Sky Serpents

For what its worth...

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Sky Serpents
The flying snakes that terrorised America!
Text: Jerome Clark / Images: Alex Tomlinson

One day in early 1833, a native chief approached two Western missionaries working on the Indonesian island of Sumatra to relate a bizarre experience. The chief, Tam Basar by name, swore that he and a companion had seen a snake flying through the air. Fearing that it was danger*ous, they killed it when it landed near them. When the missionaries expressed incredulity, the chief insisted that he was telling the truth. He added that the snake, 4ft (1.2m) long, had no wings, which to the listeners only made the story more far-fetched.

A year later, in January 1834, one of those missionaries, NM Ward, happened to be walking through a forest near the Pedang-Bessie River, a mile or so (1.6km) from the location where the flying snake had allegedly appeared. He and a companion stopped to study a particularly tall tree. Looking up, they were stunned to see a flying snake, exactly as described by the native informant. Four feet long and wingless, it was moving rapidly through the air from the tree they were standing under to another about 240ft (73m) away.

“Thus,” Ward wrote in the Missionary Herald of March 1841, “was I convinced of the existence of flying serpents; and, on inquiry, I found some of the natives, accustomed to the forest, aware of the fact.”

Ward went on to write that Dutch natur*alists working in the area didn’t believe him, any more than he had believed Tam Basar. The sceptics, however, were wrong. There are five species of “flying” snakes in South and Southeastern Asia; flying is in quotes because the creat*ures are actually gliding or parachuting. Herpetologists do not dispute their existence, and many photographs, films, and videos exist, as do collected specimens. What Ward saw, in other words, was nothing otherworldly.

But what about this?

In June 1873, a farmer identified as Mr Hardin, who lived a few miles east of Bonham, Texas, observed, along with workers in nearby fields, an “enormous serpent… as large and long as a telegraph pole… of a yellow striped colour”, in the words of the Bonham Enterprise. That would have been remarkable enough, except that this was floating in a cloud heading in an easterly direction. The witnesses “could see it coil itself up, turn over, and thrust forward its huge head as if striking at something, displaying the manœuvres of a genuine snake”.

At Fort Scott, Kansas, not long afterwards, at mid-morning on the 26th of the same month, two persons, unnamed but described as “reliable parties” willing to swear to it by affidavit, reported seeing a “huge serpent, apparently perfect in form” encircle the Sun. It was clearly visible for a short time, then vanished from sight.

The New York Times took note of the two stories in successive editions on 6 and 7 July. It called the Bonham sighting “the very worst case of delirium tremens on record”. In the following edition, noting the Kansas report in the wake of the equally implausible one from Texas, an editorial writer sputtered: “It will soon be time for a national prohibitory liquor law, if this sort of thing is to continue.” [More]

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Related:

• Baptist Magazine and Literary Review (1841), Volume 33, Pages 143 and 144
• Hidden Realms, Lost Civilizations, and Beings from Other Worlds
• Lightning Gods and Feathered Serpents: The Public Sculpture of El Tajín (The Linda Schele Series in Maya and Pre-Columbian Studies)

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Originally Posted by allodial

For what its worth...

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What's that in your tagline? --> "No value assured"

On a more serious note, I have no personal experiences w/ supernatural.....but do believe --> "There's more to life than meets the eye"

NASA Photo: Huge Snake Creature In The Sky

http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-scie...y-2441412.html

Sky Serpent UFO'S

2:35 he talks about the legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REf4yXL1LCE

Sky serpents in flight
Afternoon delight....

The dark eyed woman - rising - those who looked upon the Serpent that Moses RAISED up in the wilderness did not die!

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Honor thy Mother - El Shaddai - Wisdom

H6096
aw-tseh'

From H6095; the spine (as giving firmness to the body): - back bone.

Sky rockets in flight... great song without reference to serpents.

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It might be worth noting that 'reptile' (per etymology) is a general term for a "low order" creeping animal and the idea that "snake" or "serpentine" could have a variety of meanings across language even meaning something that extends or flows in a line or leaving a trail.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Sky rockets in flight... great song without reference to serpents.

