The Holocaust of Polish Christians

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09-13-15, 09:25 AM
allodial

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The "Holocaust' (Murder/Genocide) of Polish Christians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTOY5EZ7aI

Many sources suggest that the "P" was a designation for Orthodox or non-Roman-Catholic Christians (history shows that the Bible and the Torah are older than both Babylon and Rome). There was a church at Rome (ala the Book of Romans) but that was not the Roman State Church.

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When it comes to the history of World War II, the American media has developed a black hole concerning the genocidal policies of the Nazis against Christians. Everyone should know by now that not all of Nazism’s victims were Jews. Millions—we do not know and probably will never know the precise number—were Christians, mostly civilians selected for destruction for ethnic, religious, social, cultural, or political reasons. When Christians of that era are mentioned in the media, their victimization is either ignored, trivialized or distorted. Too often false generalizations about pandemic Christian collaboration with the Nazis against the Jews are made to deflect attention away from the huge numbers of Christian victims during the most destructive war in history. -From Why Do We Allow Non-Jewish Victims to be Forgotten?

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The last remaining Orthodox Church in Lutsk, the Volhynian capital was converted by Polish State decree to Roman Rite Catholicism. (source)

The Nazis targeted non-Roman-Catholics. Why?

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Augustine In Defense of Torturing Heretics (more on the traditional Christian view of "heresy")
"The Christian theory of persecution" is the title of the second chapter of the book How the Idea of Religious Toleration Came to the West by world-renowned historian Perez Zagorin (Washington Post obit, Telegraph obit). In that chapter Zagorin tells the story of how "Saint" Augustine came to embrace the idea that coercion, including violence, is a valid method for dealing with heresy. The most fascinating thing about Augustine in this regard is that he was at first openly hostile to the use of violence in resolving disputes over religious doctrine.

Zagorin refers to a letter written by Augustine to Eusebius, sometime before the year 400 AD (letter #35), concerning Christians who had been led astray into heretical sects, and how best to bring them back to the true Church and its teachings. At this time Augustine was still of the opinion that such heretics should not be subjected to violence to compel them to change their minds, rather, they should return to the fold only when they were "willing and desired by free choice what is better."

Reasonably enough, Augustine believed that when people are forced to renounce supposedly "heretical" beliefs, the result is not a sincere change of heart - but only a feigned conversion to escape punishment. Another letter from Augustine addressed to the Donatist heretic Maximinus (letter #23, dated 392 AD), expresses the same rejection of utilizing violence, or the fear of violence, "to compel men to embrace the communion of any party."

But then, as Zagorin describes it, "Augustine eventually reversed his position and decided to endorse coercion." [p.27] In doing so, though, Augustine was simply acquiescing to the established practices of his fellow Christians, who were already using fines, beatings, imprisonment, torture, and execution against various heretical groups. Augustine, in turns, out, had been impressed by the results that had been obtained from these methods - although he personally continued to oppose execution of heretics.

It is important to emphasize that Augustine at first seemed to have taken exactly the position that one would expect any decent human being to hold. It's not as if people just "looked at things differently" back then and saw nothing wrong with torturing people over credal differences. Religious persecution had been rare and exceptional in the Roman Empire prior to Constantine. And in the specific case of the supposed "persecution" of Christians, the targets were often deranged fanatics who committed criminal acts of violence (up to murder) precisely in order to become "voluntary martyrs", as some historians now refer to them (see, for example, the fourth chapter in Christian persecution, martyrdom and orthodoxy, by G.E.M. de Ste. Croix).

The fact is that when Augustine and other Christians embraced the wholesale persecution of every religion other than their own, and even went so far as to persecute all sects that claimed to be Christian, except the one officially approved by the State - they were doing something completely new - and something that at least Augustine felt some moral qualms about, at least at first. It is a grim testament to the power of Christianity's hold on the modern human psyche that today so many people just assume that this kind of violence against people on the basis of religious belief is the norm, rather than a pathological aberration.

After his "conversion to coercion", Augustine became a leading proponent and even a theoretician of persecution. According to Zagorin "Augustine insisted that the emperors and political authorities had the God-given right to crush the sacriledge and schism of the Donatists, since they were as obligated to repress fals and evil religion as to prevent the crime of pagan idolatry." [p.28]

Augustine made use of the so-called "parable of the tares" from the Gospel of Matthew to provide scriptural justification for the use of force against heretics. The most obvious interpretation of this parable, however, is that it actually encourages tolerance - leaving it up to God at the Last Judgment to separate the "wheat" from the "tares". But Augustine said that the parable instead meant the exact opposite - that the "tares" (heretics) needed to be uprooted - so long as this can be done without damaging the "wheat".

