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    The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury

    YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW!

    The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury, acknowledged in the 5th Amendment, is now being reconstituted in all 3141 counties in America to redress wrongs perpetrated upon the people via “legalized plunder” by the other 3 Branches of government, locally and nationally.

    Watch the "The Power of the Grand Jury" video at nationallibertyalliance.org to get a basic overview.

    Then register on the site to become a Jurist. Only the People can restore the American Republic and the vision of our Founders and Framers and stop the “legalized plunder” (The Law by Frederic Bastiat) that has come to America.

    This effort is connected to preserving the "Saving to Suitors" common law remedy.

    If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.
    http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...orth-Carolina/


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    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
    YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW! If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...orth-Carolina/
    In the common law, a grand jury is a type of jury that determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Grand juries carry out this duty by examining evidence presented to them by a prosecutor and issuing indictments, or by investigating alleged crimes and issuing presentments. A grand jury is traditionally larger than and distinguishable from a petit jury, which is used during a trial. http://commonlawgrandjury.com/legal/...Grand-Jury.pdf

    @ Doug555, Here http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/olmbr.aspx might be a guest list for Buncombe County Representation whereas Douglas Stehling http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...ers/124748382/ might be one to invite along with some other Buncombe County Representation http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...ounty=Buncombe

    This guy too Representative Tim D. Moffitt (Rep) of 3182 Sweeten Creek Rd., Asheville, NC 28803 of http://www.emoffitt.com/

    From the renovation of The Statue of Liberty to leading legal firms and multi-family construction projects, Moffitt has helped hundreds of companies find thousands of qualified candidates for hard to fill positions
    Tim likes to introduce bills http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...=623&Chamber=H probably learned it from this:

    Laws begin as ideas. These ideas may come from a Representative—or from a citizen like you. Citizens who have ideas for laws can contact their Representatives to discuss their ideas. If the Representatives agree, they research the ideas and write them into bills. http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-sc....html?intID=17

    Section 7.
    All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
    Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law.

    But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

    Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...iclei#section7
    Another invite might be Susan Fisher. http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/ About Susan, Representative Susan Fisher has spent her life serving the public. She has represented the people of NC House District 114 since 2003, and has a strong record on issues that matter to her constituents: jobs and the economy, education, protecting our environment, and promoting civil rights for all people. To view Representative Fisher’s record in the House, service on committees, and legislation introduced and sponsored http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/?page_id=12

    Representative Susan Fisher is a strong and effective leader in the North Carolina House, standing up for the things that matter to people in her district: working to get our economy back on track with good jobs for working families, protecting education as the key to our economic future, cleaning up our environment, and advocating civil rights for all people.

    She has as a website on Manta http://www.manta.com/c/mry3dzj/elect...isher-democrat I found her from here http://buncombedems.org/elected-officials/

    She is also on the Standing Committee Assignments, 2013-2014 Session http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...=463&Chamber=H in banking.

    I hope that everything goes right and the questions you ask get answered. Hopefully you can post some video of the meeting.
    Last edited by Chex; 01-21-14 at 04:46 PM. Reason: more info

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    Here's a great article on Grand juries. http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm

    Edit -- "In 1906 the United States Supreme Court dealt with the question of whether grand juries could be restricted from straying into investigations of issues not formally presented to them by prosecutors.See*Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1916). The Court held that it was "entirely clear . . . under the practice in this country," that grand jurors may proceed upon either their own knowledge or upon the examination of witnesses brought before them, "to inquire for themselves whether a crime cognizable in the court has been committed."*Hale, 201 U.S. at 65. Thus, in some respects, the "runaway" grand jury, though not given such a name at the time, has been upheld by the nation's highest court. It is therefore debatable whether the modern Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which have limited federal grand jury action since 1946, are constitutional.*See infra*notes 87-128 and accompanying text (discussing the constitutionality of Rules 6);*See also*FRANKEL & NAFTALIS,*supranote 12, at 111 (mentioning that Rule 6's language "sounds like an inescapable and unambiguous barrier to the grand jury's proceeding without an attorney. . . . [b]ut people learned in the law have seen means of escaping and possibly overriding barriers that appear insurmountable at first. While the barriers here still stand, the debate may not be over.")."
    Last edited by Keith Alan; 01-21-14 at 05:12 PM. Reason: adding an excerpt

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    Anthony Joseph
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    while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

    look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

    http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...20Warranto.pdf

    how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

    now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

    http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...n%20county.pdf

    do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?

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    The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control. This does not mean that such citizen directed grand juries lack standing, it merely means that they lack the cooperation of the same people they are trying to indict. The problem there is the same one faced by anyone who has tried to get justice served through the current US Attorney General Holder. When an organized gang decides to support and commit major crimes on a grand scale, they first capture the systems designed to control and regulate those activities. Then they can decide, using the official channels intended for such prosecutions, not to prosecute. This is representative government, but captured by thugs. It is still representative government, it just does not represent 'the people,' now it represents 'the cronies.'

    Freed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freed Gerdes View Post
    The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control.

    No doubt about that.

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    Basically Judge A. Gail Prudenti is saying

    Reject requests to file documents that attempt to establish common-law grand juries - Judge A. Gail Prudenti .
    of 45 Monroe Place Brooklyn, NY 11201 (t) (718) 772-6400 (f) (718) 855-2884 a Republican appointed by Governor George E. Pataki, Acting Justice of the New York Supreme Court from 1996 to 2000 and Surrogate Court Judge in Suffolk County from 1995 to 2000 who sat on the New York Supreme Court Tenth Judicial District from 1992 to 1994 who was in private practice from 1982 to 1991where she specialized in trusts and estates and special counsel to the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association's Widows and Orphans Fund and acting as a Chief Administrative Judge of the Courts of New York State just told all the people of New York to go screw themselves because the savings to suitors clause is a right under the federal law which allows a party to pursue a remedy for a maritime claim in a state court when entitled to such remedy don’t work in my courtroom and either does common-law so go jump off the Brooklyn bridge.

    Where is her and Michelle Carroll chief clerk oath of office? I am interested what it has to say.

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    Anthony Joseph
    Guest
    perhaps you are missing the point(s):

    1) someone requesting of someone else to do something without being able to convey a singular jurisdiction is someone who cannot receive what is being requested
    2) did anyone request anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

    look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

    http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...20Warranto.pdf

    how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

    now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

    http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...n%20county.pdf

    do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?
    Very good point... It must be made clear that the citing of their rules is for their benefit only. Their rules may acknowledge the Grand Jury, but they certainly don't authorize it. That authority goes way back in time before the US existed, even to Deuteronomy.

    So the clerk's reply is therefore logical. The Grand Jury's paperwork should not be in "their" system. But then again, is it "their" system if it is receiving funding from the "people"?

    Is the courthouse "their" building, or does it belong to the people, the public?

    Karl holds his court at the public building.

    The issue of private vs public comes in here.

    This is an important issue and distinction.

    But perhaps it is "their" building, if all the funds used to build it were FRN's!

    Does this mean that the Grand Jury and all Jurists in the jury pool must FIRST be on record as demanding lawful money for all transactions BEFORE they can truly claim to be "separate" as the Fourth Branch of the government????

    Wow! Perhaps David and MJ need to have a heart to heart talk with John Darash ASAP?!
    Last edited by doug555; 01-22-14 at 12:05 AM.

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    Anthony Joseph
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    i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

    the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

    therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

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