Are these methods valid or are they Faulted

I will be redeeming my pay check in lawful money, as outlined by the graciuos suitors of this sight. I have also read The Redemption Manual and the Errant Soverign by Augustus Blackstone. Both have thier similarities and differences, and both were great reads. My question is< are either of these methods valid or are there faults to there method?

One method suggests that after un-registering as a voter and take over power of attorney of your SSA account, that you file a 1041 instead of a 1040 because a 1040 is for government employee, while the other states that after the first to steps that you simply refuse to sign the W-4 or simply file exempt. While I can see how both could work, the risk is great. Maybe using all three or a combination of the three

You bring up a great question!

I've been curious about this myself. Just stumbled across your thread while googling info about the 1040 vs. 1041. Have not seen much discussion regarding the use of the 1041 or the two books you mentioned.

I was not aware of The Errant Sovereign's Handbook, sounds interesting. Found a pdf copy at Bill Thornton's site http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/soverei...n-handbook.pdf

Thanks for your post. Maybe this bump will stir some feedback.

The Lesson Plan I offer is continually redacted to:

1) proper identity
2) record forming
3) redeem lawful money

I have been busy with some very interesting things in the brain trust and beyond. Sorry that your thread sat unattended for a month.

I have not read the Handbook you describe. I feel compelled to write a book someday soon. I feel that I should "arrive" first and the journey just keeps going and going...

I concur with David. Those who follow such (1,2,3) tend to have the most success and sooner.

A 1,2,3 step process i believe is good to learning some basics, but if that is what your doing your taking an extreme risk by using it for a real world application. Not only do you need the tools to receive the information, but you need tools to process the information to defend what was put in. A good balance between the 2 will get more mileage and more successes down the road. This also will eventually give you the legal intelligence to start venturing outside of the box for new solutions that not many others have done. Hope that helps you put together your next plan of action.

I am in the process of getting Bank of America to establish a lawful money account for me, specifying the terms of non-endorsement. Assuming I get this done (BofA is waffling, claiming they have 'never seen this' (surely BS), and that there is no 'signature sheet', but I expect to get past these issues. My question is this: when spending lawful money, no sales tax is allowed, but each vendor will want to argue this point. Has anyone asked the state Sales Tax Commission for an exemption number, which could be given to merchants so they are not responsible for the (unpaid) tax? Is there a better way to do this?

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

The Lesson Plan I offer is continually redacted to:

1) proper identity
2) record forming
3) redeem lawful money

I have been busy with some very interesting things in the brain trust and beyond. Sorry that your thread sat unattended for a month.

I have not read the Handbook you describe. I feel compelled to write a book someday soon. I feel that I should "arrive" first and the journey just keeps going and going...

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Yes David, you should write that book! Even if it's only those 3 chapters. I would buy a case-full.

Freed, rather than BofA it sounds like you are waffling. Just do it. You're entering a private contract, set the terms.
I had no problem, see here: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9007/bofasc.jpg
See at the top "Personal Signature Card with Substitute Form W-9"
Here's another: http://jesse2012.com/signcard.jpg
Do you have authority or not?

I disagree with your: when spending lawful money, no sales tax is allowed,
A vendor is allowed to ask for whatever he wants, including taxes that may not be owed.

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Originally Posted by Freed Gerdes

I am in the process of getting Bank of America to establish a lawful money account for me, specifying the terms of non-endorsement. Assuming I get this done (BofA is waffling, claiming they have 'never seen this' (surely BS), and that there is no 'signature sheet', but I expect to get past these issues. My question is this: when spending lawful money, no sales tax is allowed, but each vendor will want to argue this point. Has anyone asked the state Sales Tax Commission for an exemption number, which could be given to merchants so they are not responsible for the (unpaid) tax? Is there a better way to do this?

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I think you presume erroneously that lawful money excludes sales tax. As I understand sales tax it is a privilege to shop downtown in the "policed" district of commerce. The marketplace (downtown) was quite dangerous before municipal jurisdiction, both for carrying money and for getting home with your bought items.

Sales tax is for your safety by tradition. Of course municipal and state jurisdictions will mix this with the Federal Reserve as the central bank of the United States so I am speaking strictly in ideals.

P.S. By way of encouragement!



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Might be helpful to know that Bank of America is the official bank of the Organization of American States.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Might be helpful to know that Bank of America is the official bank of the Organization of American States.

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I am not sure how yet but I am sure you are correct; it will come in helpful.

Government debt as money seems more popular than ever.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

I am not sure how yet but I am sure you are correct; it will come in helpful.

Government debt as money seems more popular than ever.

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I'll endeavor to produce the memo/letter read or other proof.

Attachment 845

Attachment 846

Attachment 847

Some sources:

http://www.safeports.org/associate-member-application

http://www.sedi.oas.org/ddse/english...utions_PAD.asp

http://www.oas.org/en/ser/dia/moas/g..._your_copy.asp

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/press2002.../adv052201.htm

See attachment(s).

