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  1. #41
    Here is the voluntary debt servitude scheme in capsule form:

    Colonel Edward Mandell House is attributed with giving a very detailed outline of the plans to be implemented to enslave the American people. He stated, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson (President 1913 - 1921),

    Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that's your children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency.
    Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges.
    They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges.
    This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation(USA) to foment this plot against America. -

    The pledging thing runs afoul of the Constitution and the 13th Amendment, so they had to make it voluntary, but to make sure everyone volunteered, they plied the media with rumors and misinformation, implying that one could not work without a Social Security number. Then they constructed the agreement with implied consent, guessing correctly that few Americans would study the law enough to figure out what they were doing. Since that time they have also been working hard to eliminate the common law, as it contains those nasty unalienable rights, and the sheeple are hard to manage when they believe they have rights not given to them by government. The whole purpose of this scheme (besides banker profits) was/is to get the public to believe that the government is above the people (a benevolent parent, a God substitute), whereas the Constitution was purposely written to make it clear that the people are above the government. A switcheroo in the battle for the money power.


  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post

    This is in perfect accordance with the principle set down by the Messiah when confronted about taxes.

    Read Mt 22:15-21 and notice especially that it had to do with the "image" on the currency.

    The One Dollar Bill has 2 images (authorization/ownership seals) on it - Federal Reserve (LEFT) and The Department of the Treasury (RIGHT).

    We are choosing the image on the RIGHT when demanding lawful money for all transactions per 12 USC 411.

    The DEFAULT choice is the image on the LEFT, and requires a usage fee (tax) to the god of mammon (Caesar), and rightly so per Mt 22:21.

    Daniel 4:17 shows "...That the Most High is Ruler over the realm of mankind."

    Consequently, I believe that the true AUTHORITY behind 12 USC 411 is the Most High - not Congress, not even the Executive Branch.

    Mt 4:4 says we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord.

    Mt 22:20-21 is THE RULE that all the host in heaven and earth must abide by now.

    The Eternal has always enabled us to make a CHOICE (Deut 30:15,19). Today, that choice is right in front of us on every dollar bill.

    Make the "RIGHT" choice. Choose to Demand Lawful Money for all transactions.

    Put your choice on the record - by substantive evidence on normal business transactions and/or by a public recorded Declaration.

    I am looking forward to your new Lessons at, David, so that many more will learn how to make this "RIGHT" choice!

    P.S. This same choice may apply to CREDIT vs DEBIT cards??? Hmmmm...... Is DEBIT card the RIGHT choice too???

    P.S. See this folder for a PDF copy to be used as a flyer/handout.

    I was at a friend of mines coin shop today and I was looking at a 1966 100 dollar US Note and it only had 1 seal on it while the FRN had both on it.

    The silver certificates also had 1 seal only on it

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Freed Gerdes View Post
    The corporate PERSON exists in a world of legalities, equal with all other corporate entities. Being fictional, it exists everywhere; it has no need to hide. You as accommodation agent get to give power to your corporate person, and also to protect it from contracts not to your benefit. So who wants to serve process on your corporate person? Someone in contract with you who claims that you are in dishonor? If you are not in contract, you can refuse for cause. If you are in contract, you must answer for the contracts you have entered. Your natural human person also must live in honor, so this is not just a legality, it is the basis of moral behavior. "Do all you say you will do, and do not infringe on others." This is the whole law. Live in honor and you should have no problem avoiding legalities. As MJ says, everything you do outside your estate is illegal. We do not have to be burdened with all these codes, rules, regulations, and municipal laws (administered under the UCC, Lex Mercatoria, contract law). These municipal laws (laws written by/for the corporation) only apply to the corporation's officers and employees, not to natural persons (Rodriquez v Ray Donovan, 1985). So just keep out of contract with the Federal government. The social security agreement is not a contract; SS is a welfare program and it is voluntary. The words of art used to get free men to volunteer for debt slavery is the definition of 'US citizen,' which through a series of distant and convoluted definitions, means that you have chosen to domicile your corporate person in Washington, DC, the only place in the US where the corporate federal government has exclusive jurisdiction. But the structure of the SS agreement (SS-5) falls under this SC ruling:

    "Any false representation of material facts made with knowledge of falsity and with intent that it shall be acted on by another in entering into contract,
    and which is so acted upon, constitutes 'fraud,' and entitles party deceived to avoid contract or recover damages."
    Barnsdall Refining Corn. v. Birnam Wood Oil Co. 92 F 26 817.

