After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money:
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After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money:
Damn, it's right there. What is this paperwork from? Yours or off the net or what? How can the bank loan fiat and demand lawful money?
The same demand is made in HJR 192 - see it here in http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/hjr-192/ and http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/no-charge/Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
However, it was cleverly and diabolically hidden on June 5, 1933 as Option #2 as explained in above webpage!
We have been duped by their focus on Option #1...
We have been negligent in fulfilling our duty to choose Option #2 - "discharge upon PAYMENT" - which requires lawful money!
So, since we are to blame, then we can fix this IMMEDIATELY - by doing this!
And THIS!
And eventually THIS!!
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Originally Posted by David Merrill
Just Google "promissory note lawful money"
Here is another example demanding lawful money at http://www.in.gov/dlgf/files/HEA_107...ssory_Note.pdf
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4. All payments hereunder shall be made in lawful money of the United States of
America in immediately available funds at the Office of Auditor of State of Indiana 240 State
House, Indianapolis, Indiana 46204, or at such other place as the State may designate from time
to time. If any payment shall become due on a Saturday, Sunday, or on any other day during
which the Office of Auditor of State of Indiana is not open for public business, then such
payment shall be made on the next succeeding business day at such Office.
And another at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...1241dex102.htm
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PROMISSORY NOTE (AHAC)
$13,716,000.00 April 29, 2014
FOR VALUE RECEIVED, and at all times hereafter specified, AMBERGLEN PROPERTIES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, an Oregon limited partnership (“Maker”), having an address of 520 SW Sixth Avenue, Portland, Oregon 97204, Attention: Matt Felton, promises to pay to the order of AMERICAN HOME ASSURANCE COMPANY, a New York Corporation (“AHAC” and its successors and/or assigns, collectively referred to as “Holder”), having an address at c/o AIG Investments, 777 S. Figueroa Street, 16th Floor, Los Angeles, California 90017-5800, or at such other address as may be designated from time to time hereafter by any Holder, the principal sum of THIRTEEN MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED SIXTEEN THOUSAND and 00/100 Dollars ($13,716,000.00), together with interest on the principal balance outstanding from time to time, as hereinafter provided, in lawful money of the United States of America in accordance with this Promissory Note (AHAC) (the “AHAC Note”) and the other Loan Documents (as defined below).
And another at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...7935dex105.htm
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AMENDED AND RESTATED REVOLVING PROMISSORY NOTE
OF
AUTOTRADER.COM, INC.
ISSUED TO
COX ENTERPRISES, INC.
December 15, 2010
FOR VALUE RECEIVED, AUTOTRADER.COM, INC., a Delaware corporation (“Maker”), promises to pay to COX ENTERPRISES, INC., a Delaware corporation, or its successors and assigns (collectively with such successors and assigns, “Payee”), in lawful money of the United States of America, that certain amount owing by Maker to Payee from time to time pursuant to the Cash Management Agreement (as such term is defined below) as such amount may be adjusted from time to time pursuant to the Cash Management Agreement, together with interest in arrears accruing from the date hereof on the unpaid principal balance hereof from time to time at a variable rate equal to the Reference Rate (as such term is defined below), as adjusted from time to time, and in the manner set forth below and in the Cash Management Agreement. Maker is delivering this Amended and Restated Revolving Promissory Note in connection with the Amended and Restated Cash Management Agreement with Revolving Credit Facility dated as of December 15, 2010 by and between Maker and Payee (the “Cash Management Agreement”), and the terms and conditions of the Cash Management Agreement are incorporated herein by reference. To the extent of any inconsistency between the terms and provisions of this Amended and Restated Revolving Promissory Note and the Cash Management Agreement, the terms and provisions of the Cash Management Agreement shall govern this Amended and Restated Revolving Promissory Note. For the avoidance of doubt, amounts owing by Maker to Payee pursuant to the Cash Management Agreement and any amount outstanding under this Amended and Restated Revolving Promissory Note represent the same obligation of Maker to Payee.
And another at http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Healt...and_Promissory
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This excerpt taken from the HMA 8-K filed Aug 31, 2005.
DEMAND PROMISSORY NOTE
$20,000,000.00 August 26, 2005
Health Management Associates, Inc.
