Elites engage in commerce by proxy

Elites engage in commerce by proxy ....
Perhaps one should give thought to doing the same?

Physiocracy

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Precursors

Physiocracy is an agrarianist philosophy which may trace its origins to various sources. During the latter period of the Roman Republic, the dominant senatorial class was not allowed to engage in banking or commerce but relied on their latifundia, large plantations, for income. They circumvented this rule through freedmen proxies who sold surplus agricultural goods.

After the decline of the Roman Empire, de-urbanization led to commerce and trade ceasing to exist throughout most of western Europe. Economies became centered around agricultural manors where warrior-landlords, the Medieval nobility, collected rent from their serfs in the form of their produce. This was the dominant economic system until trade began to return in the Late Middle Ages leading to the rise of the merchant class.

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Latifundium

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Latifundia could be devoted to livestock (sheep and cattle) or to cultivation of olive oil, grain, and wine. However, in Rome, they did not produce grain and Rome had to import grain (in the Republican period, from Sicily and North Africa, in the Imperial era, from Egypt). Ownership of land, organized in the latifundia, defined the Roman Senatorial class. It was the only acceptable source of wealth for senators, though Romans of the elite class would set up their freedmen as merchant traders, and participate as silent partners in profits to which senatores were disqualified.

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Slavery in Ancient Greece

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Slaves were also employed in the home. The domestic's main role was to stand in for his master at his trade and to accompany him on trips. In time of war he was batman to the hoplite; it has been argued that their actual role was far greater.[47] The female slave carried out domestic tasks, in particular bread baking and textile making. Only the poorest citizens did not possess a domestic slave.[48]

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Cadet branch

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In such cases, primary responsibility for promoting the family's prestige, aggrandizement, and fortune fell upon the senior branch for future generations. A cadet, having less means, was not expected to reproduce a family. If a cadet chose to raise a family, its members were expected to maintain the family's social status by avoiding derogation, but could pursue endeavors that might be considered demeaning for the senior branch, such as immigration to another sovereign's realm, or engagement in commerce, or a profession (such as law), academia, or civil service.

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Roman commerce

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Whereas in theory members of the Roman Senate and their families were prohibited from engaging in trade,[1] the members of the Equestrian order were involved in businesses, despite their upper class values that laid the emphasis on military pursuits and leisure activities. Plebeians and freedmen held shop or manned stalls at markets while vast quantities of slaves did most of the hard work. The slaves were themselves also the subject of commercial transactions. Their high proportion in society (compared to that in Classical Greece), and the reality of runaways, the Roman Servile Wars and minor uprisings, they gave a distinct flavor to Roman commerce.

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Perhaps you already are and just don't know it?

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Imagine for a moment that each State is an agricultural plantation. Tax revenues are the rents maybe?

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Physiocracy is an agrarianist philosophy which may trace its origins to various sources. During the latter period of the Roman Republic, the dominant senatorial class was not allowed to engage in banking or commerce but relied on their latifundia, large plantations, for income. They circumvented this rule through freedmen proxies who sold surplus agricultural goods.

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Perhaps each State/Estado of the United States is a "latifundia"? What do they call the buildings were automobiles are made? Plants. Hmm interesting--another kind of 'cash crop'?

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plantation - an estate (the Spanish word 'estado' is synonymous with state ) where cash crops are grown on a large scale (especially in tropical areas)
Synonym: acres, demesne, landed estate, estate, land - extensive landed property (especially in the country) retained by the owner for his own use; "the family owned a large estate on Long Island"
Synonym: orangery - a place where oranges are grown; a plantation of orange trees in warm climes or a greenhouse in cooler areas

Plantation - a newly established colony (especially in the colonization of North America);
Synonym: colony, settlement - a body of people who settle far from home but maintain ties with their homeland; inhabitants remain nationals of their home state but are not literally under the home state's system of government; "the American colony in Paris"
North America - a continent (the third largest) in the western hemisphere connected to South America by the Isthmus of Panama

plantation - garden consisting of a small cultivated wood without undergrowth

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Possibly relevant: municipal trading; social credit; www.ssa.gov.

That's some way of looking at things :).

I'll have to chew on that.

