Billing information

I just received my RFID Experimenter's Kit from Edmund Scientifics. Interestingly, they also sent a bill for the same amount payable in 30 days. ES would not have sent the item on credit to begin with so I began to think imaginatively about this.

They want me to contest the bill, thus validating the Billing Information. I do not live at the address they sent the bill and the item to. I have no billing information, just a shipping address. They can call the shipping address the billing address for all I care; however I will not validate the information for them.

Bills of Indictment are founded upon Information.

Ergo;


Billing Information.

You might read this into an ongoing saga about Debit Cards and PayPal Loses Faith. Edmund Scientifics, having no faith in the US dollars I sent by Money Order is hoping to connect me to the replacement for gold in the exchange rate (1976) - SDRs - hoping for me to endorse private credit from the Fed, even though the transaction was already paid for completely for them to ship me my product.

Good food for discussion I hope. I just bought a $150 Gift Card that was activated at the counter, and hope to add that to my PayPal Account to free up the $23.80 and buy my stainless steel wallet (RFID Proof) from eBay...

But that may be another thread yet!



Regards,

David Merrill.

If I'm comprehending this correctly....

You paid for the item via money order, and ES sent you the item, but then also sent you a bill for the amount that you already paid???

So on the one hand, ES acknowledges your payment in the fact that they sent you the item, but on the other hand does not acknowledge payment in the fact that they sent you a bill?

Thank you for opening my eyes about that Rock!

I suppose I was writing because it is confusing. I felt that it meant they wanted Billing Information on me. In that my indictment was the payment. You seem to be saying the same thing but much more succinctly - ES has no confidence in the cash for which I paid for the Safeway Money Order - not without my confidence in the Fed.

So they re-bill. A Return of the Bill of Indictment.

What I did was to tear the strip off one end, to verify it was a bill by looking into the folded paper/envelope form. Then I wrote Return to Sender/Not Residing Here.

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Even if it is just a clerical mistake, it is very annoying, the potential of a billing cycle when I am so careful to avoid billing by securing purchases in cash - through debit cards and money orders.

I wonder....

Would the world have made all of the wonderful technological advances absent elastic currency that can be expanded to fund everything in the entire universe?

Good question.

I will endeavor to stay the thwarting party with a stainless steel wallet:

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However, I am a little befuddled by a warning sticker I found in it.

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I let it soak a while in hot soapy water and scrubbed it thoroughly with a fingernail brush! I am a little befuddled yet though; what about stainless steel causes cancer? Do I have to carry it in California to get cancer from my wallet?

Is it the stress when it is empty that causes cancer?

Maybe I should have started a thread:

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I really should have known. One time while carrying on a Bluetooth earpiece conversation I wrapped my phone in aluminum foil and did not lose the call!

I derailed my own thread!

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Interestingly, this article evades the obvious objective of the new law.

Garage/Yard Sales.

The real objective, I believe is to gain as much personal information as possible. Can you imagine a strict reading where a property holder selling his things on the front yard cannot accept cash in payment?

Three calls later. T-Mobile kept trying to make it clear they would be moving me to a Post-Pay plan, where I would have their credit shoved down my throat. Flex-Pay for years now has allowed me to pay in advance. The last call I took the monolog and it went something like:


I don't care what you call it. If you have to change my Plan that is what you have to do. I am going to continue paying in advance so you cannot construe me as to be applying for credit. The surety is on the bills I give to the T-Mobile sales office in the signature bonds of the Secretary and US Treasurer. That is good money and I am giving it to T-Mobile in advance to you do not get to pretend that just because you will let me slide for thirty days before you shut down my phone, that I requested any credit from T-Mobile. You tell me that nothing has changed - nothing at all and that is good. I don't want you to shut down my phone service just because I am not requesting credit from T-Mobile with this new Plan you are forcing on me! Do you understand?

He agreed and we concluded the call politely.

The other day I got a text:

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FREE T=MOBILE MSG: You are eligible to save $4.99/month by removing the control fee on your FlexPay plan when you switch to one of our current plans. Call 611.

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It would appear without me demanding or even consenting they will not take me off the FlexPay plan. The first call, when they were threatening to shut down my phone service, I reluctantly consented but they transferred me. So I was talking to a fellow who pretended he knew nothing about all the protests with the girl before him. So we went through Setup and then finally he wanted my SSN. I told him I do not have one and he said no problem. I said, Great! I asked him if he was going to shut down my phone he said No. So I hung up on him.

I am confirming that they do not get to demand billing information until I actively seek credit.

Additionally, when inquiring about cell phone downloading about law enforcement officials, an interesting subject in itself I noted that the FlexPay texts stay on record for two years. The PostPay plan keeps track of my texts for five years. I will try finding that article in my browser History...


