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11-15-15, 04:00 AM
James NoMiddle

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

You are a victim of Patriot Mythology.

Yes, I feel the biggest hurdle for me in learning via use of the internet has been the vast amount of misinformation that comes with any small bits of true knowledge. The second is knowing where to find a starting point, and then following an organized path without getting side tracked.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

What you call "in commerce" is that you are assumed to be endorsing private credit from the Fed. If you begin redeeming lawful money today for example you can keep your rights in the future, starting now.

I've began reading into some of that here, as it appears to be the basis of the forum. Like previously stated, though, I didn't really have a starting point on how to ensure my rights would be kept, but now I know where to take my first steps.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

So with that suggestion said, I would get into the state constitution and find out about officers and judicial officers - where they file oaths of office. Go there and get certified copies or certificate of fact to the contrary - that no oath is to be found with that clerk.

If the oath of office on the DA and the Judge are in order then simply hold them both to the law. You get your day in court. If they disobey the law, great! You can use that to convince them, in business to dismiss or give you a real sweet deal and get rid of you. If they have no oaths of office or these oaths are contrary to state law then you can probably abate and they might appear to be ignoring you but at the last minute the same thing; dismissal or a sweet slap on the wrist.

This is where my inexperience and ignorance will surely show:
Is it pretty much certain that the clerk won't have a sworn oath, and if this is the case, how does that benefit me strategically?
When you say "disobey the law," are you referring to the common law as opposed to them conducting things in a maritime/admiralty setting?
What would be some signs that the oath they took is contrary to state law, significant enough that it would allow me to abate?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

The way you are going about this sounds like if you tagged a child cyclist his parents might be stuck with about $12,000 in medical bills. You probably can't keep a good job and such with no SSN etc. (me making rude presumptions). In Colorado you can go without insurance by having $30K in escrow or whatever. The $12K would come out of that account and you would need to replace it pretty quick or go get insurance.

I am walking you through responsibility.

The lack of insurance was due to the lack of registration, and my not being able to find a way to have the former without the latter. I did see similar methods to the escrow account you mentioned, but I wasn't able to find exactly how they worked. I agree keeping insurance on the car is in everyone's best interest.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

If you sign your new driver license "James." with a period behind it then when you present it you say, I am not identifying myself with this card, my name is James, like you see how I have signed it. Keep the card in the glove box and tell the officer you are just showing the card to prove competency so he knows roadside you have an active valid insurance policy. Transfer the car into your true name, if possible but use a Redeemed Lawful Money stamp from now on with your signature and whenever you are feeling compelled to sign something on a digital pad write, "Lawful Money." Just like that - no scribbling, no cursive.

The bolded was the basis of the thread I've been reading through, but it seemed that everyone already knew the background on this strategy so it wasn't elaborated on, whereas I'm still clueless. Would the officer not be able to make any positive identification simply because I've stated this, and if so, what is the advantage here? Could I not be issued a ticket/citation due to the officer not "knowing" who I am? Could they still not demand an identification of some sort if they wanted to, without repercussions on my end?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Get the stamp from Tim at Quality Rubber Stamp (719) 635-0943:

Attachment 3203

This non-endorsement removes you from the Federal Reserve districts - extraterritorial jurisdictions like METRO organization. That will sink in later.

Are Federal Reserve districts different than, say, the "Federal Zone" as a jurisdiction that one is [this may be misinformation I've picked up] assumed under if they have an address bearing a zipcode for example? There seems to be so much territorial overlay (the x,y,z coordinate analogy I've read on the board) and I'm still trying to figure out all the 'players.'

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Go get the driver license signed "James." - large as you can on the pad. Go get insured for the car, and get the Title transferred to you - to James if you can. I signed a special affidavit - ONE IN THE SAME PERSON. It had my FIRST MIDDLE name with FIRST MIDDLE LAST legal full name. This is key. While signing for the Title transfer use the stamp and when they want to know how much you paid for the car tell them that is "Private". This way the property tax will be $0. You will still pay bridges and other roadway taxes but then again you will be using the bridges and roadways so...

