More proof from New York DMV that your PERSONAL & PRIVATE vehicle is EXEMPT !

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09-06-13, 05:39 PM
loveunderlaw

More proof from New York DMV that your PERSONAL & PRIVATE vehicle is EXEMPT !

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$VAT125$$@ TXVAT0125+&LIST=LAW+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=221430 39+&TARGET=VIEW

New York Vehicle and Traffic Law § 125

§ 125. Motor vehicles. Every vehicle operated or driven upon a public
highway which is propelled by any power other than muscular power,
except (a) electrically-driven mobility assistance devices operated or
driven by a person with a disability, (a-1) electric personal assistive
mobility devices operated outside a city with a population of one
million or more, (b) vehicles which run only upon rails or tracks, (c)
snowmobiles as defined in article forty-seven of this chapter, and (d)
all terrain vehicles as defined in article forty-eight-B of this
chapter. For the purposes of title four of this chapter, the term motor
vehicle shall exclude fire and police vehicles other than ambulances.

For the purposes of titles four and five of this chapter the term motor
vehicles shall exclude farm type tractors and all terrain type vehicles
used exclusively for agricultural purposes, or for snow plowing, other
than for hire, farm equipment, including self-propelled machines used
exclusively in growing, harvesting or handling farm produce, and
self-propelled caterpillar or crawler-type equipment while being
operated on the contract site.
09-07-13, 01:52 AM
David Merrill

Thanks and welcome!

Could you please add some commentary to make a point?
09-07-13, 01:50 PM
ag maniac

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveunderlaw

..... and (d)
all terrain vehicles as defined in article forty-eight-B of this
chapter.....

For the purposes of titles four and five of this chapter the term motor
vehicles shall exclude farm type tractors and all terrain type vehicles
used exclusively for agricultural purposes, or for snow plowing, other
than for hire, farm equipment, including self-propelled machines used
exclusively in growing, harvesting or handling farm produce, and
self-propelled caterpillar or crawler-type equipment while being
operated on the contract site.

Does this apply in upstate New York only....or is this good for the 5 boroughs also?

"Hey Delroy.....c'mon let's go shoppin' down at the Walmart...."

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09-07-13, 03:00 PM
loveunderlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Thanks and welcome!

Could you please add some commentary to make a point?

Hello David, what exactly do you mean? My only point is that for your personal vehicle there is no need for "Motor Vehicle" "license" plates, or any need to register your property as such. Once you accept that your PRIVATE NON commercial vehicle is used in commerce, only then it becomes a "Motor Vehicle". Legal semantics for the loss of your rights, or if you understand what's been done to you & going on masquerading as law you can beat them at their fraud. It's the same from a Federal level, & the other 50 states on down.
09-07-13, 03:01 PM
loveunderlaw

[QUOTE=ag maniac;11566]Does this apply in upstate New York only....or is this good for the 5 boroughs also?

It applies in the WHOLE state ag!
09-08-13, 12:10 PM
shikamaru

A person may be able to win their case by code pleading the statute while raising the issue.

Aiming for addressing issues concerning law, would lead one to request a bench trial.
09-08-13, 12:44 PM
loveunderlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by shikamaru

A person may be able to win their case by code pleading the statute while raising the issue.

Aiming for addressing issues concerning law, would lead one to request a bench trial.

If you're in municipal "court" an Affidavit with all of the facts & your declaration of your personal vehicle not being a Motor Vehicle should be sufficient to get it dismissed on the spot. If they want to play hardball, you may have to get a change of venue for county court.
09-08-13, 02:36 PM
David Merrill

Been there, done that. It is the same here.

You cannot show this through the Definitions. The prosecutor objected to me bringing in the defining verbiage through law dictionaries. The judge upheld. She would not let me recess to research the C.R.S. and show it through acceptable methods to the court.

The key though is through Carrier. Common and Commercial Carrier as I recall.

If you could show us through the Definitions within those same statutes, Cool!

It cost me 120 Days...
09-08-13, 10:45 PM
loveunderlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Been there, done that. It is the same here.

You cannot show this through the Definitions. The prosecutor objected to me bringing in the defining verbiage through law dictionaries. The judge upheld. She would not let me recess to research the C.R.S. and show it through acceptable methods to the court.

The key though is through Carrier. Common and Commercial Carrier as I recall.

If you could show us through the Definitions within those same statutes, Cool!

It cost me 120 Days...

