Assume one has made demands for lawful money and has an 'evidence repository'/admissible evidence of this fact.
What remedies would you all pursue if "IRS" and/or an employee thereof ignored this, sent a "Notice of Levy" to a payor of yours, and that payor honored the "Levy" -- what would you do to stop it and procure the return of your money?
When it rains, carry an umbrella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
But seriously, forgiveness is the only remedy.
That response is right on! The 843 Form, I was calling it the Forgiveness Form. However we then found a suitor calling the IRS agent to find that it was exclusively the 843 Form that was agitating the frivolous penalty!
However, forgiveness is the only remedy works on many levels!
It was William Blackstone who said, ""it is a general and indisputable rule that where there is a legal right, there is also a legal remedy by suit or action at law whenever that right is invaded." The SC even cited this in Marbury v. Madison
5 U.S. 137. I don't believe forgiveness falls into the category of "legal remedy", does it?
Hi Jethro,Quote:
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I'm not qualified to offer a good answer. But if you believe you were wronged, how can a dollar amount ever make you whole?
is payor a bank employee?Quote:
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Im getting error message when trying to access the .pdf in your link, it has been happening with all your links lately. anyone else able to access it? wondering if it is something on my end or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
about forgiveness, if that is the only remedy then why redeem lawful money in the first place?
I believe this to be an issue with Chrome browser....either right click & "save as"....or use another browser to openQuote:
Originally Posted by george
That's what the law/courts are supposed to do: make you whole from legal wrongs. Sometimes money is all that can be done to rectify the wrong. In this case, money would suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith Alan
No.Quote:
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I'm experiencing the same problem.Quote:
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Precisely.Quote:
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yeah, I dont get it.. and its very difficult to get questions answered directly but Ive noticed it elsewhere on other non related forums aswell. not sure what thats all about?
usually very intelligent folks too but its like folks cant even see the questions? Ive even tried numbering them and then one at a time and still no results so the Im fairly sure the breakdown in communication is not on my end. oh well..
if ya dont mind my asking..whats going on Jethro? how did you loose money? Im not sure what you mean by payor, I guess.
I presume they don't answer because they don't know the answer. And there is no shame in simply not knowing. However, if we do not have the means or knowledge to enforce our legal rights when violated, then all the other legal research is merely academic.Quote:
Originally Posted by george
False "1099-MISC" forms being filed. The payer/issuer of the false forms refused to stop issuing the forms. A lawful money demand was made on every payment sent from this payer. Someone from "IRS" sends the payer a "Notice of Levy" and the payor honors it. All of my requests to stop it are ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by george
Now what?
Who gave you legal rights? Produce the evidence of your claim which established legal rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
If one undertakes in a use established by another THEN has only CIVIL RIGHTS. And those are mere benefits granted to those who abide in the terms of use which govern that use. I like to refer to these as END USERS.
The agent for those establishing the Use desire that one performs since one made a use are occupying within those terms. This is Equity.
I had a similar situation years back that is touched on herein. 2005 went to garnishment. Wrote a letter established the facts, the account was zeroed in 27 days absent further action. I take that as a witness that I am working with the ignorance of man in these offices of agents for those who created the use. Eventually my presentment made it way to those who helped Settle the trust agreement - finding me to be in conformance with the bylaws located in a different district, the account was settled.
Why does one want their questions answered? For what purpose? What "skin" will one sacrifice for their own education? Do you trust that the answers coming are true? Ahhhhhhhhhh.
or I guess maybe they are worried their answers may be construed as legal advice.Quote:
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Im currently researching Karl Lentz but also Boris (usufruct surrender/revisionary interest) Karl suggest finding out the real men and/or women involved and using property claims and such.
Boris suggest that the SSN name is a decedant.
both methods seem to be working for folks with IRS issues but at this time I havnt studied enough to decide for myself which of these twos philosophy would work best for me.
in order to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
to have more options available.Quote:
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thats another reason to ask questions. you ask questions to try and eliminate knuckle-busters or worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
I dont but I do trust my gut to make that determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
I think open-source is the only way for humanity to proceed, full transparency! those who do not operate with this most basic philosophy (honesty and compassion) their motives are suspect.
here is a simple question: why hold out if you know the answers to the questions another asks?
Because the one who asks does not comprehend the nature of the question. One asks what books might you recommend for me to read so I can become aware? How to answer that question is a problem. It depends on the knowledge set of the one asking... There is no simple formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by george
Is the question discourse or does the one asking already have a notion of what he/she expects to hear? I see DISHONESTY in one asking a question as a Short Cut so that he/she will not have to perform any work. How is there love and charity therein? What can I do for you, might proceed, in good faith.