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It might be worth noting that 'reptile' (per etymology) is a general term for a "low order" creeping animal and the idea that "snake" or "serpentine" could have a variety of meanings across language even meaning something that extends or flows in a line or leaving a trail.

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that of course would be the lower carnal meaning. The higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom.

The dictionary meaning and etymology of 'reptile' is 'crawling/creeping' things and that is "carnal meaning"? A rope being described as 'serpentine' is 'carnal'? Etymology is carnal? Interesting.

On the note of etymology. It seems that the Hebrew language is remarkably different from Greek language in that words for very different things can be similar because its more an 'active' or concrete language. Or, at least the way words are thought out is to knowledge very different.

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Consider the words "arc", "carriage", "cargo", "circle", "creek", "crack", "race" ..a Hebrew thought root might be along the lines of "it follows a defined path" ("arc"). Perhaps consider for a moment: "Nissan Pathfinder".) So seemingly unrelated things might have similar spellings: things burns when touched or that appear to be on fire or that glow glows as if they were on fire might have similar spelling--but might be rather unrelated beyond the base functional/active and concrete natures.

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Seraphim might glows as if afire--things that are aflame tend to be burning or appear to be burning might have similar spellings. A serpent's venom if it gets in your eye or in your blood burns (excruciatingly so I've heard). It might be said that Hebrew words tend to be rather 'active' or 'action oriented'. A serpent's venom burns while Seraphim might appear to be 'burning' or 'aflame' though Seraphim aren't necessarily dragons or snakes. The word 'serpent' at its root is 'burning' or 'aflame'. The word often translated for Sun is in Hebrew similar to the word 'shimmer'...which is a lot like Summer.

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For further edification: the word for shepherd is 'roeh' (resh - ayin - heh). Is not a racecar shepherded by its driver (droehver?) around the predefined path/track? You know like he-roe (like Superman or superhero). So if you follow a path, perhaps you shepherd your body. The Good Shepherd keeps those under his care away from dangers, away from snakes--i.e. keeps them on a defined path.

With arc, circle, etc. I allude to the Hebrew word orahh meaning a path followed by travelers. However, I also illustrates is relation to the word for shepherd and now the word for chauffered and chaperone. The 'hh' probably comes off as a hard 'c'. I suppose I can 'see across languages' when I read.

Someone might ask: "Can I borrow your 'it-is-guided'?" or "Can I borrow your I-shepherd-it?"

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It seems rather clear that the Hebrew etymological sense of the word 'serpent' is more of a focus on the burn (you know like getting 'burned' from a bad deal) from the venom rather than being much of a fixation on its reptilian nature. Venom (whether it comes out flaming or not) is important for a serpent to be able to eat (In the movie Jurassic Park, raptors would blind their prey with their venom). Perhaps that gets to the heart of why people who make rotten, scandalous deals are called 'snakes' (i.e. the victims get burned by the venom (ideas, lies, tongue-stuff of the perpetrator). The perpetrator gets to 'eat' from the takings. However, some people figure it out before its too late. No doubt, such experiences can lead to wisdom. Who on Earth would ever suggest the the 'snake' or 'conman' to be author of any wisdom gained?

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

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(Fear as in reverence.)

Re: Wisdom.
Could it be that wisdom comes from seeing that instead of living waters or life-giving waters flowing out of the Great Dragon's mouth out flows rivers of venom that blind and poison and bring about spiritual and/or physical death? Quite a contrast to rivers of living waters, no? Could it be that wisdom, rather than coming from the snake itself, might instead come from the experience or observations of the undesirable side effects of playing with snakes or other things that burn?

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Originally Posted by allodial

The dictionary meaning and etymology of 'reptile' is 'crawling/creeping' things and that is "carnal meaning"? A rope being described as 'serpentine' is 'carnal'? Etymology is carnal? Interesting.

On the note of etymology. The Hebrew language is remarkably different from Greek language in that words for very different things can be similar because its more an 'active' or concrete language. Or, at least the way words are thought out is to knowledge very different.