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Originally Posted by allodial

Might be helpful to know that Bank of America is the official bank of the Organization of American States.

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interesting that the last names listed on the OAS are also codified.

Thanks for all your prompt and encouraging replies. I visited B of A local branch and stated my demand to redeem lawful money. The agent, a 'Personal Banker' refused to find a signature card for the account, and advised me that 'they would study my request and get back to me.' I shall return and make my demand clearer. I am also making my demand to my stock broker, E*Trade, who maintains a linked bank account to my stock accounts, into which all funds from the sales of securities are automatically deposited. Since the linked account is at E*Trade's Federal Reserve bank division, the transfers become 'taxable income' being paid in Fed Notes. They wrote back, so I have proved that they got my demand, but they sort of denied it, by saying that they 'could not make the requested changes to my account agreement.' I have written back, pointing out that the only requirement in the account agreement is that funds deposited must be in US dollars, so no 'change' is required to use lawful money (still US dollars). I will post the letter chain when it is complete. On the sales tax issue, I interpreted the Constitutional law to mean that under public law only direct taxes could be levied, and they had to be assessed by Congress and apportioned to the states to collect. Congress has not levied a national sales tax, so it should not apply to lawful money, ie, these taxes must be levied under private law, and can be opted out of by using lawful money. Is this not correct?
PS to allodial: B of A is also leveraged about 1500 times their capital (due to huge derivatives position), so bankrupt about 100 times over...

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Originally Posted by Freed Gerdes

Thanks for all your prompt and encouraging replies. I visited B of A local branch and stated my demand to redeem lawful money. The agent, a 'Personal Banker' refused to find a signature card for the account, and advised me that 'they would study my request and get back to me.' I shall return and make my demand clearer. I am also making my demand to my stock broker, E*Trade, who maintains a linked bank account to my stock accounts, into which all funds from the sales of securities are automatically deposited. Since the linked account is at E*Trade's Federal Reserve bank division, the transfers become 'taxable income' being paid in Fed Notes. They wrote back, so I have proved that they got my demand, but they sort of denied it, by saying that they 'could not make the requested changes to my account agreement.' I have written back, pointing out that the only requirement in the account agreement is that funds deposited must be in US dollars, so no 'change' is required to use lawful money (still US dollars). I will post the letter chain when it is complete. On the sales tax issue, I interpreted the Constitutional law to mean that under public law only direct taxes could be levied, and they had to be assessed by Congress and apportioned to the states to collect. Congress has not levied a national sales tax, so it should not apply to lawful money, ie, these taxes must be levied under private law, and can be opted out of by using lawful money. Is this not correct?
PS to allodial: B of A is also leveraged about 1500 times their capital (due to huge derivatives position), so bankrupt about 100 times over...

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With your stock broker, you have proof you made your demand! Good going!

As with B of A; ease off about making your demand clearer until you get through this major issue. This is a matter of clawing through a lifetime of conditioning but there is an elephant in the room much larger than demanding lawful money.

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The agent, a 'Personal Banker' refused to find a signature card for the account...

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[Insert screeching needle on vinyl record.]

You have signed a contract with Bank of America and the agent refused to produce it to discuss? Why not?

Answer: Because you disclosed that you were going to demand lawful money on it.

Truth be told, if not for conditioning you would already have an exact copy of your Signature Card agreement at home in your records. If you like B of A and many suitors do, we have many examples and testimony here on the website, then simply request to review your Signature Card. The agent should pull it for you without any problem. Have a red ink pad and a stamp like this.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9...deemed100s.jpg

Put that on there near your signature. Tell the agent it is part of your signature.

[edit: Obviously! You will not be leaving without an exact copy this time, will you?]

Next Lesson:


If the agent gets upset do not react in kind. Do not offer to close the account, presuming you like BoA. If he starts getting all, I have to close your account. Keep telling him you are happy with BoA and do not want him to do that. He can change your account to a non-interest bearing account if he does not want to pay you for no benefit of fractional lending though. If he moves to close the account, I can nearly guarantee you he is wasting his time because he will be bluffing. He will give you something to sign, meaning he is asking you to close your account and you will take it from him for your records. He is breaking the law (Title 12) and you are taking it into evidence. He will likely agree to the signature card novation in order to get the evidence back from you.


Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. Even without Title 12 the Banking Code, it is bad business to chase away customers and against commercial fiduciary responsibility to BoA stockholders. For entertainment purposes you might carry an audio recorder and share.

EXCELLENT, David! Oh how they are crafty. Also watch out for the e-version of the signature card as the agent swivels his computer monitor to face you. Tell them you want to see the hard copy.

I have been non-endorsing checks at my local Suntrust bank with no issues (just funny looks at first), but my main job direct deposits. I did ask the bank for a copy of the signature card and they gave me a copy....could I just put my stamp on that and take it in?

This leads to another question though, my old signature card has my name as First M. Last. If we are to follow the directions given here, don't we have to change our signature to First M.? That would require a new account, correct?

What is the downside if we just continued using the our original signature.... First M. Last?

Thanks in advance.