Go get your car.

Go to the arraignment and beg for forgiveness. Show them all the papers and let them know that you are responsible and your days as a patriot nutjob are behind you. They might be so happy as to let you walk away - charges dropped.

I shall hope for the best and prepare for the worst I suppose.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Lack of a plate or US DOT # on a car is akin to lack of a flag on a ship at sea--pirate status presumed. Roads are treated as 'rivers' and the term 'road' it is suggested originally was used to describe a river used heavily for commercial purposes.

I see. It seems like allegiance to a flag is then mandatory, and being independent on the seas without feasibility?

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Originally Posted by allodial

Titles and such are likely only issue to 'residents'. The term 'personal conveyance' is not synymous with 'private automobile'. Law dictionaries are extremely handy. Once you titled it, you placed the owner and the property "in this State" and likely subscribed to a whole kit of rules and regulations all at the same time.

I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?

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Originally Posted by allodial

How can pixels on a screen be you?

I agree, but I fear that this would be a loophole that a court would not recognize in my favor.

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Originally Posted by allodial

If you notified them that you'd be reserving your rights then you could conceivably notify them of that. But there are things that preceeded that night that you didn't take care of. I wouldn't take an adverse stance towards the cops. Instead, consider the paper trail you created or failed to create to help swing things in your favor.

The paper trail has being weighing on my mind just as much as the court date, as it will still loom even as court passes. As mentioned above, I'm still trying to figure out how to fix all of that. I am admittedly hesitant as I fear that a misstep in proper 'order of operations' could leave me in a 'no man's land' so to speak, where I can't move forward or backward legally.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Some caution against taking action when lacking wisdom. Knowing/deciding who you are is most fundamental. Anyways its worth figuring out:

1. Are Certificates of Title ever issued to non-residents?
2. Are State ID cards or State driver's licenses ever issued to non-resident?
3. What does 'surety' mean?
4. What is an 'adhesion contract'?
5. What is the difference between a police officer, a conservator of the peace and a peace officer?
6. What is the difference between policy enforcement and law enforcement?
7. What is the difference between a municipal corporation, a city and a county?
8. What is the difference between residential, commercial and private property?

I will be sure to look over all of these points in order to strengthen my overall comprehension on the topics discussed throughout the forum.

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Originally Posted by allodial

They presume James paid for everything with FRNs and has willingly pledged all of his assets to back commercial investments of the FRB and Lehman Brothers, etc.

How many 'degrees of separation' does payment with FRNs extend? For example, when I titled the car it was "gifted," but at the same time I'm sure the original owner paid in FRNs. If a merchant buys its goods in FRNs, and I then use to lawful money to acquire the product from them, is the item still pledged back in any way?

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Originally Posted by ag maniac

Well James....seems you might have missed your calling......60 miles west --> Bird-in-Hand, Paradise, or Intercourse, Pennsylvania.....take your pick ;)

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I've often wondering about the full details of the relationship between the State and the Amish communities, in regards to jurisdiction and law. Maybe when I get things all in order I could find peace in a simpler way of life; who knows?
11-15-15, 08:37 AM
allodial
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I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?

Did you tell them you were a resident? Did you tell them that you ceased to be a resident? Do know what it means to hold office in the State? To hold the office of resident? The state code concerning trusts, fiduciary duties should cover quite a bit. As far as they are concerned, the State ID and the birth certificates they issue are their property? If you are holding them does that make "you" a trustee?

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Originally Posted by James NoMiddle

I see. It seems like allegiance to a flag is then mandatory, and being independent on the seas without feasibility?

Think: friend vs. foe identification in wartime.

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Originally Posted by James NoMiddle

Yes, I feel the biggest hurdle for me in learning via use of the internet has been the vast amount of misinformation that comes with any small bits of true knowledge. The second is knowing where to find a starting point, and then following an organized path without getting side tracked.