Consider the words "arc", "circle", "creek", "crack", "race" ..a Hebrew thought root might be along the lines of "it follows a defined path" ("arc"). So seemingly unrelated things might have similar spellings: things burns when touched or that appear to be on fire or that glow glows as if they were on fire might have similar spelling--but might be rather unrelated beyond the base functional/active and concrete natures. Seraphim might glows as if afire--things that are aflame tend to be burning or appear to be burning might have similar spellings. A serpent's venom if it gets in your eye or in your blood burns (excruciatingly so I've heard). Hebrew words tend to be rather 'active' or 'action oriented'. A serpent's venom burns while Seraphim might appear to be 'burning' or 'aflame' though Seraphim aren't necessarily dragons or snakes. The word 'serpent' at its root is 'burning' or 'aflame'. The word often translated for Sun is in Hebrew similar to the word 'shimmer'...which is a lot like Summer.

For further edification the word for shepherd is 'roeh' (resh - ayin - heh). Is not a racecar shepherded by its driver around the predefined path/track? You know like he-roe (like Superman or superhero). So if you follow a path, you shepherd your body. The Good Shepherd keeps those under his care away from dangers, away from snakes--i.e. keeps them on a defined path.

With arc, circle, etc. I allude to the Hebrew word orahh meaning a path followed by travellers. However, I also illustrates is relation to the word for shepherd and now the word for chauffered and chaperone. The 'hh' probably comes off as a hard 'c'. I suppose I can 'see across languages' when I read.

[The Hebrew etymological sense of serpent might be more of a focus you get burned by the (you know like from a making a bad deal) from the venom rather than being much of a fixation on its reptilian nature. Venom is important for a serpent to be able to eat. That's why people call people snakes (in reference to getting 'burned'/'serpented' who make rotten, scandalous deals).]

Re: Wisdom.
Could it be that wisdom comes from seeing that instead of living waters or life-giving waters flowing out of the Great Dragon's mouth out flows rivers of venom that blind and poison and bring about spiritual and/or physical death? Quite a contrast to rivers of living waters, no? Could it be that wisdom, rather than come from the snake itself, comes from the experience or observations of the nasty side effects of playing with snakes or other things that burn?

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Let's go shoot the bull or chew the fat or that was pie in the sky. Look those terms up and get back to me. Let me know if you need a gun to go hunting.

Flood of waters out of Dragons mouth are lies - carnal thoughts or 1/2 truths - Jacob's spotted cattle. Another idiom.

Fire as it were in the lower minds of mankind must be quenched by messengers from the Higher Mind.

Next to , owning nothing in the world, not the least thing, and then throwing myself in the water as tribute , I find most is that pleasure in speaking a foreign language our truth, preferably a living truth, in order to become estranged from ones self . Yet a man still remains unpopular who thinks a thought through to the end. That is why Christ was unpopular, notwithstanding he used no technical terms; for me to keep a hold of my 'ignorance' requires more vital effort than the whole biblical dogma that claims man,s poverty to be that very ignorance a man who has built a vast palace while he himself lives nearby in a barn; ignorance are matters of the spirit Spiritually, a man's thoughts must be in the building in which he lives—otherwise it's wrong last words of your enemy is the silence now of a friend. sky pilots wash there hands of it first then claim your ignorance.your welcome to follow but its what u feel in Christ not how anybody could follow Christ like any group. no one opens or closes for Christ

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

The dark eyed woman - rising - those who looked upon the Serpent that Moses RAISED up in the wilderness did not die!

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
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that of course would be the lower carnal meaning. The higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom.

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In context: the people were murmuring and speaking ill of God and Moses. The serpents bit them in judgment for PUNISHMENT. The reason they were healed upon looking at the brazen serpent IS BECAUSE OF FAITH--has nothing to do with the serpent representing wisdom. The non-living serpent put to death on the pole would more likely represent something like putting carnal mind or carnality to death or in check rather than wisdom coming from the serpent. The serpent as wisdom is error. The serpent's venom led to death even in the Garden of Eden ... it led to death in the wilderness. What isn't super obvious that serpents' venom can cause death. Forbidden knowledge is perhaps forbidden because it can be poisonous?

