the bible in the courtroom.

the bible is in every "official" court room in the USA, right?

David Merrill (and others) wont swear on it like the masses when they ask you to raise your right hand and swear and for good reasons I thinks since it is written in the very book they are asking you to swear on, not to! right? what is the deal with that? just a preliminary test of some sort?

from what Ive read R. Reagan signed the bible into law in 1983, is that also right? and weve discussed the separation of church and state and I mentioned then that it sure doesnt seem "separated" to me.

this makes me suspicious of the book, the church, and the state. why should I not be? now where can we find out who/what and where made it a requirement that the bible be sworn on? and are these bibles in the courtrooms the same versions? probably all KJV, right? Im guessing..

now what about becoming a court of competent jurisdiction? if you need someone else to testify in your court, is swearing or the bible actually needed for this? this is also not in the instruction set sub-forum.

and why am I so suspicious of everything? seems so natural to me. if there actually was ever a garden of eden Im sure I would enjoy it. the snake is probably what makes me ask this stuff. or ask anything really. hmmm

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Originally Posted by george

the bible is in every "official" court room in the USA, right?

and are these bibles in the courtrooms the same versions? probably all KJV, right? Im guessing..

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In Canada's court rooms I was told that extra pages were added into their copy's that had government statutes. Can't remember with ones.
So one will have to go through it page by page to see what alterations they did to it.
Conclusion: is it really a Bible or a bastardization of one.

Also court rooms have a oath for one to swear if they are atheists.

An oath is an oath is an oath.

What if one said I can't swear on this bible until I read it?
I' am a slow reader, see you in a few months.

When was the last time you were in a court room? How about the last time using an internet search engine? These were whipped up in a jiffy.

In California it is straight up, raise your right hand and "state" (not "swear") to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. No bible.
http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html

Again wikipedia...
"Separation of church and state" is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson to help describe the clauses;
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Under no terms does it mean absolute separation in all cases. That is why the clauses are worded the way they are, describing the specific.


Reagan merely made a proclamation, "Year of the Bible". No law was passed. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20383b.htm

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Originally Posted by EZrhythm

When was the last time you were in a court room? How about the last time using an internet search engine? These were whipped up in a jiffy.

In California it is straight up, raise your right hand and "state" (not "swear") to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. No bible.
http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html

Again wikipedia...
"Separation of church and state" is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson to help describe the clauses;
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Under no terms does it mean absolute separation in all cases. That is why the clauses are worded the way they are, describing the specific.


Reagan merely made a proclamation, "Year of the Bible". No law was passed. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20383b.htm

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About 5 years ago in a Vancouver court room I watched a friend swear on a bible.

Dieu et mon droit (sign above a judges head in a Canadian court room)

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(meaning God and my right)

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Originally Posted by george

the bible is in every "official" court room in the USA, right?

David Merrill (and others) wont swear on it like the masses when they ask you to raise your right hand and swear and for good reasons I thinks since it is written in the very book they are asking you to swear on, not to! right? what is the deal with that? just a preliminary test of some sort?

from what Ive read R. Reagan signed the bible into law in 1983, is that also right? and weve discussed the separation of church and state and I mentioned then that it sure doesnt seem "separated" to me.

this makes me suspicious of the book, the church, and the state. why should I not be? now where can we find out who/what and where made it a requirement that the bible be sworn on? and are these bibles in the courtrooms the same versions? probably all KJV, right? Im guessing..

now what about becoming a court of competent jurisdiction? if you need someone else to testify in your court, is swearing or the bible actually needed for this? this is also not in the instruction set sub-forum.

and why am I so suspicious of everything? seems so natural to me. if there actually was ever a garden of eden Im sure I would enjoy it. the snake is probably what makes me ask this stuff. or ask anything really. hmmm

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You make some excellent points george, I'll ask some of the local judges\da's why "you're made to swear on the Bible".

hi walter, EZrhythm, loveunderlaw,

oath.. yeah, that I need to look into more. AFAIK, there is no law that requires us to be able to read so before one could read the book as you suggest walter, one may not be able to swear to something he can not read.

this is a discussion forum EZrhythm, thanks for adding to the discussion. have you become a court of competent jurisdiction? Im working on it, thats why I ask such things here.


I just bring up some points here that Ive noticed others have elsewhere loveunderlaw, I could bring it up elsewhere but I admire the thought patterns here more than other forums that deal with these subjects. we get occasional bleedover but it doesnt seem to be the norm.

as far as asking a judge or DA's and the like, Im not sure they would tell the truth about it if they knew it however I doubt they would lie about it either so it might shed more light on the subject by what they dont say about it?


I find the whole deal suspicious.. I mean, why no schematic or operators manual on becoming a court, a judge, etc.? thats one of the main reasons I started paying attention to David Merrill, he used to write alot in the "echo chambers" on the internet about the hows and sometime whys on these subjects. some of his earlier writings seemed easier to grasp too (prior to this forum) many are still available elsewhere but it is a real shame what happened to SJC. he really tried hard there to get his ideas across. his later writings sometimes get a little too "out there" for me, mixing confusing ideologies into it all. also very interesting but TMI.

as you can probably tell, I hold him in high regards but Ive always been suspicious of him too LOL not in any kind of criminal way though.

its a tricky world we have. to think otherwise seems foolish but on the other hand, ignorance is most certainly blissful. I just wasnt cut out for that I guess.


thanks