Furthermore under what premise does one act if he/she thinks another man is compelled to do anything for him? I asked what skin because I have grown quite used to those who would take from my family's table thinking themselves to be of more importance just because they have yet to put their back to the plow and WORK. I see Opportunity Lost.
I remember early on - I went to one who had knowledge and offered him thousands of dollars worth of my resources and my time, I then humbled myself offering to be his secretary, errand runner and witness for any proceedings he deemed necessary. I then drove long distances again and again to go see him face to face - many times driving him around to do his many errands - always listening and observing.
In the end, I found that Wisdom is found by NOT asking other men questions. So now there is a paradox. What should I do - to ask or not - and what of the teacher where should he or she begin, if at all?
I am a proponent of Scripture - but there are many who will dismiss because they already have their preconceived notions of what is the answer they seek. So again, where to start? The student is prejudiced and therefore is dishonest.
One says I am asking a question about the Law Boundaries of a particular Estate - Why exactly do you want to know? For what purpose? Specifically. Is it to make a gain for yourself? What of the teacher? Wherein is there gain? Or is it a loss? Time wasted upon yet another selfish soul.
Do you hold others to be your teacher? Is it dishonest to take without consideration of any kind?
So do you seek a RELATIONSHIP? Well that would be Special, but we have yet to establish a Trust; therefore, I have no trust in you. Therefore there are no duties or obligations. So what of the whoa is me - poor me - why won't anybody answer me and MY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS - I just can't get any satisfaction - I am growing weary - I am ......
Answer my question : Why should anybody feel compelled to answer your questions absent a special relationship? Mutually beneficial that is. Absent that formation - I just see selfishness.
doug555 has established a VERY THOROUGH assemblage of teachings for anyone who would care to look. One who truly must be seeking such as you, george, SURELY would go and take advantage. Since you trust your gut so much, asking the question in the first place is a complete waste of time. For what has your gut to do with any Law Boundary?
Regarding Honesty - what is honest about asking a question - when one has full knowledge that the answer exists in the place where said one has been instructed to attend? With a pure conscience I would instruct the Reader to go check out doug555 [look him up] he has compiled a page herein that has the soup to nuts version of Lawful Money. I suppose that is what you are asking about right? Be sure to recompense doug555 for his tireless HONEST work, wont you.
Kudos on you doug555 for sharing your time, I appreciate you. I hope I have repaid you in kind. If you happen to read this thread perhaps you might be so kind to link your work to this thread - that is if you have not already done it.
Regards,
MJ
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if thats how you feel then so be it but it strikes me as judgmental. I was not asking on my behalf only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
again, this strikes me as judgmental. dont get me wrong (again!) I didnt say it was judgmental, only seems like it to me.Quote:
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or, what can WE do for our fellow men?Quote:
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simply "do unto others..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
so you take it out on me?Quote:
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more judgments? why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
whats in it for me... is that where you are coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Im very suprised to read these words from you MJ actually, pretty much this whole post but especially these.Quote:
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I learn from everyone, one way or the other, whether they intend it or not. I learn from sinners and saints, children and elderly, drunks and sobers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
how you consider asking questions as taking is quite frankly beyond me.
I see myself in you, can you see the same brother? I have bad days too sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
I will answer because I love and not from a demand "Answer my question: " love is one answer, but also there are problems that need to be solved for for humanities benifit, im truely sorry you see selfishness but before we can help others we must first learn how ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
you have really taken offense to me, why? but since you bring this up (too!) Ive been anxiously awaiting PM reply from doug555, yes, with questions but also thanking him[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
what if everyones mind doesnt work the same way MJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
you just berated a guy (me) who does his best to help other people and including when it takes from his own families table as you put it. and; for nothing other than just being helpful. I go above and beyond in everything I do.. because I can, can you?
I cant yet do that on these subjects but I can with the ones I specialize professionally in because guess what? money, even lawful money, isnt everything.
you want to be helpful? go see my "services" thread, Im still stuck on step one and wont proceed pursuing this lawful money remedy until I can get the seemingly most simple aspect of this whole deal but like I said before.. everyones minds do not work the same. I hope you can forgive me.
sharing is caring. love you too brother man, hope you get to feeling better.
-george
Thank you for caring doug555Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Salvation is about giving - I appreciate you.
Shalom,
MJ