120 days? Are you serious ? That is not only the same tyranny that our Founders objected to, but it's also a tremendous waste of taxpayer resources to incarcerate someone for financial(political) reasons to make an example out of you. I would never use a law dictionary to defeat them, just their own codes and statutes which are not even true laws at all.

Another thing you can demand is the right to cross-examine a so-called "victim" of your actions, you have the right by law to cross examine any accuser, and demand for them to show you any damage that you did to their physical self, or their property. One tactic I've used in the past is to demand a contract be shown where I've agreed to perform some obligation to them, whch is what it essentially is.

United States Constitution

Article 1:

Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Ask the judge, "what contract, and what obligation" to it do I have" ?

Not only that at least in New York state the Prison Labor; Contract System was Abolished !

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...k_Constitution

Under Article III of New York Constitution

Text of Section 24:

Prison Labor; Contract System Abolished

The legislature shall, by law, provide for the occupation and employment of prisoners sentenced to the several state prisons, penitentiaries, jails and reformatories in the state; and no person in any such prison, penitentiary, jail or reformatory, shall be required or allowed to work, while under sentence thereto, at any trade, industry or occupation, wherein or whereby his or her work, or the product or profit of his or her work, shall be farmed out, contracted, given or sold to any person, firm, association or corporation, provided that the legislature may provide by law that such prisoners may voluntarily perfrom work for nonprofit organizations. As used in this section, the terms “nonprofit organization means an organization operated exclusively for religious, charitable, or educational purposes, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. This section shall not be construed to prevent the legislature from providing that convicts may work for, and that the products of their labor may be disposed of to, the state or any political division thereof, or for or to any public institution owned or managed and controlled by the state, or any political division thereof.

Also make sure that they know you are an inhabitant with full rights, and you're not a resident with no rights.

"Residents" have government granted "privileges", while inhabitants have full rights according to the New York state Constitution.

Article III

Text of Section 7:

Qualifications of Members; Prohibitions on Certain Civil Appointments; Acceptance to Vacate Seat

No person shall serve as a member of the legislature unless he or she is a citizen of the United States and has been a resident of the state of New York for five years, and, except as hereinafter otherwise prescribed, of the assembly or senate district for the twelve months immediately preceding his or her election; if elected a senator or member of assembly at the first election next ensuing after a readjustment or alteration of the senate or assembly districts becomes effective, a person, to be eligible to serve as such, must have been a resident of the county in which the senate or assembly district is contained for the twelve months immediately preceding his or her election. No member of the legislature shall, during the time for which he or she was elected, receive any civil appointment from the governor, the governor and the senate, the legislature or from any city government, to an office which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time. If a member of the legislature be elected to congress, or appointed to any office, civil or military, under the government of the United States, the state of New York, or under any city government except as a member of the national guard or naval militia of the state, or of the reserve forces of the United States, his or her acceptance thereof shall vacate his or her seat in the legislature, providing, however, that a member of the legislature may be appointed commissioner of deeds or to any office in which he or she shall receive no compensation.

An inhabitant of the territory of New York has full rights, and status as a flesh and blood human being. As you well know residents are creations of the criminal bankers and corrupt government.
09-08-13, 11:04 PM
David Merrill

It was "voluntary".

There was an unexplained recess for 15 minutes or so. That is when I should have concluded business but some of the officer/witnesses I am sure would have stopped me or worse.

Since I had not volunteered for jail twice before, the same magistrate (judge) - she had me handcuffed and remanded directly to the jail.

P.S. What I was hoping for is that if you can link definitions describing the distinction between vehicle and motor vehicle through commercial and common carrier too, all within the NY statutory code definitions that would be cool.

I should see if I can find the outline of my argument. To connect the dots though, I had to resort to law dictionaries. It was not my choice. I suspect that you will not be able to adequately argue the difference between private vehicle and motor vehicle as well.
09-08-13, 11:07 PM
loveunderlaw

It sounds like they were plotting against you, too bad you couldn't have gotten out of there! And to think that "we're going to bring Democracy and "freedom" to the World:p

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

It was "voluntary".

There was an unexplained recess for 15 minutes or so. That is when I should have concluded business but some of the officer/witnesses I am sure would have stopped me or worse.

Since I had not volunteered for jail twice before, the same magistrate (judge) - she had me handcuffed and remanded directly to the jail.
09-08-13, 11:12 PM
David Merrill

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveunderlaw

It sounds like they were plotting against you, too bad you couldn't have gotten out of there! And to think that "we're going to bring Democracy and "freedom" to the World:p

I had gotten out of there so many times before I grew overconfident.

