Thank you Walter. I hope you have a clean kill and a freezer-full!
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Me too! Walter?
Could somebody please PM Mr. MOOSE?
No moose got me yet.
And I hope they never do.
What part do you want to discuss LearnTheLaw?
Who would have thought that a NAME could get so complicated in red tap?
Glad to hear that you're not hanging out in some moose's freezer, can't say the same for the moose though...LOL
I was curious about the answers to the questions below when I posted earlier [still am if you can].
the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,
i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,
But then I re-read your post and I saw this
but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
i think it will answer your question,
so off I go to read that thread.
Thanks
Only originals can be recorded.
That's why a cop will never give you the original ticket to you when you ask for it, he gives you a carbon copy.
Same as courts. They only record original documents.
The SOLB is ON file. Not IN file.
One mandate of vital stats agents is to file and secure the originals.
So they can only issue and delivery certified copies.
The SOLB is a "certified true copy of a registration document".
The BC is a "certified extract from the registration of birth".
So with out the registration document (SOLB) there can be no BC.
Do you see why they can never give you the original SOLB?
It is the foundation document. All government documents like the BC, DL, passport, etc is built on the SOLB foundation.
If the foundation is removed the house falls down.
The SOLB is not a registration of the NAME or PERSON. It is a registration of the event of the birth.
It is the closest document we have that can be used to identify our body's deed.
It is the closest document we have that says we are alive.
BUT have we claimed it as such?
On New Year day I remember that the tv would always show the movie Ben Hur.
Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ is an 1880 novel by American general and author Lew Wallace.
What sticks in my head is the 1959 version when Charlton Heston is going to commit suicide but first frees his slaves.
He has them all lined up and one after the other they come to him and he hands each one a scroll of paper and says "your free".
What did he hand them that can do that?
It doesn't even really register the event of the birth.
It is the date the registration was made which may be different than one's true date of birth.
To register, according to William Thornton, is to bring something foreign into a jurisdiction.
If someone or something is internal to the jurisdiction, enrollment is what is requested.
Furthermore, no one alive knows their date of birth. Only third parties could testify to such an event.
When you give a data of birth, you are giving a confession or declaration, not first hand knowledge.
You are sprung from Hur, the associate of Joshua. You may study for yourself--take the Torah, and search the Book of Numbers, and of the seventy-two generations after Adam, you can find the very father of your house.
Hello all, I am wondering if anybody might explain how to collapse a trust?
Winston Shrout mentions that by removal of the value in the trust, it collapses? I struggle to see how that might be done with the initial trust? also I 'think' he mentions that if the trustee is assigned to become also the beneficiary it collapses?
It occurred to me while reading this thread, that another approach might be to get "your mother" (grantor) to affirm an affidavit stating additional (or maybe existing and previously unstated?) rules to the trust that limit the trustees capability to make adhesion contracts for the beneficiary? I am sure there must a heap of subtle changes that could be made in this regard that would change the whole ball game for us all?
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could comment on how to collapse a trust? I believe I remember Winston Shrout speaking of making the trustee the beneficiary in one approach, and in another, removing the corpus of the trust. With this in mind, can anyone comment on how this might be applied to the original trust?
Another thing which only now occurs to me is, the birth certificate trust is effectively from the mother as grantor. Soooooo, what about getting your mother to write up an affidavit that redefines the way that the trustee runs that trust? Effectively it could be a "good faith adhesion contract from the its inception, nunc pro tunc", or maybe 'only' a 'further stipulation' from this point as to the rules of the constructive trust?
best of luck to all.
Hello lft, welcome to the forum.
Not sure what kind of trust you have in mind exactly, but as far as the BC is concerned, I've noticed that it loses its significance if you don't use it.
Without a currently valid DL, residential address, voter registration, passport, bank account, car insurance, etc, the BC loses its significance and cannot be used by government agencies to "identify" a wo/man, AFAIK.
Style of NAME /Name ALL CAPS or John James its never a stretch for the Justice of Peace send a NAMED Summons and Warrants in upper lower case for Common Law trick for Speeding trial or hybrid indictments for more serious fines and penalty 60 miles per hr daytime 55 at night that 5 or 30 per hr over is STYLED NEVER UPPER LOWER a Re-venue unless a injured party suffers the Style and Case will be painfully as HYBRID NIGHT HYBRID DAY IF Named causing bodily harm or fraud Lawfully Judge will add this to any Lawful Name guilty or innocent regardless my point is offers are offences needing payment.Lawful Verdicts will be Sentenced Warrants and Writs. True Name goes to true court a Suitor defends his reputation as the Man and his Name is. Not your NAME is that you.
Thank you! I repaired Post 17.