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The fellow is interesting - in that he proposes by surrender to the State that you might escape the ravages of the War of Rebellion (fiat). I still don't see it as functional though. This is all the way back to Bean's proposals of specie and being taken at the Taco Bell drivethru, if you recall.
The idea is to assign it its own value and redeem it (the instrument/coupon/remittance) at the Treasury under Remedy. The he throws up his hands and declares; Leave me alone. I like that sort of approach - but it is still post-1861; 1913 law. The Fed Act.
At the 9:00 Mark where I stopped (for now) he alludes to being a transciever, rather than the Strawman Redemptions transmission utility. Be a transciever utility.
I think trust structures only make sense when you understand the parameters and if the lecturer was making sense to the listeners it is only because they knew where he is coming from. Pre-1861 natural law with specie and substance are a tricky thing to acquire without Freeman Standoffs and Government Shutdowns like I say on my other thread.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Right of self determination and intent though is in line with recent discussion with Darkcrusade about The First Constitutions, the justification of surrender is not for legal construct, but as the signers did making choice to do it all for the glory of God. This will come clearer when you listen to the rest of that video.
I guess you could say that as they do in the UK calling out " God save the Queen! " the founders intent here was " God save the Republic!".
Click here and watch for a moment.
To me, the video is highly subjective interpretation but I hear the same doctrine from the Founder of that same Roman Welfare State.
Paul spent the last five years of his life, living on the Roman dole. He actually invented a welfare system with his treason against Israel - having Roman citizenship papers and running to Felix for refuge when the Sanhedrin convicted and condemned him for it. Paul ran to the Roman Welfare State and that is where he was living in Rome, under a casual house arrest and allowed visitors and mail service through them so that the New Covenant of the Bible exists around that entire doctrine. Paul wrote what is the basis for Christianity from that position - Roman Welfare State.Quote:
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
"Surrender everything to the State".
From that position as citizen you then have the choice of elastic currency or fiat that is fully securitized by obligations of the United States - inelastic currency.
You cannot operate outside the scope of the post-1861 fiat. If you try to legally you will get taken every time you present gold or silver at face value. The cashier will pull out a $20 FRN and buy up your precious metal coin in a heartbeat, if he sees what has just happened.Quote:
Pro 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
In other words that man in the video describes becoming a transceiver utility. A conduit. I call it a conveyance utility below - reflected in that a wire can conduct current in either direction. I doubt I will be picking it up and seeing more of it. I was in that paradigm of Christendom for a long while and am not interested in looking back:
He is not talking about adhering to some doctrine of Christeandom, this is part of a larger discussion where there is separation, returning back to Ceasar back all his legal entrapments (UCC 1-201[24] - "Money" means a medium of exchange authorized or adopted by a domestic or foreign government and includes a monetary unit of account established by an intergovernmental organization or by agreement between two or more nations. ) and accepting the original inheritance given:Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:9 - Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Whose law? Hosea 4:6 explains it some:
" seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. "
So we not do it for the Glory of Rome ourselves, but to the glory of God, albeit this is what Citizens might say " God save the Republic ". We as heirs to the living God would more then likely say " God Save the Providence ".
Now, notice the letter of Paul written to the Galatians in chapter four (4), verses one (1) and two (2). “Now I say, that the Heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; but is under TUTORS and governors until the time appointed of the father…”
Later in that same chapter when we accept the inheritance we grow up to be a Son:
Galatians 4:7 - Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Finally the return to nature (natural law) is spelled out for us:
Galatians 4:8 - Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
When we keep ourselves under governors and tutors, we remain in the backsliden form of Israel.
Galatians 4:16 - For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer: now the LORD will feed them as a lamb in a large place.
Now our source of Authority comes from the same place as their ultimate authority, so how is it they rule over us, what have we done?
So you can probably see from this interpretation that when one accepts the law under Governors and Tutors, they remain in the backsliden Israel. aka even the suitors clause.
Our local group among others connected say it is time to correct the mistake, return back to natural law, the law of God and the inheritance originally given.
Do you not think it tyranny that they have taken from this gift to create something and they try to sell it back to us which so far they have done successfully?
It would be wise not to accept strange fellows in basements with whiteboards when I have much more reliable custodians available.Quote:
...but is under TUTORS and governors until the time appointed of the father…”
Well of course, follow up and due diligence in everything, these things are just breadcrumbs of the actual journey.