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And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. Numbers 21:6-9

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1. LORD says do something.
2. Moses obeys and in faith does it.
3. Moses' faith and obedience has the desired effect.

Seems to me that they are all under Moses' trusteeship. It was ALWAYS FAITH from Abraham through to Jesus Christ. The faith of the high priest can be powerful even when others might lack it.

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To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Acts 26:18 (Jesus)

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It was Moses' faith or the faith of the onlooker who believed that looking at the brazen serpent would have that effect if they were told. ALWAYS FAITH. The serpents that bit them seem to have been used for JUDGEMENT/DAMNATION rather than wisdom. God in his providence showed that he had power of recall the judgment (left hand). That is what that arrangement was. If you read the whole story, you'll see it was all about faith from end to end. It was FAITH rather than gnosis that saved them! The Brazen serpent was inanimate..so in a sense a 'dead snake' rather than a live one.

For those who don't quite get the point:

1. God said or promised something to Noah.
2. Noah believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Noah and others were saved through Noah's faith.

Reiterating:
1. God said or promised something to Moses.
2. Moses believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Many were saved through Moses' faith.

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Did gnosis or knowledge save Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve were told about tree of knowledge of good and evil and its side-effects. Did they beileve? Did they have faith in God? Did knowing/Gnosis save Adam and Eve or did it cause death of some kind? They knew right? The Serpent came with a lie contrary to God's promise, statement or warning. Who did they have faith in God or the Serpent? Serpent as wisdom is not found in the Bible. How can poison to your mind or soul or affairs be wisdom? While wisdom can be gleaned as an after effect playing with snakes, who in a sane mind can attribute wisdom to a snake, to snake venom or to a snakebite?

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Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:7

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Behold , I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luke 10:19

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Behold, I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions,.... Which may be literally understood, as in Mark 16:18, or figuratively of the devil, and his principalities and powers, and all his emissaries, who, for their craft and cunning, and for their poisonous and hurtful nature and influence, may be compared to serpents and scorpions.

...and nothing shall by any means hurt you. not the most hurtful and poisonous animals, nor the most malicious persecutors on earth, nor all the devils in hell: as the former venomous creatures, when took up in their hands, should not hurt, their bodies; so the other, whatever they might be permitted to do with respect to their lives, and outward estate, should never hurt their souls, and the eternal welfare of them; nor even hinder the work of God prospering in their hands (From Gill's commentaries)

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If serpents and scorpions represent wisdom, of what use would be the power to tread or trample on wisdom?

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They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:18

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Hmm seems very, very familiar (see Numbers 21:6-9 above) for some reason.

Related commentaries re: serpents:

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...shall be enabled to give, when such a proof may be serviceable to the cause of truth, this evidence of their being continually under the power and protection of God, and that all nature is subject to him.

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Faith is the substance of things hoped for.

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Originally Posted by allodial

In context: the people were murmuring and speaking ill of God and Moses. The serpents bit them in judgment for PUNISHMENT. The reason they were healed upon looking at the brazen serpent IS BECAUSE OF FAITH--has nothing to do with the serpent representing wisdom. The non-living serpent put to death on the pole would more likely represent something like putting carnal mind or carnality to death or in check rather than wisdom coming from the serpent. The serpent as wisdom is error. The serpent's venom led to death even in the Garden of Eden ... it led to death in the wilderness. What isn't super obvious that serpents venom cause death. Forbidden knowledge is perhaps forbidden because it can be poisonous?



1. LORD says do something.
2. Moses obeys and in faith does it.
3. Moses' faith and obedience has the desired effect.

Seems to me that they are all under Moses' trusteeship. It was ALWAYS FAITH from Abraham through to Jesus Christ. The faith of the high priest can be powerful even when others might lack it.