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The quintessential expression of the Augustinian "Christian theory of persecution" is to be found in a letter to Boniface, a Roman governor in Africa, dated 417 AD: "There is the unjust persecution which the wicked inflict on the Church of Christ, and the just persecution which the Church of Christ inflicts on the wicked."

Could that be relevant somehow? But what of the case of its really heretics persecuting non-heretics? Where applicable, how could heretics judge by God's law when they oppose by God's law? Where is it written that Augustine trumps God, the Bible and the Torah? To the heretic would not the saint appear to be heretical?

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09-13-15, 07:18 PM
loveunderlaw
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Originally Posted by allodial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTOY5EZ7aI

Many sources suggest that the "P" was a designation for Orthodox or non-Roman-Catholic Christians (history shows that the Bible and the Torah are older than both Babylon and Rome). There was a church at Rome (ala the Book of Romans) but that was not the Roman State Church.

The Nazis targeted non-Roman-Catholics. Why?

Could that be relevant somehow? But what of the case of its really heretics persecuting non-heretics? Where applicable, how could heretics judge by God's law when they oppose by God's law? Where is it written that Augustine trumps God, the Bible and the Torah? To the heretic would not the saint appear to be heretical?

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Forgotten Survivors: Polish Christians Remember the Nazi Occupation (Modern War Studies)
Was the Polish Holocaust Also a Hoax?
Augustine In Defense of Torturing Heretics
The Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocaust
Why Do We Allow Non-Jewish Victims to be Forgotten?
World War II persecution of Serbs
The Undeclared War Against Yugoslavia. A Christian Perspective
There have been many holocausts against Gentiles, but they always try to lead people to believe otherwise. Have you ever seen this report Allodial ?
09-13-15, 07:28 PM
loveunderlaw

Partial text of "Two Hundred "Six Million Jews" Allegations From 1900-1945"

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Two hundred "Six million Jews" allegations from 1900-1945

1900 - Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900: "There are 6,000,000 living,
bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism."

1902 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482: "While there are in
Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."

1902 - Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902: "PLEA FOR ZIONISM
... In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia,
300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?"

1903 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6: " ... six million
downtrodden brethren."

1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2: " ... where five or six
million people existed under persecution."

1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904, page 1: "... the final and
definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews ...
transporting five or six million people over the sea."

1904 - Israel Zangwill, New York Times, October 20, 1904: "The problem does not relate to
the American Jews, but to the 6,000,000 in Russia. The Russian Government has consented
to allow the Jews to leave,"

1905 - New York Times, January 29th, 1905: "He declared that a free and a happy Russia,
with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the
autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence."

1905 - New York Times, November 1st, 1905: "From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000
Jewish families to be expelled from Russia ..."

1906 - New York Times, March 25th, 1906: " ... the condition and future of Russia's
6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish
Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan ... He left St. Petersburg with the firm
conviction that the Russian Government's studied policy for the "solution" of the Jewish
question is systematic and murderous extermination."

1907 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 18th, 1907, page 13: " ... for six million
people cannot emigrate.

1912 - American Jewish Year Book 5672 (23 Sep 1911-11 Sep 1912), page 308: "Russia
has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to expel or exterminate six millions of its people for
no other reason than that they refuse to become members of the Greek Church, but prefer to
remain Jews.

1912 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), January 5th, 1912: " ... more than six million Jews
reside in small towns and villages there is no Sabbath question."

1912 - Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, New York Tribune, September 11th, 1912, page 9: "Russia is
now asphyxiating the Jews. It does not dare to offend the nations by blood spilling, so it is
slowly, but surely grinding out the lives of 6,000,000 Jews."

1913 - Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), October 18th, 1913, page 4: "There are six million
Jews in Russia and the government is anxious to annihilate them by methods that provoke
protests from the civilized world."

1914 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), July 10th, 1914, page 9: " ... where six million Jews
are suffering ..."

1914 - New York Times, December 2nd, 1914, page 12: "APPEAL FOR AID FOR JEWS. ...
the plight of more than 6,000,000 Jews ... upon the Jewish people, more than nine millions of
whom live in the countries at war and over six million of these in the actual war zone in
Poland, Galicia and the whole of Russian frontier."

1915 - New York Times, January 14th, 1915, page 3: "In the world today there are about
13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose
lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow ..."