What I was seeking to convey was that a person should engage in commerce through a corporation or trust and not as a sole proprietor.

Way back then a freeman was one without an estate or plantation, he/she often worked for an estate or plantation until enough resource could be saved to create their own plantation or estate, the age of majority.

Shareholders make elections;

SBOT = Yahweh

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Originally Posted by motla68

Way back then a freeman was one without an estate or plantation, he/she often worked for an estate or plantation until enough resource could be saved to create their own plantation or estate, the age of majority.

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That was not a freeman, at least as defined.
If one is without and working for another, that's servitude. Not freedom.

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It took four bronze sestertii, like the one of Marcus Aurelius as Caesar shown here, to make a silver denarius, the penny of the Bible. Gladiators accumulated sestertii in hopes of buying their freedom.
http://www.coinworld.com/articles/th...e-for-freedom/

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

That was not a freeman, at least as defined.
If one is without and working for another, that's servitude. Not freedom.

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I offer you to further investigate definitions in greater detail;

Freedom does not mean everything is without labor, freedom is not free.
Boyd K. Packer, a prominent religious educator, said: "Freedom is not a self-preserving gift. It has to be earned, and it has to be protected."
Agreeing to work to take care of ones self and his family is not enslavement.

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"Freedom" was earned after an allotted time, or until the person demanding "payment" was satisfied – this was known as indentured servitude, and was not originally intended as a stigma or embarrassment for the person involved since many of the sons and daughters of the wealthy and famous of the time found themselves forced into such temporary servitude.

An indentured servant would sign a contract agreeing to serve for a specific number of years, typically five or seven. Many immigrants to the colonies came as indentured servants, with someone else paying their passage to the Colonies in return for a promise of service. At the end of his service, according to the contract, the indentured servant (male or female) usually would be granted a sum of money, a new suit of clothes, land, or perhaps passage back to England. An indentured servant was not the same as an apprentice or a child who was "placed out."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_%28Colonial%29

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Originally Posted by motla68

I offer you to further investigate definitions in greater detail;

Freedom does not mean everything is without labor, freedom is not free.
Boyd K. Packer, a prominent religious educator, said: "Freedom is not a self-preserving gift. It has to be earned, and it has to be protected."

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Let's begin. Shall we?
I did not imply that freedom was without labor.
If some strongman is deriving usufructus from you as some sort of tribute or is directing your labor that is a form of servitude, not freedom.

Besides, we are talking about the status and title of freeman.

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Agreeing to work to take care of ones self and his family is not enslavement.

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The kind of work one does is available to them is often determined by class.

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Originally Posted by motla68

"Freedom" was earned after an allotted time, or until the person demanding "payment" was satisfied – this was known as indentured servitude, and was not originally intended as a stigma or embarrassment for the person involved since many of the sons and daughters of the wealthy and famous of the time found themselves forced into such temporary servitude.

An indentured servant would sign a contract agreeing to serve for a specific number of years, typically five or seven. Many immigrants to the colonies came as indentured servants, with someone else paying their passage to the Colonies in return for a promise of service. At the end of his service, according to the contract, the indentured servant (male or female) usually would be granted a sum of money, a new suit of clothes, land, or perhaps passage back to England. An indentured servant was not the same as an apprentice or a child who was "placed out."[/I]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_%28Colonial%29

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Thank-you for the cite. However, if you believe indentured servitude makes one free or a freeman, I need to take you back to basics so that you can clearly distinguish servitude from liberty.

Let's look at how some of your ancestors defined free man:

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Hannah Arendt traces the origins of the concept of freedom to the practice of politics in ancient Greece. According to her study, the concept of freedom was historically inseparable from political action. Politics could only be practiced by those who had freed themselves from the necessities of life, so that they could attend to the realm of political affairs (political freedom)

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Roman law also embraced certain limited forms of liberty, even under the rule of the Roman Emperors. However, these liberties were accorded only to Roman citizens. Still, the Roman citizen enjoyed a combination of positive liberty (the right to a trial, a right of appeal, law and contract enforcement) and negative liberty (unhindered right to contract and the right to not be tortured). Many of the liberties enjoyed under Roman law endured through the Middle Ages, but were enjoyed solely by the nobility, never by the common man. The idea of unalienable and universal liberties had to wait until the Age of Enlightenment. (Liberty)