It was Moses' faith or the faith of the onlooker who believed that looking at the brazen serpent would have that effect if they were told. ALWAYS FAITH. The Serpent was used for JUDGEMENT/DAMNATION not wisdom. God in his providence showed that he had power of recall the judgment (left hand). That is what that arrangement was. If you read the whole story, you'll see it was all about faith from end to end. It was faith rather than KNOWLEDGE or GNOSIS that saved them!

The Brazen serpent was inanimate..so in a sense a 'dead snake' rather than a live one.

For those who don't quite get the point:

1. God said or promised something to Noah.
2. Noah believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Noah and others were saved through Noah's faith.

Reiterating:
1. God said or promised something to Moses.
2. Moses believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Many were saved through Moses' faith.

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Faith is only for the one who does not know.

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

Faith is only for the one who does not know.

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If you fail to believe what you know or in what you are told then what good is it? If someone truthfully were to say that there is a blazing comet falling from the sky headed for your house and you laugh and mock them. All the knowing would do you little good (i.e. in that case the equation might be knowing + doubt + zero works/action resulting in death, loss or injury). If you were to look through a skylight and see this ball of fire drawing closer and closer, but you simply shrugged and laughed "Its an illusion. Its not real." All the knowing still would not save you.

Without faith in the subject matter, knowledge might be like dust (for a scientist, a gardener, a pilot, an engineer, a baker, etc.). In the Garden of Eden story, what was the serpent destined to feast on? Who was the serpent destined to be at enmity with? The seed of the woman (the "Isaacs").

Adam and Even *knew* about the consequences of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They KNEW. Did knowing save them from the consequences?

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Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 9:41

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Perhaps serpent venom in the eyes or perhaps in the mind could cause blindness. Even Jesus in his mercy and compassion left a door open for the Pharisees. It takes humility sometimes to admit to blindness, error, insanity, not being as wise or intelligent as one might like to believe oneself to be--a humility that can be very much worth it in the end.

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Originally Posted by allodial

If you fail to believe what you know or in what you are told then what good is it? If someone truthfully were to say that there is a blazing comet falling from the sky headed for your house and you laugh and mock them. All the knowing would do you little good (i.e. in that case the equation might be knowing + doubt + zero works/action resulting in death, loss or injury). If you were to look through a skylight and see this ball of fire drawing closer and closer, but you simply shrugged and laughed "Its an illusion. Its not real." All the knowing still would not save you.

Without faith in the subject matter, knowledge might be like dust (for a scientist, a gardener, a pilot, an engineer, a baker, etc.). In the Garden of Eden story, what was the serpent destined to feast on? Who was the serpent destined to be at enmity with? The seed of the woman (the "Isaacs").

Adam and Even *knew* about the consequences of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They KNEW. Did knowing save them from the consequences?



Perhaps serpent venom in the eyes or perhaps in the mind could cause blindness. Even Jesus in his mercy and compassion left a door open for the Pharisees. It takes humility sometimes to admit to blindness, error, insanity, not being as wise or intelligent as one might like to believe oneself to be--a humility that can be very much worth it in the end.

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Those who know and do anyways are discoursed hereinafter:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


The sensuous carnal nature [Ishmael] is always at war with the spiritual nature [Issac]. But if you must have an external serpent then so be it.

Regards,
MJ

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

Faith is only for the one who does not know.

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Do you claim to know all there is to know? If not, you must still have faith, no?

Can anyone here claim to know enough as to discard faith? Please, make yourself known.

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Originally Posted by Michael Joseph

The sensuous carnal nature [Ishmael] is always at war with the spiritual nature [Issac]. But if you must have an external serpent then so be it.

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Your affinity or need for serpents isn't mine. I'm unaware of 'must having' any serpents. Jesus wasn't equated with the serpent. Its the method by which faith was used for deliverance that would run a parallel. The precedent was set for that type of faith-activated intercession with the wilderness story. The point was not to equate Jesus with a serpent.

In the wilderness, they asked Moses to pray for them--they didn't pray themselves. (Related term: Intercession, mediation.)

Also in one thread that you put the Isaacs (the church) to death and yet now you say Isaac represents "the spiritual nature". Puzzling.