The detailed reports about the various cell phone companies was here I believe. Maybe it was one of these links?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Good question.

I will endeavor to stay the thwarting party with a stainless steel wallet:

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However, I am a little befuddled by a warning sticker I found in it.

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I let it soak a while in hot soapy water and scrubbed it thoroughly with a fingernail brush! I am a little befuddled yet though; what about stainless steel causes cancer? Do I have to carry it in California to get cancer from my wallet?

Is it the stress when it is empty that causes cancer?

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Wow, guess you will have to try cast iron next time. ;-)

Perhaps its more of a matter of faith in productivity on the public side vs faith in the private side as the source?

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Originally Posted by allodial

Perhaps its more of a matter of faith in productivity on the public side vs faith in the private side as the source?

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That makes sense to me but maybe for the wrong reasons.

T-Mobile has been calling again.

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On the microcosm though I got two more calls recently regarding changing my cell phone plan. T-Mobile has been badgering me to change from Flex-Pay to Post-Pay. I have been round and round because as soon as I request credit – post payments – they want private information from me like SSN. Well this has not been going well except for that months now, my R4C’s have left T-Mobile where they started, me with my Flex-Pay account. A very persistent saleslady was badgering me again and we were getting all set up for me to be transferred to the Post-Pay specialist and I asked if they would want my SSN? Yes. I don’t have one! This time; guess what? They have brand new Pre-Pay/no questions asked plans. For less money I get unlimited everything!



Next they wrangled me into the agreement before informing me I would get a text, my phone would be shut down and I would have to pay $50 to get my phone shut back on. I informed the specialist that it would be in cash – Fine. I was figuring for having to show ID and give all the credit information and update my new Pre-Pay account. I was dreading that. I do not want my phone shut off or to deal with a check refund since my name is Bogus FAMILY to T-Mobile. So I braced myself for a big principle brawl and went in with my $50 and handed it over. Well the sales tech put it on my still-extant Flex-Pay account and my phone still did not work. Then he figured it out from me showing him the Text and did a PostVoid transaction and required a signature.

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I gave up contract phones many years ago, they will nickel and dime you to death on gotcha fees. Seen a recent commercial on television is passing of a mobile pre-paid commercial, someone gets locked in a jail cell and the jailor says will see you n 2 years. Sounds about right.
Started with trackfone, went to straight talk, by the way both of them using the Verizon Network, recently got my son one for page plus communications, has not been long enough yet to give any kind of review yet though on that one. Straight talk just came out with a android phone, have yet to give it a test run, you can only use it on the unlimited plan or above though.
Most of these prepaid services now have extended plans, 3 months, 6 months or 1 year so you do not have to go fill up every month.

It is worth converting over to stay out of the debtor system for phone service anyway.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

T-Mobile has been calling again...

I have been round and round because as soon as I request credit – post payments – they want private information from me like SSN. Well this has not been going well except for that months now, my R4C’s have left T-Mobile where they started, me with my Flex-Pay account. A very persistent saleslady was badgering me again and we were getting all set up for me to be transferred to the Post-Pay specialist and I asked if they would want my SSN? Yes. I don’t have one!

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David,
Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

OR

Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?

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Originally Posted by Life's-a-Psyop

David,
Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

OR

Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?

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I do not have a Social Security Number.

Think about it.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

I do not have a Social Security Number.

Think about it.

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:) So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:

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ITS HARDER FOR US IF YOU PREPAY!

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She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?

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:) So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:



She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?

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You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for, all you can do is exchange one for the other. The states convert your labor hours to debt entries so you can go exchange for credit entries.
You go exchange for goods and services the receipt is the credit, it is backed by substance.. think about it. A receipt then can becomes true lawful money and can be used in credit swapping.
Bankers and brokers call this a Credit Default swap, IRS also has a procedure called Notional Principal Contracts. Prepay then becomes a remarkable tool to learn new tricks with.

Yep. Like that signature of mine above. Lawful Money. If they were giving me credit then they would say, Hey! Give us your legal name! Do you expect us to trust some clown who signs his name Lawful Money?

Allodial;

I am following what you are saying but what is obvious to me is that they owe you an office space of your selection for the entire year ahead. Why that makes it difficult for them, that is a little less obvious to me.

But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"

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But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"

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That is probably why I made up a person.

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Originally Posted by motla68

.....Trustee De Son Tort....

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Au contrare, as an Heir come-of-age the "trustee/executor de son tort" term is inapplicable. The occupying power and the attorney of the State would be in that position for meddling with my stuff. The occupying power gets its imperium from *ahem* somewhere--they don't just have magical, automatic, fairy-dust sprinkled military authority without having a source of such military authority (aka imperium). So, positively and encouragingly: your perspective might need some well-rounding. Furthermore, having a public hazard or fidelity bond in place is probably a more important consideration.