Consider studying law rather than studying rumors? At the least: [1] I would acquire Bouvier's and Blacks' law dictionaries (the English spoken in courts and the English spoken on the streets aren't the same). [2A] I would study contract law (bills of exchange, promissory notes, money, bonds, suretyship all related to contract law) making a point to pay attention to requirements for formation of contracts and to the remedies/recourse associated with contracts. [2B] I would also read about torts and personal injury law. [3A] I would study information that adequately informs as to the nature and architecture of "United States Government" and a given State or County or Local government--political science books, American history books, etc.--what does it mean to be a 'citizen' or a 'resident' or an 'officer'; [3B] I'd read over a treatise on Evidence--all mail and papers you have in your home are 'evidence'. [3C] I would find a lightweight treatise on bills of exchange and promissory notes and study it. After an introductory, I would study the matter deeply using an in-depth treatise. Bills of exchange, promissory notes and money fall under contract law. [4] state/federal rules of civil procedure as to courts.

One might pay attention to: the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, "your" original state constitution, your state's post-1862 constitutions, Jay's Treaty, the Treaty of Paris of 1783(?), the Declaration of Independence, the British North America Act (Canada Act), the Judiciary Act of 1798.

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11-15-15, 09:26 PM
xparte

Uncle George explains to letterman the vacant office oath . THIS generic Garbage is a collection of words Cops Judges and municipal hit men say this shit and now they have AUTHORITY over you But its a legal term you when ,Me its lawfully sworn or fully sworn CCO CEO answer If elected lets see your Oath vacant legal office and position.[/url]https://youtu.be/JHGqHWCMEUw
11-16-15, 03:08 AM
pumpkin

I don't give legal advice, but this is what I do. First of all never argue with a cop. A few jobs attract psychopaths, and cops and politicians are among those jobs. The cop has a gun, a badge and an ego. If you want to cause him problems, only do it in court. 'Sorry officer, I don't have those things with me right now.' Be polite and get your ticket if need be. Then fight it all in court if you want. Most cops won't shoot you in court. Unless you caused an injury, you didn't do anything wrong.
11-16-15, 04:45 AM
allodial

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

I don't give legal advice, but this is what I do. First of all never argue with a cop. A few jobs attract psychopaths, and cops and politicians are among those jobs. The cop has a gun, a badge and an ego. If you want to cause him problems, only do it in court. 'Sorry officer, I don't have those things with me right now.' Be polite and get your ticket if need be. Then fight it all in court if you want. Most cops won't shoot you in court. Unless you caused an injury, you didn't do anything wrong.

Agreed. Any point, assertion or claim (as to rights or anything) I would make it in writing, before hand before I even got behind a wheel or even before setting foot outside as feasible. The driver's license or state ID itself is a bond ($200 or so in value from what I've gathered). In other words, if I have the right to drive/travel, the initial place to assert such right or make it known would not be on the roadside talking with a potential armed psychopath (of course many cops are good people--no doubt the job attracts some special folk along with all the decent folk). That is, if I had some exemption or right to drive non-commercially, what I would do is very simple and inexpensive: notify a attorney general of that right ahead of time (a few cents to buy a stamp, an envelop, a certificate of service, etc.). I might even file the certificate of service and a redacted copy of the notice or claim at the county clerk's office or in a misc. jacket at a USDC.

As for insurance: For my own sake and for the sake of others I would at the least file a $50K bond with the AG to cover potential liability. As a matter of fact, there are those who have gone as far as filing bonds even covering the prospect of accidentally breaking a window or their children failing to return library books. If you go about without bonding, from what I gather, you will will be perceived as a threat: like an elephant dancing in a china shop. You might be the most eloquent, skilled dancing elephant on the planet. If you do injury with your car without bond they will presume intent. They presume the lowest level--that is why they got rid of moral teachings in schools so that presumption of criminality could fly and they could profit from it. However, if one maintains financial responsibility, you remove yourself as a threat/enemy because you obviously would be out to buffer others against the adverse risk you might pose. It might also be worth nothing that its a difficult thing to regard insane or incompetent someone who is capable of recognizing their potential of doing harm unintentionally and who makes allotments for that (i.e. has coverage).
11-16-15, 09:19 PM
Ares

This may or may not help, just putting this out there as I've personally seen it used to have an automatic weapons charge completely dropped by the prosecuting attorney.