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Originally Posted by allodial

Your affinity or need for serpents isn't mine. I'm unaware of 'must having' any serpents. Jesus wasn't equated with the serpent. Its the method by which faith was used for deliverance that would run a parallel. The precedent was set for that type of faith-activated intercession with the wilderness story. The point was not to equate Jesus with a serpent.

In the wilderness, they asked Moses to pray for them--they didn't pray themselves. (Related term: Intercession, mediation.)

Also in one thread that you put the Isaacs (the church) to death and yet now you say Isaac represents "the spiritual nature". Puzzling.

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Yes Isaac was birthed not in the flesh but I was willing to put to death my religion and it was restored unto me with understanding.

Mostly I hear from religionists goes a bit like this: ribbit, ribbit

I am sorry it puzzles you. Thank you for caring about me.


Shalom
MJ

"The Higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom"

From the writings of Annie Besant...

"The truth of the Hermetic maxim, "Demon est Deus inversus" is borne in upon us when the Church lifts before our eyes the figure of the great "Angel of Darkness", and we see that his symbols are the same as those of the Christ. Satan has been painted as man's direst foe, as his adversary and accuser, his tempter and would-be destroyer; Christ is represented as the very antithesis of this; as man's most compassionate friend, as his helper and defender, his guide and would-be redeemer.

How, then, comes it that two characters so diverse bear the same symbols, are presented under the same image ? Lucifer is the Son of the Morning, the star falling from heaven; Christ is the bright and morning Star. Lucifer is the Dragon, the Serpent, twined round the Tree of Knowledge; Christ is the Serpent lifted on the Cross, the Tree of Life. The characteristic attribute of the Serpent — Wisdom — gives us the key of the allegory, for both are types of the human mind, of the double-faced entity, by which alike we fall and rise. For the Star that fell is our Divine Ego, that was the bearer to animal man of the heavenly light, Lucifer, light-bearer, in very truth.

And entering into man, it became indeed his tempter, for the very powers it brought made such evil possible as the animal could never know and, united in man with animal desire, it brought memory and subtlety of enjoyment, and anticipation of renewal, and so became man's ever present tempter, plunging him [Page 14] into evil in its search for sensation and for experience of material life. And then it became his accuser, when evil brought suffering, and sensation brought satiety, and ignorant desire worked out into pain; for it accused the body as its deluder when itself had guided the body, and the man of flesh had been but the instrument of the thinking man.

Thus was the Ego the bringer of disharmony, for its own will ruled it and it was ignorant in matter, and blindly eager for experience, and its ignorance and eagerness wrought for pain and hence for its education. And then it began to turn its face upward instead of downward, and to aspire to the Divine instead of seeking for the brute, until striving ever towards the Spirit it lifted animal man from animality, and became his redeemer instead of his tempter, his purifier instead of his degrader. For as intellect materialized is Satan, so is intellect spiritualized the Christ, and therefore is it that both bear the same symbols, and the Fallen Angel becomes the Angel of Light."

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Lucifer to knowledge was the name or title given to a Babylonian king or perhaps to a king of Tyre. It has been suggested that thematically Babylonian kings and/or the king of Tyre were alluded in texts that are said to refer to Lucifer or Satan. It is said that back in the days of Jericho and Joshua, systems of "god kings" where imposed in some areas such that these "god kings" would hold themselves out in place of God and aiming to rule over people in that way--even making up their own religion or history to go along with. From what I gather, Lucifer or one or more kings of Babylon or Tyre attempted to usurp a position. If someone attempts to take on a position of authority that they aren't ready and their taking that position could have disastrous effects, then a higher authority might set out to thwart such. Jericho had a meaning like "temple of the moon". The kings in those days were actually holding themselves out to BE GOD rather than point to God. You can get an idea of their doctrine from the way Nebuchadnezzar acted, he wanted them to BOW DOWN TO HIM. Rather than the king pointing to God or pointing to Christ, the king thought himself to be all in all. It might be best to see the Morning Star as like an "office".

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And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4-5

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Adam was also in the Garden. So was Eve. So was the serpent. The serpent suggested that they "shall be as gods" should they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And interestingly enough the King of Tyre claiming to be God. Did the king of Tyre maybe eat some fruit from the same tree?