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Baron is a title of nobility. The word baron comes from Old French baron, itself from Old High German and Latin (liber) baro meaning "(free) man, (free) warrior"; it merged with cognate Old English beorn meaning "nobleman".[1] The mediaeval Latin word baro, baronis, was used originally to denote a tenant-in-chief of the early Norman kings, which class developed into feudal barons who held their lands from the king by the feudal tenure per baroniam and were entitled to attend parliament. (Baron)

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FRANK c.1300, "free, liberal, generous," from O.Fr. franc "free (not servile), sincere, genuine, open, gracious; worthy" (12c.), from M.L. Franc "a freeman, a Frank" (see Frank). The connection is that only Franks, as the conquering class, had the status of freemen. Sense of "outspoken" first recorded in English 1540s. (Source)

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LIBERTY late 14c., from O.Fr. liberté "freedom," from L. libertatem (nom. libertas) "freedom, condition of a freeman," from liber "free" (see liberal)

The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure it is right. [Learned Hand, 1944]

Nautical sense of "leave of absence" is from 1758. To take liberties "go beyond the bounds of propriety" is from 1620s. Sense of "privileges" led to sense of "a person's private land" (mid-15c.), which yielded sense in 18c. England and America of "a district within a county but having its own justice of the peace," and also "a district adjacent to a city and in some degree under its municipal jurisdiction" (e.g. Northern Liberties of Philadelphia). (Source)

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LIBERAL late 14c., from O.Fr. liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous," from L. liberalis "noble, generous," lit. "pertaining to a free man," from liber "free," from PIE base *leudheros (cf. Gk. eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), from *leudho- "people" (cf. O.C.S. ljudu, Lith. liaudis, O.E. leod, Ger. Leute "nation, people"). Earliest reference in English is to the liberal arts. Sense of "free in bestowing" is from late 14c. With a meaning "free from restraint in speech or action" (late 15c.) liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88. Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from Fr. libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]

The noun meaning "member of the Liberal party of Great Britain" is from 1820. (Source)

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Given the definitions above, you can see that a freeman was associated with the elite, nobility, the organic class and their posterity (sound familiar??), or the warrior/conquering class.
Their members were freemen. Everyone else was subject with a disability of one sort or another.

Class? Enslavement starts in ones mind when one thinks in terms of living in boxes.

Freeman is one that is free to choose to contract or not contract, restrain himself or not restrain. It goes beyond just not being imprisoned or jailed.

Strong's Exhaustive concordance:
Liberty = Freedom

This is not 1540 or 1944, we live in 2011.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

That's some way of looking at things :).

I'll have to chew on that.

What I was seeking to convey was that a person should engage in commerce through a corporation or trust and not as a sole proprietor.

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Proprietor is awfully similar to the word propraetor ain't it? Propraetor pretty much means for (pro) the praetor. If a birth certificate is a corporate charter document then there is your corporation. William BLACKSTONE apparently regarded states to be corporations.

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Latin, from prō praetōre one who acts for a praetor

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Class? Enslavement starts in ones mind when one thinks in terms of living in boxes.

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Class. If you prefer, try the term ESTATE.
Start with Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1856) concerning the term ESTATE.

And you make a classical mistake concerning SERVITUDE.
Slavery is A form of SERVITUDE, not the form.
There are a wide variety of forms of servitude of which slavery is but one.

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Originally Posted by motla68

Freeman is one that is free to choose to contract or not contract, restrain himself or not restrain. It goes beyond just not being imprisoned or jailed.

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And you miss the boat yet again.
The name of the game is SERVITUDE in ALL its forms both great and small.

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Originally Posted by motla68

Strong's Exhaustive concordance:
Liberty = Freedom

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Another error.
Ask a seamen on shore leave if he has freedom or liberty and if the terms are synonymous.

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Originally Posted by motla68

This is not 1540 or 1944, we live in 2011.

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It's your prerogative to remain in ignorance of the etymology of terms if you so chose.

