Citizenship defined lost in translation.

[shikamaru]

The birth certificate serves to incorporate the child into the body corporate of the United States and of the State.
The body politic would be the legislature, judiciary, and executive branches of government.

The body corporate and body politic together is government. Government would not be much without subjects whether persons or property to govern .

The birth certificate is evidence of citizenship.

I had a nice thread at ol' SJC2 on my theory titled "Incorporation Theory". A person can be brought into a body through some formal method such as a ceremony or document. A person can be invested (robed) with a quality.

I need to make a short treatise out of it sometime.

This "Incorporation Theory" came to me from book titled, "The King's Two Bodies". The King was obviously a physical human being, but was also vested (robed) with the powers of Sovereignty and Kingship as well as being the body politic of the nation. The subjects form the body corporate.

Another subject worthy of deeper study is 'investiture'.

[motla68]

The birth certificate serves to incorporate the child into the body corporate of the United States and of the State.
The body politic would be the legislature, judiciary, and executive branches of government.

The body corporate and body politic together is government. Government would not be much without subjects whether persons or property to govern .

The birth certificate is evidence of citizenship.

I had a nice thread at ol' SJC2 on my theory titled "Incorporation Theory". A person can be brought into a body through some formal method such as a ceremony or document. A person can be invested (robed) with a quality.

I need to make a short treatise out of it sometime.

This "Incorporation Theory" came to me from book titled, "The King's Two Bodies". The King was obviously a physical human being, but was also vested (robed) with the powers of Sovereignty and Kingship as well as being the body politic of the nation. The subjects form the body corporate.

Another subject worthy of deeper study is 'investiture'.

Through my research and study the past couple of years I have found this to be nothing but patriot banter with no backing. Nowhere on the COLB or BC does it say anything about citizenship. A couple court cases have shown that the COLB/BC was not to be used for identification purposes, yet we did it anyway by going out and getting social security cards,
voters cards and drivers license, this is when we have put are mark on a document under penalties of purjury that the " name " on that original document was a U.S. Person.
We basically testified against the name which we were not to do and this is what the moo ha is about when people talk about enslavement,
look in the mirror, we did it to ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTckFl0jPN8

[shikamaru]

Through my research and study the past couple of years I have found this to be nothing but patriot banter with no backing. Nowhere on the COLB or BC does it say anything about citizenship.

Your research on this point is flawed. No disrespect to you as a being.

This has nothing to do with patriot banter and everything to do with public corporate customs, historical law, and jurisprudence.

How about we take it straight from the horses mouth: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00b92ca60aRCRD

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship. Other official documents can be used, as described below.

Are you a citizen born in the United States?

Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. If you need a copy of your birth certificate, contact the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State in which you were born. We do not issue any kind of citizenship document to a person who is a citizen by birth in the United States.

There are court cases affirming and reiterating my point above, but it is overkill at this point.

A couple court cases have shown that the COLB/BC was not to be used for identification purposes, ...

My point spoke upon citizenship as well as alluding to a purpose of the birth certificate.

yet we did it anyway by going out and getting social security cards,
voters cards and drivers license, this is when we have put are mark on a document under penalties of purjury that the " name " on that original document was a U.S. Person.
We basically testified against the name which we were not to do and this is what the moo ha is about when people talk about enslavement,
look in the mirror, we did it to ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTckFl0jPN8

I do agree with you that people do much to enslave themselves by their own hand and mouth as anything.

Perhaps you would like to reconsider the "Incorporation Theory"?

Allow me to restate that the birth certificate takes a human baby child into a political society and its resultant body corporate.

In this case, there are two political societies we are speaking upon: these United States as well as the several (individual) states (nations).
We should review such terms of body politic, body corporate, and incorporate.

Certificates, licenses, permits, identification, and the like all have to do with the law of evidence as well.

[motla68]

Your research on this point is flawed. No disrespect to you as a being.

How about we take it straight from the horses mouth: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00b92ca60aRCRD



There are court cases affirming and reiterating my point above, but it is overkill at this point.



My point spoke upon citizenship as well as alluding to a purpose of the birth certificate.



I do agree with you that people do much to enslave themselves by their own hand and mouth as anything.

Perhaps you would like to reconsider the "Incorporation Theory"?