1915 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 19th, 1915: "How the casting of six million
people into the deepest abyss of servitude and outlawry is to relieve tension we cannot
understand."

1915 - The Sun (NY), June 6, 1915, section 5, page 1: "Six million Jews, one-half of the
Jewish people throughout the world, are being persecuted, hounded, humiliated, tortured,
starved. ... six million Jews in Russia ... are being tortured so mercilessly."

1915 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), June 25th, 1915: "The annihilation of the six
million Jews now congregated in the Russian domains goes on in a well defined and
systematic manner.

1915 - Jacob de Hass, The Boston Sunday Globe, September 26th, 1915, page 46: Indeed the
only point that all warring elements are agreed upon is that at the end of the holocaust the

Jews and Palestine will be more closely related than at present.

1915 - New York Tribune, October 14th, 1915: "What the Turks are doing to Armenians is
child's play compared to what Russia is doing to six million Jews, her own subjects."

1915 - The Mercury, December 4th, 1915: " ... six millions of Russian and Polish Jews are to-
day the most pitiable victims of that race hatred and that race fanaticism which have been the
creed of Germany ..."

1916 - The Jews in the Eastern War Zone, The American Jewish Committee, 1916: " ...
where six million human beings guilty only of adherence to the Jewish faith are compelled to
live out their lives in squalor and misery, in constant terror of massacre ... estimated at six
million or more ... of these six million people ... a kind of prison with six million inmates ...
The persons most affected, the six million Jews of Russia ... The Jews are loyal and brave,
and it is most inadvisable to pursue a policy which might convert six million subjects into
enemies. ... the six million Jews of Russia still continued ... nearly three of the six million ..."

1916 - Oakland Tribune (CA), January 26th, 1916, page 1 (FRONT PAGE ADVERT 2
DAYS RUNNING): "The President of the United States— 6,000,000 Starving, Homeless,
People — and January 27th Why should the President, by proclamation to the people of the
nation, fix upon january 27th as the day for contributing towards the relief of over six million
Jews located in the Far Eastern War Zone?"

1916 - North Devon Journal, March 9th, 1916, page 7: "In Poland, in Southern and Western
Russia, six million Jews resided when the War broke out. They lived there in the pale of
settlement, in poverty, and were terribly overcrowded."

Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of
starvation. ... These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity
for the bare necessities of life. The Object: $35,000,000 for 6,000,000 LIVES"

1919 - Lebanon Daily News (PA), November 11th, 1919, page 2: "DISEASE AND
STARVATION IN POLAND Lieut. Wright Tells of Half Starved People Clad in Rags
BREAD OUT OF LEAVES Says 6,000,000 Face Death This Winter Unless Given
Immediate Relief ... 6,000,000 Face Death ... Six million Jews in eastern Europe face death
during the coming winter,"

1919 - Felix M. Warburg, New York Times, November 12th, 1919: "The Jews were the worst
sufferers in the war. The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back
of European Jewry and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and
disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth."

1919 - Gouvernur Free Press, November 12th, 1919: "Six Million Men and Women Are
Dying... Won't You Help Them? ... From across the sea six million men and women call to us
for help ... in six million human beings ... In this catastrophe, when six million human beings
are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate ... Six million men and
women are dying ... Six million men and women are dying ... Because of this war for
Democracy six million Jewish men and women are starving across the seas ... Six million
men and women of the race that helped do the greatest of the world's work are falling into the
grave! ... six million famished men and women now turn mute eyes of appeal ..."

1919 - Chester Times (PA), November 28th, 1919, page 15: "There are 6,000,000 Jews in
Eastern Europe whom the war has left dependent upon us for aid."

1919 - Ironwood News Record (MI), December 6th, 1919, page 9: "For First Time in History
of Race, Jews Are Asking Others For Help. ... They are doing it because six million Jews in
eastern and central Europe are actually in need of food at this moment. ... The problem of
6,000,000 starving men, women and little children ought to be the problem of all humanity."

1919 - Lima News (OH), December 24th, 1919, page 3: "Today Six Million Jews Are Facing
the Darkest Days Ever Known In the History of the Race."

1919 - The Toledo News-Bee, December 27th, 1919: "Six Million Human Beings Are
Suffering the Tortures of Disease, Hunger and Death ... American Jewish Relief Committee"

1920 - Van Wert Daily Bulletin (OH), January 5, 1920, page 3: "... Jewish relief work in
Europe and Asia. There are six million Jews in the two continents who because of the war
have been made destitute."

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History isn't always what really happened, it's what the victors say it is :(