It doesn't seem that the brazen serpent was a type of Jesus. It was made by Moses. It was crafted out of bronze/brass. The whole matter demonstrated priestly intervention and faith as a means of salvation. Remember, the Israelites had spent time in Egypt and just maybe were influenced by idol worship so perhaps God was aiming to work with them out of mercy. They didn't pray to God --Moses prayed and Moses responded with faith.

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Even if the Golden Calf symbolized something, worshiping the symbol wasn't the point was it? I got the impression of a type of probation period being in effect. People busily exalting and profiting from legalism miss that point!

From analysis, in the book of Joshua, Jericho seemed more like the embodiment of a religious system. I just don't get why people try to flake everything out into mere symbolism. Shall we simply say the beheadings in the Middle East are merely symbolic--that they aren't really cutting people's heads off? But instead saying "That it represents the higher mind being free of the lower natures?" Seriously? Shall we pretend that real world child sacrifice and child trafficking is all some 'Gnostic allegory' to ponder but that its not really, really babies being burned alive or murdered ritually among other things? Was the brown-skinned male who got hung from a tree for saying hello to a pale-skinned female back in the 50s that hanging on a tree just an allegory--it didn't' really happen its just "symbolic": "Nah it didn't really happen its just symbolic of the 'carnal natures' being raised from the mundane with the intervention and assistance of 2nd and 3rd day pre-carnal creations and Natures which help bring his foundations to a higher plane giving them wings (symbolized by swaying feet) so that he may travel loftier paths." Umm...seriously?

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The story of Joshua & co. taking Jericho seems to be more about putting a type of religious system to an end. God wasn't being mean. He afforded approximately five hundred years of patience and mercy. He was putting an end to terrible tyranny: slaughter of innocents and filthy, vile and nasty things men did because they set out to exalt themselves above all else and hold themselves out as God all in all and in there excuses themselves from restraint on doing things that were terrible. Blocking the exits and ensaring captives so that they could fill their bellies with souls? Such self-ordained "god kings" may have been casting shadows, causing blockages where they ought not? Maybe God was seeking to put an end to such depravity?

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Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Ezekiel 33:11

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All of the apologists for darkness and vileness seem to fail to point this: that God doesn't take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. Vlad the Impaler took pleasure in what he did according to the record. These serpents aren't symbolic of wisdom, they are archetypes of those who have some engrossed in the carnal and who have shut off God while claiming to be gods and who embark upon embracing the vilest of depravities while holding themselves to be a law unto themselves. From observation, some of the modern day two-legged dragons take pleasure in what they do too. They try to make God to be a "bad guy" while aiming to conceal what they really are up do when they suspect no one else is looking. I'm not talking about things done consensually, but the injurious things they do to innocents and to the righteous. My observation has been that they grow bored in their own company and so seek victims to ensnare.

I have met a few Theosophists and, sadly, with such encounters such came undeniable proof that two-legged serpents really do exist--the hatred for God, the disdain for purity and innocence, the terrible things they did to children all because they exalted themselves to status of supreme being in their own heads--add in a sense of entitlement from "Racial Supremacy" or the like and I had never encountered such who could be so befitting of being referred to as "depraved monsters" (even their own family members swayed in terror by them).

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Advocates are members of the Faculty of Advocates and have status akin to that of Barristers in England & Wales. The Faculty of Advocates was founded in 1532 as an independent body of lawyers. They have usually been solicitors in private practice or in public office prior to calling to the Scottish Bar.

The period of training an Advocate undertakes is called 'Deviling". This is a period of at least 9 months where the Advocate in training (Devil) attends formal training seminars, shadows practising members of Faculty and is required to pass numerous Faculty exams in order to be deemed fit to call as an Advocate.