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Proprietor is awfully similar to the word propraetor ain't it? Propraetor pretty much means for (pro) the praetor. If a birth certificate is a corporate charter document then there is your corporation. William BLACKSTONE apparently regarded states to be corporations.

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Interesting ....

Here is what Etymonline has concerning various terms:

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proprietor 1630s, "owner, by royal grant, of an American colony," probably from proprietary (n.) in sense "property owner" (late 15c., see proprietary). In general sense of "one who holds something as property" it is attested from 1640s.

proprietary mid-15c., "possessing worldly goods in excess of a cleric's needs," from M.L. proprietarius "owner of property," noun use of L.L. adj. proprietarius "of a property holder," from L. proprietas "owner" (see property). Meaning "held in private ownership" is first attested 1580s.

praetor magistrate in ancient Rome (next in rank to consuls), early 15c., from L. praetor "one who goes before, a consul as leader of an army," from prae "before" (see pre-) + root of ire "to go" (see ion).

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Class. If you prefer, try the term ESTATE.
Start with Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1856) concerning the term ESTATE.
And you make a classical mistake concerning SERVITUDE.
Slavery is A form of SERVITUDE, not the form.
There are a wide variety of forms of servitude of which slavery is but one.
And you miss the boat yet again.
The name of the game is SERVITUDE in ALL its forms both great and small.
Another error.
Ask a seamen on shore leave if he has freedom or liberty and if the terms are synonymous.
It's your prerogative to remain in ignorance of the etymology of terms if you so chose.

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To me you are in error, Freemen can choose to serve or not to serve and how long to serve, free will to devise his own contracts.

Cookie cutter thoughts, boxes , absolutes, ok i get it, you are all about compartmentalization. To which I disagree about things, so guess will have to agree to disagree on that too. I cannot live that way, whenever I make a motion to do a thing usually have a backup plan in hand ready to go in case changes ever need to be made. Everything is relative. Start at the 3:27 mark on the following video: http://youtu.be/sj3wEoA0AsQ

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Originally Posted by motla68

To me you are in error, Freemen can choose to serve or not to serve and how long to serve, free will to devise his own contracts.

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You need more precision in your writings.
If this is your personal definition of a TERM, state so.

In most instances, no they can't.
Most "freemen" waive their rights through contract.
Most "freemen" couldn't guide their rights and suit through a brown paper sleeve let alone a court.
Most "freemen" know not the "King's English".
Most "freemen" hang themselves with their own speech, actions, or deeds.
Most "freemen" claim to be free then accept the benefits from that which they are seeking to be free of.
Most "freemen" want to use terms when they don't know anything about the history, origin, or development of the terms which they use.
Most "freemen" have done no substantive research whether historical or legal that would enable them to become free.
The above is my opinion and observations over the years.

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Cookie cutter thoughts, boxes , absolutes, ok i get it, you are all about compartmentalization.

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You error again.
What have you against inquiry?

If you were smart you would learn to develop multidimensional vision.
Can you see the sub-atomic particles, atoms, the whole, and the different time shifts of the aforementioned at the same time?

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Originally Posted by motla68

To which I disagree about things, so guess will have to agree to disagree on that too. I cannot live that way, whenever I make a motion to do a thing usually have a backup plan in hand ready to go in case changes ever need to be made. Everything is relative. Start at the 3:27 mark on the following video: http://youtu.be/sj3wEoA0AsQ

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Here is an idea:
Try citing more scholarly research such as treatises or archive documents and less on the YouTube videos.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

You need more precision in your writings.
If this is your personal definition of a TERM, state so.

In most instances, no they can't.
Most "freemen" waive their rights through contract.
Most "freemen" couldn't guide their rights and suit through a brown paper sleeve let alone a court.
Most "freemen" know not the "King's English".
Most "freemen" hang themselves with their own speech, actions, or deeds.
Most "freemen" claim to be free then accept the benefits from that which they are seeking to be free of.
Most "freemen" want to use terms when they don't know anything about the history, origin, or development of the terms which they use.
Most "freemen" have done no substantive research whether historical or legal that would enable them to become free.
The above is my opinion and observations over the years.



You error again.
What have you against inquiry?

