The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury

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i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

Posted on June 22, 2007.

Rensselaer County Legislator Kevin Harrington, a Democrat, wants to see a special prosecutor look into whether time sheets at the county dispatch center were falsified.

Harrington’s comments come after District Attorney Patricia DeAngelis, a Republican, closed the investigation when Dean Myer, a dispatcher, refused to waive his immunity when he testified before the grand jury.

Myer claimed that supervisors in the dispatch center falsified their time sheets.

Myer wouldn’t waive his immunity and DeAngelis closed the case.

“It is incomprehensible that the DA would demand that a whistle blower sign away his immunity from prosecution before testifying before a grand jury.

A cooperating witness is normally encouraged to testify and, under state law, has automatic immunity,” stated Harrington, a member of the Legislature’s Public Safety & Judiciary Committee, in a release today.

“I can only conclude that the DA did this deliberately and has no intention of allowing potentially damaging sworn testimony to be heard by the grand jury. I, therefore, believe that a special District Attorney should be impaneled to review this case and permit the testimony of the whistle blower with the same procedural immunity of any grand jury witness.

Once given, let the grand jury weigh the credibility of the testimony and act according,” Harrington continued. http://blog.timesunion.com/localpoli...ecutor-needed/

A grand jury in North Carolina Tuesday declined to indict a Charlotte police officer for voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of an unarmed man this past September. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/22...g-unarmed-man/ typical grand jury has 18 members.

IC 35-34-2-2
Number; impaneling; scope of function and authority; convening
Sec. 2. (a) A grand jury shall consist of six (6) grand jurors and one (1) alternate and may be impaneled by the circuit court or a superior court with criminal jurisdiction. A grand jury shall hear and examine evidence concerning crimes and shall take action with respect to this evidence as provided by law. (b) The court shall call the grand jury into session at the request of the prosecuting attorney.

Grand Jury California is served by a grand jury system that provides a grand jury in each county empowered by law to bring indictments or perform an oversight function into the operation of county and municipal governments. Federal grand juries and county grand juries in most other states are concerned only with criminal indictments and have no civil responsibilities. http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/g...randjury.shtml


Grand juries shall consist of fifteen persons who satisfy the qualifications of a juror specified in section 2313.17 of the Revised Code. Persons to serve as grand jurors in the court of common pleas of each county shall be selected from the persons whose names are contained in the annual jury list . http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2939

A grand jury consists of 12 or 23 members in addition to four alternates. At any meeting of a grand jury at least nine grand jurors constitutes a quorum. (CRS 13-72-102). http://www.courts.state.co.us/Media/...and_juries.pdf

The United States is the only common law jurisdiction in the world that continues to use the grand jury to screen criminal indictments. Generally speaking, a grand jury may issue an indictment for a crime, also known as a "true bill," only if it finds based upon the evidence that has been presented to it that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed by a criminal suspect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_j..._United_States

Paul Boyden, a member of the Statewide Association of Prosecutors, said that Utah law currently gives no clear standards for judges to apply when trying to determine if a grand jury is the appropriate course of action. In addition, there’s no outlet for prosecutors to appeal to if the judges deny a request for a grand jury hearing. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57...state.html.csp

Traditionally, grand juries served as a shield between unjust prosecution by the state and the individual. Grand juries serve dual functions. The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual. 1 To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers. 2 In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given. 3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information"). 4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials. http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/...4!OpenDocument

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Thursday, January 23, 2014 If Congress really wants fewer problems at the IRS, there's plenty it can do — starting by looking in the mirror.

That's right. In a dubious effort to punish the IRS, Congress gave it $11.3 billion in this year's catch-all spending bill, the agency's lowest allocation since it got $11.1 billion in 2008. Though the IRS has more work, more taxpayers and a more complex tax code to administer, Congress has carved almost $1 billion out of the agency's budget in the past four years. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/4785639/

Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGiz...e&noredirect=1 Flat tax on sales tax maybe but income is another story.

Nonetheless, we need the IRS to enforce tax laws, { Start with congressional laws} stop and prevent fraud, {start obeying the laws} prepare forms and instructions, process refunds, collect revenue and assist taxpayers in complying with tax obligations. U.S. Representative Ander Crenshaw from Florida's 4th district, Republican party. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/4785059/

THe evidence I have that proves that Name is not mine but I am a MERE USER of said property begins with the BC. The BC certificate I requested had a letter sent that stated BC FOR JOHN SMITH. No where on that BC is MY signature. It has a state seal signed by an official trustee for the state. It is a certified COPY where the state retains the original document - held in trust where the state receives benefit. I, a man can not have that original document. PERIOD. If I were the owner of MY PROPERTY NAME, then the state must turn that document over to me. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...2733#post12733

you have these tools (person, SSN, BC, Last Name, etc.) at your disposal if you choose to use them

no one else has a right to use these tools, created for your specific use, as you would, when and if you choose to use them

these 'things' are your property

no one else has a right to administer or take your property without your consent
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post12733


a claim can only be made in living voice by man

one who makes said claim is fully liable for it

a false claim is one which is pursued with full knowledge that no harm or injury is done to a man - non-verifiable

a man can only harm another man

nothing in the 2nd dimension can be harmed

nothing in the second dimension can make a claim

common law is the supreme law of the land

common law requires that there must be a wrong of harm, injury or breach done by one man against another for a true and proper claim to exist

a man requires (demands by authority and by right) a proper claim brought in common law so he may settle and make restitution to the man aggrieved, if the claim be true

if no agreement can be made, the controversy will be heard and judged by a jury of 24 people who are God's representatives on earth

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post12680

[Anthony Joseph]

you're confusing property with ownership

you're confusing your name with a piece of paper

by the way; what happens when one demands the original live birth record, or whatever "original" birth document someone seeks out, that is being "held in trust"?

usual response: "we need a court order to release that document"

there is your answer

[David Merrill]

Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order? [Pun intended.]

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Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order?

Then its time to get that court order.

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you're confusing property with ownership, you're confusing your name with a piece of paper there is your answer

Your right AJ because the property is in my name I don't own it, OK get that court order.

It’s the NATURE OF OBLIGATION; REDEMPTION.

[Anthony Joseph]

if you seek out another court for said order, you already lost

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if you seek out another court for said order, you already lost

I don't own it, I already lost, Ok.

[Anthony Joseph]

both your points are true

[doug555]

Then its time to get that court order.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...ine-grand-jury

And it is also time to get the "Common Law Grand Jury" pool out of the FED so they can truly be neutral jurists, that is, not "controllable/liable/compromised" by having a conflict of interest by being in implied contract with the FED via FRN Usage.

And judging by the urgency of this article and title of this new book, it is time to do it RIGHT NOW!

This new "free" jury pool could really benefit from this group here, and from http://www.lawfulmoneytrust.com/