How to Slay the corporate Dragon

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05-17-14, 03:24 AM
Jaro

How to Slay the corporate Dragon

Hey everyone, now most of you already know that since 1933 there's NO MONEY in US, so why is everyone paying income taxes? The courts have ruled that FRNs are OBLIGATIONS of United States and liabilities of the Federal Reserve, which MEANS basically that when you have FRNs, the US OWES you a payment, because you're holding their PROMISE TO PAY. FRN's are LIKE CHECKS, issued by US and drawn on the Federal Reserve bank, VIA the 12 USC 411 demand for redemption.
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So here's how to beat the stupid FedRes banksters and their minions in Congress and State legislatures. You see people get taxed for using a gov't BENEFIT of LEGAL TENDER. The legal tender 'laws' FORCE everyone who's under the federal jurisdiction (District of Columbia, AKA the United States), to accept FRNs as money, INSTEAD OF real money.
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So when you use FRNs to buy something, you're using a gov't benefit, and the way you reciprocate for that, is by paying an income tax. They offer VALUE (legal tender), and in return they get RIGHTS (right to tax your income). Of course they took away our money in 1933, so we have no choice but to play their lousy game, using their lousy money SUBSTITUTES, right? WRONG!
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You see, if you got no money, then obviously you can't have no income, and with no income there can be no income tax. Of course if you're one of the sheeple and think that FRNs are money, then obviously you have no right to complain. And that's because most people don't understand that FRNs have DUAL PURPOSE. They are obligations of US, AND they also are LEGAL TENDER.
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And the most important thing is that using FRNs as legal tender is VOLUNTARY. No one forces you to use FRNs as legal tender to buy stuff! So here's the deal. If you ONLY use FRNs as US obligations, and NOT as legal tender, then you're NOT using a gov't benefit (of legal tender), so you have NO TAX LIABILITY. That is, unless you're a dumbo who readily admits to being the all-caps NAME/strawman, and a citizen of District of Columbia, AKA the United States.
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So let me repeat that, NO LEGAL TENDER=NO TAX LIABILITY. You remember how the IRS was created? By the order of the secretary of Treasury. Which only makes sense that it has authority ONLY where US Treasury has authority, i.e. over nation's currency. I mean, you don't think that US Dept. of Agriculture has authority over jails or nation's airways, do you? Same with the IRS, if it was created INSIDE of the US Treasury, then its authority CAN'T exceed the authority of the US Treasury, and that only has authority over nation's money, i.e. legal tender.
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And if you have NO LEGAL TENDER, do you think the Treasury or any of its creations has authority over you? I don't see how it could, especially since in this corporate Matrix, you just CAN'T have any income if you don't have any legal tender such as FRNs.
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But, you might say, when I have FRNs, I have legal tender, right? WRONG! That's the kicker, you ONLY have legal tender if you VOLUNTARILY use FRNs as money (to buy stuff), OR if you INTEND to use them that way.
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BUT if you consider FRNs as OBLIGATIONS of the US, which you INTEND to redeem (at the FedRes bank as per 12 USC 411), then YOU HAVE NO LEGAL TENDER. Remember, legal tender is a gov't BENEFIT, which you CAN'T be forced to use!
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Here's how to use that in practice. If you're arrested or in court, it'd be wise of you to say 'These FRNs in my pocket are NOT money. I don't intend to use them as money, I only intend to redeem them in lawful money according to law'. And THAT's IT! After you say that, they CAN'T consider those FRNs as money/legal tender, so you're no longer a DEBTOR, but instead a CREDITOR of the US, in possession of US securities. And that CHANGES EVERYTHING!
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And like I said, if you possess gov't securities, then it's NOT legal tender, so you have NO MONEY, so you CAN'T pay fines, and you have NO TAX LIABILITIES. I mean, I believe even the IRS has some statute that says that if you don't have any money you don't have to pay the tax.
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Now that's all dandy, but the US is bankrupt so when you go redeem their FRN obligations in lawful money, they WON'T give you any real money, just FRNs, which you'll need to use as legal tender to buy stuff with, else you might die of hunger. And here's how I'd deal with that. When you make a demand for lawful money pursuant to 12 USC 411, and they won't give you real money, then the US has DISHONORED its obligation to PAY YOU for your labor. And that is BAD. FOR THEM. Their "check" just bounced, so they don't just owe you a payment for your labor, they also owe you penalties for that dishonor.
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And that means that the United States or any of its agencies or States HAVE NO STANDING to charge you with anything, unless there's a verified complaint of the injured party. But if that happens, one might give the judge one's Affidavit or other proof of your US creditor status, or file a counter claim. And counter claims must be dealt with FIRST, before the case can proceed.
Yeah, "Mr." federal gov't, since I can't be forced to use your gov't benefit of legal tender, I DEMAND to have your obligations (FRN's) redeemed in REAL lawful money. And until you do, you have no standing to charge me with any statutory violations!
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Oh, and regarding using FRNs to buy stuff AFTER you make a demand for lawful money, then it's NO LONGER a gov't benefit, so it CAN'T be considered as legal tender. And that means that using FRNs as money then, is ONLY done by you UNDER DURESS and UNDER PROTEST, since you have no choice, because US dishonored their promise to pay, and FAILED to pay you what they owe to you. And if they failed to pay you, then YOU WERE NOT PAID, and if you were not paid, YOU CAN'T HAVE NO INCOME!
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BTW, the US replaced Public (Constitutional) Law with (corporate) US Public Policy in 1933, due to their bankruptcy and there being no money in circulation, and they claim it justified due to NECESSITY. I.e. because there's no real money, they claim authority to FORCE everyone under Public Policy, due to necessity.
Now here's the good news. you can claim the SAME NECESSITY to return to Public Law. And that's the necessity of using FRNs as money, BECAUSE US DISHONORED their obligation, the FRNs when you tried to redeem them in lawful money!
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So the politicians were TRUMPHING us by claiming necessity to force us under Public Policy, and as I have shown you, we can now TRUMPH them back, by claiming necessity due to their dishonor when we attempt to redeem FRNs in LM.
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BTW, I believe that most of us here are on Hero's Journey. That's the term that Joseph Campbell coined for the basic storyline that many fairytales go along. I.e. some prince or noble soul goes on a journey to slay a dragon that's holding a princess hostage. He overcomes many obstacles on the journey, until he MEETS a WISEMAN who gives him a SPECIAL WEAPON to slay the dragon. But of course only a person of pure heart will be willing to face a giant dragon with a weapon that comes from some loner wiseman and not from a store with a guarantee to slay dragons. In other words, it requires one to be rather spiritual since there's usually no great material reward for slaying that dragon, but having that pure heart usually results in the hero's victory over the dragon. Now I don't claim being that 'wiseman', but who knows, stranger things have happened :-)
And the "dragon" we're fighting is the most powerful corporate gov't on Earth, so I don't expect everyone to take it on :-) But I do believe that what I've posted here IS the weapon to slay the corporate beast, at least on a personal level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth
05-17-14, 09:42 AM
David Merrill