If you were smart you would learn to develop multidimensional vision.
Can you see the sub-atomic particles, atoms, the whole, and the different time shifts of the aforementioned at the same time?



Here is an idea:
Try citing more scholarly research such as treatises or archive documents and less on the YouTube videos.

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Philosophy is just as important as scholarly research if not more so. Just like a judge makes opinions in court so is scholarly research, just look how far alternative medicines have come and the scholarly researchers who try to stop it.
If you cannot develop a thought without using a book as a crutch then you are going to have a really difficult time when they take them all away.
It has done me very well to approach situations in an informal manner unlike the cattle drive going on in society today.
Were you born with a book in hand, will you die with a book in hand, if not then you might need to look at what your doing wrong in between.

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Philosophy is just as important as scholarly research if not more so. Just like a judge makes opinions in court so is scholarly research, just look how far alternative medicines have come and the scholarly researchers who try to stop it.

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What do you think the term jurisprudence means?

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If you cannot develop a thought without using a book as a crutch then you are going to have a really difficult time when they take them all away.

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However, the words, terms, ideas, and concepts you use are not your own. They were created antecedent to your existence.
Again, if you want to ignore the history prior to your existence, that is your prerogative.

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It has done me very well to approach situations in an informal manner unlike the cattle drive going on in society today.

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That's great. Glad it works for you.

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Were you born with a book in hand, will you die with a book in hand, if not then you might need to look at what your doing wrong in between.

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That depends. Were you born speaking English? Were you born with your philosophy?
If not, you may want to reconsider the absurdity of your statement above.

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What do you think the term jurisprudence means?



However, the words, terms, ideas, and concepts you use are not your own. They were created antecedent to your existence.
Again, if you want to ignore the history prior to your existence, that is your prerogative.



That's great. Glad it works for you.



That depends. Were you born speaking English? Were you born with your philosophy?
If not, you may want to reconsider the absurdity your statement above.

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ok, here is some book knowledge for your benefit of doubt;

jurisprudence
n 1: the branch of philosophy concerned with the law and the
principles that lead courts to make the decisions they
do [syn: law, legal philosophy]
2: the collection of rules imposed by authority; "civilization
presupposes respect for the law"; "the great problem for
jurisprudence to allow freedom while enforcing order"
[syn: law]

Where does authority come from, how is it derived?

I could do this blindfolded and practically have, had laryngitis one day going to court, before walking in I wrote a bunch of notes down on a notepad, I knew what they was going to ask and then when asked i just handed them sheets of paper from the notepad in order, all the DA could do is shrug and say he dismisses the case.

The clerk confirmed with me that "VD" meant the case was dismissed.
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Am I a freeman yet?
I was born a freeman with philosophy(the spirit) within me, a mistake can be corrected at any time.
I am of my fathers Estate, the paper is of the lower estate.

John 1:1 thru 5.

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ok, here is some book knowledge for your benefit of doubt;

jurisprudence
n 1: the branch of philosophy concerned with the law and the
principles that lead courts to make the decisions they
do [syn: law, legal philosophy]
2: the collection of rules imposed by authority; "civilization
presupposes respect for the law"; "the great problem for
jurisprudence to allow freedom while enforcing order"
[syn: law]

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Remember I put forward the term for cause.
I'm well aware of how jurisprudence is defined.
This is good. We are in agreement that philosophy is involved.
While you have espoused yours. I'm showing you their philosophy and definitions

By the by, you should cite the source(s) from whence this information comes unless it is your organic writings.

For your perusal:
Six Books of the Commonwealth by Jean Bodin

That which I present doesn't mean it is my personal endorsement.
I realize that much of this material is propaganda such as The Federalist Papers.

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Where does authority come from, how is it derived?

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Many times by force followed by custom and habit.

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I could do this blindfolded and practically have, had laryngitis one day going to court, before walking in I wrote a bunch of notes down on a notepad, I knew what they was going to ask and then when asked i just handed them sheets of paper from the notepad in order, all the DA could do is shrug and say he dismisses the case.

The clerk confirmed with me that "VD" meant the case was dismissed.

