Where to start?

[cmm4191]

The Notice and Demand is effective notification. The amount of evidence you want to present to the IRS is up for debate. Doug is minimalist and some suitors document the 1040 extensively. The Libel of Review as a counterclaim clearly makes a claim and you issue a true judgment too. Issue of such process seems to validate the 'diversity of citizenship' issue quite clearly for the suitor. It stands as a basis for Refusal for Cause.

I read about me over on Lost Horizons - Pete's Cracking the Code website. He coined a term for this, what we do over here. It did not make any sense to me so I forget, like trying to memorize a quote in a foreign language...

So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?

[JohnnyCash]

So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?

Are you from Salem?

[doug555]

Are you from Salem?

which witch is which? you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) that:
"lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

See here for more info.

[ag maniac]

.....See here for more info.

....in the middle of that page-link

.....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.

I've been meaning to ask this question....

I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?

[doug555]

Quote Originally Posted by doug555
.....See here for more info.

....in the middle of that page-link

.....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.

I've been meaning to ask this question....

I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?

VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

IMO.

Does that sound right to you?

[ag maniac]

That sounds right doug.....& I've always understood the rationale about making LM demands on purchase transactions to build/supplement evidence relating to all/any other LM demands. As I mentioned on another post for people w/ direct deposit, should they feel inclined, they can message their bank via the computer account interface regarding LM & direct deposits....print it out before sending the message for one's own evidence.

thanx !

[ag maniac]

Moxie, possibly to clarify for you, I posed a similar question to doug555 on another thread, and his reply follows:

VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

IMO.

Does that sound right to you?

However, I sense you may be inquiring about legal and equitable titles being merged into your possession simply by using LM and Full Discharge to purchase things. It all seems to check out on paper and in theory, BUT they get to presume whatever it is they want.

They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.

[Moxie]

Thank you, Maniac

I don't have a mortgage or car payment, and never plan to, but my question helps me explore the boundaries of lawful money better.

Especially for the benefit of others with house and car payments who are looking for relief.

[Chex]

They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.

Hold them (whoever) accountable and make it well know in a court of law and use the media.

[cmm4191]

which witch is which? you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) that:
"lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

See here for more info.

It still feels like i am missing something , is there anything else i should do? I feel like i am missing something is there better ways to document prove the use of lawful money. should i also file something with my county to make sure to tie up any lose ends?


I have most of the steps down : write lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 usc 411 , 95a (2) on my paychecks .write down on line 21 of the 1040 lawful money reduction , and write out a supporting schedule , and staple copies of all my checks with the supporting schedule , and a copy of title 12 united states code section 411 to the 1040 . if i am missing something please let me know , thanks.

also i feel like if i sign my legal name to the checks it could be a problem for me i was thinking about signing my true name but signing it really sloppy to trick the teller into believing it was my legal name could this work ?

Also where does it state lawful money cannot be taxed? I should probably print out that law too and attach to my 1040