I always enjoy thinking through mental models about money. Thank you!
05-20-14, 05:03 PM
KnowLaw

How to Slay the corporate Dragon

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Originally Posted by Jaro

Yeah, "Mr." federal gov't, since I can't be forced to use your gov't benefit of legal tender, I DEMAND to have your obligations (FRN's) redeemed in REAL lawful money. And until you do, you have no standing to charge me with any statutory violations!

You need to go back to the drawing board and study law before you go out proselytizing about how to achieve remedy spouting the bilge you're spouting. If people were to blindly listen to and follow what you have to say on this subject, they'd find themselves behind bars so quick their heads would spin. And be complaining about having been railroaded to boot!

There are other ways to actually prove "no standing" other than the dubious reasoning used in the quotation above. You'd better have your facts and documentation of the record ready before you even attempt such a feat. The fact that you don't seem to be aware of this is what has me concerned about your post.

I'm surprised that David hasn't raked this post over the coals. (Although, actually, as I think of it, not really. He's willing to watch others hang themselves by their own faulty beliefs, rather than to correct them.)
05-20-14, 05:21 PM
ag maniac

Jaro hosts a web site "Sovereign Warriors"....well intentioned but belligerent & combative crowd over there
05-20-14, 07:57 PM
Michael Joseph

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Originally Posted by KnowLaw

You need to go back to the drawing board and study law before you go out proselytizing about how to achieve remedy spouting the bilge you're spouting. If people were to blindly listen to and follow what you have to say on this subject, they'd find themselves behind bars so quick their heads would spin. And be complaining about having been railroaded to boot!

There are other ways to actually prove "no standing" other than the dubious reasoning used in the quotation above. You'd better have your facts and documentation of the record ready before you even attempt such a feat. The fact that you don't seem to be aware of this is what has me concerned about your post.

