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[cmm4191]

See this post, and 1040-Relief.

Thanks for the good read, i believe i understand the full process better now . Can you correct me if i am wrong?

First write on the back of my pay check lawful money and full discharge for all transactions 12 usc 411 and 95 a (2) then make copies of all my pay checks for proof.

Then when its time to fill out my 1040 simply write in line 21 demand for lawful money reduction , and write my gross income for the year on line 21

Then write a supporting schedule demand for lawful money, listing my net pay , and all the taxes the irs has taken out. Then list my gross pay. While listing a copy of title 12 United states code section 411.

Then i should receive a full refund , am i missing something?

[doug555]

Thanks for the good read, i believe i understand the full process better now . Can you correct me if i am wrong?

First write on the back of my pay check lawful money and full discharge for all transactions 12 usc 411 and 95 a (2) then make copies of all my pay checks for proof.

Then when its time to fill out my 1040 simply write in line 21 demand for lawful money reduction , and write my gross income for the year on line 21

Then write a supporting schedule demand for lawful money, listing my net pay , and all the taxes the irs has taken out. Then list my gross pay. While listing a copy of title 12 United states code section 411.

Then i should receive a full refund , am i missing something?

NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.

[cmm4191]

NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.

In one of the example schedules you sent me net pay is listed , but you told him to change it to regular pay. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...g-Lawful-Money

Also should i not sign the back of the check? and what if the bank makes me sign it before cashing it?

[doug555]

In one of the example schedules you sent me net pay is listed , but you told him to change it to regular pay. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...g-Lawful-Money

Also should i not sign the back of the check? and what if the bank makes me sign it before cashing it?

1. Gross Pay (regular pay) is a separate TRANSACTION. It also happens to be the basis for all derivative separate TRANSACTIONS.

2. IMO, the BACK of the check is PRIVATE. It belongs to "them". Sign it the way they want it signed. The FRONT of the check is PUBLIC, and contains the demand statement.

IMO, since 12 USC 411 is worded to allow 'redemption", and not "prevention", of FRNs, this implies that an unrestrictive endorsement is required on the back of a check.

[cmm4191]

1. Gross Pay (regular pay) is a separate TRANSACTION. It also happens to be the basis for all derivative separate TRANSACTIONS.

2. IMO, the BACK of the check is PRIVATE. It belongs to "them". Sign it the way they want it signed. The FRONT of the check is PUBLIC, and contains the demand statement.

IMO, since 12 USC 411 is worded to allow 'redemption", and not "prevention", of FRNs, this implies that an unrestrictive endorsement is required on the back of a check.

Oh , okay so signing my name on the back of the check has no affect on redeeming lawful money.


Thank you , you have been very helpful to me. The only thing that has me slightly confused is the schedule example you have shown me. Why would the gross pay, and all the taxes that have been taken out be added up then put on line 21 for gross pay deduction ? why wouldn't it be just all the taxes taken out for the year added up and put on line 21. forgive me as see i am very young and just moved out on my own and this is my first year i have to fill out a tax return on my own , i never filled out a 1040 before . Thanks

[doug555]

Oh , okay so signing my name on the back of the check has no affect on redeeming lawful money.


Thank you , you have been very helpful to me. The only thing that has me slightly confused is the schedule example you have shown me. Why would the gross pay, and all the taxes that have been taken out be added up then put on line 21 for gross pay deduction ? why wouldn't it be just all the taxes taken out for the year added up and put on line 21. forgive me as see i am very young and just moved out on my own and this is my first year i have to fill out a tax return on my own , i never filled out a 1040 before . Thanks

1. Correct

2. Because BOTH lawful money redemption and private credit monetiization are TRANSACTION-BASED.
See http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ighlight=10099, especially http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post10386 and http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post10401

[cmm4191]

1. Correct

2. Because BOTH lawful money redemption and private credit monetiization are TRANSACTION-BASED.
See http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ighlight=10099, especially http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post10386 and http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post10401

thank you , i understand better now.

[salsero]

NO, write ot on FRONT... NOT BACK.
NO, line 21 amount comes from the Schedule. Follow example exactly.
NO, GROSS pay, not NET pay. Follow example exactly. This is TRANSACTION-BASED.
You must pro-rate the amount if you did not start demands on or before 1/1/13.
IMO.

What happens if you wrote the non-endorsement on the back ONLY?

[fano24chevy]

Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

Thank you Jesus!

[David Merrill]

Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

Thank you Jesus!

The Notice and Demand is effective notification. The amount of evidence you want to present to the IRS is up for debate. Doug is minimalist and some suitors document the 1040 extensively. The Libel of Review as a counterclaim clearly makes a claim and you issue a true judgment too. Issue of such process seems to validate the 'diversity of citizenship' issue quite clearly for the suitor. It stands as a basis for Refusal for Cause.

I read about me over on Lost Horizons - Pete's Cracking the Code website. He coined a term for this, what we do over here. It did not make any sense to me so I forget, like trying to memorize a quote in a foreign language...