my assertions and show why I can tell such anecdotes.

There is something that disturbs me that David Merrill and David MILLER add up to the same numeric total in Hebrew...

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

So this goes right in front of the US clerk of court, and whatever federal judge he chooses and using that Great Seal when not affiliated with state business is a class 5 felony. I have done this before. Even going back many years with my approbation to the Declaration of Independence

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That applies to 'persons'. Once I had a chic who would hassle me at the checkout. I of course took my time to bag things and separate things like frozen things with frozen things, food with food, cleaning supplies with the like , etc. Of course she would often bug me presuming that "only professional baggers know how to do such secret things i.e. he must be trying to steal and be sneaky!". Interesting, I've not seen her working anymore. But she seemed to just take it as an excuse to harass me about whether I had missed scanning something (accusation of stealing after the transaction was already complete!). I replied to her "How am I going to steal from myself?" She probably didn't get it how I meant it.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

My perceptions might be off but I just don't think so. Portraying the Territory as properly formed when it wasn't is a breach of trust by the US and Colorado governments. Breach of trust provides an opportunity to step in as trustee over government as trustee - resulting trust. Today I once again filed papers into the federal court system, this time though, as David Merrill a Patroon (perpetual inheritance) born on Colorado and signing with the 2.5" Great Seal, as the person, DAVID MERRILL, TRUSTEE of this resulting trust. So this goes right in front of the US clerk of court, and whatever federal judge he chooses and using that Great Seal when not affiliated with state business is a class 5 felony.

I have done this before. Even going back many years with my approbation to the Declaration of Independence

Now this leads me to link over to David Wynn MILLER, who claims to be the only legitimate federal judge, anywhere! I think he has a lot of displacement hysteria alright but there is always something that is anchored and when he is ready to lose me I am about to bash him as a nutjob, and then something snaps into place... But just the same DWM makes me glad that I keep graphic images and a good link library to back up my assertions and show why I can tell such anecdotes.

There is something that disturbs me that David Merrill and David MILLER add up to the same numeric total in Hebrew...

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Well remember the French Republic re-allowed slavery in its colonies right before the Louisiana Purchase (thing is did the French Republic really even have a legitimate claim to the colonies anymore after the revolution?--Louisiana Purchase struck me as being a quitclaim at the most). Perhaps the Emancipation Proclamation and price-per-head money thing ties in somehow? Only thing is, what about the emancipation proclamation of the French Republic preceding that? Its interesting how the word 'dollar' sounds a lot like 'douala' (servant/slave). Might be a bit off topic. But interesting how "nobody" claims to know the definite origin of the word 'dollar' or the S with the slash through it. S + L = ??

Re: "on Colorado" about a decade ago, I was writing a legal doc in both Spanish and English and realized the need to use something like 'encima de' due to the thusly the similarity between 'en' (in/on) and 'on' resonated and the how seldom we might wield the word 'upon' instead of 'on'. Before that I hadn't really thought about how loosely I might have used 'on' when meaning 'upon' and how 'en' in Spanish means...'in'.

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Re: Colorado Statehood. I was reviewing writings on statehood admission 'enactments' by alleged U.S. Congress. I dont know if you've had the chance but Colorado Statehood seems to have been a kind of special case.

P.S. the Bretton Woods link isn't working.

Is demanding lawful money tantamount to invoking SDR's?

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Also, shutting down the Fed may not be a good goal in itself. Personally, I don't care if people use FRN's, as long as I have another option.

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Interesting! I have always assumed that the sooner we abolish the Fed, the sooner we get started at fixing things. I believe with the Amendments (BTW I fixed that link thanks) came a fixed international earmark of gold at $42.22/troy ounce. That will feel like a crash any way around it.

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Originally Posted by Keith Alan

Is demanding lawful money tantamount to invoking SDR's?

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I hope not. SDR's are not actually money, yet. They do set the price for insurance settlements with the USPS and Universal Postal Union - when something is lost they will resort to SDR's for a settlement value.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Interesting! I have always assumed that the sooner we abolish the Fed, the sooner we get started at fixing things.