I'm surprised that David hasn't raked this post over the coals. (Although, actually, as I think of it, not really. He's willing to watch others hang themselves by their own faulty beliefs, rather than to correct them.)

Know Law,

I agree with your analysis. I just had lunch today with an engineering colleague and we were discussing the emotional responses that we both went thru when we had our "awakening" experience. As for me, first I was angry, but soon after my anger died out it was replaced with "sadness". The Scriptures do declare "with much knowledge comes much sorrow". How true.

Where is a competent man to turn when it seems all sorts of battlements have been erected to encompass him on all sides? There is much confusion and there seems to be no relief. But then there appears a ray of hope in the promise of Full Liability in Declaration of Status. One can be angry and another trespasses upon a claim they did not make and have no access to and yet both end up the the ditch.

A wise man one told me "Do not trust any man" - therefore due diligence is required of everyman. One who trusts a blind man is well no better, yes?

Furthermore the Scriptures declare that a righteous man should stay far from the house of an angry man. I had to learn that one the hard way. Took the seminar and everything!

One making claims of someone else's standing had best be sure. Especially when one finds himself in a foreign court. One might have to look in the mirror to see if one has any standing? Or perhaps the one complaining might find himself to be food for the wolves. Joseph found in the pit - was sold into Egypt - by the Merchants - as a slave. Property unclaimed.

Absent any claim and declaration there is no standing! And one absent standing in agreement with the compact holders is in dire straights and is in trespass. The ONLY remedy to one absent standing is TORT - end of story.

So right on Know Law, I support your statement - Learn the Law. I heard a philosophy professor say once "a little philosophy leads one away from God, a little more, brings him back". As such theories abound in what I call Socialism. And the like.

Shalom,
MJ
05-21-14, 02:12 AM
David Merrill

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I did not read the post very carefully before I commented but I enjoyed the ride. I want to show you all why I found it so enjoyable!

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Originally Posted by Jaro

Hey everyone, now most of you already know that since 1933 there's NO MONEY in US, so why is everyone paying income taxes? The courts have ruled that FRNs are OBLIGATIONS of United States and liabilities of the Federal Reserve, which MEANS basically that when you have FRNs, the US OWES you a payment, because you're holding their PROMISE TO PAY. FRN's are LIKE CHECKS, issued by US and drawn on the Federal Reserve bank, VIA the 12 USC 411 demand for redemption.
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So here's how to beat the stupid FedRes banksters and their minions in Congress and State legislatures. You see people get taxed for using a gov't BENEFIT of LEGAL TENDER. The legal tender 'laws' FORCE everyone who's under the federal jurisdiction (District of Columbia, AKA the United States), to accept FRNs as money, INSTEAD OF real money.
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So when you use FRNs to buy something, you're using a gov't benefit, and the way you reciprocate for that, is by paying an income tax. They offer VALUE (legal tender), and in return they get RIGHTS (right to tax your income). Of course they took away our money in 1933, so we have no choice but to play their lousy game, using their lousy money SUBSTITUTES, right? WRONG!
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You see, if you got no money, then obviously you can't have no income, and with no income there can be no income tax. Of course if you're one of the sheeple and think that FRNs are money, then obviously you have no right to complain. And that's because most people don't understand that FRNs have DUAL PURPOSE. They are obligations of US, AND they also are LEGAL TENDER.
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Here is where the excursion I enjoyed began.

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Originally Posted by Jaro

And the most important thing is that using FRNs as legal tender is VOLUNTARY. No one forces you to use FRNs as legal tender to buy stuff! So here's the deal. If you ONLY use FRNs as US obligations, and NOT as legal tender, then you're NOT using a gov't benefit (of legal tender), so you have NO TAX LIABILITY. That is, unless you're a dumbo who readily admits to being the all-caps NAME/strawman, and a citizen of District of Columbia, AKA the United States.
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Residing in the states...

I recognize this doctrine. So let's think this through because the peculiar usage of this word should be noticed...

Suppose they want my tacit declaration on a Class R (Resident?) license? I could simply use the common carrier United States Postal Service (of Process). You know! Use their address (for me).

Get it?

If not, then you have a different sense of humor than I do - no big surprise. The funny part is that you missed the remedy - that is to say, redeeming lawful money is for the Noachide as well as the Israelite; the nakar as well as the brit (stranger as well as the brother).

