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Does anyone have any experience, research or opinions about structured water and devices that claim to structure water?
I came across this while researching alternatives to the current filter/softening system on our well water supply. I have done some reading and research about this and was curious if anyone else either uses this technique or has had experience with it.
http://www.naturalactionwater.com/
thanks.
Sound can be used. Spinning water in a circle before you drink it believe it or not passes it through ambient magnetic fields. I know people that unconsciously 'spin' their drinks all the time when they drink. Putting water in bottles that have magnets attached to them in a particular way is a lot cheaper. :)
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My research suggests that what one is dealing with pertains to "surface tension" as in "clustering" relates to surface tension.
How about a blender? Is that too much violent movement and noise to create structured water or is that the same as "spinning" it?Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
Here is an interview with a sceptic who installed a unit anyway and saw results...
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/un...LvpHH3Vy8MwHtQ
Blender should do. However, the blender might generate its own field. Putting magnets on pipes leading to your water heater or the like will affect the water. You dont really need to buy a $1000 system. Re "north pole" vs "south pole" might want to look into that. It might depend on what is desired.
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http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_7585842_di...treatment.htmlQuote:
Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls wrote about their experiments with magnetizing water in The Magnetic Blueprint of Life, published in 1979. They were the first scientists to discover that North pole magnetized water has a higher surface tension, and South pole water has a lower surface tension. North pole water strengthens the bonding (contracts) of the oxygen and hydrogen, and South pole water weakens the bonding (expands), if I recall correctly. Magnetic fields change water in other ways too, as revealed by Davis and Rawls.
There is/was a site that showed the results of lots of mineral deposits dropping out of a household water system simply from placing magnets against the pipes. If I recall correctly, the north poles faced in toward the water. However, if i recall correctly, it was necessary that the water be allowed to run for a while to allow the mineral deposits to flush out--the water had a color apparently for as long as it took the mineral deposits to flush out.
http://www.ener-tec.com/OurProductLi...4/Default.aspx
The lower the surface tension, the more 'fluid' and the less 'clumpy' the water is. Naysayers that I've come across like to imagine water to always be pure H2O when obviously the sea and rivers are loaded with minerals, chemical compounds, etc. If one can perceive that the "water" isn't just water, that its solution of ions, elements, etc. then the use of magnets should make perfect sense.
I use a fishtank aerator and a welder's magnet:
I blow ozone through the aerator and the water comes through the reverse osmosis filter. I photographed it outside while testing because it is ugly under sinks.
The aerator is held on the side of the blue cooler by suction cups.
The Van der Waal radius will drop up to 15º when devitalized by setting in pipes. Fresh out of a rain cloud or a bubbling spring though, the Van der Waal radius is 120º. So the water can form hex-rings and this is much more absorbent into cells.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Awesome system. I utilize a bubbler for making colloidal silver. Still water isn't substantially passing through magnetic fields thus the 'relaxation'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NhCPudcOec
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How do you measure the Van der Waal radius of your water?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
We get our water from a spring next to the cabin.
It gets pumped into a 100 gal holding tank, through a couple of sediment filters (140 & 5 microns). It flows by gravity into the cabin plumbing, which is mostly plastic and some copper pipe for the hot water.
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100 gallons lasts between 3 to 7 days around here.
I would like to know what our Van der Waal radius is.
Recently I began to add about 8 oz of baking soda to each tank fill, to mitigate possible radiation contamination from Fukushima fallout. This raised the ph of the water and made it more pleasant for showering.
I don't know about the radiation, I haven't taken the Geiger counter to it yet.
I think the idea of structured water is very nice, but I wonder how a little tubular plastic/metal/composite man-made device is supposed to make water like it's been flowing out of a mountain stream or other God-made structure?
It is an empirical equation of state which takes into account the finite size of molecules and the attractive forces between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treefarmer
Simply put - the Ideal Gas Law is PV=T; or PV=nrT. Pressure, Volume and Temperature. r is the Universal Gas Constant. Building on that though, the equation is suggestive of the Ideal Gas Law with two constants found by experimental data. I doubt forming the equation though is what you are after.
At the point in the vortex of the fishtank aerator the water is atomized and the ozone passes through as the gas, like ozone in lightning. As the lightning strikes and the electrical charge builds again, this is caused by the magnetic field of the earth. It does not seem like much to us but think about lightning. As the gaseous water moves through the field there is great electrical potential and moving in the field causes a tendency for current - lightning strikes. The water molecules are energized.
The welder's magnet is set with the north field to the aerator. If I lived in Australia though, I imagine I would reverse that.
OK, so how do you measure the Van der Waal radius?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
What is the measurement?
Is it measured in degrees?
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae206.cfmQuote:
Originally Posted by Treefarmer
http://futuretechtoday.net/ozone/ozoneStory.htm
The idea is to structure the water at every faucet including the outside hoses in order to gain the benefits of structured water throughout the whole house and outer grounds/gardens. I am not keen on spending that type of money either unless there is some merit to the idea and provable results. I am skeptical also about the ability of a 12 inch PVC tube to provide structured water for an entire house. I want to be familar and convinced of the science behind it first and then be able to find a way to get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
The claim is that the molecule clusters formed by structured water retain any toxins within it and never get absorbed into our cells. The "bad" gets eliminated and the "good" gets absorbed and used by our bodies.
It also claims to erase the bad "memory" of water since they claim water retains the "pattern" of the toxins or stresses it was subject to even after conventional filtration/purification removes the literal toxins and inpurities.
I am new to this concept so I will be trying to gather as much evidence behind the science of it first and then find a way to implement the process for my whole house.