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That might be the case.

Well, as far as "fixing things" goes, I'm not sure what that means. The vast majority of people believe the fiction of the state is real, and while they see problems with it, they definitely support things the way they are.

Thanks for posting those pics describing Federal Reserve Banks and the various currencies. Your posts are always jam-packed with information, and on many levels.

When I asked if demanding lawful money was tantamount to invoking SDR's, I was specifically wondering about invoking rights that are special. I noticed in the top pic, it talked about Special Drawing Right certificates. I don't know what those are, but the nomenclature describes what I think Demand Lawful Money actually could be. When you endorse for lawful money, you are certifying you don't want private credit. But I think what you end up getting is public credit.

If someone demands lawful money, doesn't he receive the same legal tender, except he is invoking a different set of rights than he would otherwise expect to receive?

This brings up another thought: the IRS collect tax revenues in the form of money on account. Since it's bonded by taxpayers, and deposited with Treasury, isn't IRS demanding lawful money from taxpayers? And aren't those revenues applied to outstanding obligations with IMF?

I hope I'm making sense. It seems to me that demanding lawful money from a Federal Reserve bank, is identical in every way to the IRS demanding returns signed under penalty of perjury from taxpayers.

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Originally Posted by Keith Alan

Well, as far as "fixing things" goes, I'm not sure what that means. The vast majority of people believe the fiction of the state is real, and while they see problems with it, they definitely support things the way they are.

Thanks for posting those pics describing Federal Reserve Banks and the various currencies. Your posts are always jam-packed with information, and on many levels.

When I asked if demanding lawful money was tantamount to invoking SDR's, I was specifically wondering about invoking rights that are special. I noticed in the top pic, it talked about Special Drawing Right certificates. I don't know what those are, but the nomenclature describes what I think Demand Lawful Money actually could be. When you endorse for lawful money, you are certifying you don't want private credit. But I think what you end up getting is public credit.

If someone demands lawful money, doesn't he receive the same legal tender, except he is invoking a different set of rights than he would otherwise expect to receive?

This brings up another thought: the IRS collect tax revenues in the form of money on account. Since it's bonded by taxpayers, and deposited with Treasury, isn't IRS demanding lawful money from taxpayers? And aren't those revenues applied to outstanding obligations with IMF?

I hope I'm making sense. It seems to me that demanding lawful money from a Federal Reserve bank, is identical in every way to the IRS demanding returns signed under penalty of perjury from taxpayers.

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In an unprecedente action the IMF is "censoring" Argentina for false reporting and hiding the dire state of its national credit. Keeping this in perspective requires you to persistently understand that the IMF is United Nations. This also behooves us to keep in mind that the Fed is a central bank - albeit formed by Congress in 1913 central banks by nature are international and private banking cartels that specialize in lending governments "money". By "money" what I am restating is an absurdity that debt has value to anybody other than who lends, anybody but the bank lending money on credit.

It is absurd, at least to me that anybody can buy and sell debt, especially on derivative or speculative principles such as "futures" etc.

I think our basic difference in posture is best explained by you in your post.

Well, as far as "fixing things" goes, I'm not sure what that means. The vast majority of people believe the fiction of the state is real, and while they see problems with it, they definitely support things the way they are.

It is precisely people living lives in psychotomimetic delirium about macroeconomics that are preventing any possibility that any kind of interim Bandaids will function. Since my BoE I have watched distortions first in Bailouts - where OBAMA was permitting unbonded currency to be printed to save banks/bankers, then when that failed we had false overtures toward austerity measures and as people accepted that absurdity Plunge Protection went into effect and was accepted too - which is about the most stupid thing investors in the Market could tolerate; but the imagination controrted reality even further with something called quantitative easing...

If you are proposing a better solution than Bandaids to a tradeable stock certificate that is intentionally designed to deteriorate in value over time, it would be interesting to try comprehending it.