Karl Lentz discovered this process and others have used it to be extremely effective.

You would file a CLAIM ( not a criminal complaint but an actual CLAIM against the officer that pulled you over. Something like this:

'i: a man; claim bob jones interfere with my right to travel by continually stopping me and demanding i present him with identification; i require twenty five hundred dollars compensation; i require a court of record; i require a trial by jury; i, say here, and will verify in open court, all herein be true-john doe.'

You are essentially demanding an article 3 common law court (my understanding is they do not exist until you request a court of record. Juries rule these trials and there is no appeal, the juries decision is final.

You can also go after the prosecutor with this:

" i: a man; require the STATE OF TEXAS to show up and verify his/her claim against me so i may cross examine my accuser (the plaintiff must appear) and compensate him for any harm i may have caused. If this man/woman that goes by the name 'STATE OF TEXAS' cannot show up to verify his/her claim, i require this matter immediately discharged. It is my belief there is no man/woman named 'STATE OF TEXAS' who can verify this claim by uttering with his/her voice I've done wrong, therefore pressing it upon the record. It is also my belief, that someone is filing complaints (false claims) on behalf of this entity known as the 'STATE OF TEXAS' in an attempt to unjustly enrich themselves and the 'STATE OF TEXAS' (whoever those individuals may be). If this matter is not immediately discharged, I will require leave of court so I may properly bring an actual claim before the court to address this trespass against me in the proper venue-a court of record (trespass being: filing false claims, barratry, malicious prosecution, unjust enrichment, etc.), in which I will be requiring compensation for wasting my valuable time, money, and resources having to deal with this complaint, as I do not have time to answer complaints without compensation at this time. If there is an actual verifiable claim before the court, I will be more than happy to show up free of charge and address any proper and verifiable claim against me - John Doe."

Youtube has hundreds of hours of Karl Lentz discussing this process as well as others who have used it successfully.
11-17-15, 03:26 AM
David Merrill

Thank you for explaining James. I usually just 'hit and run' when I find myself (from the past) posting here. It is usually a bit annoying to come across somebody defending the thinking I have left behind.

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Originally Posted by James NoMiddle

Is it pretty much certain that the clerk won't have a sworn oath, and if this is the case, how does that benefit me strategically?

Try getting a Certificate of Fact on that alleged officer. It states that the clerk could not find an oath of office.

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The lack of insurance was due to the lack of registration, and my not being able to find a way to have the former without the latter.

There is a interlinking circuit between all three papers - the driver license shows competence; the insurance company only covers competent operators and you have to show insurance to get titled. It seems to me that the insurance carrier is the most eager for your business so start there. Pay for the insurance - get a proof of insurance card and maybe the rest will fall in place.

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Would the officer not be able to make any positive identification simply because I've stated this, and if so, what is the advantage here?

Here you are relying on training. The officer is trained to be able to testify on the witness stand. He is tuned in to hear how you identify yourself roadside during the Stop. If he is honest he or she will repeat what you said on the stand at trial.

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Are Federal Reserve districts different than, say, the "Federal Zone" as a jurisdiction that one is [this may be misinformation I've picked up] assumed under if they have an address bearing a zipcode for example? There seems to be so much territorial overlay (the x,y,z coordinate analogy I've read on the board) and I'm still trying to figure out all the 'players.'

I think of any extraterritorial jurisdiction as a district. The Municipal League (METRO organization) through Public Administration Services seems to have unified everything that is not actual territory. I might be wrong about that but the mental model works so far. United Nations combinatoric math.

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I had figured that titling it in the State would have its issues, but I had hoped they would retain more rights overall than a full registration.

Private is private. Try it. The guy got up and met with the supervisor but it went over well for me. Just say it is private.

