Who is off the taxpaying hook?

[shikamaru]

if one requires a verifiable claim of a debt due, on the record under oath or affirmation, then said presumptions can just be mistakes requiring correction

Uncle Sam wants the filer to verify the debt via a tax form .

The filer affirms the debt via their signature ... under penalty of course.

[Anthony Joseph]

correct, only a man or woman can verify a debt; why not require the 'IRS' notice/letter writer to do so?

[Chex]

If you bank at HSBC in England, ( no NOT just England, have a friend that happened to him in the united states) don’t plan on making any large cash withdrawals.

At least not without a good explanation. Or, maybe even a permission slip.

Prove it: Bank blocking some customers from making large withdrawals without ‘evidence’ of spending need. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...222425920.html

Started to read the replies like this

This happened to me in Buffalo NY at HSBC and at First Niagara. I had to withdraw 18,000 dollars in cash to pay for a home I bought at auction. We all know auctions are cash only, no checks or credit cards. They refused to give me my own money. so I did what any rational person would do. I asked for my account to be closed and for them to provide me with a cashiers check for my money. They then wanted to give me my withdrawal. But too late. I was already #$%$. I walked out the bank with my entire account balance of over 109,990 dollars in savings and also closed out all cd's and other financial products. When they ask you why you need your money, tell them to mind their own effin business and stick to banking, leave financial literacy to the consumer.

The best one is from Patrick the most replied one saying The nerve of these customers. You'd think it was their money. then the commemts

[bobbinville]

Some years ago, my wife wanted to get several thousand dollars out of our then-bank for various reasons, and she wanted the money in the form of bank checks. The bank wanted to sock her with a fee for each check (fees are the prime reason why we no longer bank there); so my wife said "fine. I'll take the money in cash." A little while later, she had her checks. The reason, apparently, is that the bank needed a certain amount of cash on hand to meet the needs of its customers; and if a large amount is needed, the bank will ask for sufficient time to assemble the necessary cash. I suspect that this might have been one of the factors on why Chex had such a hard time (another, especially for older people, is that the bank might be trying to protect them against a scam like the 4-1-9 scam.

This is why I avoid large banks like the plague -- they "fee" you to death. I bank at a three-branch bank where everyone knows you; and while it is less convenient than the Takeit Bank or the Leaveit Bank, I'm much happier there.

I do agree that, if Chex didn't want to disclose the reason for wanting the $18,000, the bank had no business for demanding it.

[JohnnyCash]

Let me guess, Pottapaug. Was it Fleet Bank (aka Fleece Bank)?

[shikamaru]

If you bank at HSBC in England, ( no NOT just England, have a friend that happened to him in the united states) don’t plan on making any large cash withdrawals.

At least not without a good explanation. Or, maybe even a permission slip.

Prove it: Bank blocking some customers from making large withdrawals without ‘evidence’ of spending need. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...222425920.html

Started to read the replies like this

This happened to me in Buffalo NY at HSBC and at First Niagara. I had to withdraw 18,000 dollars in cash to pay for a home I bought at auction. We all know auctions are cash only, no checks or credit cards. They refused to give me my own money. so I did what any rational person would do. I asked for my account to be closed and for them to provide me with a cashiers check for my money. They then wanted to give me my withdrawal. But too late. I was already #$%$. I walked out the bank with my entire account balance of over 109,990 dollars in savings and also closed out all cd's and other financial products. When they ask you why you need your money, tell them to mind their own effin business and stick to banking, leave financial literacy to the consumer.

The best one is from Patrick the most replied one saying The nerve of these customers. You'd think it was their money. then the commemts

Your money in someone else's vault isn't your money .

This is why one practices private banking .

[John Howard]

For those of you who only have false witness borne against you in the form of 1099s, the presumption that you engaged in a taxable activity is not nearly as strong as in the case of us "wage"-slaves who get a W-2. I recently was visited by a pair of goons from our favorite agency who told me that my filings made no sense and that if you work for someone else and get paid for it you owe a tax on that. Forget CtC, forget demanding lawful money, forget True Name DBA FIRST M LAST. Yeah, they wish. For the first, second, and (soon to be third) time my returns were accepted as filed, with the nominal refund applied to theft debts for previous years.

[John Howard]

It is important to understand the difference between taxation and theft. Taxation is allowed by law, whereas theft is not. Knowledge of the truth cuts theft revenue, not tax revenue.

[Michael Joseph]

It is important to understand the difference between taxation and theft. Taxation is allowed by law, whereas theft is not. Knowledge of the truth cuts theft revenue, not tax revenue.

Look up the Feudal system. Specifically look for Villein.

[doug555]

Look up the Feudal system. Specifically look for Villein.

http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...read/41460432/

An excerpt from above post re: sovereignty of the people:

It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere. That system contemplates him as being the fountain of honor and authority, and from his grace and grant derives all franchises, immunities and privileges; it is easy to perceive that such a sovereign could not be amenable to a court of justice, or subjected to judicial controul and actual constraint. It was of necessity, therefore, that suability became incompatible with such sovereignty. Besides, the Prince having all the Executive powers, the judgment of the courts would, in fact, be only monitory, not mandatory to him, and a capacity to be advised is a distinct thing from a capacity to be sued. The same feudal ideas run through all their jurisprudence, and constantly remind us of the distinction between the Prince and the subject. No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African slaves among us may be so called), and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty.

I am posting this in response to MJ's mention of "Feudal system" and "Villein"... and USSC Chief Justice John Jay's statement in 1793 that the American Revolution supplanted the system of slaves (villein) being property of the lord of the manor (feud).

Also notice definition in Black's 4th for "feudal": Pertaining to feuds or fees.

Putting these cites together, perhaps taxation (FRN usage fees) is the merely the symptom of the bigger issue of the loss of the sovereignty of the people gained initially by the American Revolution in 1776?

Frederic Bastiat's essay entitled "The Law" shows how all governments gradually degenerate into "legalized plunder" (theft) over time...

The remedy always lies with the common people resuming their duty to "watch the watchers", which in this country, devolves upon the Common Law Grand Jury operating as the 4th Branch of government.