5811 Pelican Bay Boulevard, Suite 500
Naples, FL 34108
(Hereinafter referred to as “Borrower”)
Wachovia Bank, National Association
1 South Broad Street, PA 4152
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107
(Hereinafter referred to as “Bank”)
Borrower promises to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America, at its office indicated above or wherever else Bank may specify, the principal sum of $20,000,000.00 or such principal sum as may be advanced and outstanding from time to time, with interest on the unpaid principal balance at the rate and on the terms provided in this Promissory Note (including all renewals, extensions or modifications hereof, this “Note”).
Be thou not a respecter of persons. What is good for one person is good for another.
NOTICE carefully the exact wording:
1. "Borrower promises to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..."
It does NOT say:
2. "Borrower promises to promise to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..." [by tendering FRNs!]
By doing #2, are we not in breach of contract?
To do #1, isn't the only way that is possible is by accepting all bills for honor [as the people's credit vouchers], demanding lawful money thereon, indorsing them "For Deposit Only to the account of United States", and then returning them to their senders so that they can receive asset funds from the Treasury, which is the credit of the people in labor held by the Treasury since 1933 to offset their accounts payable at the Treasury, which transaction constitutes true payment, an exchange of real value (labor) for real value (products/services)?
Indeed, if the "Borrower is the Bank", why in the world would the people ever borrow money in the first place when they are the credit behind the entire national economy?!
Why not just "discharge upon payment" by indorsing all bills - which means "discharge the liability the providers have from borrowing the people's labor to produce the goods and services by assigning the credit amount on the bills over to them as their offset/setoff amount of same?
Google “The Way to outdo England without fighting her” by Henry Charles Carey, 1865. In his “Letter 12“, pages 129-130, he explains the efficacy of Lincoln’s “Greenback” Monetary Policy. Read this letter to see how an honest labor-backed currency and a simple clearinghouse controlled by the people could turn around our economy in weeks (see excerpt below, and also at http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014...d-bill-remedy/):
Attachment 1928
Imagine if the "borrower" paid the bank in lawful money but the ban only gave clearinghouse credit in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Merrill
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That which is said to be an unconditional promise to pay a sum certain in money is itself money.
Most any promissory note provided by a bank or by the US Department of Education, etc. is likely involving a promise to pay "lawful money". A check for ____ DOLLARS might be for clearinghouse credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin
Doug555 what I've aimed to drive home is the reality that at the heart of all monetary systems seems to be this thing called sovereign prerogative.
"Borrower promises to promise to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..." [by tendering FRNs!]
I don't see this as accomplishing anything. A bank cannot sue you for not paying lawful money, they accept FRNs for every transaction. They are estopped by their own actions. The government is not a party to the contract, they cannot use it in any way. This maybe is done so a court can actually make judgment concerning the mortgage, an not be making something a payment of debt other than gold or silver coin. But even with that, it must be done in equity, as a full accounting done in law, will show the bank had no consideration for the contract (they don't lend out their deposits).
A choice. Be your brother's keeper - or add extra burdens. The choice is rooted in self. Should I die to self and help others or be greedy which hurts me and others. Either way the Administration is made by others.Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin
Kingdom of God : The Administration is in the Holy Spirit
States of men: The Administration is in the government
Those under the Administration of the government of the United States may call themselves United States citizens. This is a title.
Those under the Administration of the Holy Spirit of Father El Elyon may call themselves the sons of El Elyon. This is a title.
Those who Establish the State also settle the commercial affairs - Constitution. Else if there was no Constitution then the State would be a closed law boundary unable to engage other States. Therefore, of course, there is sovereign prerogative. If the sovereign is the servant of the people, then the prerogative must presuppose the benefit of the people.
1Co 4:21 What desire ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love and in the spirit of meekness?
Regards,
Michael Joseph
I agree that knowing your proper place is the key, but why do you suppose the lawful money language is in that contract?
Oh that part is easy to answer - international trade. Almost immediately the note is traded - assigned. Be thou not a respecter of persons. The agency of FMae and FMac go about the business of trading these notes internationally. This by the way is a BENEFICIAL SERVICE. Only the blind don't see.Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin
Otherwise, the inflation within the United States would be so bad it would cost $100 for a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas. Greed and the love of money - I will bring you to ashes from within.