Am I a freeman yet?
I was born a freeman with philosophy(the spirit) within me, a mistake can be corrected at any time.
I am of my fathers Estate, the paper is of the lower estate.

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Two senses here.
Freemen as has been historically defined.
Freemen as to one's personal philosophy.

What you are not considering is my philosophy that one must know a system quite thoroughly before you can hack that system.
That philosophy has worked out smashingly well for me in a multitude of areas i.e. computers and law for starters.

It behooves anyone to know their adversary.

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Remember I put forward the term for cause.
I'm well aware of how jurisprudence is defined.
This is good. We are in agreement that philosophy is involved.
While you have espoused yours. I'm showing you their philosophy and definitions

By the by, you should cite the source(s) from whence this information comes unless it is your organic writings.

For your perusal:
Six Books of the Commonwealth by Jean Bodin

That which I present doesn't mean it is my personal endorsement.
I realize that much of this material is propaganda such as The Federalist Papers.



Many times by force followed by custom and habit.



Two senses here.
Freemen as has been historically defined.
Freemen as to one's personal philosophy.

What you are not considering is my philosophy that one must know a system quite thoroughly before you can hack that system.
That philosophy has worked out smashingly well for me in a multitude of areas i.e. computers and law for starters.

It behooves anyone to know their adversary.

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I have no trust in man nor his books, can only trust myself.

Consider instead of force, custom and habit, using manifestation, choice and concomitant .

I think of freemen as the latter definition.

The answer is in the question, you must leave it all behind. We cannot change the past nor the future, we can only live in present.

" The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
- Abraham Lincoln

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I have no trust in man nor his books, can only trust myself.

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Who said I'm placing trust in them? I'm learning from them.
You don't have to agree with them to learn from them.
I don't agree with Christianity. That doesn't preclude me from learning from the Bible.

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The answer is in the question, you must leave it all behind. We cannot change the past nor the future, we can only live in present.

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This is where we disagree. Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it.
Since most people are ignorant of history, we only need to read history and apply the similarities to today to see where situations are headed.

In fact, I'm finding much of the wisdom of the ancients to be of superior quality to the swill peddled about by media today.
Give me the classics over much of the trash called literature today.

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Who said I'm placing trust in them? I'm learning from them.
You don't have to agree with them to learn from them.
I don't agree with Christianity. That doesn't preclude me from learning from the Bible.



This is where we disagree. Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it.
Since most people are ignorant of history, we only need to read history and apply the similarities to today to see where situations are headed.

In fact, I'm finding much of the wisdom of the ancients to be of superior quality to the swill peddled about by media today.
Give me the classics over much of the trash called literature today.

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Walking and talking and thinking like them whether classic literature or present day, that is not learning. It is just a product of a public fool system. Learning to learn that is where it is at, teaching ones self.

Your quote " Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat " , I cannot tell you how many times I have heard that, it is just copycat manifestation. But if this is how you live then let me tell you another one, " people keep doing the same things beating their heads against a wall and expecting different results ". The point is most of the people using the first quote are living the life of the second quote, it is a viscous cycle of different levels. New websites and/or books pop up all the time churning out the same OLD information and presenting it as new.

Fortunately I do not succumb to such tail chasing any more, one day I grabbed a legal thesaurus and looked up these statutes everyone is talking about, used that to replace most of the words in the statute also removing the code header and history reference below it, then used that in affidavits and motions, did the same thing with maxims of law and found usually the judges were very entertained by it, after doing this several times I taught myself knowledge that goes beyond what the common man would use in court, now i just write a letter to the clerk of court telling them why am making an appearance and then just do what I said I was going to do, there is no affidavits, no motions, no arguing, I just call it for what is, who I am and what those instruments are. My skin is not paper, my blood is not ink, the word is with me.
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Originally Posted by motla68

Walking and talking and thinking like them whether classic literature or present day, that is not learning. It is just a product of a public fool system. Learning to learn that is where it is at, teaching ones self.

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This is a strawman and false inference which you are awfully quick at resorting too.
You assume based upon a faulty inference, then leap to conclusion to knock over.
Ask before inferring. This is called confirmation.