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That is probably why I made up a person.

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Thus the concept of "intermediary". One can use a "trust" or an "entity" with an EIN as an intermediary.

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Originally Posted by motla68

You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for....

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Ever notice a lack of a solid definition of "pay" in the UCC or the like? What some folks do not get that in the current economic system, you CAN pay by authorizing debits, credits or setoffs...approving/doing the accounting. If you block the accounting and want to remove something from the public, its called stealing. Therefore one can "pay" in a sense of value transfer. Depends on what you/they mean by "pay". The term has a specific meaning in a specific context.

Also, when one provides labor to "the System" one is providing an asset which results in credit entry showing liability to the person providing the labor. A debit to an asset account increases it. Labor Co.'s receipt of an asset would be a debit to their asset account with a corresponding credit to the liability account to the worker. The payroll check would be Labor Co.'s evidence of liability to the worker. How the worker handles that payroll check might affect to the income tax issue.

31 USC 5103
" United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts. "

31 USC 5119
" the redemption may be made only in gold bullion bearing the stamp of a United States mint or assay office in an amount equal at the time of redemption to the currency presented for redemption. "

Do you see the consecutive like minded rules here ? If it does not have a seal of the united states when exchanged it is not considered a payment on debt. So therefore there is only illusion that debts are being paid for when this should be telling you it don't matter where the ink and paper comes from as long as it bears that seal or the product and service that is licensed by that government or an associate government such as one of the several states.
The same goes for donations to help foreign people in other countries, I doubt you could just send money directly to a family in a foreign country and get a tax break on it, it has to go through a U,S. Corporation, foundation or association to be able to get that tax break.
It could be possible though i guess but you probably get audited later for it if your in the position of acting like a taxpayer filing, wanting a benefit.

Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.

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3Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.

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And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.

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And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.

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Is one bound to a seal without consent?

And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.

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Is one bound to a seal without consent?

And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.

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Circular arguments or wild goose chases .. exactly .. context matters. It depends on who you are dealing with it... who you are who "they" are. Your mailbox being empty of that magazine for more than 30 days might have a meaning different than if you were a subscriber. What is "the people"? What "people"? What is "people"? According to "whom"? Obviously context depends. And its obvious that primary being discussed are those who are interacting with a "system" or a "game" or a "forum" called "the United States". "Pay" and "value" are wide open to discussion, and study. A "dollar" in some regards might not be much much different than a "pound" or a "dozen" its a unit of measurement. "five pounds" ... "five dollars" (accounting tallies).. "five hen's teeth". Context matters. A "charge" has been defined as a given quantity of ..something. Liabilities are widely held to be "negative assets".

Re: seals and signatures in some contexts thin ice might separate ..if there is any separation.

Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.

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Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.

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There is such a thing called "preaching to the choir". People have bugged me because I dont have a last name or "State ID". So I've asked them questions about whether they knew when they were born and exactly where. If they could name who was there and describe their faces. Then I recount the many folks that I know that have multiple birth certificates or grew up only to find that they were "born" 3 years later or earlier than the birth certificate showed or the like. But they are willing to make sworn statements concerning what amounts to hearsay.

Not to mention this stunning question: "So, did they check George III's photo ID when he signed such and such a treaty?" Did "Queen Isabella of Spain have photo ID?" Did George III have a last name? Does UK's Queen Elizabeth have a last name? Isn't it puzzling that they expect State ID allegedly in enforcement of treaties and laws founded upon documents written by folks who didn't have photo ID or even whose existence we not be able to actually prove? What is even more interesting however, is bringing someone to realize that:

[1] "they" tell you all kinds of things ***** WITHOUT**** providing you a single affidavit [from lawyers to doctors to politicians to 'preachers'] {However perhaps we ought not discount their oaths of office, employment applications (often oath of office can be on a govt. job application itself, bar cards, degrees, tax forms, etc.}
[2] for most EVERYTHING they expect an affidavit or certificate under penalties of perjury or a sworn statement or declaration with penalties for making a false declaration.

Now why is it a school teacher can tell you that the sky was painted blue by Ook Mook the Polar Sky King without a sworn statement and you are "supposed" to believe it but ... yet a sworn statement is expected from you just to get a State-issued potato peeler?

When you go to the attorney, how about having him swear out his competence concerning a matter? But see, that is maybe why there is such a thing as insurance. How about this for fairness: [1] You get a flaky, so-so insurance policy to safeguard you from injuries sustained by you for relying on unfounded or questionable statements or on outright lies; [2] they get a sworn statement and a hook in your arse to throw you in prison if you lie? They are willing to give you tree shavings if they screw up but they want your body if you do? Want to sign up for that plan?