Thanks to all for the input and interest already received.
Its important to comprehend that water sitting in pipes for a while might get 'devitalized'. If you want well-structured water at every point, you'd need to set up a structuring system at most every point or do some plumbing so that everything comes through a central structuring system. You can put magnets along water-hoses ya know.
Filtering water is different from structuring.
As much as water is used in the house, I doubt there is much "sitting in pipes" occurring. We could also be sure to run the water at all outlets on occasion to avoid that scenario. Since we are on well and septic, that will not cost anything and it may actually be beneficial if the idea of "entrainment" they propose is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
I do know that filtering is different from structuring and so far I am beginning to warm up to the structured water idea. More research and study is needed though before I am "all-in".
Interesting links, thank you; no Van der Waal radius mentioned though.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
I have a feeling we won't be measuring it any time soon, as it remains elusive.
I figure at the least...getting a head around 'soft water' vs 'hard water' and how that relates to 'water tension'. Another related topic... 'Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph
Also consider when blood stops moving vs when its moving...as in ..perhaps the heart keeps it moving as part of keeping the life going..as in perhaps the movement is a key part of life.Quote:
My Complete Encyclopedia of Science and Technology speaks only of Van der Waal equations. One would need the constants for water and that would be from my Handbook of Physics in storage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treefarmer
I think actually measuring the radius of water is done with an electron microscope like in the first post of mine.
Thank you David that's good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
Of course we don't have an electron microscope at the treefarm, so we will just have to keep guessing;)
That's a pretty picture btw, thank you for sharing.
You keep me thinking though. I wonder where the material I read on water is? My best guess is that Handbook of Physics in storage.
There are ways to test the validity of the claims made by Clayton Nolte and his Structured Water unit.
One way is to test the surface tension of the water pre-installation and post installation. The claim is that normal water has a surface tension of about 74 dynes/cm3 and the water coming from a source with the unit attached will be 43 dynes/cm3. According to the literature, our cells require the number to be below 46 dynes to cross the cell wall, hence better hydration with structured water. A Urotensiometer is an inexpensive and easy way to accurately test for surface tension in dynes. This company sells the unit for $155.
Another way is to test the brix value of plants, fruits, vegetables, etc. when using structured water for hydration. This experiment would have to be controlled so as to not let rain water skew the results. The propogation of seeds, either indoors or sheltered from the elements, could work using three methods of hydration: well/city water, rain water and structured water to determine the speed and size of growth and the brix reading of each sample. A Brix Refractomter will give a good indication of the nutritional value (sugar content) of each plant's leaves and/or fruit.
Results in:
The unit does not operate as it claims. I ordered the whole house unit which came with a portable unit for "free". The test results were dissapointing to say the least. I tested the water which ran through the portable unit several times and by several methods as per the instructions given me responding to my inquires regarding the failed test results. The water's surface tension never changed from the standard 74 dynes for tap or distilled water and the pH never became "neutral" as per the claims made by the company. I also tested rubbing alcohol and it read well below 40 dynes. The measuring and testing devices I used were accurate and my testing was thorough. I never bothered hooking up the house unit after these results.
I don't think they expected me to use a tensiometer to verify their claims. Nevertheless, I was given a full refund and I am out only the minimal cost to priority mail the package back. Not to bad for an experiment of such kind. I also have a couple of new gadgets to play with; the brix refractometer works well for testing my home grown fruit and vegetable nutrition density. It also comes in handy during wine making season as a grape sugar content tester.
I am saddened that this unit did not work as advertised but not surprised. I am really interested in getting some type of device to accomplish what this unit purported to do for water as I still believe in the idea and benefits of structured water.
Also, stirring water vigorously and spinning in a blender did not work either. Tests failed just as the unit did.
Your science and rules of evidence are admirable. Thank you.
I've got a Plocherkat water treatment system. http://www.plocher.de/englisch/produ...ls.php?pid=112
Tests are expensive, so I haven't except to test Ph. I've put nasty smelling well water on it and minutes later the smell was gone and it tasted fine.
Just putting this here so you can see another alternative. Peace, L
Interesting link... Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by osbogosley
Your welcome, I studied water when I remodeled my old hs. I took a chance on this and got dealer price until the dist. in Calif stopped his business. I never knew why, he didn't answer emails. There is a canadian outlet i've communicated with. The studies of the vinyards in France using Plocher products are interesting. I have some of the argri product to try and have grown much bigger flowers that usual. The hemp I've grown is nice too. Roland Plocher cleaned Lake Geneiva too.
One of the reasons I was willing to take a chance was because my wife and I also have an EPFX/SCIO. I had health problems with out of balance Ph resulting in rash. A treatment by the Rife Light helped and we investigated the EPFX that has Rife Tech along with many other "treatments". Natural all the way and lots of exercise are keeping me going good at 62.
Cheers
I have been using a Plocherkat whole house unit for about 4 yrs now and am very happy as to the results. Roland Plocher studied the frequencies that emenate from the rock in the Alps as the water is revitalized. The products are not available thru a U.S. source anymore. Canada has a distributor still. http://www.plocher.de/englisch/
water can be both an acid and a base for reactions. The oxygen in water is bonded by 2 hydrogens making it a electronic geometry of tetrahedral and molecular geometry of bent.
I built a water restoration device based on being able to understand the Van der Waal radii. But you may be correct as I have no way to measure that this makes water more absorbed into cell tissue or even that being more easily absorbed is of benefit to health.
I never bothered to implement my device. I buy into reality being mental so enjoying life and finding peace are the keys to health. I will of course live past 110-years of age but that is only by being willing to die at any time. Timing in life is crucial.
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