Value therefore is a subjective moving scale based on the amount of notes in circulation within the U.S. at the time the value is to be measured. If an expansion has occurred then the value will be perceived to be higher because the price for good will escalate - inflation. When the contraction occurs then those who have more notes can pick up interests with their "spare" cash found as a result of the expansion. The blind fool takes all he makes and spends it on himself - therefore he continues in a constant status of want.
Some refuse to play the game - these are the poor of the world - yet wealthy. They lack in notes but they have no debt.
Regards,
MJ
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that on November 18, 2014, at 11:00 a.m. the office of Catherine L. Dullea, Attorney at Law, as Successor Trustee, 101 N. Fourth Avenue Suite 204, Sandpoint, ID, will sell at public auction to the highest bidder, for cash in lawful money of the United States of America, all payable at the time of sale, the following real property situated in the County of Bonner, State of Idaho, described as follows:http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/...a4bcf887a.html
Laws prohibiting the use of anything other than lawful money of the United States (or gold and silver coin) as currency have been on the books in California since 1849, 12 years after the invention of the telegraph and 27 years before the invention of the telephone. Even though lawmakers in the 19th century could not have anticipated the creation of digital currencies, the laws they wrote nonetheless prohibit their use, simply because they are alternatives to the approved form of currency. http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?se...doc_id=1323647
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Originally Posted by Chex
RIGHT. The people by consent RE-Venue themselves. Thus they consent to be governed by the revenue officer. County of Wake is a long way from Wake County. Office of the Sheriff is a long way from Sheriffs Department.
Those who undertake in the Federal Reserve cities and districts have consented to be governed by private corporations - here the Constitution between the United States and the States cannot help them and in fact wars against them. We see this at :
Article 1 Section 10.
No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
If the inhabitant of a State consents to be governed by private corporations then said inhabitant leaves the Administration of the "government of the United States" and subjects himself/herself to the administration of private man's interest. Thus having established this fact, the Constitution can not help said one because said one has waived his or her civil rights under the Administration of the "government of the United States" in trade for slavery [nothing] under the administration of private individuals. This is the difference between Public and Private.
The United States was quick to establish its own districts which are surveyed law boundaries - collection districts - 1790. The debt must be repaid - or forgiven. See Treaty of Paris Article IV.
Isa 52:3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed not with silver.
Oh how I love Father's Word.
Shalom,
Michael Joseph
Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any more clear then that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?
I've been pondering this for sometime. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them. Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.
There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body!
Here is a question, if the States are a private body, and we vote, who are we voting for? Are they actual gov't, or employees of the private body. What about the senators, unconstitutionally elected via the 17th amendment (from the corporate constitution as opposed the original constitution). Does anyone actually sit in the original gov't seats, or have they been vacated?
remember just because a corporation is bankrupt does not cause the corporation to cease. I like your style mikecz. If I build a webpage and require that you register to use it, then by making the use you bind yourself to the terms of use by consent. Noone makes you consent to register. But once you register and are upon the many uses, then you are bound to the policies governing those uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecz
If there is a holiday what of your uses? The site may go down. What then when the "rivers overrun their banks"? There most definitely will be "incessant trembling". And many will be looking for a SAVIOR - enter stage left - the Savior in a Can. Set up from time immemorial - from the days of Cain - welcome to the show - the False One. Hold your applause and don't forget to tip your waitress.
Its the same ole song and dance - it is just the names have changed - yet the Song remains the same.
Man i hear about the children - they have taught me numerous lessons. They ask because they TRUST I have the answer. Consider that one for a moment.
If you can't find remedy because the JACKS are already in their boxes - maybe you have to make your own remedy? Yet this is the way of the self willed man. I find this to be a trap. So I will listen to the Whispering Wind for Her instruction. How may I serve you for it is better to give than receive. I have become the fool to those who only think to get.
Consider motives. One must contend for the truth. For just as Noah took five hundred years to find a wife that had not been GENETICALLY MODIFIED - we too should contend for the truth. Look at our food, our water - perhaps one might think to grow their own and filter their water?
Spiritually speaking:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, making all diligence to write to you concerning our common salvation, I had need to write to you, exhorting you to earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Alas, the churches have committed Adultery. So too has the State. The two swords are drinking of a cup full of filthiness. And Equity has been thrown out into the streets.
