An article about Social Security Administration Form 521
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An article about Social Security Administration Form 521
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Related: Withdrawing From Social Security (Adask)
Have you withdrawn from Social Security?
How can I withdraw from that which I have never been drawn into?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyCash
Can you show us?
In all actually, it would be the birth certificate persona/person/legal entity withdrawing from SS.
OK, has your persona/person withdrawn from SS?
My 'person' wasn't born in the United States. As for cancelling...it might be as simple as:
A scenario might be like this: Document gets sent by certified mail, copy filed with certificate of service in a Misc. Jacket or libel of review at the US District Court nearest John H. Doe. After thirty days a certificate of non-reponse/default goes to SSA and to case jacket. Follow up with reassertion that the account is cancelled and demand that all 'applicant information' (specific term used by the SSA) be deleted. You get the idea? Whether the cancellor/fiduciary (rhymes with chancellor) or one having authority is or isn't a person born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States --or is or isn't a resident of the United States might have a lot to do how well it goes.Quote:
Comes now John H. Doe, with full authority, with full right, for sincere and lawful reasons withheld, being unaware of willingly or knowingly applying for any benefit, account or card provided by or through the Social Security Administrating, now having full authority and power over JOHN HENRY DOE, TEXAS BIRTH OR FILE 1494195858 do hereby cancel any and all applications for any accounts, social security cards or benefits provided by or through the Social Security Administration.
If anyone has any questions or comments concerning this Cancellation they must make them known within thirty days by....
{Signature}
{Notary}
If there are any outstanding bills or the like in that persons name, it might be very good idea to pay them first.
There might be some 'cleanup' issues with banks, DMV, etc.
In other words, if you want to eat-> you eat (rather than merely talking about eating). If you want to cancel you cancel. Pretty simple eh?
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Thank you for telling us you've never done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
But perhaps I've done it for others? Saying I've never ridden my own motorcycle translates into never having ridden someone else's? Also, if you're going to cancel the SS account, I would imagine that you'd have a good reason for it and that you'd have a better arrangement or order to replace it with. Overall, If more people would just stop being afraid... .Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyCash
How else do you think you're going to cancel it, by ordering a McChicken sandwich at McD drive-thru? D By going in and applying for a replacement card? Do you want it to be really really hard? Do you know you can cancel or surrender driver license too? Just because they don't put out signs for it ....
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That is a snapshot/scan from the State of Florida application for a DL/ID. I'm unaware of any U.S. State that doesn't have a system for surrender or cancellation. Such is old news. With most DMVs you'll probably not have such an obvious indicator but might instead have to call them and go into the office to do the surrender.
FYI, a cop agreed with me a birth certificate and the names on the birth certificates would belong to the State. So I asked: Since I'm not the State how can any birth certificate or name on a birth certificate be mine?
You started the thread. Yet it's clear you are merely talking about withdrawing from SS. It is curious that someone with your experience & knowledge has nothing to show for it.
Psychology again? If someone posts an article about a book on golf do they have to be an expert on golf? Why exactly are you interested in creating controversy or discrediting someone merely for posting an interesting article? Why are you coming at me as if I wrote the article? That is curious! The thread is simply a reference to an article intended for reference and edification to those who will receive it. Alfred N. ADASK has a website and is open to being communicated with. You can ask him directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyCash
Why did that manager at the SSA swear up and down such a form didn't exist but when it was held in her face SHE SCREAMED knowing the form was being sought out to nix the SS account? Why are you so quick to say the form is not appropriate for this or that if *YOU* have never used it? :)
If I posted an IRS instruction for revised 2015 1040, would you start an argument or commentary about how curious it 'must' be how much I know or don't know about the form or how useless the form is? That is what is really curious.
Related: Adask's Law
P.S. Just because I've never had the cooties, doesn't mean I don't know the cure. :D
For those who missed it, "allodial" has edited his defense above a total of 4 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by allodial
What defense? Why would I need to defend an article that I didn't write? That article has gone around for over a decade. It being posted seems to upset you for some reason and I somehow suspected it might. Because... your true colors are showing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyCash
If you have questions about the article, ask Alfred N.
P.S. So are we supposed to believe the Form to be useless or non-existent because you and a dishonest SS office manager says? Everyone has to show 'proof' but Johnnay eh?
Well you'll pardon me for saying this but, you seem defensive.
Meaning that you in your reality you would be defensive because you know what your intent is? Just why would I defensive about his article? You can contact him and ask him all about it. Was your childish attempt at armchair psychology and manipulative 'mentalism' supposed to be offensive? :D LOL. Surely you have something better to do? Afterall, c'mon you do at least realize there has to have been something to defend against? Or is that you are so are so sure about your 'whimsy' that you fail to realize that the one being defensive is you although you're doing it in a very passive aggressive way?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyCash
Oh yeah and I'm 'supposed' to start spouting out how many years I've done this or that and try to prove something to you? Hahahah. Seriously move along.
How about you go over to the thread on the Russian library fire and tell us about how you feel entitled to know the title of every book that was damaged and how you feel entitled to have me have full architectural and structural knowledge of the library that caught on fire? Oh yes if you question the articles I can pretend to be offended if that helps you in a theraputic way. :D ;)
For some reason, I get the impression of you being a female with entitlement and control-freak / OCD issues who thinks what she feels or projects from her own character and world-view onto others to be 'true' or to be 'reality'. The controversy is all in your head: "If it was me I would be reacting like this so he must be being defensive cos I'm so sure I was being offensive." Thanks for the chuckles. Tip: its called delusion'--100% yours and homegrown from between your ears. Troll much? You wouldn't happen to be a redhead, butch femme that worked for the SSA would you?
That you rely on low and petty loading of questions and statements ("He's supposed to react to this and do anything but laugh cos I'm so good at this passive aggressive digging, thang.") (They have hipster trolls now?) with asinine presumption is telling? Are we supposed to put on "Internet demonstration" as if your opinion could have some profound meaning outside your skin to motivate us so fervently?Quote:
It is curious that someone with your experience & knowledge has nothing to show for it.
P.S. The least of us have probably bested trolls and giants that lay turds bigger than any cruise ship you've ever ridden. At the least, thanks for the chuckles. *mutes*
Its rather obvious the thread is a "Reference Material" post for the posterity just like countless other posts. The readers are intelligent enough to make their own assessment of Alfred Adask's article and probably know how easy it is to contact him too.