Government as company

I tend to focus not so much the presumed protective functions of government, but its ability to raise CAPITAL via tax receipts as well as the selling of bonds.

The constitutions are corporate charters establishing such companies.

The pool of capital is refreshed, at least, annually.
Services are created to raise additional revenue i.e Social Security, the judiciary, etc.
The executives/trustees take a little off the top for themselves.
Liabilities are passed to the constitutors i.e. tax payers.

Companies and corporations ultimately descend from trust law.
The company titled 'government of the United States' has only had one year in its corporate existence where it was debt free and ran a surplus, 1834-35.
What matters is that it runs or operates. What matters is that it has participation from people. What matters is that it garners energy from people.

To some degree, deficits and surpluses of government are a distraction from seeing it as I've just described.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

I tend to focus not so much the presumed protective functions of government, but its ability to raise CAPITAL via tax receipts as well as the selling of bonds.

The constitutions are corporate charters establishing such companies.

The pool of capital is refreshed, at least, annually.
Services are created to raise additional revenue i.e Social Security, the judiciary, etc.
The executives/trustees take a little off the top for themselves.
Liabilities are passed to the constitutors i.e. tax payers.

Companies and corporations ultimately descend from trust law.
The company titled 'government of the United States' has only had one year in its corporate existence where it was debt free and ran a surplus, 1834-35.
What matters is that it runs or operates. What matters is that it has participation from people. What matters is that it garners energy from people.

To some degree, deficits and surpluses of government are a distraction from seeing it as I've just described.

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A "STATE" can never be anything but a corporation\society, even the feds admit it !

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

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Editor's note: Actually in the U.S. Code the term "United States" is said to have any of three meanings:

US CODE: Title 28,3002. Definitions (archived here)

(15) "United States" means —
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

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Furthermore, under the Articles of Confederation, the term "United States of America" is the "stile" or phrase that was used to describe the Union formed legally by those Articles:

View as table: When you have a Third Party interference between your demand of redemption and the international bankers there is a problem.

A confederacy was formed stiled "The United States of America".

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Originally Posted by Chex

Furthermore, under the Articles of Confederation, the term "United States of America" is the "stile" or phrase that was used to describe the Union formed legally by those Articles:

View as table: When you have a Third Party interference between your demand of redemption and the international bankers there is a problem.

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I keep it real simple - I demand lawful money per 12USC411. That claim must be defeated. Therefore it is not given to one to defend rather to prosecute upon counterclaim - demanding lawful money per 12USC411 in substance and not use. For it is lawful to make a use of FRN's but it appears that FRN's are not lawful money as per the statute and many many court cases.

Therefore to argue in defense is in my opinion not smart. Rather counterclaim upon the facts established in your court of evidence. The cause of action might be breach of trust, breach of contract and perhaps even libel. Upon thou shall not steal and thou shall not commit pre-meditated murder [civil death in debt].

The presumption exists unless it is rebutted timely. There is no respect unto persons.

"one to defend rather to prosecute upon counterclaim" interesting quote MJ but why this............


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,

v.

DOREEN M. HENDRICKSON,
Defendant

http://losthorizons.com/Newsletter/D...dingAppeal.pdf

From this, http://losthorizons.com/Newsletter.htm#ISWD

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Originally Posted by Chex

"one to defend rather to prosecute upon counterclaim" interesting quote MJ but why this............


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,

v.

DOREEN M. HENDRICKSON,
Defendant

http://losthorizons.com/Newsletter/D...dingAppeal.pdf

From this, http://losthorizons.com/Newsletter.htm#ISWD

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In my opinion, it is better to prosecute one's claim rather to defend against a claim. My claim is for Lawful Money as that term is defined by statute.

My cause of action would be breach of trust/contract or libel.

In a trust situation the bank is holding 90k in lawful money for a Boy left to him from his dad his Mom is his legal or lawful guardian and had agreed to the judges order when her common law husband died in car wreck his parents set the trust up for grandchild out off insurance claim.My question is the BANKer has been asking my wife's friend the Mom if she ever needed money from the fund she can get the order varied as it was her that had first claim on the insurance monies all she did was transfer it to her son.It the money cant be drawn upon without a new order no interest or earnings are posted with the mom's monthly statements who demanded lawful money in the first place was it a court judge grandparents lawyer or is it a way to insure the monies are not reserved for other purposes like daily interest or investment . I did my best to explain it and failed if one was to explain it to a 40 yr old broad why the banker wants her business it might help some older guy too?just asking

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Originally Posted by loveunderlaw

A "STATE" can never be anything but a corporation\society, even the feds admit it !