    Since the surrender of unalienable rights must be knowing and voluntary (UCC 1-308), this part of the SS agreement is easily voidable as unconscionable and without full disclosure. You also have a contract (implied) whereby you have accepted the presumption that you want to be a debt slave, want to deal in FR debt securities, and want to loan your credit to the FR. This presumption is rebutted by your demand for lawful money. Since lawful money discharges all debt (12 USC 95 a(2)), your demand basically redeems all prior FRN debt liens against your estate. If there are any residual debts on your account, they are the personal liability of the Trustee, the Secretary of Treasury. You have no interest in whether the Trustee sorts those out, as they do not pertain to you; you have no obligation to support the federal debt, once you sever your contract with the Federal Reserve and quit using their debt notes.

    Thus if officers of the municipal court charge your PERSON with a violation of some legality (municipal code), you simply ask them to produce the contract which binds you to obey these codes. Without any such contract, you are bound only by common law, under which there must be an injured party for the basis of an action, and the state cannot be an injured party within an action adjudicated in their own court (conflict of interest, maybe?). So municipal courts have no jurisdiction over your PERSON without contract. Municipal courts never had jurisdiction over you the natural man, as the court is a corporation, thus it can only deal with other corporate entities. Only a jury of other men can have jurisdiction over you the natural man.

    I was thinking along the lines of operating an agency franchise foreign to my state, like driving. That's what the driver license is for - operators are consenting to service of process because they are entities foreign to the states.

    What I - and probably everyone here - would like to see is a comprehensive program or strategy that would keep people from being harassed by contract enforcement officers.

  4. #44
    Freed, I surely agree with Robert Henry & others saying "Thanks". Really helped me begin to get a more useful grasp on the matter.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Alan View Post
    I was thinking along the lines of operating an agency franchise foreign to my state, like driving. That's what the driver license is for - operators are consenting to service of process because they are entities foreign to the states.

    What I - and probably everyone here - would like to see is a comprehensive program or strategy that would keep people from being harassed by contract enforcement officers.
    I think we should be keeping an eye on how this goes.

    South Carolina State Rep Tom Davis is the bill’s sponsor, and in justifying his legislation he twice quoted from the Mack/Printz v. US case, saying that the States are not “political subdivisions of the Federal Government” and that the feds cannot “compel the states to enforce federal laws.”
    Sheriffs office is not so bad after all.

    Now as states wake up to their true power and responsibility, we have SC taking exemplary action to protect their citizens from an out of control federal government.

    Bill 3101 - South Carolina Legislature Online - Bill Search by Bill Number

    Whereas, the people of the several states comprising the United States of America created the federal government to be their agent for certain enumerated purposes, and nothing more; and
    Last edited by Chex; 01-12-14 at 04:58 PM.

  6. #46
    Q: After demand for lawful money has been made, can one withdraw however much they want from their ATM now? If not, why is it that banks put daily limits on how much one can take out? What's the reason for that?

  7. #47
    The banks are for-profit corporations. They set up their rules for their convenience. ATM's are convenient for you, less convenient for them if you come by and remove all the currency; the next customer will complain that their services are inadequate, and the bank will have to increase their servicing of the machines and increase the charges for their use. If you want moar currency, you have to go to a branch service counter. Since lawful money trades at parity with FRN's in the paper note form, the demand is not very relevant to the use of paper currency. Its value is in refusing to endorse credit, the use of which the IRS will want to charge a tax on. No tax attaches to the use of paper currency. But if you deposit cash with the bank, they will report it as income and the IRS will want to tax it. And if you withdraw over $10,000, the bank has to file paperwork with the Fed, who will report you to the NSA as a suspected drug dealer, and they will tip off the local cops who will try to confiscate it...