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Originally Posted by motla68

Your quote " Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat " , I cannot tell you how many times I have heard that, it is just copycat manifestation. But if this is how you live then let me tell you another one, " people keep doing the same things beating their heads against a wall and expecting different results ". The point is most of the people using the first quote are living the life of the second quote, it is a viscous cycle of different levels. New websites and/or books pop up all the time churning out the same OLD information and presenting it as new.

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Grossly incorrect.
Whether it is days of the week; Gregorian calender; or Christian principles, you practice ancient history whether you are conscious of it or not.

Learning from history doesn't mean doing the same things. In fact, they teach you what not to do.
Those items that make sense, you test to see if applies to your situation.
You don't have that much time to make that many mistakes.

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Originally Posted by motla68

Fortunately I do not succumb to such tail chasing any more, one day I grabbed a legal thesaurus and looked up these statutes everyone is talking about, used that to replace most of the words in the statute also removing the code header and history reference below it, then used that in affidavits and motions, did the same thing with maxims of law and found usually the judges were very entertained by it, after doing this several times I taught myself knowledge that goes beyond what the common man would use in court, now i just write a letter to the clerk of court telling them why am making an appearance and then just do what I said I was going to do, there is no affidavits, no motions, no arguing, I just call it for what is, who I am and what those instruments are. My skin is not paper, my blood is not ink, the word is with me.

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From what I can tell, assessing your posts in aggregate, you don't research much either.
You have no shortage of pointless pictures, I give you that.
Put that much effort into clarifying and supporting your writings, you'd be taken more seriously by me.

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Originally Posted by shikamaru

This is a strawman and false inference which you are awfully quick at resorting too.
You assume based upon a faulty inference, then leap to conclusion to knock over.
Ask before inferring. This is called confirmation.

Grossly incorrect.
Whether it is days of the week; Gregorian calender; or Christian principles, you practice ancient history whether you are conscious of it or not.

Learning from history doesn't mean doing the same things. In fact, they teach you what not to do.
Those items that make sense, you test to see if applies to your situation.
You don't have that much time to make that many mistakes.



From what I can tell, assessing your posts in aggregate, you don't research much either.
You have no shortage of pointless pictures, I give you that.
Put that much effort into clarifying and supporting your writings, you'd be taken more seriously by me.

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I see your not short of compartmentalized opinions, someone else's indoctrinations and looking outside yourself to find answers rather then developed progressive thought without some map book telling you where to go. I have seen nothing that you put together on here to show your work other then what is mentioned above.
Your quote: " You don't have that much time to make that many mistakes ", if this is not a patriot myth I do not know what is, where is your proof of this, are you saying your a fortune teller? All of these things and the fear hold you back from living, you can not really learn unless a mistake is made, this is what forms our character.

This is come down to deja vu of some of the debates I went through with David when we were having our big volley and I do not care to suffer through them again. I do give much credit to David though because at least he has shown some of his work by his own hand, that is the very basics to which I started from and i have no problem with that, some of us start from somewhere and move forward into the development of intelligent thinking making connections to see what is not physically in front of us and developing it into something that gets settled with equal balance in the world. This does not always mean getting everything we want, sometimes you have to give something up to get something back, it may not always be what you expect.

I am thankful for everything though, thankful for you and this conversation in which everyone benefits, but I must go now and get back to my work of other constructive time in which the local community benefits.

Ancient Greece and Slavery

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... Iconography made no substantial differentiation between slave and craftsman.

... All activities were open to slaves with the exception of politics. For the Greeks, politics was the only activity worthy of a citizen, the rest being relegated wherever possible to non-citizens. It was status that was of importance, not activity.

.... Slaves were also used as craftsmen and tradespersons. As in agriculture, they were used for labour that was beyond the capability of the family. The slave population was greatest in workshops: the shield factory of Lysias employed 120 slaves,[45] and the father of Demosthenes owned 32 cutlers and 20 bedmakers.[46]

Slaves were also employed in the home. The domestic's main role was to stand in for his master at his trade and to accompany him on trips. In time of war he was batman to the hoplite; it has been argued that their actual role was far greater.[47] The female slave carried out domestic tasks, in particular bread baking and textile making. Only the poorest citizens did not possess a domestic slave.

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