Allow me to restate that the birth certificate takes a human baby child into a political society, a body corporate.

In this case, there are two political societies we are speaking upon: these United States as well as the several (individual) states (nations).
We should review such terms of body politic, body corporate, and incorporate as well.

Certificates, licenses, permits, identification, and the like all have to do with the law of evidence as well.

Thanks for such a quick response and explanation.

What you have shown me here though is Public opinion, not the law. We both should know by now even the IRS prints out brochures and other such notices which are taken out of context and do not show the law in it's entirety which is an intentional bias I believe. Through an employer I worked for had spoken to their corporate attorney, after explaining some of my positions to exemptions of withholding and what I just mentioned. He said that he understood and agreed with my position, but warned me the powers that be might not like it. This was labelled as a "non-exempt" position when I applied, I made some statements on the paperwork which triggered HR to contact me and I immediately asked to speak with their corporate attorney.
I worked their 6 years and most of the withholding was exempted the entire time. The only thing taken out was medicare in which he showed me the statute that said they had to take it out,
not even state taxes were taken out.
If that is not right from the horses mouth, not sure what is, however this conversation was not recorded, all I can do is when I get something worked out for a scanner then I will post up the paystub so you can see it for yourself.

[shikamaru]

What you have shown me here though is Public opinion, not the law. We both should know by now even the IRS prints out brochures and other such notices which are taken out of context and do not show the law in it's entirety which is an intentional bias I believe.

This is a partial error.

There are three aspects of "law" if you will: written, spoken, and enforced. The aforementioned is courtesy of Lord Edward Coke.
I did stipulate that there are court cases affirming what I have just given you. These court cases (case "law") serve as the "spoken" form of law.

There are other government websites stipulating the same conclusion: that a birth certificate serves as PROOF of citizenship. If requested, I will dig for those court cases.
There is a strong administrative law aspect to all of this.

The concept of identification will parallel and run through birth certificates as well.

Perhaps it would help to give my perspective on how I research?

[motla68]

This is a partial error.

There are three aspects of "law" if you will: written, spoken, and enforced. The aforementioned is courtesy of Lord Edward Coke.
I did stipulate that there are court cases affirming what I have just given you. These court cases (case "law") serve as the "spoken" form of law.

There are other government websites stipulating the same conclusion: that a birth certificate serves as PROOF of citizenship. If requested, I will dig for those court cases.
There is a strong administrative law aspect to all of this.

The concept of identification will parallel and run through birth certificates as well.

Perhaps it would help to give my perspective on how I research?

I do admit in backing up your previous statement about the matrimony part I can see your point though:

HEIR. "One born in lawful matrimony"
- 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

What makes it lawful? Because of the "unilateral agreement" between parent-persons and state-persons or even recording in the bible between the parents because you only need 2 or more witnesses correct?
Never the less it is a recorded event in which a piece of paper describes a baby, but we are no longer babies, have we not grown into adults capable of accepting the position as Son and Heir?

[shikamaru]

I do admit in backing up your previous statement about the matrimony part I can see your point though:

HEIR. "One born in lawful matrimony"
- 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

I made no statements concerning matrimony, however there are important connections between marriage and the State particularly for those who have availed themselves of a marriage license.

What makes it lawful? Because of the "unilateral agreement" between parent-persons and state-persons or even recording in the bible between the parents because you only need 2 or more witnesses correct?
Never the less it is a recorded event in which a piece of paper describes a baby, but we are no longer babies, have we not grown into adults capable of accepting the position as Son and Heir?

There are many definitions concerning the term law. So the question, "What is law?" is an excellent question although a deep and complicated one.

One definition that I like is that the Sovereign is not subject to the law, but is the author and source of it.
Law, in one sense, is will. Will of the political power holder. In most countries, this political power holder will take the form of a monarchy. In others, it will be a republic of one form or another.
Law, in another definition, is a rule with a penalty.

Both Lord Edward Coke and Lord William Blackstone have excellent writings concerning their opinion on Law and English Common Law.

In a completely different context, you are correct. Law can be an agreement between parties.
There is the maxim, "Contract makes the law ...."
The above is why the freedom to contract is a most dangerous freedom in deed. Powerful enough to make a servant out of a freeman. This happens everyday for most with employment, applications, licenses, permits, and more.