Psychotomimetic literally means to mimic psychosis. I like studying psychotomimetic phenomena. I attend regularly Subproject 130 (CIA's MK-ULTRA) Displacement Hysteria (imagination disorder) from 1960 - LSD-25, dosing Helen SCHUCMAN for seven years straight and chronicling her audio hallucinations - A Course in Miracles. Author/agent Bill THETFORD entertains my immensely with swapping letters - Rot bled filth. Better yet - William THETFORD is A fed will tort him...

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Joh 7:14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
Joh 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

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So listen to that would you?

Jesus boldly taught the gematra (Kaballa) to the Jews even though they could not figure out from which Lodge he was initiated?

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Interestingly I discovered that passage in the Mason Library. So What Would Jesus Do?

Answer: Walk the earth like Qwai Chang KANE on a silent scholarship (frankincense, myrrh and GOLD) of gold from the Magi (Daniel's inheritance/heritage) visiting the mystery schools and learning all the esoteric knowledge of Babylon, Israel and Egypt. The initiated rabbis therefore were amazed that he knew the Secrets of the Sanctuary in and out while belonging to no lodge at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=U...yer_detailpage

At least until he entered the Order of Archelaus in a low-budget dunking ceremony on the Jordan River.



As the Bible teaches us, there is no room for Bandaids repairing contraction of the drachma/half shekel Temple Tax. I am glad I noticed the reflections in the glass. I was giving a tour of the Golden Rectangle to a religious leader. Imagine though, what that scepter might fetch these days at an auction. I am surprised it is not snagged by the US government as a national treasure!

David, you have marvelous insight into some things, but I am not proposing solutions. I am merely trying to understand better the way things are. I see the world as mortally corrupted by original sin, which is another way of saying too many people have god complexes. That was the sin of Adam and Eve - invoking their own righteousness before God's.

If the love of money is the root of all evil, it makes sense to try and understand what money is. Money is a very powerful invention, and has taken many different forms. It is the economic blood of any society, carrying through the stream of commerce all manner of goods and services to every member of the body. It is univeral in its utility, in that it is able to supply every man's physical needs and desires, provided another man is willing to trade with him.

Money competes against Creator God by tempting men to trust first in their own skill and judgement, rather than simply accepting blessings from on high. Money is the agent that allows men to climb out of primoridial existence, and leave behind total reliance on the Creator. This is really a delusion, since we are from the earth, and to the earth we all return. But such is the power of the delusion.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." I strive to remember these words everyday, and apply them to life's circumstances. Poor in spirit is humility, and not pretending to have control over others, or indeed, one's own life. The kingdom of heaven is more than apolitical - it's anti-political by nature. Money has no place, because God himself cares for his people.

The world that the Adversary showed to the Savior was one of delusion. Riches and power splayed across the earth, dominating mankind in every way, yet entirely imaginary. Man has invented powers and principalities of the air - imaginary things, political systems of every stripe - to dominate and control other men, but he tells himself it is good, and necessary. And these powers all rely on money changing hands.

But the Savior said, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is within easy reach." He told the rich man to sell everything, and give it all away, and follow into the kingdom, but the rich man became troubled in his heart. Such is the power of the delusion.

So what is lawful money? It is a bundle of rights, allowing the holder to acquire goods and services in society in a lawfal manner. It appears to be something that runs alongside private credit, identical in every way, indistinguishable in form and utility, yet it calls on authority from a different source than the private credit scheme.

It's as if the private credit holders and public credit holders coexist in the same delusion that is the state. However, the public credit holders have the power to neuter the private credit holders estate. Isn't that the entire purpose for demanding lawful money?

As for Kabalah and Jesus (Y'shua?/Joshua?) I'm unsure of the connection. It seems plausible that cultish profiteering off of lack of a widespread lack of knowledge by making 'masses' of people ignorant of what was plainly observable throughout creation may have touched upon the kind of mindset Jesus' time came up against. I recall a many suggestions of there being a link with those sorts and Cain. Someone I met once told me that he and his fellow Masons attributed their 'lineage' back to Tubal Cain. Is that a truthful statement made by him?