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Search yourself - so you find a yearning for a Savior or are you prepared to make it right. To contend for the faith? If the former - let me assure you - a Savior has been prepared and is awaiting the consent of the masses who will find themselves Dazed and Confused.
"Dazed And Confused" - by Led Zeppelin
Been Dazed and Confused for so long it's not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Lots of people talkin', few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below.
You hurt and abuse tellin' all of your lies.
Run around sweet baby, Lord how you hypnotize.
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you've been.
Gonna love you baby, here I come again.
Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard earned pay
Try to love you baby, but you push me away.
Don't know where you're goin', only know just where you've been,
Sweet little baby, I want you again.
Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Take it easy baby, let them say what they will.
Will your tongue wag so much when I send you the bill?
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Of course the wise know this false woman is the Whore of Babylon - a false Church/State system.
Could it be that by paying in lawful money the Purchaser acquires substantial enough of a title to the pertinent property to make the Deed of Trust (i.e. assignment to bank) solid?Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin
maybe - but it sure is a "hot potato"Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
Assigned to "Bank of Insert Name" and
WITHOUT RECOURSE
_____________
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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
I see that gold/silver is for international affairs - if required. It is not to be used to trade domestically. However if the Husbandmen of the world agree in contract to accept notes from within these Private Law Boundaries - then they don't need gold or silver. We see this in the Special Drawing Rights and furthermore in the Bank of International Settlements. The B.I.S. made it so that gold did not have to be shipped from one location to another each time a "New Deal" was struck. Think about that Trust!
Could it be that by paying in lawful money the Purchaser acquires substantial enough of a title to the pertinent property to make the Deed of Trust (i.e. assignment to bank) solid?
I have thought about this before. A contract is a contract with any consideration. Coin, no matter how worthless, or cotton paper and ink are enough. Only a party to the contract can question such a thing, otherwise it is tortious interference. The only thing left is presumption of a bad contract, but paying the asking price (no matter how trivial) of the previous owner gives one perfect equity and that is as good as allodial title. So, unless it is only for the false presumption, or court enforcement (silver and gold at least to give a lawful judgment), I can't see why 'lawful money' would be in there.
If the husbandmen [heads of State] contract on what basis does the wife [citizenry] have to dispute? A contract is established in Promise. The consideration need only be a Promise. Now that is Equity. Allodial Property is only in a King. Allodial Estate can be in the subjects undertaking for the public benefit of the Kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin
Attachment 1930
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8B...it?usp=sharing
For consideration and correction...
Something I developed long ago after studying under Tom Schauf for years...
This shows that the "Borrower is the Bank" ... the True Creditor... by the plausible bookkeeping entries that should be correct in concept, if not in exact execution.
Hab 2:6-8
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6 "Will not all of these take up a taunt-song against him, Even mockery and insinuations against him And say, 'Woe to him who increases what is not his- For how long - And makes himself rich with loans?' 7 "Will not your creditors rise up suddenly, And those who collect from you awaken? Indeed, you will become plunder for them. 8 "Because you have looted many nations, All the remainder of the peoples will loot you- Because of human bloodshed and violence done to the land, To the town and all its inhabitants.
However, to restate the thing about lawful money , the note and the Deed of Trust: perhaps they know that if you buy the house with FRNs then you're title will be a bit flaky. So the idea is to get you to buy the house with lawful money then get you to repay or pull it out of the trust using FRNs as a way to keep the house in 'dead hands'.
Related:
Statutes of Mortmain
I have been thinking about this thread and last night a thought came to me. The promissory note is assignable so it is drawn on a bank. It is drawn on my Promises - my Labor. So then one has an Equitable Right to expect me to keep my word. My Word is my Bond. My word has value.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
So then why wouldn't I cloth the PN so that my signature does not stand naked? For instance: "DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12USC411 and Without Recourse and Without Prejudice": signature
One might argue but this is my Promise to Pay, but my Promise is contingent upon my receipt of fundage. Ahhhhhhhh Haaaaaaaaaa.