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A big question for me here is, just how do I find out what I do exactly subscribe to when I sign a car title or any other form that doesn't have its full disclosures right there in front of me? Do I need to backtrack who issues what, and request that information? Would they even be compelled to give me such info?

You assure yourself common law by redeeming lawful money. If you are in the districts then all you get is a gesture so as to appease.

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The paper trail has being weighing on my mind just as much as the court date, as it will still loom even as court passes.

Know who you are by how you relate to God, in whatever form you project. I once tried to form God for myself around what was popular. It seems I quit being a victim of others thinking they had a better formation of who and what God is.

Your true name will help. I just responded to a suitor asking if I could give him some kind of lesson about being a court of record.

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13-1-111. Courts of record

(1) Each of the following courts shall have a seal and shall be a court of record:

(a) The supreme court;

(b) The district courts;

(c) The county courts;

(d) The juvenile court in the city and county of Denver;

(e) The probate court in the city and county of Denver;

(f) Any court established by law and expressly denominated a court of record;

(g) Repealed.

(h) The court of appeals.

HISTORY: Source: L. 1887: p. 212, § 412.Code 08: § 447.Code 21: § 449.Code 35: § 449.CRS 53: § 37-1-12. C.R.S. 1963: § 37-1-12.L. 64: p. 224, § 57.L. 72: p. 590, § 53.L. 77: (1)(h) added, p. 279, § 24, effective June 29.L. 79: IP(1) amended, p. 596, § 2, effective July 1.L. 85: (1)(g) repealed, p. 572, § 12, effective November 14, 1986.

ANNOTATION

The acts of a court of record are known by its records. Judicial records are not only necessary but indispensable to the administration of justice. The court judgments can be evidenced only by its records. The acts of a court of record are known by its records alone and cannot be established by parol testimony. The court speaks only through its records, and the judge speaks only through the court. Herren v. People, 147 Colo. 442, 363 P.2d 1044 (1961).

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I will be sure to look over all of these points in order to strengthen my overall comprehension on the topics discussed throughout the forum.

Thank you. If you are comfortable in your identity; through your relationship with God then you can be responsible in the eyes of the law. This is why I suspect they will be so pleased not to have another Patriot to fight with in the courtroom they might drop everything.

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How many 'degrees of separation' does payment with FRNs extend? For example, when I titled the car it was "gifted," but at the same time I'm sure the original owner paid in FRNs.

Pay with US notes, in the form of FRN's. FRN's only discharge debt. They look the same unless you put your Stamp on the back. Did you call Tim and order up a stamp?

My point is that Joy, Peace and Love are all emotions - a state of mind.

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I've often wondering about the full details of the relationship between the State and the Amish communities, in regards to jurisdiction and law. Maybe when I get things all in order I could find peace in a simpler way of life; who knows?

Work your fingers to the bone! What do you get? - - - Bony fingers!

I fantasize about that too. Marry a simple girl who is a total knockout and doesn't even know it; just because she doesn't watch TV... Work hard all day at a job that requires only dedication, not a college education... sleep all night for about six hours anyway. Get up and do it again; except of course on the Sabbath.
11-17-15, 05:07 AM
allodial

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Private is private. Try it. The guy got up and met with the supervisor but it went over well for me. Just say it is private.

Gets to the other thread about the filing documents at the county level. It is moreso what you confess. If you fill out (or correct) the registration in a manner confessing to being public/resident/in-state that is one thing. You can affix an affidavit or the like to the form to avoid misunderstandings as to why you are completing the form.

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I fantasize about that too. Marry a simple girl who is a total knockout and doesn't even know it; just because she doesn't watch TV... Work hard all day at a job that requires only dedication, not a college education... sleep all night for about six hours anyway. Get up and do it again; except of course on the Sabbath.