Natural Law is classified as private law by the Romans ....
Can you show me where you are getting this information from?Quote:
Originally Posted by shikamaru
Is not the relationship you have with your creator a private one?
Its called Google Books ...Quote:
Originally Posted by motla68
The book is titled "A Manual of Roman Law" by Daniel Chambier (1893).
Do note on page 2 that Natural Law is classed as Private Law according to the Romans ...
Page 3 reiterates the above with a chart.
So is Public Law, see pages 11 and 12 of that same document. Also are you aware that Rome was a Republic?Quote:
Originally Posted by shikamaru
With respect to the Romans' division of law, public law is law of government and separate from its divisions of private law.Quote:
Originally Posted by motla68
In another sense, public law is private law to those who are its members.
Rome ended up a republic, but it began as a monarchy. It was a republic for about 500 years.
A republic is simply a form of government where the head of government is not a monarch.
You are aware that a republic is Latin "res publica" or thing public ???
Artificial. As opposed to "natural", means created or produced by man. California Casualty Indemnity Exchange v. Industrial Accident Commission of California, 13 Cal.2d 529, 90 P.2d 289 Created by art, or by law; existing only by force of...[human] law. Humanly contrived. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 113
"A mature adult is supposed to know the difference between the real world and the games people play, between the natural and the artificial. He or she is supposed to be able to keep such things in perspective." ~ Frank van Dun, Ph.D., Dr.Jur. - Senior lecturer Philosophy of Law.
″Natural law is that body of rules which Man is able to discover by the use of his reason.″ ~ Hugo Grotius
What one creates, one controls, and since Natural Persons, i.e. men and women, are not "formed by human laws", they are therefore, not subject to "human laws". It is obvious, (to me at least), that I did not form myself, just as governments did not form themselves, therefore neither or us may create "our own law", we are both subject to the law of our creator. So, it took no stretch of the imagination to realize that if Natural Persons are formed by nature then they are subject to the Law of Nature, the Natural Law
"A philosopher can choose to disbelieve in Newton's laws, but this will not enable him to fly. He can disbelieve in natural law, but political and social institutions built on false law will fail, just as a bridge built on false physical law will fall..." http://jim.com/rights.html
“If the Coal Age promised anything thrilling to the kind of mind which thrives on managing the behavior of others, that promise would best be realized by placing control of everything important—food, clothing, shelter, recreation, the tools of war—in relatively few hands, creating a new race of benevolent, godlike managers, not for their own good but the good of all. Plato had called such benevolent despots "guardians."” http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm
"Our legislators are not sufficiently apprized of the rightful limits of their power; that their true office is to declare and enforce only our natural rights . . . and to take none of them from us. No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another; and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him . . . and the idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Natural Rights clause of the New Hampshire Constitution.
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/organic/1784-nhr.htm
[Art.] II. [Natural Rights.] All men* have certain natural, essential, and inherent rights - among which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting, property; and, in a word, of seeking and obtaining happiness.
*It is important to note that, all "men" [humans] have natural rights, not all "persons" or "citizens". Governments give "citizens" civil rights and/or political rights; Natural Rights are "inherent rights".
In The New History of America, the case of Cruden v. Neale, where the court states a principle of natural law so clear that it cannot be twisted by any lawyer, that man is only bound by the laws of nature. Here is what the court stated:
"...That the majority shall prevail is a rule posterior to the formation of government, and results from it. IT IS NOT A RULE BINDING UPON MANKIND IN THEIR NATURAL STATE. THERE, EVERY MAN IS INDEPENDENT OF ALL LAWS, EXCEPT THOSE PRESCRIBED BY NATURE.. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent." ~ CRUDEN v. NEALE, 2 N.C. 338 (1796) 2 S.E. 70 Excerpted from an article entitled HOW "CITIZENS" ARE TRANSFORMED INTO "PERSONS" found HERE>
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...tToPersons.htm
In a true[1] republic “...the rule of law limits the authority of men exercising governmental power.”
Quod prius est verius est; et quod prius est tempore potius est jure. What is first is truest; and what comes first in time, is best in law. Co. Litt. 347. ~ Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary.
Therefore, the Supreme Law of the Land is the Law of Nature, the Natural Law of Man.