Furthermore the Deed of Trust is my Deed. I am the Trustor. Consider that carefully and perhaps some lights might come on. Hint: I remember one attorney squealing like a stuck pig when I NOVATED the Deed of Trust. I asked him two questions: 1. Do you have a legal duty to me? He said no. 2. Do you have any duty to me? He said he sort of had an ethical duty to me. I then said I HAVE NO TRUST IN YOU - I will let you know when I am finished. Well three hours later - I was finished. All the terms I could not live with I put in a box X'd out and wrote NO across them. Initialed and dated.
I wish I had brought a recorder and a witness. If I ever had it to do again, I would bring my own Notary and a witness whom I might appoint to be trustee.
Before the naysayer goes on and on about the bank not performing....start at the beginning and RE-READ. You apparently missed the most important part.
By the way, if I grant a Promise, then I have a Legal Duty to perform. And since God cannot lie, I should not lie. So the one I promised has an equitable interest in me.
Regards,
Michael Joseph
Not quite. But nonetheless close. The social security number and social security card card comes into play with respect to the note--such is a very key factor. There is a reason they want it or they'd otherwise refused to do business with you. Also remember "repay" means to pay again. Also, I am unaware of anything prohibiting a promissory note from containing two promises to pay LOOK CAREFULLY AND PRAYERFULLY AT THE DETAILS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Excellent. You are on point. I thought to edit my previous post to address this concern but then I thought I'll just leave it and see what happens. You cannot get to the closing table without first coming to terms - which is to say an agreement prior to closing. I call this the Application for Benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
Be not thou a respecter of persons.
It does not matter if the entity is numbered has an EIN or a SSN or a DL it does not matter. No fiction has ever gotten up and walked across the room. These numbers are accounts in the Estate. So the Grantor / Trustor / Borrower will make a demand for lawful money or not. The PN is a formalization of the promise to repay the loan evidenced in the Approval of the Application for Benefits.
The attorney therefore is reposed with a trust from both parties. And IF the attorney does not perform THEN a resulting trust will come to existence. The accounting is held within the Trust Account of the Attorney. Usually NAME OF ATTORNEY, LLC.
This should be ample evidence that this system is a closed law boundary. To make a use or not - well answer this, does it benefit you, or not? Question is: are you with enough knowledge to understand the question.
Let me say it like this: Do you typically understand agreements that you don't comprehend?
Regards,
MJ
Now look again at a Deed of Trust look at Capacity and see if you can find your multiple CAPACITIES in regard to the Trust formed and the Debtor/Creditor relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Answer for me:
1. Who is Grantor
2. Who is Trustor
3. Who is Grantor
4. Who is Settlor
5. Who has the power to appoint the Trustee and who appointed the Trustee
6. Who is the appointed Beneficiary
7. Who has the office of the Director - Administration of the Trust
Will you take a look. You will be surprised what you find.
I like Tom's books too. Keith LIVINGWAY turned me on to Tom's books about six years back. CLICK HEREQuote:
Originally Posted by doug555
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Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
Something I developed long ago after studying under Tom Schauf for years..
Thanks for posting that link...Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Just Google: "top secret bankers manual" for other copies.
Did you notice who wrote the "Forward" (page 8)?
Also Google: "america's hope cancel bank loans" and "the american voters vs. the banking system vol 1" for Tom's other 2 volumes.
Exactly the point. Its not necessarily hidden..its moreso in plain sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
A few other books by Tom Schauf....
http://www.mindserpent.com/American_...oks_index.html
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Originally Posted by doug555
Excellent.
Dan_11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so he will break it; he shall even return, and fix his attention on, with a view to cooperation with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Are you one of those ships? Bruisers - a thorn in the Elephants foot?
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Go forth and TAKE DOMINION.... I was able to trace my family to 1100's in the Netherlands and Scotland - I found the crest and coat - yet these are Titles to an Estate. Give the Zadok no Estate for they inherit in God. Have you started to figure that one out yet?
God owns it all. Put on your King hat and you will see.
Eze 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.
Eze 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Eze 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
Comment: Try to throw off bloodlines - they don't matter. This is not a marriage in the flesh - this is the Leadership and the Laity. The Heads of State and the citizenship. For FIRST came the Leadership [Adam], then the citizenry [Eve]
Eze 44:28 And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession.
Comment: The Creator owns it all.
Shalom,
Michael Joseph