Plotting? I was actually filing my entire argument and the definitions beforehand! You are onto something very strong but I believe (now) the metaphysics cannot function without bonding. You have to take responsibility and as soon as you do, the law shifts in support. So get an effective liquid bond and you can go about your way properly.
09-08-13, 11:18 PM
loveunderlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

I had gotten out of there so many times before I grew overconfident.

Plotting? I was actually filing my entire argument and the definitions beforehand! You are onto something very strong but I believe (now) the metaphysics cannot function without bonding. You have to take responsibility and as soon as you do, the law shifts in support. So get an effective liquid bond and you can go about your way properly.

I've always used my Affidavits, which first advised them of my status not as a driver using "privileges", but as a free citizen exercising a right to travel which no one can lawfully deprive me of. New York State V & T law makes it very clear that I don't have to ask their permission to exercise a right!
09-09-13, 01:40 AM
David Merrill

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveunderlaw

I've always used my Affidavits, which first advised them of my status not as a driver using "privileges", but as a free citizen exercising a right to travel which no one can lawfully deprive me of. New York State V & T law makes it very clear that I don't have to ask their permission to exercise a right!

That was what I am getting at - around here, that and $30K liquidity bond in escrow will get you by.

Here, the insurance company will not cover you for an accident unless you have a competency certificate called a driver license. It is all about perspective. How you build identity.
09-09-13, 02:58 AM
loveunderlaw

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

That was what I am getting at - around here, that and $30K liquidity bond in escrow will get you by.

Here, the insurance company will not cover you for an accident unless you have a competency certificate called a driver license. It is all about perspective. How you build identity.

Alot of people don't realize that you can self insure if you so choose. It's optional for a non commercial vehicle. Please check out the attached document, it's quite an eye opener for those that don't know about the scam being perpetrated upon our state and nation!

No matter what the criminals say, they can't tax(mandatory insurance) travel on our public roads! They may kick your ass, or lock you up over it. But by law they can't hold you more than 72 hours, without filing charges on you. They usually like to break your balls, then let you go. They got me once when I was younger and not so seasoned, it scared me then. But not anymore. They're the ones that are afraid of us, they hide behind tyranny, but they know if the real "We The People" wanted to, we could crush the World Criminal Banker Cartel that pulled their sneaky coup off in 1913. Iceland crushed the criminal bankers, and told them to "shove your debt". So many bankers are in prison over there now, I just love it ha ha.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...-it-wrong.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2376345.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygr...-success-story

http://disinfo.com/2012/07/iceland-j...overs-strongly

It's time to wake up people !!!
09-09-13, 02:02 PM
David Merrill

Exactly! They can nail you for being irresponsible financially.
03-20-14, 01:32 AM
Moxie

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

It was "voluntary".

There was an unexplained recess for 15 minutes or so. That is when I should have concluded business but some of the officer/witnesses I am sure would have stopped me or worse.

Since I had not volunteered for jail twice before, the same magistrate (judge) - she had me handcuffed and remanded directly to the jail.

Re: voluntary -So if you said, "I object" to them cuffing you, they would have let you go?
03-20-14, 03:57 AM
allodial

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Exactly! They can nail you for being irresponsible financially.

From what I gather, its mainly to do with 'covenants' and/or 'risk mitigation'. Also, if the Plantation is commercial, being a 'resident' or 'employee' of the Plantation might make it challenging to counter the commercial presumption. The DMV likely doesn't issue titles to non-residents--why is that? Out of Plantation out of mind. Even though I can rightfully take control of an automobile and privately travel by that means, IMHO its a good idea to file a bond or deposit $ with the State to cover potential loss, injury or damage or something like that. From what I gather, they are trained (perhaps to support weird or wild presumptions) to presume intentional destructiveness on your part. If you deposit $50K or w/e in cash with them for covering damages you might never cause, it removes their 'intent to destroy' or incompetency presumptions.

In contrast, consider some 'countries' if you were to accidentally hit, mame or kill someone who hopped out in front of your car and you were to stop to help them, their relatives would kill you on sight: presuming that you INTENDED to do it or even just killing you for 'balance' because you killed or mamed their relative. To the extent that the consulate would tell its citizens/nationals when travelling in such places to go to the nearest police station and rather than stopping to give immediate assistance if one hits someone who stepped out of the woods to your surprise. Puts things in perspective. At least over there you have to actually injure someone first!