NATURAL LAW. The rule and dictate of right reason, showing the moral deformity or moral necessity there is in any act, according to a reasonable nature. Tayl. Civil Law, 99. ~ A Dictionary of the Law (Black's 1st c.1891), page 801
Law of nature, is a rule of conduct arising out of the natural relations of human beings established by the Creator, and existing prior to any positive precept. Thus it is a law of nature, that one man should not injure another, and murder and fraud would be crimes, independent of any prohibition from a supreme power. ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.
This law of nature, being coeval[2] with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original. ~ 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries at 41
The law of nature is superior in obligation to any other. It is binding in all countries and at all times. No human laws are valid if opposed to this, and all which are binding derive their authority either directly or indirectly from it. ~ Institutes of American Law by John Bouvier, 1851, Part I, Title II, No. 9
[The natural] law is the paramount law, and the same law, over all the world, at all times, and for all peoples; and will be the same paramount and only law, at all times, and for all peoples, so long as man shall live upon the earth. ~ Natural Law; or the Science of Justice by Lysander Spooner
"...it is everyone's right and duty to forcibly uphold natural law..." ~ Natural Law and Natural Rights by James A. Donald
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[1] REPUB'LIC, n. [L. respublica; res and publica; public affairs.] 1. A commonwealth...
COMMONWEALTH, n. 1. ...A commonwealth is properly a free state...
[2] COEVAL, a. Of the same age; beginning to exist at the same time; of equal age; usually and properly followed by with. ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
Liberty. Freedom from all restraints except such as are justly imposed by law. Freedom from restraint, under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of this same RIGHT by others; freedom regulated by law. The absence of arbitrary restraint, not immunity from reasonable regulations and prohibitions imposed in the interests of community. Brazo v. Connecticut Real Estate Commission, 177 Conn. 515, 418 A.2d 883, 890. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, (c.1991), page 918
What "law" might that above modern definition be referring to? Well, that depends on what jurisdiction[1] one has consented to be under. If one does not consent to "submit himself to the dominion of a man-made government for the promotion of his general welfare and the protection of his individual rights" then he is a "man", (as opposed to a "person", i.e. a "juristic personality")[2], and is governed by the "law of nature", and he therefore has "natural liberty".
Natural liberty. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless [except] by the LAW OF NATURE. The RIGHT which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the LAW OF NATURE, and so as not to interfere with an equal exercise of the same RIGHTS by other men. Burlamaqui, c. 3, @ 15; 1 Bl. Comm. 125. ~ A Dictionary of the Law (Black's 1st c.1891), page 716
This is the same definition, word-for-word, found in Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991) on page 918. Imagine that, NO CHANGE IN DEFINITION IN ONE HUNDRED YEARS.
Because natural liberty is a natural right, a "just claim" that each of us has, each of us has the prerogative, individually, to exchange it for civil liberty, (which, of course, is a civil right, restrained and controlled by "human laws"), if we so choose.
Civil liberty. The liberty of a member of a society, being a man's natural liberty, so far restrained by HUMAN LAWS (and no further) as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public [the state]. 1 Bl.Comm.125. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 918
Allow me to take that out of context so that it may be seen more clearly, "The liberty of a member...restrained by HUMAN LAWS.
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[1] "Jurisdiction, in its most general sense, is the power to make, declare or apply the law..." ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
The default jurisdiction, if one chooses not to consent to a man-made jurisdiction, is the "law of nature". This so because, "[The natural] law is the paramount law, and the same law, over all the world, at all times, and for all peoples; and will be the same paramount and only law, at all times, and for all peoples, so long as man shall live upon the earth." ~ Natural Law; or the Science of Justice by Lysander Spooner
[2] Homo vocabulum est naturae; persona juris civilis--Man is a term of nature; person of civil law. Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1914), page 2136
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Thank you for that reminder:
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Quote:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
To keep the multiple contexts straight, keep in mind also that the term 'natural law' has, of course, been tortuously manipulated by man to suit various aims and interests.
And thank you for that reminder too.
To me we simply interpret the Laws of Nature and Nature's God correctly. Paul taught the Seven Noachide Laws in Asia Minor. That is natural religion.
It might be questionable as to whether natural persons are or can be a special kind of legal entity.