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Two hands of God were referred to in the NT: the left and the right. Relevantly, the person holding the office of a County Prosecutor might outside of his workplace be your best friend. But once he dons the mask of the office of Prosecutor or Judge Advocate, might not be so friendly? That role he plays might have its place. But if that same prosecutor decides to become a law unto himself and make his own rules while ignoring higher authorities--well consider Nebuchadnezzar aiming to get the three boys to worship him and failing that to burn them alive. Oh but "nooooooooooooooooo--that doesn't happen", "no one ever does that"--"its only symbolic".

Just as examples: As for the roles of Adversary, Prosecutor or Devil and those who embody such roles, how can anyone change the purpose and intent of the office into something else? Even the modern day prosecutor doesn't write books on how to stay out of jail, he is aiming to profit from putting folks in jail or from collecting revenue.

Per Ephesians chapters 1 and 2 Jesus and the saints are seated at the right hand. From scriptures, one might infer the Tree of Life to be at the right hand of God. If so, then where might the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil be? If you have a garden full of plants and one causes death to eat thereof: can it be anything other than poisonous?

From what I recall, certain of the "Native Americans" had a notion of good and evil coming from separate emanations or branches of creation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d921M-ACMM4
On the extreme, the serpent aimed to feast on its prey. The underlying theme seems to be about kings who would go so far as to believe themselves to be God all in all and through and through to the extent of great tyranny (reminiscent of King of Tyre, no?) and injury even to the saints (Nebuchadnezzar tried to burn three of them. Only symbolic? Tell that to the Syrians who won't worship Bashar Hafez al-Assad).

P.S. The Hebrew word (Nahesh) translated to serpent in Genesis sounds a lot like Nagas. The term "Nagas" is suggested to have been used as a title used for KINGS or SERPENT KINGS.

P.S. #2 The Hebrew word translated 'dust' in Genesis might also be translated as 'rubbish'.

seems similar to other hearsay Ive encountered about the fish falling from the sky. (also FWIW LOL)

related to that story is the Tiamat collision theory, suspended animation of lifeforms (frozen) in something like an asteroid belt or comet trail and when it nears earths atmosphere, the frozen life forms re-animate while falling from the sky.


there is large granite formations that have natural bowl shaped indention's scattered on the surfaces that form small ponds during extended rainy seasons but remain dry for years at a time until then.

I have first hand knowledge of this phenom. with no water source other than excessive rain, small fish appear in these spots of water later in the wet/warm season from seemingly no where!

Ive seen this only twice in my lifetime when the conditions were perfect for it to happen. its quite incredible. I dont think they fall from the sky but it may be from dried eggs or something similar that stays as residue when the water all evaporates.

these places go for years without enough rain to form the small ponds, then if we get excessive spring and summer rainfall amounts. the small fish are back!

Im sure I could make an explanation for this phenom using only the bible if I had a good enough reason too ;-)

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The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

- Matthew 10:24

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Yes Isaac was birthed not in the flesh but I was willing to put to death my religion and it was restored unto me with understanding.

Mostly I hear from religionists goes a bit like this: ribbit, ribbit

I am sorry it puzzles you. Thank you for caring about me.


Shalom
MJ

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Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

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...for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

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An exhortation to being shrewd/cunning in a dangerous circumstance. Doesn't make serpents any special source of wisdom. Its like saying "you know how those two-legged snakes are when it comes to being mindful of their own interests or objectives...in this dangerous setting be shrewd and mindful as they are but yet be harmless as doves because they will set out to turn any and everything against you."

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43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

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Wisdom and light are shed forth on both the just and the unjust.

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An exhortation to being shrewd/cunning in a dangerous circumstance. Doesn't make serpents any special source of wisdom. Its like saying "you know how those two-legged snakes are when it comes to being mindful of their own interests or objectives...in this dangerous setting be shrewd and mindful as they are but yet be harmless as doves because they will set out to turn any and everything against you."

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Wisdom and light are shed forth on both the just and the unjust.

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Exactly an allegory as it were. This is why i condemn religion. It is tribal in its nature. Wars are fought and are being fought over whose war God is right. it is a grave sickness. Reference The Secret book of James. Jesus talking.

In absurdity of literalism- the talking snake said to Eve "hey Eve baby wanna get it on"?

Shalom
MJ