  8. #48
    Allow me to clear up some errors in the segment Keith quoted me on above. The SC quote from Rodriguez v Donovan is suspect, and I have not been able to find the original ruling. Also, The Social Security # is evidence of your voluntary acceptance of socialist/debt slave status. If you have a SS#, then you have a NAME. The NAME is not a trust, it is a limited liability corporation, chartered inside the SS trust. It is owned by the state/federal government jointly. The status of the NAME is that of a slave or serf; it has only the right of naked use of assets within the SS trust. And it has surrendered all Constitutional rights. So if you are using the NAME, you are assumed to be a slave, without Constitutional rights, and you will have to defend your rights quickly and correctly, or you will be railroaded fast in a kangaroo court. The acceptance of a drivers license will be one of the most obvious contracts you will have to defend, as it is issued in your NAME, and the state demanded proof that you were a US citizen before they issued it, so you stand a much better chance of beating an alleged 'violation' of municipal law if you don't have a drivers license. But there are lots of adhesion contracts that must be rebutted, and the process is convoluted and pervasive. The interested reader is directed to these web sites: (check out Mercier's Invisible Contracts); (there are several days worth of material here which will help you understand how the corporate government has tried to eliminate the Constitution).

    As to my previous statement that the demand for lawful money redeems your estate out of the SS usufruct trust, the demand by itself does not accomplish that. Assets held in the NAME are owned by the government. Buying assets with lawful money and putting them into the NAME still makes them a gift to the government. But serving your demand on the bank takes your income out of the jurisdiction of Title 26, so eliminates the obligation to file a tax return. This is a two-part issue: by being a slave, property of the government, you use the NAME to set up your employment agreement (your 'employer' pays you under the NAME). And you filed a W-4 stating that you are a US citizen. The NAME, SS#, and W-4 all confirm that you want the government to tax your income, you agree that you are a 'taxpayer' (voluntary) under Title 26, and you authorize your 'employer' to withhold income taxes. You are obligated to file a return. When you make a demand for lawful money and serve it on the bank, you have not changed your taxpayer status, you have just elected to deal only in non-taxable money. Thus your 'reportable income' goes to zero, and you do not meet the requirement of a minimum income for which a return must be filed. But this bank account will work against you in traffic court, as it confirms that you are still owned by the government (voluntarily, of course). The presumption that you are a US citizen is pervasive. You have to stop using the NAME and the SS# everywhere, start identifying yourself as a non-resident alien, an American Citizen (We, the People). You have American Citizenship by birth and parentage, and citizenship is a First Amendment right, so you can start being a Citizen whenever you want to. The corporation that runs the Federal government does not want any slaves slipping off the plantation, so they use multiple adhesion contracts. For example, the IRS claims that if you receive mail at an address that includes a ZIP (Zone Improvement Program) code, this is proof that you are a resident of a federal zone. The federal zone is now an accepted term in the courts, and describes that overlay of legal jurisdiction which the corporate government claims now extends over the entire land mass of America. For tax purposes, the IRS now claims that that jurisdiction extends over the entire physical world, that US citizens are taxable everywhere on the planet. Once you start down this rabbit hole, you will see that the bankers intend to enslave the entire world with their trusts, contracts, and debt. Their mission is to eliminate individual rights, Constitutions, and republic forms of government, thus ending the concept that 'the People' are sovereign. Greed gone wild. This will not end well...


  9. #49
    Over the last two weeks I've experienced a major realization: I really don't care what the people who operate the various governments think about THE NAME. I know how to "turn it off," so to speak. I understand that sometimes people want me to use it with the number, and if it's advantageous , I do it. Same with citizenship - if I need it, I use it.

    At the end of the day, I see the issue as a mental health problem; my neighbors are deluded. There's also the possibility that I am too.

    So far I've refrained from turning off the legal person, because there are people in my life depending on me, and I'm not sure I can operate efficiently without disrupting their lives in a negative way.

    I want to say 'thank you' to David Merril for showing me the difference between the True Name and THE LEGAL NAME. I am holding a driver's license that shows THE LEGAL NAME being operated by a man with a True Name.

    Since I took that step, the true nature of my relationship between my neighbors and I keeps becoming more clear in my mind. I now know with certainty that if needed, I can completely sever all ties with them very easily, and emerge quite unscathed from suffering the brunt of their delusions.

    I agree with you, Freed, the bankers' end game is evil and despotic. But the greater crime is the fear and anxiety that our neighbors are enduring on a daily basis. It's criminal because they're doing it to themselves. I know this is true because it was true - and still is, to a lesser degree - in my personal experience.

    But you made the comment that, "this won't end well. " I think it does end well. All of this is necessary in order for people to discover their true worth.

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