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Thread: Citizenship defined lost in translation.

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Chex View Post

    Who gave them authority over your property is 1 unanswered question? I like persons names with faces.
    2nd who gave anyone authority over you? Pessimism.

    Irs tries their self-made remedy for that, that corporation does not make law.

    Jurisdiction over citizenship via birth within the several States was simply an exercise of a States "numerous and indefinite" powers.

    Early acts of Naturalization recognized the individual State Legislatures as the only authority who could make anyone a citizen of a State.

    Framer James Wilson said, "a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union."

    These citizens of each State were united together through Article IV, Sec. II of the U.S. Constitution, and thus, no act of Congress was required to make citizens of the individual States citizens of the United States.


    Read more here
    This has changed due to:

    a) the Civil War
    b) 14th Amendment

    Prior to the Civil War what you stated above was the case.

    A night and day difference between Scott v. Sandford (1856) and the Slaugher-House cases (1873).

  2. #22
    Place (public) of birth -> locus celebrationis. Intrinsic allegiance of a "creature of State"? If you are "First Middle Last" you might be a creature of a State. Consider the following:

    It is irrefutably impossible for I, ....., to have become by birth subject to the State of ....
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  3. #23
    I posted this in another thread, but it fits in nicely here as well. Anyone with a Social Security Card is considered "Federal Personnel":

    5 USC ? 552a - Records maintained on individuals
    (a) Definitions.


    (13) the term ?Federal personnel? means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

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