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Originally Posted by Jaro

So let me repeat that, NO LEGAL TENDER=NO TAX LIABILITY. You remember how the IRS was created? By the order of the secretary of Treasury. Which only makes sense that it has authority ONLY where US Treasury has authority, i.e. over nation's currency. I mean, you don't think that US Dept. of Agriculture has authority over jails or nation's airways, do you? Same with the IRS, if it was created INSIDE of the US Treasury, then its authority CAN'T exceed the authority of the US Treasury, and that only has authority over nation's money, i.e. legal tender.
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I believe the presumption you have a choice about what currency to use is quickly catching up with the logic.

Continued...
05-21-14, 02:14 AM
David Merrill

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Continued...

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Originally Posted by Jaro

And if you have NO LEGAL TENDER, do you think the Treasury or any of its creations has authority over you? I don't see how it could, especially since in this corporate Matrix, you just CAN'T have any income if you don't have any legal tender such as FRNs.
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But, you might say, when I have FRNs, I have legal tender, right? WRONG! That's the kicker, you ONLY have legal tender if you VOLUNTARILY use FRNs as money (to buy stuff), OR if you INTEND to use them that way.

...which is why any good suitor knows to keep a good record of his demand! To make his intent clear and published. - Like using the process server's address for my "Residence"! This shows my intent not to reside. As far as legal process goes, what could be better?

The police/prosecutor sends my process to a professional process server!!

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Originally Posted by Jaro

BUT if you consider FRNs as OBLIGATIONS of the US, which you INTEND to redeem (at the FedRes bank as per 12 USC 411), then YOU HAVE NO LEGAL TENDER. Remember, legal tender is a gov't BENEFIT, which you CAN'T be forced to use!
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Yes!!

They cannot impose your intent upon you.

When a new suitor is filing his or her Libel of Review and the clerk gets obstructive with nosy questions I instruct, I feel like you are giving me legal advice.

It always shuts the clerk up and never have I heard the new suitor report in response, No. Sir, you do not feel that way!

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Originally Posted by Jaro

Here's how to use that in practice. If you're arrested or in court, it'd be wise of you to say 'These FRNs in my pocket are NOT money. I don't intend to use them as money, I only intend to redeem them in lawful money according to law'. And THAT's IT! After you say that, they CAN'T consider those FRNs as money/legal tender, so you're no longer a DEBTOR, but instead a CREDITOR of the US, in possession of US securities. And that CHANGES EVERYTHING!
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The deputy in the booking area actually walked me in front of the camera and microphone and asked me, Do you ever use American currency?

I of course answered, Yes. But then quickly realized the confession. He just surprised me into confessing!! Of course that was in the Montana Freeman Days but the laws around money have not changed much...

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Originally Posted by Jaro

And like I said, if you possess gov't securities, then it's NOT legal tender, so you have NO MONEY, so you CAN'T pay fines, and you have NO TAX LIABILITIES. I mean, I believe even the IRS has some statute that says that if you don't have any money you don't have to pay the tax.
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Now that's all dandy, but the US is bankrupt so when you go redeem their FRN obligations in lawful money, they WON'T give you any real money, just FRNs, which you'll need to use as legal tender to buy stuff with, else you might die of hunger. And here's how I'd deal with that. When you make a demand for lawful money pursuant to 12 USC 411, and they won't give you real money, then the US has DISHONORED its obligation to PAY YOU for your labor. And that is BAD. FOR THEM. Their "check" just bounced, so they don't just owe you a payment for your labor, they also owe you penalties for that dishonor.
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Yes!! General Bond Rule E(5)(b). Post 2X the Damages.

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Originally Posted by Jaro

And that means that the United States or any of its agencies or States HAVE NO STANDING to charge you with anything, unless there's a verified complaint of the injured party. But if that happens, one might give the judge one's Affidavit or other proof of your US creditor status, or file a counter claim. And counter claims must be dealt with FIRST, before the case can proceed.
Yeah, "Mr." federal gov't, since I can't be forced to use your gov't benefit of legal tender, I DEMAND to have your obligations (FRN's) redeemed in REAL lawful money. And until you do, you have no standing to charge me with any statutory violations!
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Oh, and regarding using FRNs to buy stuff AFTER you make a demand for lawful money, then it's NO LONGER a gov't benefit, so it CAN'T be considered as legal tender. And that means that using FRNs as money then, is ONLY done by you UNDER DURESS and UNDER PROTEST, since you have no choice, because US dishonored their promise to pay, and FAILED to pay you what they owe to you. And if they failed to pay you, then YOU WERE NOT PAID, and if you were not paid, YOU CAN'T HAVE NO INCOME!
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That may very well be TOO elegant Jaro.