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I believe it is Ben Franklin that said the purpose of government was to protect property and peoples' unequal interest therein....

hi skikamaru,

thats not my "government", I am striving to keep mine between my ears. i now think government is another word/term for mind control im sure youve probably heard that before, no? govern=control, ment= mental. seems to fit! according to Karl Lentz, Obama was quoted as saying "America is a self governing nation"

the way i see it now is that the incorporated one is set up for those of us who fail in self governing. those who cant control their own minds will still have it controlled.

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Originally Posted by xparte

In a trust situation the bank is holding 90k in lawful money for a Boy left to him from his dad his Mom is his legal or lawful guardian and had agreed to the judges order when her common law husband died in car wreck his parents set the trust up for grandchild out off insurance claim.My question is the BANKer has been asking my wife's friend the Mom if she ever needed money from the fund she can get the order varied as it was her that had first claim on the insurance monies all she did was transfer it to her son.It the money cant be drawn upon without a new order no interest or earnings are posted with the mom's monthly statements who demanded lawful money in the first place was it a court judge grandparents lawyer or is it a way to insure the monies are not reserved for other purposes like daily interest or investment . I did my best to explain it and failed if one was to explain it to a 40 yr old broad why the banker wants her business it might help some older guy too?just asking

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hi xparte, if i read you correctly here then whats the problem? if the demand was made and recorded then what does it matter what the bank does?

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Originally Posted by george

hi skikamaru,

thats not my "government", I am striving to keep mine between my ears. i now think government is another word/term for mind control im sure youve probably heard that before, no? govern=control, ment= mental. seems to fit! according to Karl Lentz, Obama was quoted as saying "America is a self governing nation"

the way i see it now is that the incorporated one is set up for those of us who fail in self governing. those who cant control their own minds will still have it controlled.

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The psychological perspective of government from the perspective of an individual, I had not considered. Thank-you for this.

My focus was on the financial aspect of government.

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Definition
: A company is an association or collection of individuals, whether natural persons, legal persons, or a mixture of both. Company members share a common purpose and unite in order to focus their various talents and organize their collectively available skills or resources to achieve specific, declared goals. .... [Link]

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.... as to "whose" government it is or claims to be is a whole other ball of wax .....

Greetings george the 90k sits and draws no interest if it is in lawful money it cant draw interest I explained to the lady that thats a good thing the Bank it seems have a better idea as it has to pay the youngster 90k in lawful money in 9 years if it was interest bearing it would be 160k after 9years it also might be 0 too i think its safe at 90k unless the kid can demand the 160k payme in lawful money the bank has its own interests not the explaining how the 160k is a #on a computer screen what the bank cant explain is the matter would u leave the trust order in lawful money or take a banks investment babel just asking

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Originally Posted by xparte

Greetings george the 90k sits and draws no interest if it is in lawful money it cant draw interest I explained to the lady that thats a good thing the Bank it seems have a better idea as it has to pay the youngster 90k in lawful money in 9 years if it was interest bearing it would be 160k after 9years it also might be 0 too i think its safe at 90k unless the kid can demand the 160k payme in lawful money the bank has its own interests not the explaining how the 160k is a #on a computer screen what the bank cant explain is the matter would u leave the trust order in lawful money or take a banks investment babel just asking

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Punctuation, periods, and paragraphs would go a long way towards understanding what you are attempting to convey here .....

Sorry its not intentional.Why would a bank thats holding a trust account in lawful money under a court appointed order and all parties agreed upon the order.Bank wanting the lady to invest the Money.She would have to get a Judge to change the order to facilitate the way a new trust is structured as the Bank has suggested this option . Whats prudent for the long haul is the security lost if order is varied. thanks

The most important function of government under the premises of the initial post is its ability to create pools of capital as well as its ability to raise funds.