The cities like holding on to their priso--I mean residents.
11-18-15, 12:35 AM
xparte

Driving without INSURANCE $600.00 without DL $200.00 Registration $200.00 And on it goes who are the State going to collect from if Me refuse.With a SSN who else gets arrested but the NAME and can be physically held with this NAME for outstanding fines how else would a municipal government get revenue from the Federal Government's social securities fund a # is identity with no standing comes no speaks.
11-19-15, 02:20 AM
James NoMiddle

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Originally Posted by allodial

Did you tell them you were a resident? Did you tell them that you ceased to be a resident? Do know what it means to hold office in the State? To hold the office of resident? The state code concerning trusts, fiduciary duties should cover quite a bit. As far as they are concerned, the State ID and the birth certificates they issue are their property? If you are holding them does that make "you" a trustee?

I will be looking into all of that you mentioned, as it seems like it will put the pieces together better for me. Where would one find this information, though? Are there online resources? Would I look up a law library in the area? Finding a searchable source of law has been tough.

I also am still lost as to where to find the full release as to what one agrees to when signing certain government docs. For example, if I were to consider signing a DL, how would I be able to find out every last bit of what I'm agreeing to?

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Originally Posted by allodial

Think: friend vs. foe identification in wartime.

Very helpful analogy; one that I'll have to keep in the back of my mind in public.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Consider studying law rather than studying rumors?

The problem I've had with this goes back to the above, in that I'm not really sure where I can find comprehensive information that's actually "in the books" as fact. One of the first sources of information I found that seemed legit was the famguardian site (which your 1st link went to,) but its so extensive that before pouring through it all, I found myself looking elsewhere in search of supporting real world examples for what they suggest. Most of their examples of what to do reference law directly, but there isn't any backup that I found to prove their interpretations.

I'm glad to have found this site, as it often has the paperwork to back up the stories. Before this, though, I was relying on what others were suggesting were correct interpretations and remedies for the same subjects, with only a good pitch to back anything at best.

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Originally Posted by Ares

This may or may not help, just putting this out there as I've personally seen it used to have an automatic weapons charge completely dropped by the prosecuting attorney.

Karl Lentz discovered this process and others have used it to be extremely effective.

You would file a CLAIM ( not a criminal complaint but an actual CLAIM against the officer that pulled you over. Something like this:

Youtube has hundreds of hours of Karl Lentz discussing this process as well as others who have used it successfully.

I've listened to some Karl Lentz on youtube, but most of it is in no particular order so I've found it only marginally helpful as everything that I've come across is fragmented.

Where exactly would one even file such a claim, and when would it be presented?
What you've described sounds like something that would need to be put forth at arraignment, which often would happen before bail/release.
After that point, I'd imagine you'd already be considered under a non-common law jurisdiction and have no recourse to change venue, no?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Try getting a Certificate of Fact on that alleged officer. It states that the clerk could not find an oath of office.

I'm still a little lost as to how I use this information. What would happen if there is no oath?
Sorry if any of this is considered "common knowledge" on this board, as it seems like I'm always a few steps behind when I read the threads. I don't mind reading over anything that's already been discussed for the sake of not seeming like a hassle being cluseless novice. (Just felt like I needed to add that, as I feel a bit burdensome.)

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Here you are relying on training. The officer is trained to be able to testify on the witness stand. He is tuned in to hear how you identify yourself roadside during the Stop. If he is honest he or she will repeat what you said on the stand at trial.

Again I am lost as to how this would be utilized in my advantage. Would he then not be able to legally identify me as my ALL CAPS name, and therefore not be able to run that name, write tickets/file charges, or do anything else with the NAME?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

You assure yourself common law by redeeming lawful money. If you are in the districts then all you get is a gesture so as to appease.

I've seen that mentioned here, but is there no more action that need be taken other than going through the process of redeeming lawful money (and I imagine having that on record somewhere for the courts to see?)
I'm still combing the board to find the thread and/or posts that detail the full process as to how one goes about redeeming lawful money so that I can start myself.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Pay with US notes, in the form of FRN's. FRN's only discharge debt. They look the same unless you put your Stamp on the back. Did you call Tim and order up a stamp?

So after going through the demand process, the stamp is all that is left for the former FRN's to be considered US notes?

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