The authority does not come from arguing. The authority comes from being right and keeping a record.

What you said about a Counterclaim is spot on though. So I refined a Counterclaim for a suitor looking at a response from the IRS threatening a FrivPen... He is arguing No Taxable Income, just as you say. And for the same reason, just in simpler terms and on the record in federal court, published on PACER.

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Originally Posted by Jaro

BTW, the US replaced Public (Constitutional) Law with (corporate) US Public Policy in 1933, due to their bankruptcy and there being no money in circulation, and they claim it justified due to NECESSITY. I.e. because there's no real money, they claim authority to FORCE everyone under Public Policy, due to necessity.
Now here's the good news. you can claim the SAME NECESSITY to return to Public Law. And that's the necessity of using FRNs as money, BECAUSE US DISHONORED their obligation, the FRNs when you tried to redeem them in lawful money!
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So the politicians were TRUMPHING us by claiming necessity to force us under Public Policy, and as I have shown you, we can now TRUMPH them back, by claiming necessity due to their dishonor when we attempt to redeem FRNs in LM.

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Eloquent!

This is what I mean by 153 years has passed since LINCOLN declared a domestic enemy (Combinations) on April 15, 1861 but that just leaves us feeling little understood, huh, Jaro?

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Originally Posted by Jaro

BTW, I believe that most of us here are on Hero's Journey. That's the term that Joseph Campbell coined for the basic storyline that many fairytales go along. I.e. some prince or noble soul goes on a journey to slay a dragon that's holding a princess hostage. He overcomes many obstacles on the journey, until he MEETS a WISEMAN who gives him a SPECIAL WEAPON to slay the dragon. But of course only a person of pure heart will be willing to face a giant dragon with a weapon that comes from some loner wiseman and not from a store with a guarantee to slay dragons. In other words, it requires one to be rather spiritual since there's usually no great material reward for slaying that dragon, but having that pure heart usually results in the hero's victory over the dragon. Now I don't claim being that 'wiseman', but who knows, stranger things have happened :-)
And the "dragon" we're fighting is the most powerful corporate gov't on Earth, so I don't expect everyone to take it on :-) But I do believe that what I've posted here IS the weapon to slay the corporate beast, at least on a personal level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

I agree though; If you think you could ever argue this in court, you are headed for prison!
05-21-14, 09:21 AM
David Merrill

Maybe for Standing, just be?

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Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
05-22-14, 12:44 AM
KnowLaw

How to Slay the corporate Dragon

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Originally Posted by ag maniac

Jaro hosts a web site "Sovereign Warriors"....well intentioned but belligerent & combative crowd over there

Thanks for the heads up, ag. I don't have enough time to keep up with the various new personalities that arrive at this forum. So, the heads up is appreciated. :)

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

Know Law,

I agree with your analysis. I just had lunch today with an engineering colleague and we were discussing the emotional responses that we both went thru when we had our "awakening" experience. As for me, first I was angry, but soon after my anger died out it was replaced with "sadness".

Where is a competent man to turn when it seems all sorts of battlements have been erected to encompass him on all sides? There is much confusion and there seems to be no relief. But then there appears a ray of hope in the promise of Full Liability in Declaration of Status.

A wise man one told me "Do not trust any man" - therefore due diligence is required of everyman.

Appreciate your thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. I enjoyed your recent discussion with Jethro in another thread.

My first reaction wasn't so much as anger, but more along the lines: How are they getting away with this? What happened that things have come to this? So, I took to studying history (already a favorite subject of mine in school — American history, that is). Endeavoring to track down the truth was a long and arduous journey. You never know what to accept as true until you can see it documented and confirmed. Thanks to David Merrill, I was able to eventually lose my paranoia about what I was seeing taking place. That, in itself, helps to set one on the right path of discovery regarding the causation of the injustice taking place at the level of government.

For many years, I learned about the law in bits and pieces, until about the last five years or so, when I've been focused on learning from books written about law as well as people in forums willing to explain it to others. This is one subject (law) that is indispensable and something that everyone should take seriously in their schooling. Also, it helps to have had some practical experiences to see how things work.

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

One making claims of someone else's standing had best be sure. Especially when one finds himself in a foreign court.

I couldn't agree more. The problem stems from sheer ignorance of how things work (how courts work, how the law works, what is law and whose law is it, things like that). Correct the ignorance, and problems seem to disappear. Or at least no longer present as problems.