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It has been suggested that Cain upon being unable to be quite all that productive set up cities because it provide a way to profit from the activity of others. Those who Jesus was up against then were multiple times linked to (OT/Genesis) Cain. Weren't the Canaanites merchants or more of a 'merchant society'? Coin? Cain? Hmmmm.

It should not be a surprise that allegedly since the 60s in the (imaginary) USA perhaps it has be possible to get a degree in economics without taking an accounting class. It seems moreso what has transpired since 1913 or so is with the coming of the FRB/FRS and the strategic dumbing down of millions of folk in the Americas to the extent an a "money cult" oligarchy was able to form and gain a foothold. Thusly I would tend to suggest remedy to be in folks learning about money, risk management and the like.

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Throwing unbonded money around smacks of super duper silliness. Seems more like something an economist that knows jack about risk management or accounting would do.

It seems rather obvious that money should be associated with productive/fruitful endeavors. It seems that money should go to capital and that capital applied to productive things. Money for the sake of money--that appears to point to both the problem and to the notion of the love of money (not money itself) being the root of all evil.

Again, the issue of what appears to be a typical fixation in the USA with buying things that are hardly productive although entertaining. I was taught to buy things that can be utilized productively. I suppose its to say that the problem may run deep into the mindset of the average US-ian. I'd say the dollar's weakening comes with the debilitation of the manufacturing base but yet they (the Money Cult in the 90s) were gambling on futures, swaps and derivatives knowing fully well that the capital (US steel mills, semiconductor manufacturing and other manufacturing businesses) that would underwrite recovery on those futures contract was disappearing. I hope that made sense.

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So you have dumbed-down heirs, US-ians and such and money-cult that gains control of media and schools and dumbs down the schooling. Then you have the prospect of economists who know little to nothing about accounting and risk management being in the ears of governmental execs. I once had someone spend an hour or so trying to convince me of the actuarial sciences having zero connection to accounting. From what I recall he claimed to have been an actuary and such. Obviously someone failed to tell him that, in the U.S., the U.S. dollar is unit of measurement of risk. So you have so-called professionals (with degrees) going into the fight for you but trouble is they are 'fighting blind'. And you have a media that has hypnotized folks into thinking turning to an economist and having a discussion is "the thing to do". Silly. Perhaps its a lot like Dorothy visiting Professor Marvel in the Wizard of Oz movie.

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Afterall, they have repeatdly turned the camera with a glorious expectation: "We have economist John Cantcount here with us in the studio live." And course we were 'supposed' to believe that he and other economists were part of this Grand School of Wizards that were looking out for us and that his/her words were utterly worth listening to (otherwise why would those smart and kind people running the TV networks waste their time or ours with worthless babble?) I wouldn't blame the economist. If you need a plumber but hire a pipe artist, whose to blame?

Things like actuarial sciences and risk management are hardly widely know about. Can we blame the Money-Cult-Controled Media Cult or the FRS/FRB when we can instead of sitting in front of the TV or the PS3 or the Wii all day can study and learn all that we need to know. Societies need systems to make them work. The Adversary hasn't been out it make it work except in his/her favor. So yes David Merrill I agree regarding the lack of merit in unbonded money and the like. The key thing is, whats to take place of the void if the FRS/FRB disappears?

Keith Alan;

I may have gotten defensive. If my post came off that way I apologize - I don't really recall thinking that you were proposing solutions except maybe do nothing because we are getting by still.


The money cult? (LoL!)

I forgot to mention the other cult I attend lately - Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Futurists. It is an apocalyptic mystery cult built around a futuristic interpretation of the Book of Revelation. They await. It is a religion of waiting as opposed to ACIM which in alignment with the Gospel of Thomas means that the kingdom of heaven is within and without - always has been.

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Obviously someone failed to tell him that, in the U.S., the U.S. dollar is unit of measurement of risk.

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To me that is what the SDR is all about. It measures how many people in five leading endorsement societies are fully confident in their local central bank institution.

I found your posts delightful and wish that I had more time to enjoy reading around here. I tend to just skim for things that I should be responding to - almost exclusively in defense of remedy. I need to lighten up and show more confidence.

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Well remember the French Republic re-allowed slavery in its colonies right before the Louisiana Purchase (thing is did the French Republic really even have a legitimate claim to the colonies anymore after the revolution?--Louisiana Purchase struck me as being a quitclaim at the most). Perhaps the Emancipation Proclamation and price-per-head money thing ties in somehow? Only thing is, what about the emancipation proclamation of the French Republic preceding that? Its interesting how the word 'dollar' sounds a lot like 'douala' (servant/slave). Might be a bit off topic. But interesting how "nobody" claims to know the definite origin of the word 'dollar' or the S with the slash through it. S + L = ??

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French Republic lost Saint Domingue (Haiti) too.
This is the primary reason for the sale of the Louisiana Purchase to government of the United States.

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I forgot to mention the other cult I attend lately - Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Futurists. It is an apocalyptic mystery cult built around a futuristic interpretation of the Book of Revelation. They await. It is a religion of waiting as opposed to ACIM which in alignment with the Gospel of Thomas means that the kingdom of heaven is within and without - always has been.

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Yeah I tried explaining to a relative about the nowness of the kingdom--in one ear out other. Did not compute. She is waiting for 'the end' and for "the kingdom" to be established. Maybe one day she will eventually realize the truth. Maybe thanks are due to to C.I. Scofield and company for that one. I suppose that and the Money Cult and the Media Cult and the End Times Cult is found to be by at least someone highly lucrative to say the least:

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You mean a man can put on fancy clothes and tell people "Give me all of your money and your virgin daughter and all of your land and you can go to Heaven when you die people will do it? You can get paid for that!??

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What seems interesting or puzzling is how refusing to believe lies could even remotely get someone branded as a 'domestic terrorist'. Or, similarly, in one seeing zero merit in worshiping creations of men.

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So maybe the propaganda about this mythical hen's teeth 'sovereign citizen movement' is more about damage control put on by someone or someones fear of being caught in a massive lie? Why didn't MSM mention speak of a "Sovereignty Awareness Movement" or a "Great Awakening"?

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

French Republic lost Saint Domingue (Haiti) too.
This is the primary reason for the sale of the Louisiana Purchase to government of the United States.

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I recall reading from a reputable source that banks were installed in Haiti primarily to collect taxes. Maybe that is their purpose in other places too?

I find this pertinent.

Economics has been dumbed down since the late 1800s.

Economics is a subset of a far wider area: POLITICAL ECONOMY.

Accounting, finance, business, economics, law, history, sociology, philosophy, political science, and others have all been split into separate groups. Unify these areas and you reach political economy.

Political economy, itself, is a subset of the wider subject of MORAL PHILOSOPHY.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

I recall reading from a reputable source that banks were installed in Haiti primarily to collect taxes. Maybe that is their purpose in other places too?

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Do you have any treatises or writings on such?
If you do, link me :). I'm always looking to add to my collection....

Banks are creatures born from government, but so are corporations.
Today, banks function more as reporting agents while corporations act as the modern day equivalent of the Roman publicans as well as reporting agents.

Informants may be a better term for them both.

Full version at Google video. It's now been moved over here, so you can see the whole thing. Attachment 1118
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FiaUpeJxcA

I would surmise as education has increased, so has rebelliousness :) particularly if there is high integration amongst subjects in the education.

The America Revolutionary War wasn't necessarily a rebellion. 'Revolution' is not synonymous with 'rebellion'. The French Revolution may have technically been a rebellion or an invasion even. However, requiring servants to do their jobs isn't rebellion AFAIK.

Well David, I spent most of today listening to your talkshoes with Michael Joseph while I was working. This is probably the third or fourth time doing so, and I have to say I'm understanding you much better now. More specifically, I understand better what your concern was with US notes being lumped together with others and being called US currency notes. You are right, it is cleverly disguised, pre-meditated deception on the part of lawmakers.

So I want to thank you for your patience with me and other folks like me who, for whatever reason, need to see things several times before the pieces to the puzzle begin fitting together.

This thread hs been a good exercise for me. Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful comments.